hilarious at the same time. i talked about josh hawley at the start of my show. yeah, we should laugh at him running. that's worth laughing at. but yeah, josh hawley is the face of right-wing authoritarianism. and it's that kind of balance to have to get our brains around, that they're hilarious, weird comic characters, but they are also in danger start democracy. >> absolutely. that's a great juxtaposition. we should not lose sight of that, while we enjoy these cringeworthy moments. my front, it's always great to see you. welcome back. enjoy the rest of your evening. >> cheers! >> we didn't to you. and welcome to ayman. tonight, the channel six committees big picture, not at the first hearings are over. how should we interpret the findings? david corn is here. he has a warning for the news media and you at home as well. plus, vice president harris takes a stand. we are gonna show you the powerful message she has on reproductive rights. and a group of senators is doing to block future attempts to overturn elections? i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪

>> all right, so, the curtain has fallen on the january 6th committee's first round of hearings. and now, the question is, now what? so, the committee has made clear they are going to resume hearings in september. we know that is. much would happens between now and until then? now in a sense, it really is our turn. we in the news media, and you at home have a responsibility to take everything that has been presented and work to understand what exactly it means. not just in this quick knee-jerk manner that happened so often in the minutes after one of the hearings, but also in a deeper sense. when all the pieces of the puzzle can come together. let's listen to liz cheney this week in her closing statement about this. every american must consider this.

that a president who is willing to make choices, donald trump made during the violence of january 6th, ever be trusted with any position of authority and our great nation again. >> there's probably nothing i agree with liz cheney on, but how do we take which he just said there? how do we build off of that sentiment from congresswoman cheney? it starts with the facts and a warning. david coren who's going to join me in just a minute reminds us that trump and his allies have actually escaped accountability before. when they were in a similar position during the russia investigation, and you may remember that, david corn wrote at the time trump and his -- had been death that developing a tactic to protect him from charges of profound wrongdoing. it raised the bar. there is plenty of confirmed evidence that trump and his cue -- crew acted in a sleazy and improper manner. yet trump and his -- defined the scandal in

different terms. did he collude with the kremlin? when special counsel robert mueller reported he had not found evidence that trump found trump -- criminally conspired with the russians, he had been cleared. even though mueller's final reporting, we documented his misdeeds and detailed -- in which trump possibly obstructed justice. no collusion equals no culpability. that is how trump managed to reshape the russian scandal. how do we make sure that trump and his cronies do not escape accountability this time. this is the great challenge we in the news media and you at home face. we cannot let trump's allies or our own imaginations dictate the terms of the january six committee's findings. the facts and only the facts, excuse me must tell that story, because the moment we step away from the facts, we are letting the other side dictate the

rules of the game. gets wet? the facts are pretty freaking damning. as we wait for the committee to hold more hearings, all of us, myself included must make sure the committee's findings and only their findings tell that damning story. it's not about coming up with the biggest or the worst trump conspiracy imaginable. it's about telling the real story of what happened before, after, and on january the 6th. we have to let the facts do the work and call out the lies and office qishan on the other side. and then, and then maybe, just maybe, the people who need to be held accountable will actually and finally be held accountable for what they have done to our country. joining me now is david corn, mother jones d.c. chief and msnbc political contributor, and the author of the forthcoming book, american psychosis, a historical investigation of how the republican party went bonkers. david, great to see you. thanks for coming back on the show. talk about your peace and your fears that a similar framing

could be -- if we don't one thing, the republicans are good at reframing facts to try to make it say it is not we think it is. it is something completely different? >> yes, and i will say that i wrote that piece before the last hearing, which i think changes things a little bit, but the question here is there is so much in the public record we know already, and yet we often get diverted, deflected into other questions like, will trump be prosecuted. did he break the law? what's going to happen with the investigation into the justice department? on the other hand, you have trump side saying it was a wonderful rally. that's what we're focused on and we are not going to talk about what happened afterwards. trump wasn't involved in what happened. he ended up not going to the riot on capitol hill. so what they're trying to do is create a definitional debate where he is innocent, because you are closely sort of

