great group with us. starting with former aide from the george w. bush white house state department police jordan is here. msnbc contributor mike barnicle is here. president of the national action network is here. from a u.s. senator and msnbc political and honest, karen. and associate editor of the washington post. let's get started. we begin with the president biden taking a direct for his inaction during the january 6 attack. >> every day we rely on law enforcement to save lives. on january 6, we relied on law enforcement to save our democracy. we saw it happen.

the capitol police, d.c. metropolitan police, other law enforcement agencies were attacked and assaulted before our very eyes, spirit, sprained, stomped on, brutalized and lives were lost. for three hours, the defeated former president of the united states watched it all happen. he sat in the comfort of a private diner next to the office. while he was doing that, brave law enforcement officer subject to for three hours. they were dripping in blood and surrounded by carnage. face-to-face to believe the lives of the defeated president. the police were there that day. donald trump lacked the courage to act. the brave women and men in blue all across this nation should never forget that. you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-cop. you can't be pro-democracy.

you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-american. >> president biden doesn't talk about january 6 often nor does he talk about his predecessor often. we've heard him use the phrase defeated former president, but he used donald trump's name, which i think underscores the passion he felt about this particular moment. what was striking to you about what was pretty unusual remarks? >> i think it's good. he needs to say out loud the parts that everyone is seeing and plainview. he needs to really get out about this. when the president spent too much time on defense, he needs to get on offense. especially in front of a police audience. he was underscoring they don't back the blue so much when it doesn't drive up with their political goal.

i thought he was terrific. >> he also said you can't be pro-cop and pro-insurrection. >> that was a very appropriate statement. he is addressing the black law enforcement executives. many of us in the black community that have attacked and addressed police misconduct among some have been broadly labeled about people -- by people like trump. many blacks are in law enforcement and trying to get others involved. anti-policemen are people that you brutalize. they are the ones saying that we lives matter. i thought that given his audience and the timing, it was more than appropriate. i thought it was needed coming from the president of the united states. in the last few weeks, we underestimate the gravity of what we are looking at.

we are looking at the attempts to overflow an election. they really wanted to turn around the process of democratic choice in this country. we don't emphasize enough the gravity of that. the president hit it on the head. he had to call the name of who was leading the charge. >> it's about time. he really did need to indirectly address it. the country is so prime to talk about it. receptive after just hearing so much testimony and seeing those images from the january 6 committee. mike barnicle, i'm going to ask you. president biden took a while to directly attack donald trump about this. it reminds me about how eisenhower didn't attack joe mccarthy for a long time and delayed, because he didn't want to give him any more sunlight. what do you think about how biden has finally come out with this?

>> interesting comparison. resident eisenhower, president trump and president eisenhower at the peak of joe mccarthy's rage and seemingly popularity, he was trying to figure out how to get everyone back from korea. president biden has been consumed with ukraine and pulling nato together. what just said about the importance of what is going on in this country and the fact that a lot of people have underestimated it, because of the concern that a normal person has during the course of the day was still confronted with covid, the fact that your children met two -- missed two critical years of school. what is happening to this country politically? it is truly damaging to the soul of the country.

i don't know about you, but watching the clip that we just saw and listening to president biden last night with the full talk that he gave, you can sense a combination of rage about what is going on politically and disbelief. a political system that he has been a part of for years and in a friendly way, he dealt with the operation for over 40 years. things are so drastically changed. you wonder if you wreck the landscape that we live in. >> i think he recognizing it. he is beginning to remember the reason he ran for president, which was what donald trump was doing to the country was doing to our system of democracy. what it was doing to our tradition and mores. the sort of unwritten constitution that a company's a

written constitution that allows us to function as a democracy. donald trump was destroying. president biden believed that when he was in office, he believed that this could self- correct. trump would fade away and be able to get the nation back on track, whether it's heading in a liberal or conservative direction. back on the way it was pre-trump . i think he is now realizing -- i hope he is realizing that this is a deeper and more serious problem. he needs to address it head on. he needs to address it aggressively. i was very happy to hear him doing that. >> president biden's anger about this particular issue. go ahead and do those remarks, despite having to do them remotely, because of his covid diagnosis. what former president trump was

and wasn't doing to stop the insurrection. congressman elaine revealed new testament yesterday showing how the former president edited a speech that was meant to condemn and interaction. she tweeted, it took more than 20 hours for president trump to address the nation after his rose garden video on january 6, which he told his followers to go home in peace. there were more things he was a limb to say. here is the video testimony she released. >> i'm not sure, because it could have started early the next morning. i believe they started that evening, on the evening of the sixth. >> give a statement on the seventh. i stuck with her and talk to her about putting together some remarks for january 7 that we

will put for the president. we felt like it was important to call for de-escalation. >> from what i understood at the time, and from what the reports were coming in, there was a concern about the amendment being invoked. there were concerns about what would happen to the senate. the primary reason -- we did not do it on the six, but we need a stronger message out there. the reason for that was to think about what might happen to the final 15 days of your presidency if we don't do this. you need to get this covered. >> do you recognize what this is? >> it looks like a copy of a draft for the remarks at that time. >> as you can see throughout

the document, there is some words added. do you recognize that handwriting? >> it looks like my father's handwriting. >> in my view, we needed to discuss that the people did what they did. they should be prosecuted and arrested. >> it looks like that he crossed out that he was directing the department of justice to ensure our lawmakers are prosecuted to the senate of the law. we made a clear message with mercy and justice. do you know why he wanted that crossed out? >> i don't know. >> they did not represent him or

his political views in any form or fashion. >> he crossed out, i want to be very clear, you do not represent me or our movement. do you know why he crossed that one out of the statement? >> i don't know. >> can you describe about what he was asking you to do? >> i don't remember if it was a video message or a speech, but i know people were deciding what he should say or do. since i'm always with him, he knew that he could ask my opinion. this will help everything cool down. >> in what way? what does that mean? >> to make sure he delivers the speech or whatever it was. it was within a few days after january 6. >> was the implication that the

president was reluctant to give a speech? >> yeah. >> what do you base that on? >> the fact that somebody had to tell me to nudge it along. let's remember that donald trump didn't want to give that speech. he only was pushed into it, because of the growing chatter that the 24th amendment might be invoked to remove him from office and prevent him from running again. even when he did, he watered it down. >> he crossed out stuff that was most important in terms of sending a signal to the country that he was not behind the insurrection. it turns out he was and he was happy about it. it turns out he was gleeful about what was going on. the most important thing about that speech, which hasn't been talked about very much, is that the people around him were willing to lie in this cover-up on january 7. there is language

in the speech he gave that says, i called out the national guard and local police. we know that he did no such thing. he didn't call the national guard. he never picked up a phone to call anybody except rudy and a few senators he thought would do his bidding. it is really interesting that the vodka, jared and all of them were anxious to lie and make him lie about what he did on the actual date of the insurrection. >> clare's point about lying is everything. that is the whole problem with this whole trump. everyone has been willing to lie for him for so long. it has been constant since the very beginning. as long as they can claim their little bit of power and enjoy their proximity of the president. i am struck that in her testimony, can you imagine that

it was going to escalate to the point where she would be defending his insurrection? that is where it got. there were no guardrails. people who were trying to enforce the law weren't listened to. donald trump was trying to slap the law at every single point and prove that people were willing to lie for him. >> people are willing to lie for him and amplify his lies. we might discuss that a little later in the show. the former president returns to washington, d.c. today for the first time since marine one lifted away from the white house on the morning of president biden inauguration. he became the first modern president to do so and leave early morning on the white house. 552 days later, he is set to speak in a summit hosted by the

american first policy institute at a hotel less than two miles away from the u.s. capitol. it is less than one mile from the west wing. trumps remarks will reportedly focus on privacy safety. the group was founded by dozens of trump allies months after the 2020 election. joining us to talk about this, our friend mark. the book is titled, thank you for your servitude. donald trump's washington and the price of submission. mark, once again, on the book, what are you looking for from the former president when he makes his return to the nation's capital? >> it will be a triumphant for sure. he will get a standing ovation. it will be a red carpet treatment. just a step back, it is striking that he is returning to basically the scene of what was within a mile of the

biggest crime scene in america. it remains the fixation of a lot of people in our government the way he left washington. he left washington with 25,000 national guard troops in the street. it was bigger than the force we had in afghanistan and iraq. anyone who lived in washington or spend time in washington, this is the most chilling few weeks that anyone has ever spent. there is no elegant testimony to the americas that donald trump was leaving behind. the state of things on that day. it is important to take him returning to washington as a precursor of him returning for another term as president, which seems to be what he wants to do. it is likely within the next few months that he will announce that he's running for president. as i say in my book, it is like

the lives have been enabled. the lies have been in the republican party. you can ask ivanka trump and jared what donald trump was thinking when he wrote this out and was thinking about doing the struck statement. we all get the same answer. we try to water it down and try to prevent that january 6 never existed. joined us at the base for his own return to washington as president. >> more in servitude and in the first book, we read about washington as a giant high school or club. how is this town going to react when donald trump is put back in this town for the first time? are people going to flee? are they going to hide?

