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headquarters here in. new york welcome everybody to alex witt reports. this, our new insights today into the future of the january six committee's investigations into the attack on the capitol. committee members discussing how new evidence and witnesses keep pouring in as they push ahead two more hearings in september. earlier today, multiple committee members also discussed was missing secret service tax. and the prospect of talking to abc officials mention in cassidy hutchinson's testimony. >> the committee is more than welcome, if they will testify under oath to put the door is wide open for them. it is not a decision that they have so far. >> we have already heard

testimony from them. i expect that we will again. mr. ornado has retained private criminal defense counsel. and we have seen that, also, with respect to one other secret service agent. i think that is significant. >> meanwhile, concern is growing today of a new report detailing a radical plan for trump's second term. axios reports former president trump's top allies are preparing to reshape the federal government by purging thousands of civil servants and filling posts with loyalists to trump and his america first ideology. earlier today on msnbc, democratic congresswoman joe neguse stressing what is at stake if trump were to get back in office. >> it would erode the civil service system that has been a hallmark of federal government service literally for the better part of 100 years. eliminating the political patronage that used to exist within the federal government

centuries ago. it is deeply disconcerting. >> and americans are seeing relief at the gas pump today. the average price trending down to 14 97 which is down from last month. john kirby told the biden administration are working to get prices even lower. >> the president thinks the prices are still too high. but we believe that a lot of the actions that we have taken and opec is taken in july and august to increase supply to stabilize the market has definitely helped bring those prices down. we still need to work with refining that capacity to get those increases and that stability back down into the actual pump. >> standing by, the very latest for us, we have nbc's allie raffa at the capitol, and -- yosemite at the capitol. we are going to begin with, you ali, and january six. when is the panel still interested in uncovering after

what we thought would be its final hearing on thursday. >> it is looking more and more like this august recess is going to be very welcome except for my members of this committee. they were saying on the sunday show this morning that they are going to really tie up some of these loose ends during this month long recess before they reconvene in some temper. they said they already have interviews lined up with former president trump's members of his cabinet's, members of his campaign. they want to talk to more members of the secret service, and they say they are contemplating whether to subpoena justice clarence thomas's wife, ginni thomas, for her testimony. if he does not commit to speak with the committee voluntarily. listen to committee member adam schiff this morning. >> for clarence thomas to issue a decision in a case where congress is trying to get documents, and those documents might involve his own life, that is a law that has been

crossed. >> sounds like you are saying you favor that subpoena. >> well, if she has relevant information for the investigation, we hope she comes in voluntarily. if she doesn't, we should give that serious consideration. and yes, i think those that we decide how important information should be subpoenaed. >> we know ginni thomas was communicating with other trump allies before and on january six, like the white house chief of staff mark meadows, john eastman, about efforts to overturn the election. remember, she said she was willing to come in and speak with the committee and answer their questions voluntarily, her lawyer came out soon after and said they would need more justification, more reasoning, to be able to do that. committee members are hoping that this recent conviction by steve bannon for defying their subpoena really carries more weight now. committee member adam kinzinger

saying an nbc this morning to you cannot ignore a congressional subpoena or you will pay the price. he says that to any feature witnesses, to alex. >> ali raphael on capitol hill. thank you so much for that. joining me now is jim hines, democratic member of the house financial services and -- welcome back to the broadcast, good to see you here. following these first eight hearings, particularly these last ones, i'm curious what it has been like for you. remember how you were trapped in the house chamber during that attack. how angry, how frustrated are you, hearing that the present was sitting in front of his tv, watching and choosing to allow you and other lawmakers and police officers be attacked? >> yeah, thank you for having me alex. i wish i could tell you that i was surprised, shocked, upset. i am not. i watch donald trump as president for four. years i was intimately involved in the attempt to extort the ukrainian president, zelenskyy,