defining the terms, and you are narrowing the perspective. what the committee did, i think directly, to try to address this, is focused this last hearing on thursday night, on one key element. there are lots of different parts of the january 6th story. it was hard for a lot of americans to absorb the full picture and to understand everything in spades. but what they did on thursday night was to focus on one key factor, 187 minutes between the end of the speech and when he said something about ending the riot. with the trump do in that time period? the answer is nothing. they showed a very strong case that he did nothing on purpose. it was not a mistake. there was not an accident, he wanted this violence to continue, because it was serving his and and purpose of delaying, maybe even putting off entirely the certification of the electoral count, that was going on in the senate and

house. so, if you took away everything else, you know, the call to georgia, to try to get extra votes, the fake electors. the conspiracy theories. pressuring the justice department, pressuring mike pence. if you took away everything else and just thought about that moment when this guy, it's his job to defend the constitution, and the u.s. government, did not do his job. you will see that no other president has ever engaged in such reckless dereliction and duty. the committee really focused on that, i think, to sort of find -- it doesn't matter whether this was a crime or whether he's prosecuted or not. and so, i think they did a good job of directing our attention and focusing our attention. of course, you know the news media and the news ecosystem as well as anyone, ayman, we get very distracted and it focuses -- wet will be done with this information is really entirely

an open question. >> let me pick up on that point. as a member of the press and give it to a straight. do you think that the news media and it's totality is up for the challenge of pushing back against the gop narratives, not just in terms of how they spin the facts or the events of that day, but when you have people like mike pence or condoleezza rice saying the democrats just want to focus on one day in january and it's time to move on, it's time to look forward and try to kind of friendlessness something years ago, and we should stop obsessing over it? >> i think that is the strong point. now we have this record know that there's been more to the record added by the thursday hearing, and i assume there will be more to come. it's up to the media to decide how important this isn't how much attention to pay to it. what to do when one side wants to try to spin its way out of it. they're very good. we see our nbc and msnbc colleagues chasing after members of the house and senate, and republican members, and

trying to get a comment on this. they're not talking about this. i don't care about this. this is the past. this is what mike pence said the other day. i'm not focused on the past. well, excuse me, every criminal trial in america is about the past, and if you are running for office, mike pence for president, or donald trump again, you're not gonna talk about this most tragic and horrific day in american history, that you are part of, then why should anyone take you seriously? i think it is hard. it is hard for us to keep asking the same questions again and again, and again, particularly like with mitch mcconnell who says i want to answer the question. you kind of feel in some ways per half if you look a little obsessive, a little silly or maybe even unfair, right? which is wet they want you to look like. which is what they want you to feel. so i think everybody, every republican should be asked what they think about liz cheney or in the statement that you just played earlier when they think

about what happened thursday night. they are just trying to duck and cover. you're in the beginning of the. hearings -- create a truth squad and respond to the hearings. fight back the way we saw them do in the impeachments and other investigations. then they decided, no. we are not going to say anything. we are not going to show up outside and try to grab the microphone. we are not going to rush to fox news and say this, that, and give interviews on msnbc or cnn. they just laid low because they thought that if they do that they would create less conflict and that they take the hit and it evaporates, and the media is very good at letting things evaporate because if no one else is saying anything you don't have it covered, because you covered it already once. the challenge, i think the media has to try to figure out how to keep this center stage while there are other things going on in the world. >> i will be the first to say, i obsessed over january six, i

think it was the greatest single threat to democracy in the modern era, so you could call mean -- even if it is a charge made by republicans, because i do not think we should let that go unless there is full accountability to those who plotted this insurrection from top to bottom. david, always a pleasure. good to see you, my friend. up next, record breaking temperatures. dangerous wildfires. the climate crisis is here, but we have to ask, will the government actually do anything about it? stick around for my sunday night panel, but first, richard louis is here with the headlines. richard? >> we're going to start with. it's president biden's covid-19 symptoms are rapidly improving according to his physician. dr. kevin o'connor said that biden has a sore throat, that his other symptoms have, quote, diminished significantly since he tested positive thursday, and biden will continue his antiviral treatment as he works on isolation. thousands of california residents are under evacuation orders as the oak fire spreads

