what they have proven so far and the work they still have to do. one of those members with a message for the department of justice. >> i sure is hell hope they have a criminal investigation into donald trump. merrick garland told us he's listening, if he's watching today, i'm saying, he doesn't need to wait on us, i think he has enough to keep moving

forward. >> committee members also dropping this big bit of news today, they are now considering a subpoena to compel ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas to testify. i'm gonna talk to barbara, liana at or -- beyond demonstrations, her thoughts on what else can be done in a post-roe world. plus, it succeeded in pennsylvania, and they're trying it elsewhere. will a risky democratic strategy to help support extremists at republican primaries with the hope they'll be easier to pick off at a general election actually payoff? or is a putting democracy at risk? and we'll introduce you to a very different maga, mothers against greg abbott. launching a very personal campaign to get rid of the texas governor. that story is ahead. we want to start the with the january 6th investigation. as we played at the top there, pressure continuing to mount on the doj to prosecute former president trump and his inner

circle. in the wake of trump associate steve bannon's conviction on contempt of congress charges over his refusal to appear before the committee. vice chair liz cheney dropped something about ginni thomas, who might in fact receive a subpoena next. >> is your committee planning on talking to ginni thomas, even though her lawyer has expressed a reluctance to cooperate? >> we are, the committee is engaged with her counsel. we hope that she will agree to come in voluntarily. the committee is fully prepared to contemplate a subpoena if she does not. >> let's bring in nbc's ryan to talk about this. all right ryan, walk us through some of the intricacies of some of this, talk about the significance of possibly subpoenaing a supreme court justice's wife, that being ginni thomas. how she can feel some of the holes here to complete the story? >> sure, i mean, it's a very significant. she wouldn't have any grounds

to not cooperate if she were subpoenaed. we've had these instances before where there were people in the white house, they are given executive privilege, the mark meadows case for example, doj declined to go forward with because the committee there needs to at least show he was engaged with the committee and is going back and forth with them. ginni thomas doesn't have any claim to executive privilege they can go on to. the committee does move forward the subpoenas, ignores, it blows it off, she doesn't comply with the subpoena, testimony in turn over documents, that's something we could see down the line, a reference to doj for. steve bannon case shows that you're gonna have to cooperate with these cases. we have seen a number of people who probably severely dislike the committee and ultimately have given testimony, you know, a number of people in this world who are very and see january six committee has still appeared, even if they've been standoffish during those interviews that we see played over and over again on some of

these public hearings going forward. >> who else could they compelled to testify at this point with just a few months left? >> that is the timeline you have to keep in mind. ginni thomas, i think, is someone that has relevant information. remember, she was talking to john eastman, who was sort of one of the architects of this strategy to keep donald trump in the white house, the legal strategy, if you can call it that. basically try to stop the transfer of power. choosing communication with him, no more of that. she was also engaged -- she's a very prominent conservative activist involved in a lot of these communications people who were in the realm of january 6th organizers. it just that information could be valuable to the committee going forward. she was also involved in this pressure campaign toward the arizona electorate. her significance here and her rolled through her husband and on her own, the role she plays in conservative conservative

circles is something that investigators want to get their hands on to get that picture with just a few months left to go before the committee needs to complete -- >> let's talk steve bannon for a moment and his conviction on both counts. your reporting writing this, bennett and cool lawyers made clear they're -- describing the verdict as round one in a longer battle. i gotta say, you heard from the attorney there right after the conviction. you came out and said, this is bulletproof. the appeal is in fact bulletproof. i'm wondering if you think this is actually bluster here. if the gut moves forward with something. if it's got anything, really, with an appeal to move forward? >> steve bannon and bluster are words that appear often in sentences together. i do think there is a question of whether or not this potential case is going to move forward to sentencing based on before this appeal process plays out. right now, sentencing is on the books for october. remember, there's a 30-day minimum. the depending on where the