are they going to throw rose petals at his back? what's going to happen? >> i think the rose petals will be flying. i think a lot of republican washington wishes that this event weren't happening. any attention off of what the current president is going through, inflation and so forth is not good for republicans. donald trump is going to jump right into that again. this is -- the drop about what we were talking about several years ago when after the first book came out was a comedy of manners in retrospect. the whole high school analogy is a luxury. this stuff is for history. donald trump's contribution to history and his legacy is likely tied up in not only what led to that january 6, but the sort of memory of it that has gone on since then and the republican party. it never existed -- pretending it was a normal trip or

something like that. every time he comes back, he draws attention to that day. that is something that most republicans would probably not rather talk about. >> i note that we know the former president is furious that no one was there defending him during the january 6 hearings. he comes to washington and gets to do that. >> he does it in plain sight, which is the most amazing thing of all. we can show all the clips we want from the january 6 hearing. that is basically talking about things in the rearview mirror. he is coming to washington, d.c. with his plan intact. he has never stopped. i bet it doesn't surprise you at all, but you have a former president of the united states who will appear in washington, d.c. today publicly intent and continuingly on his plant -- plan to destroy the electoral

system of our country by talking about the big y about it being rigged and fixed. continue trying to damage nearly every institution of government that is taking care of america and american citizens for over 200 years. he will do it in public. my question to you, what level of astonishment do you have that is so far thus far not a single major republican failure has stood up and taking this guy on. >> it is low, my level of astonishment, because it has been happening for seven years. it is striking. the silence around his return and rehabilitation from elected republicans from the fugitive leaders of this party has been striking, because they don't want it to happen. they want to be done with this guy in large part.

there are some exceptions and some exceptions in the other direction. they have been very outspoken in condemning him. they could have gotten rid of this problem. it would still be a problem. donald trump is still going to have a lot of support in the republican party, but they could have condemned him. they will continue to condemn him. the backdrop and complete silence of permission is a lot less welcoming to donald trump and to what we think is message is going to be, which is that he is wrong and will get it right next time. this is what silence allows. this is what submission allows. this is the path that republicans have chosen. >> trump comebacks to washington and the overwhelming favorite to be the 2024 nominee for president. donald trump's washington and

the price of submission. the very latest from ukraine. president zelensky has shared this video about russia's top diplomat admitting that moscow is looking to overflow zelensky's government. the republican senate nominee from ohio is facing criticism for comments he made suggesting that women should stay in abusive marriages. we will show you those comments and talk about what they say about the state of the gop. will the biden administration declare monkeypox a health emergency? dr. anthony fauci will be our guest to weigh in on in that. president biden continues to downside economic concern. what he says on this busy week for wall street. you are watching morning joe. we will be right back.

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ohio republican senate is receiving harsh pushback this morning after he suggested in a newly resurfaced video that the people should stay in unhealthy marriages vice news published comments last september when he was speaking to high school. he was responding to a moderator who had referenced his grandparents relationship before asking what causes one generation to give up on motherhood and others to stick it out. >> this is one of the great tricks that this revolution pulled on american populists, which is the idea that these marriages were fundamentally -- violent, but they were unhappy. getting rid of them would make it easier for people to ship

spouses like they change their underwear, which will make people happier in the long term. you worked, but it really didn't work out for those kids in those marriages. that is what we should all be honest about. we run this experiment in real time and we have a lot of very rough family dysfunction that is making our kids unhappy. >> in his best-selling book, fans describe his grandparents ms. marriage as chaotic and violent. telling one story where his grandmother licked his grandfather on fire. they had to be saved by their 11-year-old daughter. by the time he was born and credits them as being a stable force in his life. in a statement to vice news, as anyone who studies his issues knows that domestic violence has skyrocketed in recent years. it is much higher among nonmarried couples. that is the trick.

domestic violence would somehow go down if progressives got what they want. in fact, modern societies have made our domestic violence situation much worse. any person would recognize that he was criticizing the regressive frame on this issue and not embracing it. he added that he is a victim of domestic violence. i have seen the siblings, wives and daughters, and myself abused by men. it is disgusting for you to argue that i was defending those men. that is his length and -- lengthy statement. what is your sense as to how reflective they are on whether where the republican party is about women? >> i really don't want to give these comments more air than necessary, because that is what he wants us to do. he wants us to sit around and talk about the most thing that he says.

i don't even know if it's just the republican party, but a lot of these laws around the entire country that are coming to light. i wanted to ask claire about a law in missouri that pregnant women can't divorce their spouses even if they are being abused and pregnant. can you explain that? in the aftermath of roe versus wade, the after law was very disturbing. >> i can't explain it. there is no explanation for what missouri is doing. it is the home of government mandated pregnancy. it is the home of the government telling young girls who have been repeatedly by a relative or stepfather that they must carry that child. it is the home of crazy when it comes to how the missouri legislature has looked at women. i know we don't want to give

him a bunch of airtime on this, but i've got to tell you, we've got to correct what he said. domestic violence has not skyrocketed. secondly, the idea of women having more power in this country has somehow made children worse. the economic changes that have allowed women to a state of violent marriages and protects their children. i am someone who has watched children die because of domestic violence. the women did not have the ability to escape violence. this notion that he thinks he belongs in the united states senate today when he says that somehow women who are in a violent relationship for the sake of their children should stick it out, it disgusting. ohio needs to wake up. this is some scary stuff. this makes trump look normal.

>> i think that trump has normalized inconsistencies and outrage in the republican party. let's not forget that the new leader of the so-called christian rights was donald trump, who was multiple married and had a videotape of saying that you can grab a woman's privates. they act like that didn't happen, so i would be shocked that he was talking about his grandparents in a book and another way where he is sitting . they have normalized saying one thing one day and something the other day. calling that some kind of moral standard and this is what religion is all about. to normalize this, donald trump has achieved that.

of how good you can lie and change her former position and sell it on people is an insult to the intelligence of republican voters and voters that lead to the rights that believe in what they believe. these people believe in nothing. they are not betraying their beliefs, they have no beliefs. >> looking out the political lens, this is another candidate the republicans are nervous about. it is becoming a red state in recent cycles. republicans have many advantages , but they feel that candidates who say are deeply flawed. giving democrats hope that they might be able to retain. we will watch the fallout from these remarks. coming up, a firing debate kicks off the race to become the uk's next prime minister. we will show you a few of the

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joining us, the economist editor-in-chief. thank you for being here. the inflation is top of mind. give us a sense as to how nations across the globe are combating it and where the u.s. ranks in that fight. >> i think everywhere is the concern of inflation around the world. around the world, they see a recession. we may well see another quarter of gdp decline. is it technically a recession or not is the question. may well be the second culture of gdp decline. the big question is, what happens with gas? as you heard, the russians have cut again the amount of gas they are allowing to the pipeline. in asia, the problem is that there covid policy -- everywhere, i think the u.s. is stronger than many. this is an economy that doesn't

feel like. >> more on what you said about the european economy, trying to take another hit with russia and new plans to reduce gas exports. after already coming back to 40% capacity, state owned gas said that it would exports again to 20% along one pipeline. that is the world's largest pipeline were natural gas from russia is exported to germany, then shared throughout europe. last week, limited flow after an annual maintenance shutdown. despite russia claiming due to technical problems, many world leaders have accused moscow of using gas exports to wage a proxy war with the west. i think we should not take moscow at their word for the reason of the reduction. how worrisome is this? if it stays at 20% -- could it be a dark and cold fall and winter or europe to test and

resolve with ukraine? >> i think it is bs. it is a problem that happens now. if it stays at 20%, the europeans can't build up the stocks in the way they were planning to get them through if president putin does count. it has to be at least a high expectation that he will play more wargames. that is a real problem for europe. >> take the next question. >> how would you describe the american economy where people when you talk to them the complaint about the increased cost of gasoline and scarcity of food. when you ask them, how are you doing personally, they say, i'm doing okay, so how do you explain that economy? >> i think you described it as a confusing economy. pretty much, any economist you talk to will take what they say

with a pinch of salt. nobody knows what's going on. we claim at the same time that they are completely right. unemployment is incredibly low and people have a lot of flavorings. my take is that it is flowing and inflation is a problem. how much more aggressively. the interest rate will tip the economy into slight recession. >> let me ask this. a lot of times when we have these discussions, we talk about u.s. and europe. we talk about what putin is doing, but we don't talk about what is going on in asia and africa. a lot of these decisions cause food shortages all over africa and asia. talk about the impact of what is going on in the west on the rest of the world and help and is able to manipulate a lot of

that to get allies in africa or other places. he is using economic and some well foreign policies that are in many ways halted by nations like the u.s. >> one of the biggest shocks is the foreign price of food. the food catastrophe in many parts of africa. ukraine and russia are the biggest exporters in the global market. there is a real challenge there. in the last few days, there has been an agreement between ukraine and russia to get some of the food out of ukraine. no one knows if that's really going to stand, but the one question is, will it get out and will there be more supply?

