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and wasn't willing to say in that video address made the day after january 6th. >> it looks like here that he crossed out that he was directing the department of justice to ensure all lawbreakers are prosecuted. we must send a clear message with justice. legal consequences must be swift and firm. do you know why he wanted that crossed out? >> i don't know. >> they did not represent him or his political views in any form or fashion. >> he also crossed out, you do not represent me. you to not represent our movement. do you know why he crossed that language out of the statement? >> i don't know. >> add to, that the suggest that
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the committee could be on the verge of subpoenaing ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas. he's the committee co-chair liz cheney on sunday. >> the committee is engaged with our counsel. we certainly hope she will agree to come in voluntarily, but the committee is fully prepared to contemplate a subpoena if she does not. i hope it doesn't get to that. >>s the committees to talk about her communications with mark meadows and her attempts to convince arizona lawmakers to help overturn the election. but thomas suspect the only one in the committee's sights. their list of potential witnesses include trump campaign officials and even cab members who discussed invoking the 25th amendment. we have a lot to discuss. let me bring in capitol hill ali vitali. vaughn hilliard, staff writer
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carol lent i guess, and joyce vance is a professor at the university of alabama law school. start with the new video just released explaining what that's all about and why it's being put out now. >> this is a moment the committee is going into a several-week pause before they pick up with hearings again in september. this maybe sort of a reminder that there are still things we have the not yet seen that the committee a has its own hands on, where not just establishing they have the remarks and the draft of the former president for those remarks he gave on january 7th, but also a little bit into the thought process of how they came together. the things he was striking out and unwilling to say. for example, condemning the rioters rz not representative of his movement. or crossing out that he. ed doj to leverage their full prosecutorial power. that gives a little more insight into the mind settle and the
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fact that you have people like ivanka trump and pat cipollone talking about what those edits mean gives a little more light into what the former president mind set might have been around that and also gives more meat on the bones where they left us on january 6th in their committee hearings, which brought us up in the time looib to the day of the insurrection and then gave us more of a sense of remarks that gave on the 7th. this is meant to bolster the fact thaw still have things on the cutting room floor that maybe we vice president seen yet, but we could end up see whg they move forward in with what our reporting is at least two more hearings. >> this committee knows how to craft a tease. i also mentioned ginni thomas. she said she couldn't wait to testify originally, then we heard from her torn who said they hadn't shown enough of a reason for her to testify, because he says she was just expressing her personal voice
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voous in her capacity as a private citizen. is there any question they would be justified in bringing her in or issuing a subpoena for that matter? >> typically, we leave up to the body that's engaging in investigations whether it's congress or a prosecutor's office, the decision making about what information and what witnesses have relevant information for purposes of their investigation. so often times, defendants will try to avoid testifying by saying that they don't know anything. in that case, they can go into a grand jury or other venues and answer questions. it they really don't know anything, that typically comes clean in the interview. but here the committee is well its rights to pusue this testimony. thomas had conversations with key figures. she appears to be a witness who could shed further light on what was taking place at this important point in time. >> so vaughn, you just got back from arizona, which plays into
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all this. how important do you think she could be? >> our at "the washington post" reported she reached out to 29 arizona lawmakers before joe biden wasser is if ied as the sin winner and saying he was in the power of the legislature to overturn the results and send a slate of electors to washington, d.c. to be counted. and ali and i, ginni thomas is a private citizen, but she was very present at superpac fundraisers for trump and pensacola. she is not just the wife of a supreme court justice. she was a conservative influencer and player who knew the likes of everybody around donald trump, his alkey al ryes and u.s. senators, members of the house, ginni thomas in her own independent woman and own independent figure in this investigation. >> there's a lot of controversy surrounding all of that. "the wall street journal" doing an editorial about that.