for his own political goals. so i'm not one bit surprised. i would be more surprised if he went on tv and said don't do this. because that would be act against his own interests. alex, what really hurts me no increase in mental amount of anxiety,, moorings it that i felt on january six, is the fact that these hearings have laid out a pattern of behavior that looks like a 1930's nicaraguan coup or bolivian coup. and yet, here is the hard part, the majority of my republican colleagues are not stirred to action. they are not stirred to say, let's pick another horse in the presidential election. it is a case where the majority republican, registered republicans, continue to believe without a shred of evidence that donald trump had the election stolen from him. and, alex the reason that pains me this is that all of those things, not to mention when you reported on axios, these are the way that our democracy ends. and again, all of these

hearings, have i think, change some minds. but not enough for me to feel like our democracy is safe. >> well, that is stunning to have to listen to you. i am afraid you are right right there. but let's see. they're gonna be some more hearing so we'll see how it all plays out ultimately. let's talk about the missing text messages from the secret service in the dhs, now launching that criminal probe. how serious is that? >> we need to reserve judgment until we know the facts here. i was so interested by the reporting that you just had about this plan on the part of the new trump administration. because there is a new trump administration, i've been forbid, to replace civil service with loyalists. again to our theme that this is how democracy ends. it's possible that this was a sort of standard i t think that was poorly done, and therefore there is potential to recover those tax. i will tell, you are somebody who spends day and day out with our intelligence committee, i am not sympathetic to the notion that or any tax which

are not republican recovery bill. so i'm hopeful that we will see them again. but it is also possible, i'm using language carefully here because we do not have all the facts. it is also possible that this was deliberate. if that was true, if one of the nation's federal security agencies acted politically in a way to try to obstruct an investigation, it is a little hard to explain to people how very serious that would be. again, that is probably a little hard on bolivia and nicaragua. this is what happens in russia and china. people need to, again i will say it, we don't know exactly what will happen what happened with the secret service. people need to understand the notion that when the civil service, when security professionals, are perhaps not doing their job that it is serving a political leader. then we are no longer -- >> let me just say with a flat suspect to bolivia and the rest, you did catch it 100 years ago, so there is that. to your point, does the secret service have a credibility problem now, and what kinds of implications could that have. >> i think they do.

at a minimum there are laws that require federal agencies to preserve records. you cannot just tear stuff up. in fact, one of many scandals with the trump administration was the fact that he was getting -- to take notes and throwing them away. in a democracy that relies on transparency and open communication, that is not okay. at the minimum they have a procedural problem on their hands. but, again if it turns out that the secret service people were saying we're gonna try to obstruct this investigation, it is hard to describe a very serious threat that is to our democracy. >> liz cheney said that -- is coming in september and they are certainly on the deadline to september, as the gop is threatened to disband the entire committee if the republicans win back the house. so how do you time protecting our democracy to the point you are making here, to defeating republicans in the midterms? >> it is hard. this has been going on for a long time and i know that most

americans out there are thinking about the january 6th hearings, but they are feeling the pain at the pump. think of the gas prices are coming down. there are feelings of economic uncertainty. many people are feeling the tragic loss of freedom associate with the supreme court decision on roe v. wade. so like it or not, these january six hearings will have an effect, but it is not kitchen table stuff. here's a point for my republican friends, i think adam kinzinger sure the republican made this point. i take great faith in the notion that history eventually gets it right. there are not a lot of people running around saying that richard nixon was a great man and i am delighted to support. him joe mccarthy was a great man if only he had stuck around. this is going to be true of donald trump. in my republican colleagues need to know that in need to find the courage that mr. kinzinger and miss cheney found. because our democracy is at stake. >> there is a group of senators, as you know, the denounced two proposals designed to prevent

future candidates from stealing elections. the first bill further clarifies the vice president's role in counting electoral college votes. we raises the bar for members of congress to object, it also prevents fake slates of electors for interfering. then you of a second bill, protecting election workers. how critical is passing both of these bills, and you think enough republicans are going to support it? >> well, it is absolutely critical. if you look at the big picture here, a lot of the way we used to run our government relied on traditions and norms. this idea that the vice president who was in charge of the counting of the electoral ballots could step in and stop it was not an idea that anybody ever considered before donald trump. now we are in the process of realizing that when you have somebody like donald trump who is willing to take advantage of ambiguity or tradition or norms, to try to retain power after losing an election, you had better take those norms and turn them into very precise rules, now i'm heartened to see