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are under excessive heat warnings and heat advisories. today in austin texas, buses are acting as mobile cooling stations, as shuttling people to cooling centers across the city. austin saw its 40th triple digit day of the year this week, and that's only expected to continue. over in salt lake city public libraries are being used and school zones, temperatures reached 107 degrees last week matching its previous all-time high. temperature records in oklahoma tuesday. the lowest peak temperature recorded in that state? 101 degrees. now forecasters also expect with their breaking temperatures here in the northeast. scientists say that climate change is the reason we are experiencing extreme weather events like heat waves more frequently. the democrats, i'm actually leaving in climate change and that it is real, can they actually do something about it? enter one man wrecking ball senator, joe manchin. he sunk democrats hopes this

month by pulling support from major federal spending that would combat the climate crisis. president biden had signed a series of executive actions aimed at addressing the extreme heat across the country, but he, senator joe manchin, stopped short -- excuse me, president biden has stopped short of declaring a climate emergency, something that protesters, experts and lawmakers are actually urging him to do. and let's bring in my sunday night panel, brian foul, in the executive director of demanding justice. amanda, and carlos, a former republican congressman from florida and an msnbc political analyst. great to have all three of you with us. i'd like to start with you. we were debating this a little bit earlier, but what would declare and i shull climate emergency, enabling president biden's administration to do that he is not just doing yet but seriously, how seriously do you think he is considering not? >> it's always inconvenient to do something about climate change in the short term, the

really, if the government does not do something, i mean, with do we have the government for? it is something that people using paper straws and writing the metro, that's great. it's all great. but that is not going to solve this crisis that we have here. emergency is already here. the question is whether the government decides to recognize it. so, declaring a climate emergency would allow joe biden to take more aggressive action, things like stopping crude oil exports, something that was actually banned until 2015 and being more aggressive at stopping drilling on federal lands. things like that. i think there are a lot of activists that say -- on the campaign trail, and all they like to see him live up to those promises. >> carlos, the executive actions that president biden did announce on wednesday actually, they among other

things would lower the cooling cost for some communities, they allocate it more than two billion dollars to communities program infrastructure referred to as brick. it would expand offshore wind development and in fact, he made the announcement from one of those potential sites in massachusetts. do you expect these actions to actually move the needle? >> amen, it will help, everything that makes a positive contribution in terms of emissions reductions is something that we should celebrate, but the truth is that it is not enough. overtime, executive action has proven to be insufficient when it comes to climate change in addressing carbon oxide, pollution. with democrats really ought to do is focus on where they could work with republicans, particularly in the senate. all of the major climate policy victories and congress over recent years have been bipartisan -- in the bipartisan

infrastructure bill. there are significant climate provisions. electrical vehicle infrastructure. investments and direct air capture, negative emissions technologies. senator murkowski and senator manchin, a few years ago, worked together on a bill that funded clean energy technologies by record amounts. republicans and democrats work together to ban hydro fluorocarbon's which are a lot more powerful than carbon dioxide as part of the covid relief bill. that is the path to solving this issue. democrats now twice a promise to go -- win had full control of the government. 2009 and 2010. delivered nothing. now again, this time when they delivered nothing, i really think the only path to meaningful climate action is through bipartisanship. >> to carlos's point of the democrats who were trying to frame this conversation in a way that it actually crosses party lines, how do they go about doing that when you have

so many -- and not just republicans in this case, you have senator joe manchin who are absolutely blocking efforts to make that progress. do they go around and try to go to the communities that are affected by? should they frame this is an attempt at climate justice for those communities? >> well, obviously, in this case scenario would be to achieve some kind of bipartisan compromise to do something about climate crisis. the best option would have been to figure out a way to strike a deal with joe manchin. to make these critical investments. unfortunately, the former is not going to happen anytime soon [inaudible] . i think if you are joe biden, my old boss used to have a phrase that sometimes it's good to get [inaudible] joe biden, at this point with a few -- crying out for action from the federal government of any kind. the executive actions were that step, but i think this issue of climate emergency and declaring that, i think he runs the risk