judge decides to do, there's a lot to see going forward. >> ryan riley for us. thank you so much. good to talk to you, ryan. i want to turn out the washington post columnist jennifer lewd of itch to talk more about january 6th. jennifer, thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. let me get your reaction to a possible subpoena for justice thomas's wife, ginni thomas. i gotta say, for me, it's actually pretty surprising, considering the fact that -- they were leaning away from actually subpoenaing her. that being, said that was probably about two months or so ago. this is a much different game today than it was then. >> it sure is. they have a lot more information about the elector, the electors can. they have a lot more information about what was going on with mark meadows and other enablers of the coup. if you have information about a serious incident, possibly

criminal incident, you shouldn't need a subpoena. it's disgraceful that the wife of a supreme court justice, who should have respect for the constitution and the law, would require a subpoena. it would be even worse, of course, if she then tried to refuse to respond to it. one thing that has really bothered me about these hearings is the number of republicans who think this is just a suggestion, that even went to a subpoena, they can delay, they can ignore. >> right. >> when a subpoena comes in, you have a legal obligation to show up. some of the excuses if they are raising our ridiculous. executive privilege, for example, that's already been waived by the biden administration. if you think you maybe defendant -- the fifth amendment. it's just not an option, as we are learning, with steve bannon, to say i am not showing up. and the notion that people can pick and choose when they

cooperate, really, is antithetical to the system that we have. i would hasten to add that pat cipollone came in, he had this very swiss cheese approach to what he thinks of privilege might be. he was answering some questions but not others. it was hard to tell exactly what's his dividing line was. i have a message for him. that is, when and if, he gets hold in front of a grand jury by the justice department, he's not going to be able to play these games. he's gonna have a chance to tell the whole story. if he doesn't and plays games, he's gonna wind up in criminal contempt. >> the thing is it seems like, to a certain extent, pursuing criminal contempt, the way in which they did with steve bannon, seems like somewhat of a political decision. i say this because he's really the only person at this point

that has been held accountable, unlike some others. i'm wondering if they need to pursue others the way in which they have steve bannon in order to say, no, this does not fly when you are subpoenaed, you show up. >> the committee actually has found a whole series of people in contempt. the question is, will the justice department then pursue those cases? there are reasons why they might not. excuse me. for example, the person might be a very handy witness or even a target. they might want to have a bigger fish to fry with them. it will be the case with mark meadows. it doesn't mean that they are picking and choosing basing it on favoritism. it means the justice department has to do an analysis of each one of these things. also, there is a principle involved that generally you don't pursue criminal contempt if the witness and or the lawyer made some effort to cooperate and negotiate over

documents and cooperation. there are a lot of factors that go into it. in fact, steve bannon just had none of those factors that might have been a consideration. he simply refused to show up. when you do that, you are asking to be punished. >> take us inside your thinking here, right? you talk about how trump's inaction was shown on january 6th. you write this. it's the sort of evidence the justice department will need to demonstrate trump's intent in possible charges of conspiracy to defraud the u.s. and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. it suggests trump wanted this outcome. could you expand on that for us? >> sure. if he is a normal commander in chief and he sees the capital being attacked, and he doesn't want the capital being attacked, because he's the commander-in-chief, and it's his obligation to defend it, he's gonna get on the phone or hauler for the secretary of

defense, for the fbi, for a whole variety of people. the fact that he did not, together with the other evidence, suggests he was happy to see this play out. why else wouldn't he stop it? i think all along the way there's been this question of, well, did he really intend to stop it and then the dispute and delay the counting of the electoral ballots? now it's indisputable. and not only did he call his people in armed, as they were, and send them up to the capitol, he desperately wanted to join them, leave them in some way. and then, as the violence broke out, he's letting this play out. the conclusion that anyone can draw is that he wanted this outcome. he was pleased to see the violence play out. it's not that his failure to act is in and of itself a crime, but it goes to his mindset. i think what we have learned is that his mindset was very

clearly aimed to stay in power no matter what. >> jennifer reuben, thank you. great to talk to you today. appreciate it. i want to get the some breaking news everybody. officials reporting that 17 suspected haitian migrants have died at sea after a vessel capsized. 15 women, one man, and an infant, are reportedly among the 17 people dead. the search and rescue operation is still underway as we speak we are told 42 people unaccounted for so far. an estimated 50 to 60 people were on the boat at the time. all, right a democratic midterm strategy that has some of the party very nervous. a mistake could put democracy in danger. that's later on this hour. and up next, a new maga movement, mothers against greg abbott. the group you have moms taking aim at the texas governor and hoping to give him the boot. >>

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there is a different kind of maga movement gaining ground in texas. a new political action committee, mothers against greg abbott. it's attacking the texas governor in a viral ad calling him out on everything from book bans to women's rights. take a listen. >> we live in suburbs.