that there is bipartisan support for these things. and they're gonna go back to the team i have been sounding. if you don't pass something like this, it leaves the door open to donald trump, january six part two. and i do not want to see that, and i would have a guess that most americans don't either. >> right. to the tenure of things out there, on thursday republican colleague lee zeldin was attacked while campaigning for new york governor. a man wielding one appears to be a weapon appears to the stage, fortunately no one was hurt. this comes as a new you see davis survey shows the 20% of americans think that political violence is at least sometimes justifiable in general. what is your reaction to the situation? should we be ringing bigger alarm bells given the climate of violence across this country? >> let me say two things as quickly as i can. number one, violence has no place in our system, it has no place against lee zeldin,

against -- evil against democrat, a republican, anybody who is committed violence against the other side, and his, said that is not so bad. as a citizen as democracy you are required to do them. if we start to see a significant portion of the american population think that violence is okay, again i hate to keep coming back to this, but think bolivia, nicaragua, 100 years ago, this is the way the democracy ends. we need to stop with the whataboutism and be as clear as a bell that violence under any circumstances is not okay in the american political system. the other thing i need to say clearly, alex, is that we are in a world where people's very identities are wrapped up in their political beliefs. when did that happen? when did the notion that the other party is actually treasonous, evil. when you start thinking in those terms it becomes okay. because if they are the opposition you negotiate them. but if they are traitors and evil, you do not negotiate with

them. and in fact, maybe on the fringes you say, here is my opportunity to and somebody who is evil. and that we lies production. is mi gotta tell you, that last questions we have to be rhetorical, i think we can spend all day talk about what has led to that in this society. it is remarkable and awful, frankly. this conversation is great, fred, thank you for that. i look forward to seeing you again. let's go to some breaking news and a fresh update on president biden's improving condition while he's an isolation for covid. let's go to -- who's at the white house for us. good to see you on a sunday as well. what are you hearing about this today? >> the white house, just in last few hours, put out a new update about how president biden is doing as he's continuing to deal with having covid-19. the white house doctor, the president's doctor, kevin o'connor said his symptoms continue to improve significantly. his predominant symptom now is a sore throat. he went on to say that is runny nose, cough, and body acts have diminished considerably. he said the president responding to therapy is expected.

he went on to say that the president's lungs are clear, he's having no breathing problems at all. i want to also share third viewers white doctor ashish jha had to say, who is the white house covid-19 coordinator. take a listen to what he had to say this morning. >> i touch base with his team last night, that's when i got my last update. he had a good day, he works a little, rested a little, finally listening to some of us, on the advice to get some rest. as of last night, he was feeling just fine. i haven't bothered him yet this morning, we'll touch base with him in his position this morning as well. >> so, there you have it. the white house still feeling like the president will likely make a full recovery. i should also know, i talked to some white house officials at the white house today, they said the president is continuing to keep a full schedule. he's meeting with people. he may even give some speeches remotely next week. i should know that he is likely to come out of quarantine on wednesday, if he is able to test negative for the covid-19, that's the earliest he could get out, should be wednesday. if he doesn't test negative on

wednesday, at the white house will continue to keep testing him until he can come out of quarantine. >> yeah, that full five days, that's for sure. let me ask on another matter about speaker pelosi who is facing some pushback from china for her potential trip to taiwan. give me the white house reaction to this, what do you know about that? >> well, it is an interesting thing that's happening. speaker pelosi, as you noted, is planning to go to taiwan. the white house is looking at this very closely, there's some critics who say that she shouldn't be taking this trip. i want to play for our viewers what john kirby told you, of course, he's the national security council, strategic's communication director there. let's get to what he told you. >> the speaker makes their own decisions about travel. the national security establishment, as we always do, provide the speaker and her staff information, context that they used to determine how they are gonna travel, when they're gonna travel, and where they're gonna travel. this is a decision that she and her staff have to make. we're gonna respect that. we're gonna respect that