the propaganda war, because the russians are very effectively claiming two people in africa that this is the result of sanction. it has nothing to do with them, but of course, it does have to do with russia's invasion of ukraine. that is the cause of all of this. african countries, basically saying -- that message is hitting home. there are many people outside the west who blamed the west for this. that is a real propaganda victory. >> the economy is dominating discussion in the uk last night. their first debate between the two candidates hoping to be the uk's next prime minister. >> everybody understands that covid is a one in 100 year event. straight away so quickly that we actually damage our economy and end up causing a recession. we end up with people being out

of work. hard-working taxpayers who do the right thing seeing taxes rise, despite the fact that we plummet. >> you just mentioned three countries. do you want to use the u.s. as an example? their mortgage rates are almost 50% higher. >> you are seeing it. former secretary clashed in their debate. the final election results are said to be announced early september. it comes after current prime minister announces resignation after several scandals and some of his own ministers. conservatives have a choice to make. they can pick a candidate who helped bring johnson down or his loyal secretary who stood by his side. that is a stark contrast.

giving your sense about how last night went, where he stands in this race. >> there was a disagreement and it got more fiery. there is a fundamental disagreement between these two. she believes that britain doesn't have room to prep taxes. there is a huge debt burden and inflation is the biggest problem. only when that is brought under control, can there be more. john today and jump tomorrow, used to believe and she is continuing that. she thinks that they should cut taxes. that is what the economy needs. they are fundamentally different views. you got a real choice there. the weird thing in the uk is that people who are going to elect for next prime minister are not the country, but it is the member of the conservative

party. the concert event -- conservative list and. it is about 180,000 people disproportionately older, male and somewhat further. they are not outraged, but they are going to be choosing the next prime minister. who appeals to the more out of these two? it is really. she seemed like they have very different views. >> you do have a crazy system. at least you don't have the electoral college, so -- i know.

you have a constitution, but it's not written. it's very weird. anyhow, either other differences besides the tax question? that is a fundamental question. do they differ on huge issues, like climate change and attitude towards russia and ukraine foreign policy. does it come down to texas? >> the main difference is on economy and tax. it may be nuanced, but the more interesting things is that those mark a shift on climate, but those are going to be less focused on green then they trump administration was. she is the foreign secretary. the uk is very proud of its role in ukraine. >> will be watching this in the weeks to come.

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the worst wildfire of the year is sweeping across northern california. we have the latest from the front lines.

>> reporter: this is what california's wildfire season looks like and sounds like now. exploding into the largest infernal in the state this year, the oak fire burning near yosemite is also one of the most volatile blazes of the season, torching everything in its path. >> still haven't absorbed this. >> reporter: even with 2000 firefighters on the ground, the oak fire is raging out of control, destroying at least 10 structures, including newlyweds steve and andrea ward's home, which erupted into a fireball. >> she is looking over my shoulder, and this home that we had just gotten married at two weeks ago, it explodes. >> reporter: with 3000 people forced to evacuate, 3200 structures still lie in the path of the fire.

as the blaze breaks off, it moves in multiple directions. firefighters are having a hard time staying in front of it, so now they are using the help of the air attack. but even a steady line of fire retardant isn't stopping the blaze. visible from outer space, the suffocating blanket of smoke has now dropped to hundreds of miles, choking the skies near the bay area. it comes amid deadly temperatures blanketing the country. 37 million people under heat alert in the pacific northwest, where temperatures could rise as high as 115 degrees. back on the fire line, some good news. the inferno is moving towards burn scars like these, where there is little fuel for flames. for some, the damage is already

done. california's most destructive fire of the year certainly won't be the last. >> nbc with the report, and clearly the result of climate change, eugene robinson. you have written about this extensive threat again today. >> yes i have. look, we know what's causing it. it is carbon emissions, carbon and other greenhouse gases that we put into the atmosphere that have warmed the planet. something we have to deal with is that. but we also have to deal with the changes we have already caused. the mega-drought in the west, and the heat waves that you see reflected in these fires. we just had a heat wave here. it is going to the pacific northwest. next, the coastal flooding that we are seeing.

we are seeing this sort of thing around the world, but specifically here. we are going to have to adapt to what we have done. we are going to have to rethink the way we manage the forests in the american west that are prone to fire. we are going to have to rethink how we keep people cool in these potentially lethal heat waves. we are going to probably have to erect some big barriers in front of some of our major harbors and cities to protect them from flooding. so we have to move on both tracks. we have to mitigate climate change, but we also have to adapt to it. >> eugene robinson, please keep writing about it. coming up here on morning joe, we will have more. president biden's comments about former president trump heard meanwhile, there is movement on the doj's

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every day we rely on law enforcement to save lives. then on january 6th we relied on law enforcement to save our democracy and the d.c. police, the metropolitan police, the

capitol police were attacked and assaulted right before our eyes. fertilized. lives were lost, and for three hours, the defeated former president of the united states watched it all happen as he sat in the comfort of his private dining room next to the oval office. while he was doing that, brave law enforcement officers were subjected to a medieval hell for three hours. the police were heroes that day. donald trump locked the courage to act. the brave women and men of this nation should never forget that. you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-cop. you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-democracy. you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-american.

>> president biden with that direct swipe at his predecessor, donald trump, for his inaction. biden made these remarks to the national black law enforcement. still with us, we have former aides to the bush white house, the president of the national action network, msnbc contributor, and former u.s. senator and now a political analyst, claire mccaskill. their words worth revisiting. it is rare for president biden to talk about january 6th. it is rare for him to talk about his predecessor, and it is extremely rare for president

biden to mention him by name, but he did just that, calling out what donald trump did and didn't do on january 6th. >> yes it is rare, but it is also rare for a sitting president to participate in an attempt at an insurrection, at attempted stopping of the certification of the vote. we cannot act like this that occurred was anything less than an attempted coup d'etat which was supported by evidence including that which we have seen now from his former aides. by a president of the united states, that is unprecedented. so for president biden to do something a little bit different, he is addressing something that we have never seen in this country, and i don't think we really grasp the gravity of it. the other thing that i thought was important is that he defined who is pro-and anti- police. because many of us who have been involved in dealing with

police reform through the years have been accused of being anti- police with blue lives matter. no demonstration has ever bashed them and been for physically harming police openly like january 6th, and the president at the time didn't even want to denounce the people for doing it. i think again, the gravity of it, i don't think we really grasp. i think what president biden did was appropriate, and he is talking to an audience that has been taking flack from both sides that needed to hear that from the president at this point. >> you want to talk about anti- police, look at what happened on january 6th. i want to get your take on this, as to why now from this president? who is still recovering from covid but recovering well, per his position, that he took this

moment to be so direct to callout donald trump and january 6th. >> i think he is angry with what is happening to the country. i think he is angry at what is being done with specific intent. the daily attack on our institutions, the daily attack on our electoral system, the way we elect people. the daily attack on government. jonathan swan and axioms this past week had an amazing series about how they are planning, trump people are planning, if they obtain office again, to really destroy the existing government. to destroy it. to fire thousands of people. so i think president biden takes all this in. he has enough on his plate without having to worry about an internal threat, an internal attack on the country. but we have an internal attack occurring daily, and it will continue today in washington, d.c. claire mccaskill, yesterday i was reading a story

in the paper, i think in the new york times about sheriffs groups around the country that are organizing small county sheriff operations from coast- to-coast apparently, a lot of them, are organizing in order to take a view, a look, and investigative look at what happens in their local elections, as if they have a say in local elections. and they are acting sort of as surrogates for what the whole donald trump attack on government is all about. when you stop and think about it, what concerns you most? the war in ukraine or the war on our existing former government? >> that's a tough call, because i think the war in ukraine has huge ramifications beyond just what is happening in ukraine. but i will say this. i think that paying attention to what is going on in

elections is really important from here on out. because we now know that it is possible in the united states to try and steal an election. donald trump has tried to do so. i want to say, mike, and i know you will agree with this, i think one of the reasons that joe biden was so adamant yesterday is that it has hurt his heart to lose the support of law enforcement. joe biden is somebody who has had the soup of law enforcement his entire career. the idea that they have somehow abandoned him for donald trump, i think he really wanted to drive home the point with law enforcement. look at how phony this guy is about supporting you. he would rather call rudy giuliani to try to further the insurrection then make one simple statement that would have protected hundreds of police officers the day of that chaos and violence in the capital. i think he really wanted to drive home the point, that law enforcement in this country needs to take another look at

who donald trump really is. i will say this about the sheriffs. there is two worlds of law enforcement. there are sheriffs that are by and large elected, then there is law enforcement that handles most of the crime in this country. sheriffs by and large are empowered in rural areas that are already, in this country, very dominated by the republican party. so i am not quite as worried practically about this, because it is for a sheriff to have authority in jurisdictions where you could actually have somebody playing around with the numbers. they are not going to play around in very red areas, because they love the numbers in rural america because they favor republicans by so much right now. but it is concerning that they have been pulled into the loop of the big lie in deference to jonathan lemaire's publication the big lie.