>> in big cities. >> and on farms and ranches. >> we are the mother's against greg abbott. but >> for more on this, joined now by and the about lure, an opinion writer and professor at the university of pennsylvania, department of religious studies. thanks for joining me on this. we appreciate it. let's talk about the political ad, right? it lays out a lot of different issues that texas is grappling with, and the country really to some extent. abortion, power grid failures, we've been talking a lot about that because of the heat that we've been dealing with, especially in texas, gun permits, and then of its covid response. what was the nail in the coffin or straw that broke the camel's back when it came to rising up against the texas governor? >> you know, honestly, i think it's a lot of things against greg abbott. i actually think uvalde did it. i feel like having the thing where the mother had to go in and run and get her children

out of a school shooting where police were not moving at all, and not trying to help children, i think it was a great impetus for all of this. i think this movement against greg abbott has moving for a long time in texas. you have people sleeping on the fourth freezing during last february, including my parents and others who are older. you have had mothers who had to pay higher prices because he stopped produce at the border, he thought this was about immigration. he has done so many things to destroy texas and to put it on shaky ground that i am really applauding this commercial. i think it's the kind of grassroots movement that can move somebody like greg abbott out of office. but >> so, let's read some of your piece here, some of it is incredibly poetic. you right there is a savvy salvo into the realm that republicans and evangelicals believe they control, the family. it puts faces on the women's and families that have been harmed by the retrograde policies of the abbott administration.

as a texan yourself, and the, why do you feel like this is the moment. do you feel like this group could really succeed in an seeding the governor? >> i think it can. they're speaking out for something that a lot of people are concerned about, their families, their kids. what is happening. i don't see that any policy that greg abbott has done up until this moment has helped any families, it's only helped his political campaign, it's only helped his donors to give more money to him, and it has not part of the lives of children, or mothers, or parents in texas. as a matter of fact, it's been downright punitive and mean. i think that what we have to look at here is a movement, a maga movement, a new kind of maga movement, that is going to move the policies of greg abbott and the rest of his cabinet out of the way in texas. >> and then you write this, abbott's policies have made this state a hell for anyone

with a working conscience, texas isn't a great state anymore. you write this, it is a failed state. talk more about that, anthea. >> it's hard, i love texas, i grew up in texas. you grew up hearing the stories about the greatness of texas, texas had problems. under greg abbott, what has happened, we've had a series of things that have been terrible. not the least of which have been several mass shootings, in el paso, incentify, in uvalde. you have guns that are proliferating right now. so, everything that greg abbott has done has not been to uplift the state, while he may say that because they have tons of business coming because there is, you know, no taxes. what is really happened is that the lives of texas families have been degraded. i think they're gonna speak across the aisle to republicans, especially republican parents who are probably struggling right now. the thing you have to say is, does this help the family? does this help our children?

does this help us have a better state? it doesn't matter how many guns you can carry, or how many businesses you bring in, what matters is, can people be warm? can people be fed? can people get proper health care? can women get purple health care? this is really important, this is been a backlash ever since wendy davis stood on the texas legislator. >> anthea butler, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. good to talk till. >> coming up, everybody, putting on the line for abortion rights. a group of congressional democrats getting arrested while protested in washington, barbara lee was one of them. she joins me next on the right to have a right to choose. e a right to30? (mom) it's their best unlimited price ever.