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quote, i don't think this is about the wife of justice thomas. this is an aattempt to damage the justice himself. this is going to be, if it happens, if there were to be a subpoena, it would be fireworks. >> it plays into the hands of what donald trump is arguing across the country. in all of these speeches he's giving, he's making it himself as well as the united states democratic system the martyr here. he believes or is contending to voters that they are trying to take down him, take down the supreme court, take down the american democracy. that's how he's playing thp. >> have you heard concerns about the way that could play out politically? >> reporter: look, politically, it does put them in a thorny position. it's why we're hearing them say they would rather her come forward voluntarily. it's also why we have seen them over the course of the last few weeks have the ongoing conversations before they are willing to escalate to a subpoena. it's not entirely clear they are
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ready or willing to escalate too a subpoena, but it's still on the table. it speaks to the manner in which they want to speech with ginni thomas about whatever her conversations were with john eastman mark meadows, i would also note that that "wall street journal" framing that i have heard this idea this was all meant to hurt the justice himself, but as vaughn mentioned, ginni thomas is her own independent woman with her own ties and motivations in these conservative circles. the idea that she's doing that and her actions are meant to harm her husband is pretty massaist in its frame. that's why the committees to talk to her. she was the one who is sending those text messages to meadows, who was having those communications with john eastman and others. >> so we'll see whether or not ginni thomas kept what seemed like a promise, but now her
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lawyer says maybe not because the committee want the secret service to keep its promise. they said they were going to testify. and in fact, director murray says they have been cooperating with the committee. adam kingsinger wouldn't speak to that. just haven't said they haven't come in yet. do you have any insight as who what's happening? >> there was a lot of recoiling and a lot of anger inside the secret service and the claim over the weekend that the secret service agents who were in that car with the president on january 6th or witnesses to what happened immediately after, the idea that he claimed that they weren't cooperating anymore because that's not what thaw believe to be happening. now they retained some independent council. this is now a criminal investigation. whether or not some of those important pieces of evidence and texts among secret service
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agents were deleted intentionally. or deleted in a willfully blind way that would violate the law. so that puts everybody on high alert. and probably as part of the reason some of these people have sought independent lawyers. but they are really arguing there are ongoing discussions between the committee and these secret service agents and their council and a date hasn't been set yet. i have to give you one piece of reporting context. there are good reasons for both the committee and for the secret service agents in this instance to both kind of want to negotiate until they never set a date for them never to come forward for the committee the problem is that these two individuals with which are the most prime witness to what happened in the car, the former white house deputy chief of staff, a secret service executive at the time that he served as a politicaled a providers, and bobby angle, the
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head of the secret service detail, both of those individuals, i'm told, will deny there was any real altercation or also suggest that they don't recall such an altercation. that's a problem for the committee if that's what they offer. on the secret service agent side, they don't know all the questions they will be asked. what else will they be pressed to reveal about a president that from all the witnesses i have spoken to, these two individuals heavily supported politically and personally. >> there's a number of things going on here. but when i think about the secret service at large, you can never look at anything as sort of they are all one big monolithic being, but you have the revelation that is new for some people about the political meanings of some of these agents, the allegiance to donald trump, the tleeted texts.
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a number of things that, obviously, don't make the secret service look great. what are you hearing about agents? have you gotten any sense that there's on going concern at large within the agency about how they are coming across here. >> it's an excellent question. i'll tell you the answer in two parts. first off, the secret service is a law enforcement agency. and most law enforcement agent us ises, local, federal, state, they lean conservative. they lean red. so it is not a shock to me that many people inside this agency have told me, yeah, i had a maga hat on my desk. what about it? eeb though this is an independent agecy that's supposed to be full of civil servants that check their politics at the door, deep within the agecy, by this i mean mid-level and low level, there's a lot of concern about credibility. a lot of worry about how they
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look in the wake of donald trump's presidency because he did manipulate them and coopt them into a lot of political she nance begans that are disturbing to those mid-and low-level agent its, who believe this is a political no-fly zone. and and the people elect them. we just protect them. unfortunately during the donald trump presidency, they crossed that line. again and again and again. and it is a problem that is not going to be resolved unless a president takes this bull by the horns, forget the terrible metaphors, but somebody has to do that. >> we heard about what the justice department should do. i want to remind folks and play some of that. >> i hope they have a criminal investigation.
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>> i think it is essential for doj to at least run all the way up, all the information they can, make the determination if they can and should indict. >> violation of his oath of office, the violation of the constitution that he engaged in is the most serious misconduct. >> i find this pressure campaign fascinating. is it helpful? could it be impactful? what you make of it? >> the conversation that you just had with carol demonstrates how dangerous it is for a law enforcement agency to take on any sort of political side. this is what we see from merrick garland. he's an attorney general who is intent on restoring the tarnished image of his agency with the public. he wants to make it clear he does not have political masters. even to the extent that joe biden, who very early went on record with some comments about
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the importance of holding trump accountable and the justice department's response has been a very steadfast. we'll look at our own cases, we'll investigate the facts and follow them wherever they lead. we won't hesitate to prosecute people, put we won't be subjective to political influence. that's what we hear from the justice department. i think that's what's dpoung on inside of the building. i have heard a little bit of a walking back this morning of the pressure campaign with people in congress being careful to say this is my opinion or i'm not a lawyer. i think it's very easy for us to all get carried away because of the strength of the evidence that's coming out of the committee. in many ways, it's overwhelming and forced us to relive the trauma of january 6th, but doj has a very distinctive separate job, which is to bring charges if the evidence supports violations of law. that's real different from the court of the public opinion where the january 6th committee is being very successful.