>> among the major issues the biden administration is facing on the world stage? u.s. officials are increasingly concerned about china's statements and actions on taiwan. officials fear that beijing may try to make a move against the self-governing island over the next year and a half. this is china is also warning the u.s. over a proposed trip by house speaker nancy pelosi to taiwan next month. meanwhile, the war in ukraine is nearing its six-month mark with no end in sight. russia's ambitions in the country seem to keep growing. russia's foreign minister said over the weekend that moscow's goal in ukraine is to free its people from, quote, unacceptable regime, which clearly refers to president zelensky's government. the biden administration also facing growing cyber threats from iran. the fbi says that iran has been carrying out cyber espionage operations against the united

dates. joining us now, the strategic communications director for the white house, admiral john kirby. admiral, you just heard the list. we have a lot to get to. let's start with the situation in russia. over the weekend a deal was broke that grain could start leaving ukraine again, alleviating what is becoming a growing food crisis across the world, particularly in africa. now twice in the past couple of days, russia has hit odessa, a keyboard city with missiles. how concerned is the u.s. that russia is going to conduct a consistent campaign against odessa? >> we are greatly concerned about these missile strikes at the port of odessa. it certainly flies in the face of commitments that russia made, where we could get grain out of odessa. we are going to be watching this very closely. as we understand it, the inspectors both from ukraine as well as the u.n. and russia are

now showing up in istanbul to sort of manage this and monitor the vessels that are leaving full of grain. we hope that that process goes well and smoothly, because as you rightly said, there is a food security problem well beyond europe. you mentioned africa specifically. but it is global, and this deal could help alleviate it. so unfortunately we have seen this playbook from the russians before, where they make a commitment, sometimes even on paper, then go ahead and violate it. they are claiming they had military targets. we see no indication of that. but it doesn't matter. they shouldn't be targeting at all the port facility there at odessa. >> now the main action remains, of course, in the eastern front there, the donbass. ukraine has been using guided missiles to hit russian supply chains, missile depots, and the like. give us a sense of the state of play there in the donbass.

>> ukraine is using the himars, these rocket systems, and they have been using them quite effectively. what gives them is distance. it allows them to target behind the russian lines. so they are going after command and control nodes. they are going after ammunition depots and supply depots that the russians are using. they are making it harder for the russians to make any progress in the donbass, and quite frankly in the south as well. you are seeing that play out on the battlefield, jonathan, where the progress by the russians is slow. it is uneven. and they have been impeded at various places. doesn't mean that there still is and fighting going on, that it is not still active, but they have been effective, these himars systems, and that is why the president signed out another package last week, to give for more american himars systems to the ukrainians. >> admiral, nancy pelosi has

been talking about visiting taiwan. it hasn't been officially announced because they don't announce travel ahead of time. does the white house view this trip as for getting the biden administration's foreign policy goals? is it unnecessarily provocative for speaker pelosi to go, or is it a show of strength if she decides to proceed with the trip? >> we won't get ahead of any announcements that she may or may not make, but i would say a couple of things. number one, we take very seriously our obligations to make sure that when she travels, that she can do so securely and safely, and that she and her staff have the full range of information and context that they need to make the best decisions. so we are doing that, as we always do with the speaker and her staff. we are making sure that they are fully informed if and when they decide to make any overseas travel, let alone to taiwan. the second thing i would like

to say is that we have taken the challenge of china very seriously. it is a multi-dimensional challenge. it is not just about security, it is not just about military, it is not just about what is going on, tensions with taiwan and cross-strait tensions. it is about china's behavior in the indo-pacific region at large, as well as globally. we take that very seriously, so we are addressing that through a range of u.s. government power and u.s. government capabilities available to us, as well as working staunchly and stridently with allies and partners in the region. we really put a premium on trying to revitalize those alliances and partnerships. five of our seven treaty alliances, most people don't realize, are in the pacific region. so we take that seriously. >> admiral, as we were listening to you talk about africa, it brings back to mind that right now many nations in africa, and i have working

relationships with a lot of people there on the ground, have suffered because ukraine cannot get their weight out, the grain out. you have lavrov there now saying that it is the u.s.'s fault. and then ukraine is attacked in odessa. that is not being translated in africa and other places around the world. my question to you is what is the united states doing to focus on those countries, and to message them that it is really russia's fault, and it is russia's attack on ukraine that really started this problem? they are exacerbating the problem. are we countering the messaging that has a lot of people around the world thinking that it is something that we ought to be sympathizing with putin about, rather than the west and the united states in particular?

>> yes, but it is not just the united states. the rest of the international community is trying to counter this narrative. it is farcical at best for mr. lavrov to go to africa and blame the west for the food security issues they are having in africa, given that it has taken him this long to get grain out of odessa, and you are right. they hit odessa just 24 hours after signing that arrangement. the grain shamans coming out of odessa are important, not just to european food security, but to global food security, particularly in africa. so one of the things we are doing here, is, you saw this when the president was at g7, helping invest in economies, low and middle income nations, economies, particularly those in africa who are looking for alternatives to baloney schemes that are out there that put

them only deeper in debt. secondly, when he was in the middle east just last week, the president made it very clear to everyone just how important food security is as an international issue. you saw those nations also step up to agree to contribute. more funds, more resources, more energy to alleviating the food security problem. but reverend, it can be solved very, very quickly if mr. putin would just do the right thing, and this war, and respect ukrainian sovereignty, instead of threatening their sovereignty and threatening their leadership. and the war, sit down in good faith with mr. zelensky. there wouldn't even need to be a great deal if ukraine's sovereignty and their ability to govern their own economy was fully respected by russia. >> admiral, as you know, the last administration pretty much dissolved the transpacific partnership. what now is the importance, and

what importance do we place upon opening up, continuing to make sure that the sea lanes around china, around taiwan are open and free to navigate? and the other aspect of the question to you is, in terms of new relationships that you were just talking about a few moments ago, what role does vietnam play in perhaps triangulation with china, the united states, and the rest of australia and the rest of the countries in southeast asia? >> we spend a lot of energy, mike, again, working on allies and partnerships in the indo- pacific region. we have the majority of the united states navy based or deployed to the pacific at any given time. we are really trying to shore up a lot of maritime relationships there in the indo- pacific, particularly the western indo-pacific region. you are right. we all stand to benefit from a free and open indo pacific, and that includes the shipping lanes. so much of the world's economy

depends on free, open, and accessible shipping lanes throughout that part of the world. all the nations of the world, you mentioned vietnam, but all the asians of the southeast asian region are critical to that. given how much of the world's economies energy, food, and goods flow through that part of the world. so we are working on this very very hard, every single day. the president, as you know, held a summit just here at the white house not long ago, and the secretary of state was just there recently as well as part of the g-20. so we are putting a lot of energy into this, and we want to make sure that, again, that the shipping lanes remain free and open and accessible. >> security counsel coordinator , retired rear admiral john kirby, thank you. come back soon. an update here. american basketball star

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7:24 on the east coast. we have new information on the investigation into the january 6th attack. marc short, who was mike pence's chief of staff, testified. cameras set up at steve bannon's trial recorded marc short on friday. they are the highest ranking officials known to have cooperated with the doj investigation.

jacob appeared live during a hearing last month. in a programming note, nbc's lester holt will have an exclusive interview with u.s. attorney general merrick garland. merrick garland has been pretty shy about doing press. we know he has come under a lot of pressure in recent months from democrats who are frustrated with what they think is the slow pace of the doj investigation into january 6th, particularly trump himself. we heard from the attorney general last week, who clapped back if you will. interesting time to have this interview, no? >> we are very excited to see if merrick garland is actually going to make news, or if he is going to be very lawyerly and not give us anything. it has been interesting to watch this whole saga of all. there are those of us who could argue that perhaps the obama administration was not as

aggressive as they should have been pushing garlands nomination. but now you look at how garland is pushing trump, and their -- or not pushing trump, and that, that reminds you of that other situation. >> i am slightly concerned that attorney general garland is going to set a record for the phrase, i can't comment on an ongoing investigation tonight. but what do you think the white house wants to not hear from him in this interview, but see from him as the january 6th committee resumes this. >> what mia what we might want to hear from the attorney general, is that he is a mild- mannered, soft-spoken individual. he is a judge in the tones he

takes when he answers questions. but i think first of all, we don't know what is going on internally with regard to this investigation within the justice department. they might be far more along than anyone of us knows. certainly that's a given. but you know, in tonight's interview with lester, i think he will probably be very solid, very certain. he will repeat again that no man is above the law. we all know that. but he is not going to give anything away. he is not going to open up any doors or windows and give us further insight into evidence they have gathered, or direction they are taking. we are just going to have to sit back and rely on the fact that justice hopefully will eventually be done, and the direction that justice takes is a long silent road, and the attorney general clearly is the articulator, no pun intended, of both the long and silent road every time he appears. >> i certainly agree with mike. i have had the occasion several

times of speaking with the attorney general by phone, talking with him in person. he was even coming to meet with some of the ministers and i, but covid prevented it. you just get the sense that as much as we would love to see him move and come out on trump, he is a judge. he was not a prosecutor. he is very careful what he says. i have had occasion to talk to him about civil rights cases and other cases. he listens. he is deliberate. i think it is a matter of his sound and temperament. i do not think that he gives indication one way or the other what they are ultimately going to do. if they ultimately do what i think they should do, and what i think the law says, i think the fact that he shows such balance would give him even more credibility. i hope that as they come to the conclusions that i think are apparent, i don't think we will know until we know. we certainly don't think we will know in an immediate

interview. >> we suggest you all tune into the interview tonight. coming up next here on morning joe, when the pandemic shut down the economy, the federal government sent out an unprecedented order banning eviction. congress passed a massive rent relief program. but how well those measures worked depended largely on the tenant z.i.p. code. that in-depth investigation is coming up next here on morning joe. joe. i would say that to me an important aspect is too... meta portal with smart sound. helps reduce your background noise. bring that sense of calm, really...