of looking too passive if he refrains -- a lot of policy advisers right now are talking about the downsides and the powers that emergency declarations grant him. sometimes it's better -- steps between action and inaction sometimes. the downside, he looked like you have your head in the sand and refraining from declaring a climate emergency. that would make joe biden look more -- if he pursued it. some of the downsides and some of the powers that he would gain from making at an emergency declaration. >> let me come back to you quickly here. you have about 60 house democrats, including congresswoman aoc alexandra or cashmere cortez who signed this letter to president biden asking him to declare a national climate emergency. is there any bipartisan agreement congress could reach at this point to fight against the worst effects of climate change, or is it all up to biden? but the best shot is through

bipartisanship, but in the absence of that, which can be done? >> [inaudible] susan collins, mitt romney, elise murkowski, mike braun, captain, kremer north dakota, who are willing to work with democrats on this issue. they understand it is a real issue. they are sincerely committed to this cause. if i was joe biden i would put together a group of bipartisan senators similar to the ones that passed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which i happen to think is one of the greatest achievements of the biden administration, to work on this and practice a solution that could get passed in the leaned accession of congress, or maybe even next congress, even if we have divided government, look for the first time ever and we will see how sincere they are, but house republicans are running this november on a climate agenda for the first time ever, house republicans ahead of an election have put out an agenda

on climate policy. it is not nearly as ambitious as it needs to be. it is historic, considering that it never happened before. i do think there are opportunities to work on a bipartisan manner in congress on this specific issue. >> that certainly is the best way, we will see if they can actually get something done. stick around. we have a lot more to discuss after the break. next, kamala harris has faced her share of negative coverage since taking office, but now, that is starting to change. we will explain that after the break. that is sttiarng to change that is sttiarng to change we wilss all your clouds... break. it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling]

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have noticed a change in the vice president. according to political, harris is passionate communication on reproductive rights has led her -- ian ministration's chief spokesperson for women's health care and abortion rights. now she is flying around america, becoming the go-to resource for democrats trying to combat republican crackdowns on women's bodies. >> for the first time in generations, the united states supreme court, the highest court of our land, the former court of thurgood marshall, took a constitutional right that had been recognized from the people of america. from the women of america. we know, naacp, that our country has a history of claiming ownership over human

bodies. >> back with me now is my sunday night panel. i would like to start with you. do you have any insight or recording us to how harris has come into this role as a quasi-reproductive rights -- >> she certainly feels more natural in it and president biden, who, you know faced a lot of criticism that he wasn't even saying the word abortion. that he just did not seem us fired up when he talked about this as other issues. look, the vice president as the first female vice president in history. she has a great record on reproductive rights. she is natural spokes person for this. you could tell when you listen to this that she is fired up about it. i mean harris was a kid when roe v. wade was decided. she has basically her whole life had this -- she feels like just as outraged as americans, especially women. now she has and going to

indiana and we'll be having dozens of conversations with legislators from other states. she's really trying to tie this to the fight for voting rights which is something else the administration put are in charge of, as well as gun rights, saying look, these people, these republicans are trying to take away your rights and abortion are the same people going after these other rights that you have, and this is government interference. >> carlos, your thoughts on this, has she been effective? it's no secret that harris at a time struggled to find her footing as a vice president on some of the other issues. do you think this kind of rule is necessary for her, and has she been effective in playing it so far? >> i think the vice president normally had some missteps and got a lot of bad press. i think the president and his administration really didn't set her up for success. i mean, i think the first issue is she was assigned, was the border crisis. i mean, talk about setting someone up for failure.