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supreme court's controversial decision to overturn roe, stripping away a woman's right to an abortion. since then, several states have ended nearly all abortion services, with alabama, arkansas, missouri, south dakota, and texas completely banning them, but for a few restrictions. thousands of people across the country of taken to the streets week after week to protest the high court's decision. dozens of democratic members of congress were arrested just this week as they marched from the capital building to the supreme court. cortez, cori bush, and congresswoman barbara lee among those arrested. barbara lee is joining me now. obviously free after having been arrested. glad you are well, congresswoman. thanks for joining us on this. you and i spoke immediately after the overturning of roe outside the supreme court, a day after it was, i believe almost a month to the day, let me ask this, what have democrats done so far to make

progress in the last four weeks? >> well, thanks a lot. nice seeing you again. thank you for having me. we've done quite a bit, but you know, yasmin, first of all, i have to say, we've been waiting for the state, we knew it's coming. so, we were prepared even before the decision. first of all, we passed the women's health protection act, led by our great leader, -- who sponsored the bill in the house for the second time. we passed it last year, now we passed it an additional time a couple weeks ago. now it is in the senate, we're hoping that the movement really lets the senators know who we are going to vote for, that this broad movement about taking away our reproductive freedoms will help them move forward and passed this bill. having said that, if they don't, we'll focus very much right now on the elections in november so that we can elect members of the senate and continue to

broaden our pro-choice caucus in the house to make sure that we get the women's health act passed, which will in shrine roe into federal law. secondly, we passed the bill of the right to travel. can you see what's happening now? i hope everyone understands that our basic rights to travel are now being challenged by this roe decision. we are gonna have to make sure that people who live in these states where their rights have been taken away can travel to states like my own state, which provides a safe haven for people who decide to have an abortion. third, we passed a bill with regard to contraception because we know the supreme court has a list of freedoms they're about to take away. so, we pass legislation to make sure that we can shrine the right to contraception, family planning, and birth controls into federal law. finally, i'll just say, we wrote, 50 some of us, to the fda and said we must have over

the counter birth control pills, you know birth control pills must be safe, the efficacy of it must be determined. right now, you have to have a prescription. many people who live in states where they don't have access to health care, don't have a doctor to get a prescription, so, they can't get birth control pills. we're working very hard to make sure the fda reviews the request for licenses and does this in a safe but expedited fashion so that we have over the counter birth control pills, which is so important for low income people and black and brown people especially. >> so, congresswoman, the house is acting, obviously we know the makeup of the senate and how it's more of an uphill battle when it comes to the senate. i want to talk about how some republicans are addressing the issue at hand. talking specifically about matt gates in saying this. this is what he said. why is it that the women's with the least likelihood of getting

pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? i cannot even believe that this is something that matt gaetz said publicly and out loud. it is astounding to me. a leading republican governor from michigan and a hypothetical statement, the 14-year-old incest victim would be a perfect example for why we need and abortion ban. she said she would expect that girl to carry the baby to term and that she only supports allowing an abortion with a mother's life is in danger. talk about perspective here. what do you make of it? >> yeah, this isn't perspective. this is their views, which are despicable, but this is also why we have called and what the public understands are radical extremists who really don't care about life at all. i think they're quotes and

others in the commons demonstrate that. it's outrageous. these people really need to be held accountable in many ways at the polls coming up. state elections are important, state houses, federal elections, people like this don't have any regard for people, their bodily autonomy, their reproductive freedoms, and their personal liberties. they should not be representing people. their views, their attitudes are antithetical to democracy. they're really trying to take away, first of all, our reproductive freedoms, what's next? we did pass the marriage equality act, making sure with water -- color for marriage equality. they're gonna start taking away lgbtq rights. they want to take away, again, contraception. they want to take away voting rights. >> then you have republican senators saying it's not an issue until it's actually an issue when it comes to marriage