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>> this is so much. just what happened over the last 24 to 48 hours. and i'm cuious because you travel so much when you're seeing on the ground, what you're hearing on the ground. is there any indication that this is having an impact on the average voter? >> i think this is where two things can be true at once. i was talking to an arizona republican voter in phoenix here, more of a traditional, fiscal conservative. what he saw was vile. he said he would have never gone on to the capitol prems. it was a profest that got out of hand. he condemns it in the strongest words. at the same time, he said he would still back donald trump in 2024. so on one hand, somebody can look at the damning evidence here and believe that there was the right amount of wrong doing, but on the other hand, people can still look at donald trump and view him as a future leaer
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of their party. that's where this political part is so important because literally tomorrow, he's giving a speech in washington, d.c. his first return to washington, d.c. since leaving on inauguration day. and you have pry tears coming up and voters of influenced candidates now. there's a couple big ones ahead. we'll see if these hear vgs had an impact on arizona voters, wyoming voters, missouri voters, wisconsin, michigan, the next three weeks are going to be really telling about donald trump's political future. >> we're going to be on the campaign trail. thank you so much. appreciate all of you. president biden's health ha has improved significantly since last week's positive covid test. we're told in an update that his symptoms are almost completely gone. and today, he's once again working virtually from the white house holding those meetings with black law enforcement executives and labor leaders. mike memoli is at the white
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house. what's the latest from there? >> reporter: the latest memo we received from the white house physician, as the indicated, his symptoms have largely resolved. other than a little hoarseness, that's the main stomp. his blood pressure, his pums, his respiratory rate and temperature are normal. he's experiencing no shortness of breath at this point, which given how we know this virus works is the biggest concern. now as for his voice, when we heard from the president on friday, he said he felt better than he sounded. we're going to get a test of that twice today. first, in the form of some prerecorded remarks that the president is dlifring to a black law enforcement group. and later as he speaks to the main issue at the moment, which is the economy. he's going to be talking about an important piece of legislation to aim at boosting the semiconductor industry here in the u.s. with some ceos and labor leaders. now it's also worth noting that the president according to reporting from kristenwell ker
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is going to ruse his remarks to make some tough remarks about his predecessor. the president going to be making the argument that if you claim to be on the side of law enforcement, you feed to show that in support for law enforcement in all forms. obviously, a reference it would seem torks what we're learning as the january 6th continues its work. some other notes about where the white house is at this moment. we have seen the vice president in public today, kamala harris was listed as a close contact. it'sed negative. as hz the first lady. one impact is the communications director at the white house extended her tenure. she was due to leave her position on friday, but at this sensitive moment, has agreed to stay on for a few days. >> mike memoli, thank you for all that. gun violence and the abortion fight are political winds shifting in favor of the democrats, and does beto o'rourke have a real chance at defeating governor abbott in texas?
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new concerns about the grow number of cases of monkeypox in the u.s. nearly 3,000 reported including now two children. the world health organization is warning simultaneously that while cases have so far been concentrated primarily within gay and bisexual communities, this is no guarantee it won't spread beyond those groups. the biden administration is facing mounting pressure with top ranking members of the house and senate demanding answers on how it plans to handle the outbreak. blain alex ander has more from atlanta. >> reporter: the world health organization declared monkeypox a global health emergency. this is a rare step and the highest alert the world health
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organization can give essentially sending a message to gloenl leersd it's time to start coordinating a global response. the biden administration is promising more vaccines sooens are on the way, but when you look at the number of cases, they have been sharply rising here in the u.s. two weeks ago the cdc had had had a about 1,400 confirmed days. now that number has nearly doubled. we're just shy of 3,000. it's important to note that this is not spread like covid-19. it's not a respiratory virus, but rather it's spread through direct contact, physical contact. experts say right now while it is presenting a majorities of the cases are presenting in men in the lgbtq community, officials are making it clear this is a virus that has and is spreading to any population. in fact, just over the weekend, two children were diagnosed with confirmed cases of monkeypox, one in california, another in washington, d.c. now when it comes to vaccines, the biden administration says in the coming weeks there will be more made available. right now, the supply has been
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low. experts say if you have been exposed or you're at higher risk of exposure, make it a priority to get the vaccine. >> thank you so much for that. joining me now is senior scholar with the johns hopkins center. so this is scary for a lot of people who say now it's growing. could this be worse than we were led to believe? >> it's worse than it needed to be. there was a lot of reactive stance when we had dismtty with testing and difficulty with vaccine. that was going to clearly make the outbreak bigger than it needed to be. there's a tendency to look at everything through the lens of covid-19. not every disease covid-19. we have a tried and true mechanism to stop it. it's the vaccine. it's getting the vaccine delivered to high-risk