capability. >> so, there you have it. the white house really wanting to message that speaker pelosi has to have, make her own decisions and they were spectrum making around decisions. that being said, there is some controversy here. there's some reporting that china is issuing stark warnings to the united states about pelosi's trip. there's also this balancing act that needs to happen. other nations, including japan, they are at least telegraphing that if pelosi were to cancel this trip, that might be seen as a sign of weakness and not wanting to stand up for taiwan. i should also note that this underscores that president biden is stuck indoors when he wants to be out in the world, either selling his political agenda and talking about policies, but also issues of national security. he would be out on the campaign trail, or i should say out in the world next week and into the weekend. however, because he is covid-19, he stuck indoors. this really does underscore that covid-19, in some ways, has had him working from home when he really wants to be out on the road. >> yeah, i'm sure he does. well, all that reporting,

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investigation has opened a probe into the arrest of a 25-year-old black man at a home 20 miles from memphis. here is the moment police enter the dwelling as captured by a person in the home and obtained by nbc affiliate. >> stop! stop! stop! >> well, that's frightening. video recordings from inside the home, brandon calloway was beaten and shop with a taser after police tried to stop him for alleged traffic violations. according to an affidavit,

police say they initiated a traffic stop, but callaway would not pull over, so, they followed him to a home in tennessee. nbc affiliate picks up the story, we're warning, you have images are disturbing. >> eventually the pursue ended at a home on laurel drive where police say calloway ran inside. when officers concluded that calloway needed to be detained, they say he ran from them inside the house. officers say they kicked into doors, used a taser, and a baton to take him into custody. >> stop! stop resisting! stop! just a! get on the ground! get on the ground! get off of his neck! >> wow, joining me now, charles coleman, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst. so, charles, the police affidavit said callaway drove

through a stop sign, it was driving 32 in a 20 mile per hour zone, but declined pull over for the police. give me year initial reaction here. does it seem police followed appropriate protocol? >> well, alex, absolutely not. we have had these conversations on a number of different occasions about the number of different cases. what i will say now, as i said then, is that there's no amount of driving in the world, there is no excuse for a traffic stop to turn into something like this. legally, police only have two different justifications as to when and how they can enter a home of a suspect. the first one is exigent circumstances, that means they're in pursuit of someone who they believe has completed or is in the process of completing a crime. that by going into the home, they are stopping evidence from being recovered. the second is a search warrant. in this case, we know they have no search warrant. the existence or come stances excuse cannot be maintained

because it is not clear what crime it was that they believe he was in the process of committing. so, absolutely, under no circumstances can it be said that this was inappropriate use of police protocol, absolutely not, alex. >> so, what kind of legal recourse could brendan callaway pursue? >> i think there is a significant opportunity or chance that we will see a civil suit against the oakland police department because of their misconduct in this instance. any damages he sustained regarding his medical or any physical damages or injuries that he has will have to be addressed. also, the psychological damage. there is a significant amount of psychological damage that occurs with an incident like this. think about it, you're in your home, which is supposed to be a safe place. the police bargain with guns drawn, kicking the door and then physically assaulting you

because he ran a stop sign, because you ran a stop sign. there are literally tens of thousands of americans who are pulled over every day for traffic infractions. this does not happen to them. so, it's very important to understand that far beyond any of the physical trauma, which may have occurred around this incident, the psychological damage that has been done here is a measurable and this family, this individual, they all deserve rick dress. >> it must be exponentially greater than what even assist viewers are seeing. it definitely leaves a mark. it's hard to see that video. speaking of hard video to see, i want to turn now to the viral video that shows two young black girls apparently snubbed by rosita, a sesame place character. the theme park at first said the performers no gesture was not directed at the girls. but after facing intense backlash, the park has raised