that is one of the toughest issues out there, no easy solutions. it's difficult to communicate on that issue on abortion and reproductive rights. she feels very comfortable. she can speak competently, she can connect with people, so i think that it's a combination. i'm sure she has learned on the job, and also, i think they finally gave her an issue where if she does feel comfortable, in the offsetting, they are sitting up for success. you can determine how people are portrayed out there depending on the tasks you get, like when donald trump gave mike pence okay, you're in charge of the pandemic. i'm sure he didn't do that because he wanted to see mike pence do well, right? so the biden administration is finally figuring out, let's let each player perform where they feel most comfortable and clearly, the vice president feels very comfortable in this. >> brian, what message should the biden administration, broadly speaking, graft around abortion issues, heading into the midterms? in a way, it can appeal to a

broad sense of voters, perhaps some of the more conservative side, even though they may be democrats. and is kamala harris the best person to deliver that message? >> well, i think the vice president is a highly good messenger on this issue, and clearly feels comfortable talking about this issue. but i certainly agree with carl's. what i worry is sending the vice president to talk about this issue, and i would send her anywhere and everywhere. she is going to trigger law states, two or three times a week from now until the midterms. coming out of this white house on this issue, it's not a substitute for a tension on this issue for the president himself. and for carlos's point, the history of the white house delegating just with a white vice president, and then, not sure to do with him. in -- the voting rights act, after it was clear that we don't have the votes in the senate. and that they were prioritizing infrastructure at the time. and so, i hope this is not a signal. deputizing her on this issue, i hope it's not a signal that they are just trying to keep up appearances by talking about

the issue, but not accompanied it with meaningful steps. because this is a winning issue. that's it's not just a very important issue that matters for a woman, affected in these states, it is a political issue. we've seen the generic valve for democrats shift 45 points in the favor since the decision came out. so to be a political stunt, in addition to everything else, if the biden white house of this issue subdue the finger and sort of treated it ask, when likable crisis that we can call out the vice president. >> all right, panel, stick with me. we are gonna squeeze in a quick break, and come back shortly. but after the break, how the end of roe v. wade will change ob/gyn care, as we know it? doctor kavita patel joins me next. as we know it as we know it doctor the all-new mercedes-amg sl.

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doctor patel writes, quote, almost half of the nations ob/gyn programs are in states that have or will ban abortion, which will create crucial gaps in medical education. this intern will make access to equitable, high quality, reproductive health care impossible, or severely lacking for patients. and doctor patel joins me now. doctor, it's great to see you again. thanks for joining us. tell us more about your concerns. it's not something i have heard before, but once i read your piece, i was, of course, thinking like, yes, there is definitely going to be a ripple effect, not only the practice of the care, but in the training in the medical education, future doctors will receive. >> yeah, ayman, and it goes beyond ob/gyn. that's part of the point i want to make. so i'm an internal physician certified entering. i tweet in emergency rooms. i trained in ob/gyn residency rotations alongside other ob/gyn's surgeons, and other doctors, to understand how to

recognize many complications, everything from pregnancies to a full pregnancy that might not -- that a mother might not want to carry two full term, but maybe start -- these are all things that presents a number of different settings. but all hinged on having that adequate training. with 43% of training programs in states that won't even allow for faculty to develop. ayman, think about this. if you don't have students, fellows, residents and faculty understand how to teach, and actually carry out these procedures, we are even in instruct someone to carry out these procedures with confidence, it's not just lack of access to abortion but, it's everything from miscarriages to recognizing complications of assistive reproductive technology. anything could be on the line, and that's exactly what's happening. >> good medical training programs work around these bands? >> so, yes, there are of course,

medicine like many other areas, highly regulated. and there are deadlines, guidelines for presidency programs in medical school. we have standards and bodies which regulate all of these training programs, and they do, in fact, ayman, require they be some standard. but in the states, those standards are gonna be severely restricted. in states like louisiana, which have one clinic that it can send its residents to, probably have no options for entire state. and that's gonna be reproduced across the country. so, which will likely have to happen is that residency program directors we're gonna try to scramble and try to find virtual options. or, ayman, they might have to try and sent students and faculty out of state, to states like where i practice now, the state of maryland. but they are not -- and of course this creates an equitable access. because which that's the presidency programs at hospitals can send people out of state? once with money, the ones with access. city hospitals, urban hospitals, public hospitals, will be the