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populations. that's what will end this. >> just like that, we just need to get the vaccine out. that's essentially what members of congress are cig. so we have enough? >> we don't have enough. we're using a second generation vaccine, which is only a small supply. it's been a long time since they have ordered new vccines. now they are starting to finally increase the orders, get those mobilized. all of that slowed down how quickly it was available to the u.s. that's starting to get better, but it's going to be sometime before we get all our high risk populations vaccinated we have to start being innovative and prioritizing first doses like they are doing here in new york city. really making sure people are aware they are testing, we have all the resources and using the antiviral. there's a the lot of things that need to be done to manage this better, but it's something we have control measures that have worked in the past. >> because of the coronavirus, many people now are familiar
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with the phrase of global health emergency. but it's rare. it's not something they do very often. so why do you think in this case, was it a preemptive declaration to wake people up? or are we already further along? >> it's probably the best way to think about this is to think about it as galvanizing the world to take action. the actions we knew needed to be taken. this is something that needs to be contained. this is spreading outside of endemic countries and we don't want it to be in more countries. we need people to mobilize resources, vccines, testing, contact tracing, all that needs to start happening. that's what the public health emergency declaration does. >> so much disinformation, as you well know. we have talked about at the beginning and through the pandemic. it made a lot of people skeptical, doubting what the cdc had to say. making it clear to them that
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there's not a lot in science that they feel they can can trust. could that come back now to hurt in the fight against something like a monkeypox? >> definitely going to hurt. that breach that occurred between public health authorities and the public is going to be the long tail of the covid-19 pandemic. if people don't trust experts to be giving them correct information if they think it's political, they are not going to listen on either side. and this is one of the lessons from covid-19 we have to learn. if we don't trust science, if we get politics mixed up in it, it's only going to hurt us. this is going to be something we pay for long into the future. >> it's so good to have you here in new york. thank you for coming outs. we appreciate it. and still to come, the new political movement that appears to be underway in texas. how the uvalde shooting, power grid failures, abortion access
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may have been premature. seismic events from abortion bans to fallout from the january 6th revelations could very well be shifting some political head winds. a growing number of analysts now believe the senate, at least, could stay in democratic hands. and pointedly, in texas, a recent poll shows beto o'rourke has abbott's lead to just 5 points. financial filings also show that bth beth has set a state fundraise record bringing in $27 million from february to june. that actually smashes previous records. for more, i want to bring in a political reporter for the texas tribune. aaron blake is reporter for "the washington post." i think the core question is whether that slew of events, that might seem to work against governor abbott, can outweigh a discontent with the economy. so how do you read the race and where it is right now?
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>> as you pointed out, there's some evidence the fundraising and polling that this race is getting more competitive. i think these events that you pointed out, as it relates to abortion and guns, have really energized democrats. the question is whether it's changing any minds or energiing people inclined to vote one way or the other. abbott's cam payne has said they are worried these events led to more fundraising for candidates like beto o'rourke. they said this before the latest reports came out and prove them true. he set new fundraising record in texas and outraised abbott for the period, given he's the strongest fundraiser he has seen in modern times. >> again, your gut check, how much of this movement toward beto, which we see in the shifting poll numbers, is pinned specifically to those texas
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issues, including the uvalde school shooting and some of the other problems with the state's power grid, for example? how much of it do you think might be related to something else, including maybe that beto a is a different candidate than he was the last time around? >> i think those events are definitely driving some people to beto o'rourke. if you look at the public opinion polling, the way that texas republican leadership has hadled those two issues in recent weeks, guns and abortion, it largely unpopular. polling shows texas voters continue to want stricter gun laws, which texas republican leaders have resisted so far. it also shows having the trigger law that texas has in place banning abortion at the state level, that that's also unpopular. those two issues he's been campaigning hard on, he's on the right side of public opinion as far as the polls that i have
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seen in recent weeks. >> he has been consistent, as you say n that messaging. we have been here before. in 2018 beto came close to defeating senator ted cruz in the closest contest in the state in four years, but he did not win. he raised a lot of money back then too. so let me ask you the question. do you think he's a different candidate or maybe that he's viewed a little differently than he was then? >> it's a good question. i do think that there are some environmental things here. obviously, texas is a state that is trending towards purple. perhaps not as fast as democrats might have liked in recent years. we had the close o'rourk/cruz race in '18. so this is a state that is there to be competitive in the relatively near future. i do think that there's a question when you're talking about a state like texas, is it a state that's just going to