in additional statement on thursday, now apologizing to the family and explaining that theme park employees will undergo bias training. so, the attorney, charles, for the family, tells msnbc the family is not filing a lawsuit, but they're seeking more from sesame place. take a look at this. >> there are several different demands that we made. number one, we called for the immediate termination of that individual. there is no room, there has to be a no tolerance policy in our country when it comes to racism. we've also asked for an authentic and genuine apology. what we see is the company responding when they're almost compelled to, when it's damage control. again, we have to have, you know, the company take more of a proactive step. they need to do right by these children. these children have suffered immense harm as a result of it. >> what do you make of those demands? has sesame place done enough? at what point does more intense legal pressure seem appropriate? >> i don't think sesame place

is done enough, i think they have two more cognizant of the fact that in the days following this initial incident, there were literally scores of other individuals who came forward who had similar stories of the same character doing the same thing to different children of color. this is a systemic issue that sesame place needs to address. the other part of it that needs to be understood, without addressing this very very straightforward and very directly, they run the risk of reputation of damage. the organization that was founded on inclusion and an organization that was founded on basically giving a voice and visibility for a little children of color, has now had a stain on it where a number of families have come forward and said, this is not been their experience. so, with a need to do internally is basically make a clear and unmistakable statement that this is not what they stand for, and this is what they mean by. so, not having swift and

serious action or response in response to this, it does not send the right message. in terms of the families, i do think that there is a potential for legal address, not on the monetary and, but certainly on the injunctive and, in terms of having more inclusive environment, yes, i do agree with child support family, that individual does need to have that relationship severed, he's too much of a liability that company. >> i have to tell you, as a mom, all i want to do a sweep of those two little girls and tell them they are beautiful and wonderful and special. it is heartbreaking to watch that video. but i thank you for brett giving us the legal aspect of all of this, charles. have you been inside you today? that we know why we are showing you this. police, and people, to trying to cool off a little bit. but not necessarily in the pool there in philadelphia. temperatures are expected to break records along the east coast today, but how bad it is going to get? we will let you know, next. we will let you know, next we will let you know, next

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of two americans killed in the eastern donbas region have been eight and five. there it is common as russian forces redouble their efforts in the region. according to the market is not known, but if two men had been fighting alongside ukrainian forces, but they have been in touch with their families. joining me now from kyiv is nbc's ellison barber. alison, i know it is heartbreaking for these families, but widows can you tell me about these americans? >> hey, alex. yes the parents of one of those americans who died in the donbas tells us that their son was part of a foreign volunteer units within the ukrainian military. they say he and three others within that unit died after they were ambushed in eastern ukraine. >> this is the photo. >> in calabasas, north carolina, kathy and george are mourning the loss of their son. >> he didn't go there to visit.

he went there is a wanted to help people. >> -- a father of two, a son, a devoted friend, when they're in early april. >> my husband is one hunted percent ukrainian. so therefore 80% of my son is ukrainian. he saw what was going on, we really needed help. he said, mom i'm going. so he went. we try to dissuade him. >> every time i talk to them i told him, when you just come home? >> just a week before he was killed he sent a note to mom saying we don't have the right equipment. send me a tactical vest. >> how did you find what happened? >> on the 19th we got a call from the state department. they called and told us what happened. >> kathy and george billy luke, who was serving in the systematic, have been knocked unconscious by artillery with three other foreign fighters

desperately tight to save him. >> they were trying to -- him, will take world and then started firing at him. >> usa government confirmed to nbc news the two recent deaths in the donbas region of ukraine. volunteers from canada and sweden reportedly died in the same fight. >> they say they didn't leave until the rest of his friends, the rest of the battalion, did. >> they told us that luka regionally came here because he wanted to try to help deliver humanitarian aid and at some point while he was here he made the decision to join the military. his two children are eight and four years old. his parents told us that they have not told the children exactly what happened yet because they're trying to find the words. but they say one thing is for sure. they will make sure his children know that he was a hero and somebody wanted to help others. alex. >> so hard to listen to those parents and their loss and suffering right now. thank you so much ellison