equality, that was exactly what was being said about roe until actually was an issue. then you have all these women saying, look where we are now? >> yeah, so, what we have to understand is that this is the opening of pandora's box to actually taking away our rights, this is the first time a constitutional right has been taken away. so, i always say, if they come for me today, they're coming for you tomorrow. we have a moment now, this wake up call, that we have to understand what we have to do. yes, we have to hit the streets. yes, i got arrested. yes, 17 more members got arrested, we're gonna continue with direct action. i want to thank all those activists who are in the streets each and every day insisting that their voices be heard. we also have to make sure we explain why these elections are so important. they are so important because we have to preserve our democracy, we have to preserve our freedom to make our own personal health care decisions,

not judges, not election officials, we have to really preserve for reproductive liberties. this is a slippery slope this country is on now. so, i believe that the country, those who didn't know a world without row, they now know a world without row. we're unified, we're moving forward. for the sake of democracy and reproductive freedom. >> congresswoman barbara lee, thank you, good to see once again. up next, we're not the only ones burning up this weekend. we're gonna take you overseas where temps continue to hit triple digits in some parts of europe. richard louis join with an exclusive interview, the leader of a key ukraine neighbor on standing solidly with its ally despite the high cost. we'll be right back. spite the high cost. spite the high cost. we'll be right ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪

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evacuated. historic and deadly heat in western europe have killed more than 1000 people in spain and portugal, and forced thousands in france, greece, and italy to flee their homes as well. molly hunter is following all of this from london. which is also continuing to face unprecedented high temperatures. molly, walk us through it. how are folks coping with the heat there? >> yeah, yasmin, i would say, london has been coping with unprecedented high temperatures, until today, the heat as you can say just broke. we're now gonna get some thunderstorms tonight. i have to say, welcome for those of us when battling it out that air conditioning here in london. i want to give you those updates about specifically the four major fires and greece that we spoke about yesterday, on liz those, two more villages were evacuated, two more villages today. temperatures in greece are hitting 104 degrees. those temperatures aren't expected to go anywhere across greece and southern europe later this week. the largest fire is burning near the turkish border, it's

near a national forest full of flammable pine trees. the only good news there, for firefighters, very strong winds, very high temps, very hard to contain, not as many houses around that one. last year, just for context, yasmin, 300,000 acres were destroyed in greece in wildfires. the fires this year are having an even earlier. i want to move to france where they're also seeing a high temps. there is still wildfires blazing in spain, in portugal, in france. there is a conversation in paris today, yasmin, that i want to bring our audience up to. especially for those who've been watching nbc sports. the tour to france, one of the most famous endurance races that's been going on for the last couple of weeks finish today in paris. 93 degrees in paris, that's 20 degrees hotter than the average july day in paris. those insurance athletes sprinting to the finish line. there is now a conversation about a whole rethink of that insurance raise. some of the things that race organizers had to do this year,

sprayed on the tarmac, start races later. they had even changed the rules, allowing some of those endurance athletes to rehydrate in the first few miles of races. there's not a conversation about what happens next summer, what happens in ten summers, of course, incredibly famous race, friends takes a lot of pride in it, one detail that struck me in a washington post article, yasmin. the original yellow jersey, of course, that famous yellow jersey, first introduced in 1919, it used to be made of wool. that's certainly a sign of how much the climate has changed in the last hundred years. >> yeah, thankful that is not the case now. molly hunter for us. thank you, molly. good to talk to you. a spin in the face, that is how a spokesperson for ukraine's foreign minister described russians attack on a port in odessa. an assault launched just hours after moscow and the capital city of kyiv agreed to a deal to allow grain exports to resume from the port there. this is coming as nbc news has confirmed that luke lucyszyn,

one of the two americans killed by russian forces in the donbas region, at least three other u.s. citizens have in fact been killed in ukraine since russia launched their invasion six months ago today. so, russia's war on ukraine has also had a major impact on ukraine's neighbors. richard louis got an exclusive interview with the prime minister of one of those ukraine allies. he's joining us now. hey richard, good to talk to you. take us through this interview. as we know, this war, it is not just affecting those inside ukraine, but those in the surrounding areas. >> yeah, as you know in your reporting, central europe is affected by this yasmin. slovakia, you know, it's a small country, but it's quite big when it comes to helping ukraine specifically. it was one of the first to meet with president zelenskyy personally, the first to offer missile defense systems, and it is a major refugee transit country seeing millions at the border today it. i sat down and slovakia's prime minister in an exclusive at the presidential palace, one of his most pressing issues today, ten