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the house rules committee will hold a hearing tomorrow. if democrats want to bring the bill to the floor for a vote. the committee will also discuss the equal access to justice for victims of gun violence act. that bill, sponsored by congressman adam schiff would give victims of gun violence the ability to sue gun makers and dealers. president biden backed the

renewed push for an assault weapons ban in virtual remarks yesterday to the national organization of black law enforcement executives conference. >> to me it's simple. if you can't support banning weapons of war on american streets, you are not on the side of police. year ago, we won the fight to ban assault weapons and high- capacity magazines in this country. i am determined to do it again. on the ballot this year will be initiatives to ban assault weapons. when it comes to public safety, the answer isn't to defund the police. the answer is to fund the police. >> more than 15,000 officers are attending the conference in atlanta this week, where the theme is driving change.

redefining law enforcement and public safety across america. joining us now, the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives, captain frederick thomas, and the organization's incoming president. captain thomas, let's start with you and the possibility of an assault weapons ban. it certainly faces an uncertain future in the senate, but a key step if the house were to pass it, does your organization support it, and why? >> assault weapons, especially for me, i am a veteran of the united states army. i served two tours in combat. these types of weapons have no place in the streets of this community. or of this nation. so i support that. i am pretty sure i know what we are going to do. we have been talking a lot about mass shootings. i think that has gone on a lot

in america today. >> captain thomas, one of the things i don't think a lot of americans understand is that black law enforcement officers, and for that matter others of color on the ground face every day some violent crime. many that want to question them for being police officers when we fought to get them in the office, a lot of you are change agents on the inside. i think you have been at the forefront of that. when you are coming out against assault weapons, you are not coming out as some lefty or somebody who is anti-police. you are the guys that face this every day and try to convince the community that law enforcement can be corrected, and we need them, and we do not to shy away from that. talk about the burden of having to enforce the law, and at the

same time, communicate to the community that this is what we try to fight for. good policing, and we try to be good policeman ourselves. >> yes sir. we know it started in 1976. 16 law enforcement officers gather in washington, d.c. to discuss this. they came together to talk about this. they said, we are the community, and we need to start bringing more people into the ranks of law enforcement. we can continue to talk about things that is going on, but it is a bigger problem than just weapons. the community just needs the resources to help all the community, not just law enforcement. all the community needs to be trained. when this organization came together, that was one of the main purposes, was to get them

together in 1972 to discuss these things. we got law enforcement executives all over the nation here, that is what is needed. >> captain andrews, lisa jordan here. it is such a big conference with so many participants from so many walks of life all over the country. what is the mood among the men and women who are at the conference about the challenges in their communities that they are facing with protecting the public? >> one of the moods is optimism, because the pandemic had kept us apart for several years. but at the same time, i just want to mention that i am a retired deputy chief from detroit, and we just buried one of our officers that was killed in the line of duty, lauren court. what i want the public to know

is that our officers, we are of the community. we live in the community. we go to school in the community. we send our children to schools in the community. and we are faced a lot of times with the same challenges in dealing with police as citizens are. so we are working through that. conversations like this allow us to talk about how we can better serve the community, and how we can interface and integrate with the community, and how we can work with partnership. one thing we learned here is that having the opportunity to interact with our federal counterpart takes all the law enforcement agencies. it takes all the community. we had a conversation with new yorkers, and i told them that we need to look towards a multidisciplinary approach. all of us need to come

together. medical, professional, law enforcement, our policymakers, our health professionals. there is no one-size-fits-all. we have to look at it through a different lens now. >> chief anders, you are a living symbol of what it means to be a police officer, and you know better than most. you served the detroit area. being a cop means you have to have several elements in order to work well. you need courage. you need trust in your partner who you are working with. you need trust in your department. you need streetsmarts in order to get up every day and do your job. and you need judgment. that might be the most important part of all. judgment that comes instantaneously in a tough situation. so my question to you isn't about the day-to-day judgment of cops. my question to you is, how can so many police officers, human beings who have street smarts, and have courage, how could

there judgment be so skewed as to trust this con man donald trump? >> well i really don't want to speculate on that. i can't speak for other officers and their thoughts. you know, some might have critical thinking skills that might be a little bit less than others, but i wouldn't want to speculate on that. >> all right, we will leave it there. frederick thomas and chief brenda andrews. thank you for joining us. here is what we have next on morning joe. we will talk with the chairman , who believes in his party's

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from a pbs documentary called facing eviction, which tells the story of what happens when millions of americans could no longer afford housing during the height of the pandemic. the director facing eviction joins us right now. bonnie, thanks for being here. you and your crew spent a year on the road, i believe, talking to those impacted by what i can only describe as an eviction crisis that resulted from the pandemic. tell us a little bit more about what you found. >> actually i couldn't go on the road, because it is important to remember that nobody could travel during the pandemic heard so we realized early on that things will be critical during the pandemic. we were able to find teams of reporters that would go out to the field and identify tenants who were at risk of losing their home and sort of embed with them. these people were so grateful to invite a stranger during this time to their home.

during the course of these months we follow these vulnerable tenants, then we realized we wanted a 360 look at it actions. it wasn't just the tenants, but all the people involved and tasked with carrying out and enforcing an eviction. it was a no-win situation for everybody involved. >> during the documentary we meet several families impacted by evictions. let's take a look at one mother and daughter. >> the greatest indicators of eviction are being black and being a woman, or having children. we know that black people are two times as likely to be evicted as their white counterparts after controlling for education and other factors. we know that the single greatest predictor of eviction is the presence of a child. >> i am glad that i have the daughter that i have, because not all kids are so understanding and accepting. she fuels my energy. she knew that something wasn't right. she was expecting that something was going to happen.

but one thing that she knows is that mommy is always there. mommy is still here. so it must be okay. >> bonnie, when you look at the segment that you race gavel as the fact that we are doubly as unemployed. even in a pandemic, it becomes even graphically exposed of how we have different lives that we live in america still based on race in the 21st century. how do we deal with that when you have different states, different cities dealing with eviction and dealing with what is allowable or not allowable by law, even when the whole country is facing a catastrophe? >> it was really disturbing to find that the people who are most disproportionately impacted by evictions are single mothers of color. and what we found, too, that was another surprising thing, we

have these federal moratoriums on evictions and federal ways to address the problem. it really came down to where you lived. so if you were a tenant facing eviction and you had a sheriff sympathetic, they might give you another week before you could go to court and plead your case again. a judge might say i'm sympathetic to you and i'm going to give you 60 more days. it came down to where you lived. so it was very patchwork. >> were there any places that you dealt with the law of this, the humane way that the policy standpoint? what was the best place and what was the worst place? >> so we went into it, every journalist asks that. the best and the worst. there were no easy answers. every place was mixed. so texas, which is traditionally and historically friendly to landlords, they did some things that were rogue. they had a supreme court that lifted the emergency order that gave judges discretion.

but at the same time, they were the first state in the country to look at the problem between evictions and landlords and to mandate this program where judge hs to help plaintiffs and defendants. can you please try to work this out. if you do, i'll give you 60 days. the landlord doesn't want to evict because they lose the money. the tenant doesn't want to evict because it's so easy to forget, but our world slunk down those four walls we lived in. and that was everything. if you lost your job like a lot of people had, those tenants were so vulnerable. so for them, it was everything. so texas stepped up and did this mandatory eviction program that's being looked at as a possibility for a national model moving forward out of the pandemic. >> there's also the side of the issue. you spoke with some landlords about the struggle of no longer getting rent. >> in los angeles, diane golden said her upstairs tenant stopped

paying rent. >> when the pandemic first happened in march, i was like everybody else. what does this mean? and as far as being a landlord, i didn't project or see anything. i didn't put anything together in terms of eviction moratorium, what is that? none of that came to mind. as a matter of fact, the first month that my tenant didn't pay, i think it was in march, and i told them. i said, yo know, if i were working i wouldn't either because everything is so uncertain. next month, he paid. then he'd skip again. no problem. i trusted him. i figured he will pay me back. i didn't know if or or when my tenant was going to pay rent. so it's like having your hands tied behind your back.