barber. i want to give you guys a quick look right now. we're gonna give you the weather before we give you the pope. right here in america temperatures are reaching into the triple digits could feel as high as 110 degrees in some cities. as we are looking into the north atlantic it could be one of the date most mangers and deadly heat waves. cold front bringing cooler weather starting tomorrow. but today, 90 million people from the plains to the northeast are all under heat alerts and much of the central and southern u.s. are days away from relief. let's go to nbc's list mclaughlin. we're not gonna make you stand outside in heat any longer as you join us from dallas. several more triple digit days ahead for you, though. liz, post not only a health risk but a huge strain on the utilities. >> that is right, alex. it feels like 103 degrees right now. this week, record temperatures peaked at 109. and on that day there were

reports of 80,000 megawatts of energy used. that is more than new york and california. the whole states had that day combined. it is really putting a strain on the system here. some places putting in some limits, i spoke to residents at a high rise apartment building very close to here. they said the administration has-limited them from turning it above or below 74 degrees. on those high levels they are saying it is in the 80s. pretty insufferable trying to sleep through something like that. talking about moving. right now the energy reliability council of texas says that there is enough power to meet demands, but that it is a struggle to prepare for. ceos brad jones had this to say. >> well, so for sam, i am always worried that the system can be overtaxed. that is why i am prepared. that is why our entire team plans for these types of scenarios and make sure that we are ready, that we have the tools that we need, we have the

resources that we need and that we are working on all of those pieces. yes i have a high degree of confidence, lawyers have to be concerned about the next summer, how hot it will be. >> and that test is just beginning. with even more hot weather expected to come between one or two in 105 heat index in the coming days. we have not even gotten to the hottest part of the year yet. talking to some residents we talk about the health strain here, but they say there is a mental health strain as well. this he can act like a pressure cooker on emotions. i was having dinner last night in a nice place. two grown men got into a fight. luckily the kerfuffle was de-escalated. and ended peacefully with a handshake an apology to the knowledge meant that the heat had put them on edge. >> oh please! when it gets really hot and humid i can get really grow tree. just saying, point goes. flight frustrations will also

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apologizing for abuses that happened at the catholic run residential school, several of them, in fact. we can see prime minister justin trudeau there. he will be visiting edmonton, alberta today. one of three stops across the country. but again, he is safely landed. having taken off in rome. and is now in edmonton, canada, for six full days. so many people there will be paying homage to the pope. and you will be making a very solemn visit there, and extending apologies to those who suffered abuse, and some catholic run residential schools. there you go. there is some native canadians there. we are playing for them as we listen. and we will keep watching as well. in the meantime, traveling by air can be a very frustrating experience, so many flight delays now and cancellations. one of the problems is an alleged shortage of pilots. pilots being forced to retire the age of 65. now, my colleague lindsey visor looks at the number to raise that limit.

>> it is the summer of charge travel chaos. cancel flights and endless delays thwarting long planned getaways. >> it's crazy. it's likely just canceled. >> many airlines point to a shortage as the cause of that turbulence. but so but the cockpit are saying they are forced out my arbitrary laws. >> we are losing thousands of pilots. >> pilots are currently forced to retire at 65, which means 13% will be out of work in five years. the largest pilot association denies there is even a pilot shortage, citing the 8000 new commercial pilots in the last 12 months as an increase in recent years. still, lawmakers led by senator lindsey graham are looking to raise the retirement age from 65 to 67. a change that captain global would welcome. >> it is a perfect solution in the reason that we have a logjam right now. we did judges says he wants to look at other ways to strengthen the pipeline.