slovakia maintain aid for months and even years that its neighbor may need? >> as many as hundreds an hour, ukrainian refugees flooding into slovakia. five months into the russian war, the test of helping refugees has grown, as new challenges arise. >> how serious is few food security right now? >> there could be a famine. the feminine starts immigration waves. we need to be very active when we speak of africa, of asia. ukraine was a big exporter, the time is ticking. >> ukraine is the centerpiece, export-ing nearly two thirds of the world sunflower grain. because of russia's war, the un warns 1.7 billion people could face hunger on a scale not seen in decades. that includes ukraine's neighbor, slovakia, and its prime minister, edward hague, or is upping the ante on efforts. >> you're saying it's the top issue, number one issue. >> at this moment, it's the top three. >> also concerning, yet higher

gas prices. putin potentially expanding his war. >> president zelenskyy was just saying it's not the first time, this could be two years longer of a war. would that mean for slovakia? >> it influences us, with the gdp growth, it's important for us to have a stable and prosperous neighbor. another reason to help. we do it in the first place because people are dying there. we invest in this moment. >> then, there are the calls for more military aid. in addition to the president setting moves, the prime minister has already done. >> we provided the -- system. we helped in the amount of 150 million euros in equipment and ammunition. >> can you give too much? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, it's so cynical. if you value life, if you value freedom, and human rights, human dignity, you will never say that. >> a country of just over 5

million people has resettled half 1 million refugees in their own neighborhoods. >> we never thought that europe was capable to accept so many people in such a short time. 27 governments, days and hours, it's amazing, no one ever thought, you would've asked ten years, five years ago, european union, never. >> or 33 years ago, when hegar came of age, as a teenager, he saw the socialist government fall apart. >> i have a very fresh, still fresh memories of the time there were big gatherings at the plaza. and, yeah, i remember how we were going there, with the keys, ringing with keys, hoping for a better future than what we were living. we saw that images of the tanks and slovakia. what you see in ukraine, when i visited kyiv, we went to bucha, uc totally destroyed apartment

buildings, groceries. this is such a brutal war. >> if ukraine fails, slovakia's next. >> you have said that slovakia and other countries of nato cannot compromise. should not compromise more. what do you mean? >> we value. we are democratic country, where part of the democratic world, we have to really revisit our approach to our values. zelenskyy had the choice to leave into exile, they decided, no, we stay and we fight for our freedom. we fight for our values. i asked myself, what would i do if i were in his shoes? volodymyr zelenskyy shoes? i wish i would decide the same as him. >> richard louis, nbc news, -- >> now the opposition and slovakia -- they say ukraine has not helped the black here in the past, so why should they help them now? he has been, and analogy to

understand how much silver get his given so far, imagine the united states taking in 35 million refugees? that it's somewhere -- where his government has done so far. >> really good stuff. thank you, richard louis. after the break, democrats pulled it off in the pennsylvania gubernatorial primary with mastriano and hope to pull it off. could a strategy to meddle in gop primaries to get the extremist candidate, they prefer backfire and actually put these people in power? we're going to look at the risk and reward coming up next. going to look at the ris going to look at the ris and reward if you have copd, ask your doctor about breztri. breztri gives me better breathing and helps prevent flare-ups.

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eastern at msnbc on simone. ten minutes or so. you concerns over whether risky midterms dreaded you by democrats could backfire big-time in the new york times and others reporting on how trump loyalist and republican jet dan cox who won his primary race in the maryland group return oil race did so with the help of, surprise, surprise, democrats. and they spent more than 1 million dollars highlighting the former presidents endorsement of cox, helping cox gain notoriety and ultimately pull out a win. the idea of being that ultimately these more controversial republican candidates will go on to win against the democratic counterparts in the midterms. it's not just marilyn, democrats have used this tactic and the governor races in illinois, arizona, pennsylvania as well. it is risky the. that's what we're here to talk about. political analyst, journalist and author david maher joins me. you heard about this on nbc.