last places that have a luxury of sending people. that's gonna become incredibly important issue. and it does not just affect women. it affects all families because reproductive care affects way beyond the person carrying a pregnant thing. >> even if the supreme court makes a move, gears from now, to allow abortion once again, do you think this will still be a problem for women? >> it well, and all we have to do is look at my home state of texas, where many of these restrictions have started for years now. it is very hard to find obstetricians and gynecologists who have had the training in some of the procedures such as a dilation and evacuation. some of these very basic procedures would be considered standard for any ob/gyn or person training these specialties, to understand how to do. but because of so many severe restrictions, again, not just in texas, that's one example, there are very few doctors who actually have that training. and if you don't have training

in that, you can't teach it. and if you don't teach it, the newly hold back generations from understanding this. i'm not saying this lightly. it reminds me of third world medicine. when i go to countries such as mexico, and parts of central america, india, asia, i would see the lack of this training. fast forward, ayman, just 4 to 8 years, because that's the cycle of a resident. just pass for that amount of time, we'll have residents, where that none of the brain is present, and no option in many of these states. it should make everyone pause because that's not what our country is built on. basic health care will be taken away in many of these places. >> yeah, it's an absolutely scary thought. doctor patel, i want to switch gears for a moment, if i can, just before i let you go. white house chief of staff, ron klain, spoke with my colleague syomne sanders about the biden administration's preparations for monkeypox. take a listen to this. >> we've been taking steps to ramp up the acquisition of the

vaccine, to get the vaccine, distribute it in this country. you're gonna hear more announcements about this in the coming days, syomne. we take this very seriously. and we know that particularly, for the communities that are most affected, they need us to get this vaccine where it needs to get to as quickly as possible. that's what we are working on. we want to try to contain the spread of monkeypox, and try to make sure this does not become an endemic of virus in the night states. >> doctor kavita patel, your thoughts on our preparations and our ability to combat monkeypox? >> well, having just made a recent diagnosis in our community here in d.c., with myself, i can tell you that i agree, ron klain is on point with what they are trying to do. but a man, it's not good enough. and i do think we are past the point where we are trying to contain this, and prevent it from becoming endemic. what is really describing is that we want to prevent the communities spread, the community spread is occurring.

i do worry that we discriminated against -- gay, bisexual, entering the populations, i try to say that they are the only ones that are high risk. they are certainly amongst populations that are high-risk, but you are missing some community spread. we've got children with monkeypox diagnosed. we have had people outside of what we would consider high risk populations diagnosed with monkeypox. and that indicates, ayman, community spreading occurs. the administration cannot do it just mentioned by claim, literally, simply putting out easy to understand, the graphics and information, to let people such as you or anybody you know could say, this is an unusual rash. i don't feel so good. i do think i should just get checked out. because little to our sink. we are seeing people present, i don't have any history of travel. i don't have any of the behaviors that people have warned that might be high-risk. but i have an unusual rash, and it's turning out to be positive.

so, good news, though, the majority of cases are self -limited. don't progress oscillation, but the key is getting identified, so that we can isolate patients, so that they don't infect unintentionally infect others. and i think that's where we need to concentrate our efforts on. they don't have enough vaccine for everyone, we are getting more, but if we can prevent people from not spreading it, because they don't even know they had it, that would go a long way in containment as well. >> let's hope they can ramp up the preparations and in the production of those vaccine soon. doctor kavita patel. pleasure. thank you so much for your time and insights as always. up next, the senate plan that is finally taking shape to make sure and other january six never happens again. we will tell you about that. >> this is leastagain. we will tell you about that.

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susan -- had let the push forward, the proposal actually released or has rather, 16 cosponsors, including remarkably, nine republicans. after the legislation was introduced, even mitch mcconnell signal that he is opening to updating the law. back with me now is my sunday night panel. brian, i'll start with you on this one. your thoughts on the proposed changes to the electoral count act? >> the electoral count act means a lots of changes and the reform has been in office for a while now. there's a bunch of steps that this proposed bipartisan legislation would take a welcome, including making it clear, that the vice president's role is ceremonial, limiting the ability for state legislatures to try to change the law after election day two -- with electors. but my friend and former colleague who mitigates voting rights cases more than anybody, has raised concerns in the last couple of days about technical aspects of the bill. he worries for instance that one portion of it may make the