>> these retirement ages are there for a reason, and the reason is safety. >> do you feel you are at the top of your game in your forced to retire? >> absolutely. >> patty marsh is the tenth pilot ordered by the airline. she didn't want to hang up her commercial wings in 2020 either. >> did any occupation ought to be able to perform after age 65, he's airline pilots. >> is a truly the best indicator for how well he can fly that plane? >> not at all. it is a terrible indicator, how somebody flies a plane. >> -- where the cognitive test about the pilots fitness to fly. currently only those with medical conditions like adhd are required to take. i tried my hand at it. >> [inaudible] >> border color, oh my god! is that, fast okay. arrow color. oh, the air traffic controllers would hate me. >> pilots over the age of 40 already have to get a

certification in six months. but doctors say the video was 60 partial to get positive test. >> not every day of school flying is blue skies and no winds. it is the days when things aren't so good, there is a lot of air traffic and bounds weather and something is not functioning properly, we want somebody who could make decisions and reason. >> lindsey reiser, nbc news, new york. >> we should say that flight cancellations and delays have dropped significantly. last month, almost 20% of flights are canceled. this month, just 2%. and delays are now about a third of what they were back in june. >> some secret service agents who are with the president on january six are not retaining private attorneys. , next we are going to dig into the why. and whether it has anything to do with the disappearance of secret service text from january 6th. secret service text from january 6th. january 6th. 's easier to control...

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reported publicly. he is one of two people in, the addition to the former president himself, who is direct firsthand knowledge of what's happened in that short but traumatic ride from the -- back to the white house in january six. there were only two secret service agents present in the fa v. for that ride. the special agent in charge of the presidents detail on january six. and in addition to him, the unnamed driver of this suv. no, there are a number of folks who have heard different versions of what happened. and some of those people have spoken publicly, including at the most recent january six select committee meeting. cassidy hutchinson has said that she was told by tony ornato, a secret service detail lead at the white house, that -- about would happen. but she was cleared and

testimony dingell himself did not tell or. so this is really -- weapons. >> we know that this driver has retained the sought of mark meadows lawyer. what does this tell you? anything at all? it is a signal defense attorney? >> the lawyer for the driver's zack to a leader. taylor is a very senior official at the justice department headquarters during the trump administration, and also became senate confirmed u.s. attorney for the eastern district of virginia. that is a really important district within the justice department, it deals with many politically sensitive in high-profile national security cases. it's actual eager, having that role is clearly a sign that senior doj brass viewed him as somebody who is competent and trustworthy. when people who work for government agencies like this suv driver bearing on outside counsel, in addition to or instead of their employers,

they're employing agencies internal lawyers, it suggests but does not necessarily guarantee that they feel they need someone who will be loyal directly to them, rather than potentially having divided loyalties between them and their employment agency. in this case of course the secret service itself. so bringing on that council is notable, and it suggests but does not prove, certainly suggests that this driver feels he needs more help in different help then the help that he was getting from the service itself. >> and we should make a note that the secret service has said that we are providing attorneys as well, we are happy to do so. there is nothing about that. to the point that you just made, let me ask you, why? does this law earring up have anything to do with the missing secret service text message? why do they think they need legal representation? >> it is a good question. of course i had not spoken to

this suv driver, so i cannot get inside his head and say why he believes he needs additional representation. but particularly for people who are government employees and find themselves in the crosshairs of these major media moments, it is incredibly stressful and challenging in high stakes. their entire lives could be on the cusp of changing because of decisions that they made on days and in the wake of days that were incredibly difficult. it is not to say every decision they made was right, or that these people are above the scrutiny or should not have to answer hard questions, or should not be accountable for the decisions that they made. but if you are a career government official, have no intention of ever becoming famous, of every trying to make a name for yourself, and then you find yourself in a spot where despite what you want you are on the cusp of potentially becoming a household name and facing extraordinary scrutiny, both from legal investigators

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i'm yasmin vossoughian. there is a lot going on right now, thanks for joining us. we have new information on the january six investigation. committee members talking about what they have shown so far and what is still ahead. we'll serve new insight into the secret service text that have vanished. we are getting an update on the presidents recovery from covid and we are learning much more about two americans killed fighting for ukraine. plus, the oppressive continuing heat wave gripping this nation and the world. when you look at when it might end. ahead this hour as well. we want to begin the with the january six investigation. members of the committee have new targets in their ongoing investigation into the attack on the capital, following their eighth hearing on thursday, which focused on donald trump's 187 minutes of an action. the committee says that's not all. to expect more h