>> watching, i wonder whether it occurred to you that you're watching a cycle here, a cycle of unemployment, a cycle of people on both ends of not big landlords, but small landlords like the one we just saw being hurt by this cycle. and the children especially. the cycle that involves children. the cycle of poverty that your mother has been displaced. you have to move. you have to go to a different school. it's nearly endless. did it occur to you how hard it is to keep up hope that something might change? >>s that's a really important question. and a thoughtful one. one of the first things we did is read a book by matt desmond who runs the eviction lab out of princeton university. what was a surprise to us was that his point, and he's researched this almost better than anyone, that getting evicted throws you into -- it

hurls you into a hole that's very difficult to climb out of. so it's not just a symptom of poverty and the challenges associated with that with disrupted schooling for your children. it's not just a symptom, but a predictor. it catapults you into this world that's very hard to climb out of. >> thank you so much for being here and for making this important film. "facing eviction" premiers tonight on pbs and it will be streaming as well. still ahead, new numbers show democrats have narrowed the gap ahead of november's election. the person whose job it is to get democrats elected to congress will be here. and later despite the w.h.o. decliring monkeypox a global health emergency, and the hhs success tear saying his level of concern over the virus is a 10 out of 10, why is the white house itself yet to declare it ab emergency? dr. fauci will be here to

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's tuesday, july 26th. just about 8:00 a.m. our third hour here. i'm in for joe, mika and willie. still with us we have white house and state department a lease jordan. the host of "politics nation", the reverend al sharpton. and former senator claire mccaskill now an msnbc political analyst. two senators tested positive for covid-19. joe manchin and republican lisa murkowski of alaska. manchin tweeted he's experiencing mild symptom asks is graflt to be fully vaccinated and boosted. murkowski is experiencing flu-like symptoms. both say they will continue thundershower work remotely.

these are just the latest of a wave of covid diagnosises. minnesota tina smith just returned from quarantine yesterday. and this latest outbreak threatens to derail the democrats jam-packed agenda and an extremely critical time. before leaving for a month-long recess in about two weeks, democratic leaders hoped to pass a series of long sought-after items. those includes bills to lower prescription drug costs, codify same-sex marriage and boost domestic production of computer chips. but with some the democrats now working remotely, and in particular senator manchin, the chances of reaching agreements on those measures now seem slm. covid-19 isn't the only factor working against the democrats. yesterday the senate was forced to postpone a key vote on the computer chip bill after many

members had their flights impacted by bad weather that plagued washington and other areas. but the picture seems to be geting a little better for democrats. according to an analysis, democrats have closed the gap. now only separated by just 1 point. the closest the democrats have been in six months. it's the late nest a string of positive trends for democratic candidates. last week a poll of registered voters by insights finds democrats ahead on the generic ballot for congress by 7 points, 49 to 42. and things could get better with democrats poised to pass major bills in the upcoming weeks if covid and the weather cooperate. joining us now is the chair of dccc representative maloney. good news. it looks like you're doing your job. >> i should probably say thanks.

>> this is tribed for most of this year as a challenging environment for democrats to hold on to the house. the margin is slim. we also know the party that controls the white house tends to lose seats in that midterm election. those are bad signs as well. but it does seem like the ground has shifted somewhat in part because of what we're all talking about. inflation still remains a concern, but it feels like other issues like abortion rights have moved to the forefront. >> it remains a challenging environment. we're crystal clear about that. we're the underdogs. but i would say four things have changed. first, and most importantly, roe v. wade being overturned has reset the map. in addition, you have seen a horrific reminder of the consequences of gun violence with the mass shootings. republicans are doing nothing about it. and you're also seeing extraordinary work from the january 6th committee. those three things and the fout thing would be gas prices are

down 50 cents in a month. and i think that if those trends continue, and if we just execute well, what you're seeing is an underlying strength of our candidates, which have consistently outpolled the president by double digits in their district who is have four layers of deliverables from the rescue plan to infrastructure bull to community projects and individual legislation that is lifting them in many cases 20 points ahead of the president in job approval, we're going to win this election. >> someone who knows quite a bit about capitol hill has the next question. >> congressman, i know that the major consideration for midterms is enthusiasm. who shows up, who is going to vote. and i think things you just jout lined are important, but i was so unbelievably shocked when i looked at the paper this morning and saw what i think maybe the most reliable predictor of enthusiasm and that's low donor donations. right now in america, everyone

can give $10 online. and that has been very important to combat dark money. i was shocked when i saw that democrats had a 20% increase in the last quarter in low-dollar donations, while republicans had a 12% decrease. so that means their rank and file are not very excited about giving $10 to republicans right now. speak to that and how that impacts what is going to happen in the closing weeks of these primaries and, obviously, in november. >> senator, you're so smart to notice that, to focus on that. let's be clear. these are all public numbers. we're beating the pants off the republicans at that level. the front line, those 37 candidates right now have a $130 million cash advantage as we sit here against all their

republican opponents. in addition to that, the committee i run, the democratic congressional campaign committee, has consistently beat the republicans. we're beating them month to month, quarter by quarter and cash on hand. and enthusiasm, that outrage after watching 50 years of reproductive freedom ripped away is real and it's going to have consequences. where republicans are beating us is in one area. the big dark money that comes flowing into their outside so-called independent expenditure groups. that's a real concern. they will have all the money they need and that's the worst kind of money. >> kamala harris continues to meet with lawmakers about access to abortion, which has become a defining issue. she spoke with reporters after landing in indiana yesterday pressing the importance of the issue. >> we are clear it should be that woman's decision, not the government telling her what to do with her body or her life. and no one has to give up their

faith or their believes to agree that the government should not tell somebody else what they should do. it should be a personal decision. >> the vice president's visit came ahead of the state government's special legislative session to consider bills that would ban abortion in the state. at a roundtable in indianapolis, harris called out male lawmakers legislating women's health care. >> maybe some people need to actually learn how a woman's body works. but when you understand how a woman's body works, you will understand the parameters that are being proposed mean that for the vast majority of women by the time she realizes she is pregnant, she will effectively

be prohibited from having access to reproductive health care that would allow her to choose. what happens to her body. >> are you seeingenen news yasm hold among voter when is it comes to democratic voter when is it comes to anger over the are peel of roe v. wade? is that going to be sustainable? do you think it will continue through the election? >> i think this is what's different about roe v. wade. it's not only a massive change that affects people when they hear about it, it's also going to persist through the fall. you see a number of states now with this decision. you're seeing those stories come out and they are going to grow of episodes of that poor 10-year-old who had to travel to get health care. i think it's building. i don't think it's receding at all. sometimes we see that with gun

violence. it peaks and then people forget about it for awhile. i actually think with roe v. wade, this is a game changer. i think as gas prices come down and inflation comes down, the anger on roe v. wade is going up. i think those lines are going to cross real quick. i think they are going to pay a price for it. >> congressman, as i move around the country, i hear a lot of black and brown voters saying while we didn't get the john lewis bill, we didn't get the voting bill with john lewis was named after or the george floyd policing act, what are we getting from democrats? a lot of exchange after roe v. wade. but i still do not get the enthusiasm that would drive a turnout. i think polling is good, but did you've got to get the people that vote out to the polls. do you feel that with the polling and the fundraising that people will be more relaxed now

saying, well, we're not really in trouble, and i really didn't get all i wanted and the turnout, you have to turn people on to turn people out. the turnout is what's going to be critical. >> i agree with that, reverend. i do think we should point out that support for reproductive freedom is highest among african-american voters. 88% of african-american voters don't want the government making this decision. many believe that abortion is a complicated moral issue, but the government making this decision is overwhelmingly unpopular among african-american voters. we see that clearly in the research. to your point, i'm with amanda goreman on this. you remember what she said in her inaugural poem? she said, we're not broken. we're just unfinished. we're absolutely unfinished when it comes to voting rights and other things. but my goodness, we are a couple votes in the senate and holding the house away from that next layer of accomplishments that i

think people will really appreciate and need in had their lives. so my plea is to keep going. we're not just talking about it. we have invested in unprecedented amount, $30 million in trying to engage a year earlier than before our most reliable voters, african-american voters, particularly african-american women. also of course, hispanic voters, so we're putting real resources in the field and on the ground and we're doing it earlier than ever. but you bet. we need voices and the community saying this matters, and you have to show up. >> we want to get your take on this story as well. former president trump will return to washington, d.c. today for the first time since marine one lifted him away from the white house on the morning of president biden's inauguration. 552 days later, he's set to speak at a summit hosted by the america first policy institute at a hotel less than two miles from the u.s. capitol, the sight of the insurrection, and less

than one mile away from the west wing. this continues the former president's steps back to the political arena. there's a lot of speculation he's going to be running for president again and may be declaring that campaign even ahead of this kbheer year's midterms. i assume your message to that would be run, donald, run? >> yeah, bring it on. i think if he's running early, it's because he's running scare ed. he's hearing footsteps coming up behind him because his fear is many of them are in his own party, and he's smart enough to know that. if we can just pull the lens back a little bit. i don't know about all of you, but the revelations that have come out of the january 6th committee are far more serious than even some of us on the floor and experienced it firsthand could have imagined. the direct involvement, document under oath of people at the highest levels including the president. these are very serious, probably