certificate of ascertainment, that governors and power earn power to issue no later than six days before the electoral college is set to convene, but that might be sort of like a final word on who the electors are. and in a state where you have a trump ally and governor, making it hard for -- being pursued, attempts to make -- a popular vote winner. or appoint a slate of electors that would prop up the electoral -- and he worries also that provision sort of seems to favor legal remedies being explored only through federal courts. somebody who you see firsthand, federal courts being taken over by trump appointees for the last several years. i wonder there's going to be efforts at the 11th hour here to make technical fixes here, because i think there's a lot of currency with democratic senators that will be reviewing some of the sections with greater care. >> amanda, the politics of, do

you think it has an actual step chance of becoming law? you mentioned there were nine republicans on board, and if they could all stay united, by that calculation they would be short of one vote to break or not need the filibuster and not require breaking the filibuster to pass it. >> yeah, with those republicans on board and plus as you mentioned, mitch mcconnell was open to it. and i think other republicans could get on board as bryan indicated. you might start to -- democrats are uncomfortable with it and start to see problems. for example, if a republican governor suddenly declares that the slate of electors favors the republican candidate, even though the popular vote didn't, and it goes all the way up to the conservative control supreme court. i think that is, that is not a crazy scenario, and i think that is something that democrats have to take a harder look at. does this actually solve all of the problems, or does it create some new problems we had not

anticipated? so i think it solves some issues. the vp being ceremonial. making it harder for members of congress to challenge a states vote. those are good steps, but i think there are still tweaks they need to be made. for the public to have more confidence that this system is working, and this is an all that congress needs to do. voting rights reform is another thing that has failed in congress. this could be a good stuff, but i think it needs refining so that they don't create more problems. >> carlos, your thoughts. would you make of these proposed changes? >> well, i'm sorry, i've probably been way too optimistic tonight, but i think this bill or this initiative is another example of the fact that good things can still happen in the united states senate. on top of the benefits of the bill, obviously, making it clear that the vice president does not have any discretion,

making it harder for members of congress, raising the threshold so that more members of congress have not just two or three people looking to make trouble are looking to steal an election. but if this moves forward, this is also -- it would be a bipartisan rebuke of donald trump. and on everything he tried to do on the 6th of january. but 2021, congress has not spoken as one body in that regard. i think this would be the first time that members of both parties together with say, as an act of congress, would happened on the 6th of january was unacceptable. we are making changes to make sure it never happens again. >> brian, i want to switch gears if i can and get your thoughts about judicial confirmations. here your group demands justice has taken out a six figure ad five senate judiciary chair, dick durbin's home state of illinois. the pressure him to hold more

judicial confirmation hearings. judicial confirmations is something that the biden administration has, to some, extend prided itself on. why is your group pushing for more confirmation? where are they falling short in this administration? >> it's true that the biden administration, one of the biggest achievements so far in the first year and a half has been judicial confirmations today. they have sent historic mark to confirm more judges to the district level than any other presidents since jfk. the issue is, judges are retiring or terry king senior status at such a frenzy pace and anticipation of seeing it flipping this november. even with this historic pace that democrats have been on they can't keep up with all the retirements. we estimate that at the end of this year the current pace for going will be about 60 seats that are still unfilled. the problem there is of the senate slips in november, mitch mcconnell will come in and we should all be expecting him to

do to those 60 seats when he did to merrick garland, -- democrats have done well, but they need to pick up the pace and that starts with dick durbin including in the month of august. >> let's hope he does. brian fallon, amanda, carlos, thank you so much to the three of you for joining us this evening. and all your thoughts on all the topics we've covered. thank you at home for making time for us. make sure to koch ayman saturdays at eight, sundays at nine. you could stream new episodes every friday on peacock and make sure to follow us on twitter and tiktok at eamonn msnbc. up next, msnbc presents an encore presentation of in the dark of the valley, a documentary exploring the decades long cover-up of a nuclear accident in the l.a. area and the families that are affected. until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin. have a good night. mohyeldin. have a good night. have a good night. for only one dollar

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