he wrote this, it's gonna be seen as clumsy and shortsighted by democrats. but there are examples of where it's actually worked in the past. if it backfires, you said it would be seen as clumsy. talk to me about when it works? >> there is actually a long history of democrats doing this, which is why i think they continue to adopt this tactic. probably the most memorable one was a decade ordo or so ago, when democratic senator -- in missouri was seeking reelection. she helped engineer the republican nomination of the than congressman todd aiken, who famously, or more accurately, infamously use the legitimate read, which entered him into the political lexicon. >> i do remember. >> in former president ronald reagan's first run for governor that can 1966, democrats thought he would be an easy

more, an easy target in the fall, so they helped promote him over arrival and they sure found quickly he did not work that time. there's a real mixed history here. did not wbut there is a real r? looking at pennsylvania specifically and the gavitt oriole race there. if you think about the governor's position, right? the power they have over elections, looking back to 2020, not that long ago. you have him a few points behind shapiro at this, quite wondered if democrats are ready for an outcome in which mastriano could pull out a win with their help, by the way. >> yeah, mastriano could absolutely win. pennsylvania is a perennial swing state. we saw it in the 2016 race, donald trump beat hillary clinton, even though democratic the last six elections before that. republicans have run plenty of statewide offices there, as you note, shapiro, the democratic

gubernatorial nominee is only up by three, four points, something like that, in what's looking like a strong republican year. that is too close to comfort, to close for comfort for a lot of democrats. yeah, boy, imagine the wednesday right after election day if you knew your own tactics help promote someone else like that in office. >> right, i wonder why even elevate these far-right elections? you look at the numbers, 120 election buyers who have won their parties nominations are gonna be on the ballot come the fall. the numbers are already out there. why is this tactic at this point? >> well, it's really a different time than some of those previous examples i've mentioned, when we were in a more normal type of politics. now this is the trump era. anything goes, surprise candidates can win. it is just so much more risky than it ever has been before. you can really spend a little bit of money to hype these

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my head-scratcher of the week, and minnesota lieutenant governor candidate who apparently wants a time as chain when it comes to women's rights. that broken a firearm march that he made at an anti abortion rights conference, including this. >> own culture loudly, but also stoutly promotes abortion. women should look a certain way. they should have careers, all these things. >> imagine that society where women could have careers? he was just trying to say that motherhood should be promoted. that wasn't all, though. here's a little more and pay particular attention to the very first line. >> women used to not be able to vote in our country. now we let them drive. i mean, i don't know. i have three teenage daughters

who drive. i don't know if it's a good law or not, but, i'm just kidding. sorry. kidding. getting to all the women of their. and don't tell my wife a uses that joke. she hates that joke. >> the wife knows now. he said letting. letting women drive. you'd expect to hear a strong reaction to the comments from the woman who is running to replace minnesota lieutenant governor, peggy flanagan at 6 pm with elise yemen and as. my high five of the week goes to a legendary singer is taking a stem on gun violence in the best way shingles how. pat bennett are says she will no longer perform hit me with your best shot, one of her biggest hits. pat bennett are says the song has taken on a troubling meaning to her and the way the unrelenting gun violence is prevailing in this country. pat minatare says, you have to draw the line somewhere.

that wraps it up for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back on the chair and excited and sunday at 2 pm eastern. also tomorrow morning from ten to 12 pm. i will see you then. symone starts right now. i will see you then. symone >> greetings, everyone. you're watching symone. this is been a busy weekend for president biden. he is recovering from covid and preparing for a surge of the viruses and dealing with ups and downs of the inflation while making sure his agenda is resonating with the american people. i spoke to his chief of staff, ron klain, and he weighed in on all of this and more. plus, the january 6th committee is fully prepared to contemplate a subpoena for ginni thomas, and the -- clarence thomas if she does not voluntary testify before the panel. that's coming from the vice chair, liz cheney herself. also, we are heading into the culture corner and into wakonda. e