criminal actions. i want to see them all held accountable. if you ask my personal opinion, they should all be in jail. i think it should be in a county jail. >> do you know who has a pook about the trajectory of donald trump and the big lie? jonathan lamire. i remember at the beginning of trump's political rise, there was plenty of democrats and republican who is thought that donald trump would be easily defeated. so they encouraged donald trump a bit and thought he would be an easier candidate. what's the position the dccc when it comes to the far right candidates reasons with you actively doing anything to help candidates that you think might be easier to beat in november? >> we have a high bar for that. i think if you're going to do, that you need to unveil what you're doing. if you're talking about trying

to procure an opponent, you might see us do that. and i think sometimes it does make sense. we're largely telling rt voters it's important to them. you might see us do that. i'm sure we're going to talk about where, but i think if your question is whether trump is a good thing or bad thing, it's not just about trump. this is not just about trump. although it can seem that way sometimes. the fact is that it's about maga republican movement that is defined by serious things like the attack on our democracy, the restriction of voting rights, taing away women's reproductive freedom. and doing nothing about guns. and taking in total, that's the kind of extreme agenda that voters in swing districts like mine, in the suburb districts that are going to decide the house, this doesn't work. so i'm curious about trump and the candidates they are pushing.

ask if you let republicans back in power, it is going to be those maga republican who is take away your rights, your benefits and your freedoms. we need to stop it. >> your charged the trajectory of how trump rose to power and the enablesers that did it along the way. do you think republican leadership has learned their lesson at this stage in the game? or are they still afraid? >> the book traces how he had lots of accomplices. there was hesitation among the republican establishment and the news corp. were cool to trump. once he came the force in the party, they jumped in. and he hijacked the republican party. and the conservative media to do his bidding. the book lays out that he spent years conditioning them with big lies, big and small, to trust that republicans had in institutions like the media and the federal government. he could lie about the inauguration, the path of a

hurricane, suggesting it might go into alabama, but far more dangerously in those examples, he used the power of the federal government to reverse engineer that he was correct. he had national park service doctor images. he had the noaa were made to change forecasts so it made it look like he was correct. and that is what laid that set the stage for the big lie and using the power of government to try to overturn an election. and it certainly seems like to this point, most republican hs not learned their lesson and they are eagerly embracing him and maybe they wish them to declare his candidacy after the midterm, but right now, he will be received in washington, d.c. today. >> i think the real significance of your book is that how thorough this big lie was. in terms of getting organized

groups of government to really fall in and support the lie. it wasn't just i agree with the congressman. it wasn't just the personality donald trump. he was able to get all kinds of things to weigh in to where people actually changed facts and lead his way into what was erroneous like crowd sizes or things of that nature. for our people, our nation to be able to understand where we need to go, we need to really understand how we got where we are. we were lied to and many of us believed it. and many people want to hold on to those lies for different reasons. and i think we've got to be real clear that we have been lied to and to the point of even try ing to overthrow an election and that this is bigger than just democrat or republican. it's about saving the republic.

>> jonathan, i think so many things are important about your book beyond the big lie. the way you lie out that lying has been a way of life for donald trump is how he did business, how he ran for office, it's how he held office, it's how he bent government to the will of his lies. but speak for a minute about the complacency of republican leaders, and what is it about this guy? why weren't there more that spoke up and said, you know, i remember republicans coming back from meeting at the white house going, he just sit there is and lies to us. and i would say, well, why aren't you saying anything? you know, it will take care of itself and we'll stop his worst instincts. speak to the entire party that now has made lying a part of public service.

>> republicans have been showing a display of cowardice since before trump was even elected. we remember ted cruz during the republican national convention in 2016 stood up there and didn't offer an endorsement. he said vote your conscience he was booed. within days, it was clear the tors of trump was overwhelming and starting to just flood and defeat ted cruz's career. he backed off and became one of his most loyal supporters. the book details about how after the insurrection, after trump left office on january 20th, kevin mccarthy went down to see trump and apologized for the harsh language. that shows just how firm his grip still remains. and that is who, if not trump,

trumpism is still there. >> that really infear rating. i work with kevin mccarthy. we were all there on the floor that day. we watched those cops in a fistfight with a bunch of thugs. innocent people got hurt. a sacred space was attacked. they are all a bunch of sheep and shouldn't be holding gavel. that's what's at stake. if kwour going to put maga republicans behind the podiums holding the gavels, you're going to get more of that. it's dangerous. it's also wrong. i also think it's not too much to expect in america that somebody in that party have a backbone and can stand up to this nonsense. it sure as hell ought to be the next guy whose speaker is not kevin mccarthy. i hope people vote because that's what's at stake. >> congressman, thank you so much for being with us this morning. a final note.

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emergencies until you finish your covid, mister. monkeypox is spreading rapidly across the united states and dozens of other countries. cases have been detected in nearly all 50 states soaring from 1,400 less than 2 weeks ago to nearly 3,500 nationwide today. at least two of the latest cases have been found in children. health experts say this virus is marked by painful lesions and sores, which are spread throughout close physical contact. joining us is the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases dr. fauci. thank you for joining us again this morning. we have a couple things to get to. let's start with the state of monkeypox. how concerned are you for what you're seeing as cases seem to surge across the country? >> well, certainly, we always have concern when you see the

surging of cases of a disease that's a virus that's not a new virus that's new now that it's doing in spreading. you have to note that there's about 99% of the cases associated with men who have sex with men. that's the group that appears to be most vulnerable. the transmission is almost certainly through close skin to skin contact. we have knowledge of the virus itself. we know what it is. we have antiviral therapies. now we reach out to the community at risk to also keep an open mind that, as you mentioned, recently two children were infected. very likely due to contact with someone who had been i want infected. now what do you do about that? you try to get the interventions

to the population at risk and keep a an open mind of where this virus is going. is it concern for the general population? it doesn't look that way from the ep deem logical pattern, since it seems to be highly concentrated among men who have sex with men. it's the population with an open mind set that we have to focus our efforts on outreach, getting therapy, getting vaccines and getting tested. it's something to be taken seriously. >> dr. fauci, there's been complaints from that group that not enough has been done. what is the reason behind in their estimation the slow surge of vaccines to those impacted by this as well as the lack of declaration of an emergency from the white house? >> let's take one of those

questions at a time. obviously, when you have a situation that's evolving, you want everything in place right there. the initial response had been in what's called a post exposure to get vaccines to people who are at risk because there's a known contact with someone who is infected. since we're seeing cases that are community spread has now evolved appropriately to have a balance not only for post exposure, but to get people at risk and to vaccinate them in a preexposure. now obviously, out necessity, that's going to require a lot more vccines. so right now, there's been about 323,000 doses of vaccines that have been distributed. hopefully, and i believe it will happen by the end of the month and maybe within the next few days, there will be another 800,000 vaccines that you can

now broaden the net of protection with the proper balance of cases, namely giving it to locations that have high number of cases such as new york, los angeles, and other cities, but also give it to people and have it in place in locations where just by the population, there are people at high risk. that's the now. the shifting in the approach towards vaccine distribution, but you always have to look at a situation like this and say we've got to do better than we have done because this is a serious problem. and we're going to be doing that. and i think the 800,000 doses that will be coming shortly will solve some of the issues that are of concern among the community. >> dr. fauci, as we see the vaccines being brought in shortly, will we also see an aggressive campaign to get

people vaccinated and get people to understand what we're facing? one of the things that you were effective in doing, as we saw the pandemic spread, is you worked with getting the message out, the conference of national black churches and others that you were there on the ground. are we going to see an aggressive campaign of aware thans will drive people to use the vaccine, particularly where the demographics say there are a higher percentage of people that may be the susceptible people to get this virus. >> you got that right. you hit the nail on the head. there are four pillars to this. there's testing, treatment, vaccination, and outreach to the community. we have to outreach to the community predominantly at risk, men who have sex with miskmen. but the way you and i did back

in the day, we have to do it without any stigma. when you have stigma, that's the biggest enemy of public health. i agree with you sto 0%. outreach to the community is going to be a very important part of this effort. >> dr. fauci, as you have explained, monkeypox is primarily spreading among men who have sex with other men. however, the two outlier cases, the two pediatric cases, what can you tell us about how that transmission happened and what parent cans do to protect their children? >> it was very likely that a person, this is being investigated by the cdc, that a person got infected because that person very likely had sex with a bisexual man, got infected and then in the normal interaction between a mother and a child, you have close skin to skin contact. that's very likely the way it happened. but this is under a active

investigation by the cdc, so i don't want to say anything definitive about that. but that's almost certainly how that happened. >> dr. fauci, beyond monkeypox, we are still dealing with the coronavirus and cases surging across the country. the new highly contagious variant has become dominant. and that appears to have been what president biden got. white house doctors are saying he's doing well, but we wanted to ask you to speak to this. you had covid not that long ago and were treated and suffered a rebound case. symptoms returned a short time later. that's the same medication that the president is on. how concerned are you that could happen to him? and how bad were your symptoms? >> well, you're correct, i was infected. i had a rebound after about three days. my symptoms were mild throughout the entire. i never stopped doing anything i was doing.

i did all of my work virtually. so i wasn't sick. hi a runny nose and sore throat. i had a fever for about a day or even less than that and responded well to tylenol. i didn't take any tylenol and it was gone. so that's the situation. rebounding is something that is still now under investigation that when you look at the studies, it generally does not occur very often. there have been cases that looked like it's occurring more than the original show. with regards to the president, the president will be tested frequently. again, right now, he feels very well. he's finished his five days. and we're going to have him continue with hiss activities and depending on the tests over the next couple days, he's going to be out and about. >> dr. fauci, we're glad you're feeling well. thank you for being here. up next, we'll play some alarming comments from ohio's republican nominee for senate.