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creep closer and maybe democrats can't get over the top quite yet? i think that the environmental head winds that democrats are facing right now are significant. at the same time, we are seeing in a number of states, we're seeing some of these republican nominee who is are underperforming in the environment. we're talking about the pennsylvania senate race with mehmet oz. they are not running as strongly as you would expect republicans to be running in those kinds of states given where the national environment is right now. texas is maybe a little pith of a different case. governors races can be a little more up and down. they are not necessarily people voting for a legislator, 1 of 100. so it can be defined by local issues than some of the senate races. at the same time, as you get closer to an election, you tend to see people go towards their existing camps. so i think it is very difficult for democrats to pull through in
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texas this year. >> i think one of the other interesting questions, and i'm going to avoid the cliche of let's see where turnout goes, but one thing we do know is it's lower in a midterm than in a presidential. so on the margins, things can have a bigger impact. i'm thinking of the nakt that you see huge numbers of young people who have been motivatd by the supreme court's abortion ruling. will they come out to vote? there have been many moves, and we saw this in patrick's paper, the number of gay republicans in texas who fought for acceptance within the party and are finding quite the opposite. so there is an interesting sort of, if you look down into the polling, sort of question about what of these might actually impact turnout, right? >> yeah. in fact, texas is a state if you have some kind of unusual turnout, that can cause bigger
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shifts. midterm elections lead to somewhat unusual turnout. it's not like a presidential election where everybody is more likely to vote. that's why we have more wave elections in midterm elections. so it's certainly a state worth watching. the question for the democratic party is how much this is a race they want to focus on, how much they want to have donors send this money to this kind of race given other states are more competitive and could decide the balance of power in the senate. >> patrick, aaron thank you both so much. still to come, new warnings from general market milley. why he called china's military significantly more aggressive and dangerous and what this might mean as house speaker nancy pelosi weighs a risky trip to taiwan. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. speaker nancy pelosi weighs a risky trip nancy pelosi weighs a risky trip to taiwan.
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become much more dangerous in recent years as officials are warning of the possibility that china could unvad taiwan. china is issuing a warning that it would take forceful measures if nancy pelosi visits taiwan. president biden has also a advised against that trip. so whether she will make it now is an open question. joining net now is retired general barry mccaffrey, who is an nbc news military analyst. it's great to see you. is general milley right? should we be worried? >> i think so. we have watched steadily over the last five years an increase in extremely unsafe and aggressive actions both in the air and at sea of intersections by the pla. it's not just u.s., it's also canada, philippines, australia, we have seen very aggressive actions in the south china sea with the pla putting armed
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artificially constructed islands, and these rhetoric about taiwan has gotten completely aggressive. a lot of intelligence officials now assess that by 2027, the pla will try to seize taiwan by armed force. so milley, austin, blinken and the biden administration are try ing to create deterrence before we get into a shooting war. >> we know that lloyd austin was in that region recently. the biden administration has been taking these steps to try to expand its military and security relationships with the indo-pacific to try to counterer china's influence. how does that fit into an overall plan when you look at the threat that china poses? >> it's tough. with their economic interdependence between u.s. and chi narcotics the west world was enormous. no one wants to see another
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two-generation confront ation. but we have to be sensible. we have to be pragmatic. china in almost every arena now is taking steps to become a global military power. they are increasing nar nuclear weapons. they used to have around 300 nuclear weapons. enough to just create an skt. now they are going for a war fighting effect. they have totally seized control of china's political system. he's suppressing human rights. it's a surveillance society. so his latitude, to make bad decisions, has increased. i think it's a tough situation. president biden and his team are facing up to it in a very measured, thoughtful way. the allies are concerned. i was in vietnam and they wanted to talk about the chinese threat. not talk about the vietnam war. so we have some challenges ahead
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oufs. >> and how fraught does all this make the potential pelosi trip to taiwan? >> i think most people say you shouldn't go. it's a thoughtless measure at this point to have a politician there. we can get away with having civilian military in taiwan. we clearly don't want to provoke the chinese. i'm not sure what positive can come out of it. there will be some signal, some measure by the chinese in response of pelosi visits. it's not a good idea. >> general, always good to talk to you thank you so much. appreciate it. pope francis makes the first papal visit to canada in two deades. details on the historic apology from the catholic's mission tear rule in the abuse of thousands of indigenous children. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. of indigenous children
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