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american populous, which is the idea that, okay, these marriages were fundamentally maybe even violent, but certainly unhappy. so getting rid of them and make it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that's going to make people happier. maybe it worked out for the moms and dads, but it really didn't work out for the kids of those marriages. that's what all of us should be honest about. we have experimented in realtime and what we have is a lot of very, very real family dysfunction that's making our kids unhappy. >> in his best-selling book, vance described his grandparents marriage as chaotic and violent, even telling one story where his grandmother lit his grandfather on fire. who had to be saved by their 11-year-old daughter. vance explains that their marriage improved by the time he was born, and he credits them as being a stable force in his life. in a statement, the campaign

responded in part, as anyone who studies issues knows, domestic violence as skyrocketed in recent years and is much higher among non-married couples. that's the trick i referenced. domestic violence would go down if progressives got away they want, when in fact, modern society's war on families has made our domestic violence situation much worse. any fair person would recognize i was criticizing the progressive frame on this issue, not embracing it. he added, i'm an actual victim of domestic violence in my life. i have seen siblings and myself abuse bid men. it's disgusting for you to argue i was defending those things. that's his lengthy statement. but obviously, his remarks so striking raised a lot of eyebrows. what's your sense how reflective they are about where the republican party is right now about women? >> i think jd vance is a troll,

so i don't want to give these comments more air than necessary because that's what he wants us to do. he wants us to sit around and talk about the most incendiary things that he says. the republican party, i adopt know if it's just the republican party but a lot of these laws around the entire country that are coming to light. i wanted to ask claire about a law in missouri that pregnant women can't divorce their spouses, even if they are being abused if they are pregnant. what is that? can you explain that? it's in the aftermath of roe v. wade, reading about that law was very disturbing. >> i can't explain it. there's no explanation for what missouri is doing. it is the home of government mandated pregnancy. it's the home of the government telling young girls who have been repeatedly raped by a relative or a stepfather that they must carry that child to

term. it is the home of praising when it comes to how the missouri legislature has looked at women. and i know we don't want to get into vance, but i have to tell you. first of all, we have to correct what he said. domestic violence has not skyrocketed. secondly, the idea that women having more power in the country has somehow made children worse, that the economic changes that allowed women to escape violent marriages and proekt their children, i am someone who has watched children die because of domestic violence. because the women did not have the ability to escape violence. so this notion that he thinks he belongs in the united states senate today when he says that somehow women who are in a

violent relationship for the sake of their children should stick it out, it's disgusting. and ohio needs to wake up. this is really scary stuff. this makes trump kind of look normal in some ways. coming up, donald trump is facing several legal challenges right now, including a lawsuit from one of our next guests. congressman eric swalwell is suing the former president over the violent insurrection at the capitol. the california democrat explains that, just ahead on "morning joe." em docrat biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v that, just ahead on "morning la. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex.

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the employment rate is still on the lowest we have had in history. 3.6%. we still find ourselves people investing. my hope is we go from this rapid growth to a steady growth. and so we'll see some coming down, but i don't think we're

going to see a recession. >> that's president biden yesterday saying he doesn't believe the gdp numbers being res leased this thursday indicate the country is in a recession. joining us now is the economist editor in chief. thank you for being here. let's start that tl with the economy. the inflation is top of mind here in the united states. but globally as well. give us a sense as to how nation ace cross the globe are come pat batting it and where the u.s. ranks in that fight. >> absolutely around the world. and pretty much around the world, there's fear of recession. as you heard the president here worried about, that we may see another quarter of gdp decline. in europe, germany may see second quarter of gdp decline. the big question is what happens with gas. as you heard just today, the russians have cut again the amount of gas they are allowing

through the pipeline into europe. that's the biggest problem. is it going to face an energy shortage. and the problem with china is its zero covid policy. so everyone recession is a problem, i think the u.s. is probably relatively stronger than many. i'm here now. this is an economy deep recessi certainly. >> unemployment numbers are still showing, but prime to take another hit with russia announcing new plans to reduce gas exports after already cutting back flows to 40% capacity. russia said yesterday it would crimp exports again to 20% along the nord stream one pipeline, where natural gas from russia is exported to germany and then shared throughout europe. last week limited flows resumed through nord stream one after an annual maintenance shut down. despite claiming the cuts are due to technical problems many have accused moscow of using gas to wage a proxy war with the

west. we should not take moscow at their word for the reason for the reduction. but how worrisome is this. if it stays at 20%, is it a harbinger of a dark, cold, fall and winter for europe that could test resolve to stand with ukraine. >> unfortunately, yes. i think this is not a technical problem. it is a very coincidental problem that happens now. the real risk is that if it stays at 20%, the europeans can't build up the stocks in the way that they were planning to get them through a winter. if president putin does cut the gas off, i think given what he's doing now it has to be at least a high expectation that he'll play more war games with gas going through the winter. >> mike barnicle. >> how would you describe an american economy, when people complain about the increased cost of gasoline and the scarcity of food items and the

cost of meat and chicken but you ask how are you doing personally, personally i'm doing okay. how do you explain the dichotomy of that kind of economy? >> i think you just described it as a confusing economy. i think really pretty much any economist you talk to now, you take what they say with a pinch of salt. no one really knows what is doing on. your completely right, the consumer is in strong shape and unemployment is low and people still have a lot of savings from their stum lus checks and so forth. i think my take is it is slowing, inflation it a problem. what happens going forward depends on what the fed does. how much more aggressively does it raise interest rates and will that tip the economy into a slight recession or something steeper and i think it is -- the fed is really what there is to play for. >> zanny, let me ask this. a lot of time when we have these discussions, talk about the u.s. and talk about europe and what putin is doing and the impact, but we don't talk about what is going on in asia and in africa

which a lot of the these decisions cause food and oil shortages all over the continent of africa and asia. talk about the impact of what is going on in the west on the rest of the world and how putin is able to manipulate a lot of that to get allies like in africa and other places only because he's using economic and some of his foreign policies to do what has been in many ways halted by people, by nations in the west. >> you're absolutely right. one of the biggest shocks hitting people in the world right now is the soaring price for food and frankly the food catastrophe in many parts of north africa because ukraine and russia are the biggest exporters of wheat in global markets and many other agricultural products. in the last few days there has been an agreement between the ukraine and russia, to get some

of the food out of ukraine but within hours they sent a missile to odessa, the port there. so no one knows if that is going to stand. so one question is will the grain get out. will there be more supply from africa but the other as you say is the propaganda war. because the russians are claiming two people in africa that this is the result of sanctions and it has nothing do with them. but it does have to do russia's invasion of ukraine. that is the cause of all of this. but president putin's foreign minister lavrov is in africa right now as we speak and going around african countries saying all of the west's fault and the fault of sanctions and that is hitting home and are many people outside of the west who, if anything, blame the west for this and that is a real propaganda victory for putin. >> thank you so much for being here today. we enjoyed it. coming up, a headline from nbc sports asked will brett favre face federal charges in

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welcome back to "morning joe." as we look at a hazy los angeles. we're just about the top of the fourth hour here this morning. i'm jonathan lemire, elise jordan is still here. we're filling in for joe, mika and willie today. we have a got to get to this hour, including how donald trump removed lines from prepared remarks the day after the u.s. capitol riot. language that would have called for prosecution of the attackers. we'll show you the new testimony that the january 6 committee just released. this comes as two new trump administration officials testified before a federal grand jury. the highest ranking trump

official so far known to have cooperated with the justice department. we'll tell you who they are and why it matters. plus we'll speak with democratic congressman eric swalwell who is suing former president trump. looking to hold him accountable for the capitol insurrection. and it is a big day ahead on wall street. as earning season gets underway, and one major retailers has already cut its forecast blaming inflation. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will be here to break it down for us. we begin with new developments surrounding the justice department's probe into the january 6 capitol attack. two top aides, the former vice president mike pence testified before a federal grand jury including his former chief of staff mork short who was with pence during the capitol attack. also testifying, pence's former white house counsel greg jacob. both were subpoenaed by the justice department, but nbc news camera set u