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as we get closer to 2024. for the former president, it's his first time back in d.c. since leaving office 553 days ago. and he will be speaking at a summit literally around the corner from the white house he left, refusing, you'll recall, to be part of the inauguration and the peaceful transfer of power. he will lay out a vision for public safety and crime, although trump has proven in recent speech, he manages to stay on topic for just so long before reverting to his old grievances about the 2020 election. on the other hand, his former vice president spoke at a d.c. conference this morning trying to look to the future and taking a shot a the his form boss at the same time. >> the good news is we have a once in a lifetime opportunity. to save america from decline and decay brought by been those progressive policies and to build a governing majority that will last for generations.

but in order to win, conservatives need to do more than criticize and complain. we must unite our movement behind a bold, optimistic agenda that offers a clear and compelling choice to the american people. >> if that provides a preview of the republican primary, the man who holds the office now had had his own takedown of the president he beat. taking a rare step into the trace around january 6th. >> the capitol police, the d.c. police, other law enforcement agencies were attacked and assaulted before our very eyes. for three hours, the defeated former president of the united states watched it all happen. the police were heros that day. donald trump lacked the courage to act. the brave women and men in blue all across this nation should never forget that.

you can't be pro insurrection and pro cop. you can't be pro insurrection and pro democracy. >> i want to bring in vaughn hilliard, who is covering the former president's return to washington. kimberly atkins is a "boston globe" columnist. and doug height, former communications director for the republican national committee. so doug, mike pence's pitch pretty straight forward. i'm looking forward. others like trump are looking back ward. is that enough though? can it work? >> i don't think we know yet if it will. we don't know what donald trump is going to do. not just in his speech, but overall in the next coming months, two or three years. donald trump is still the alpha dog of the republican party. there's no doubt about that. but his star has faded a little

bit. this gives mike pence or ron desantis an opportunity because these hearings have damaged trump in a way that republicans want to back way. that's why mike pence wants to look forward and not backwards. >> vaughn, what are we expecting from trump today? >> well, trump spokesperson tells me he intends to focus on public safety here. but the former president will take this where he so desires. we have seen over these last weeks at campaign stops that the former president made on behalf of the candidates continued defense of the investigations that are presently looking into his role in january 6th insurrection. he's going to be delivering this speech in just under two hours from now. just eight blocks away from doj. just a mile and a half from the u.s. capital, one mile from the white house where he spent those hours watching the attack unfold on the afternoon of january 6th. but i think it's also important to note who he he's addressing

here today. what brings him back to washington for the first time in a year and a half. this is the america first policies institute. this was an organization that started in the months after donald trump left the white house. this is made up of dozens of former cabinet officials, white house senior staff, other administration officials here who have laid down groundwork for when republicans were to take back the house, the senate and potentially the white house in 2024. around the idea of the so-called america first agenda. i asked an official with the organization whether donald trump was he the best fit to do that for republicans. and he told me, quote, donald trump is still the leader of the america first movement. that goes to show the alliance this party apparatus still has with the former president. of course, this is notable here just a mile away from where former vice president mike pence delivered his remarks earlier this morning. >> such interesting stuff. on the other side, you pointed

this out in your article today. president biden has largely steered clear of trying to talk about january 6th. he's letting the democrats on the committee do that. but this was kind of a preemptive strike. he seemed to be saying this guy who is coming to town to talk about law and order, he's the lawbreaker. what to you make of that message? do you think that's what democrats are wanting to hear from him right now? >> i do think a lot of democrats are surprising he's been on the sideline when it comes to this conversation we're having about january 6th and the future of american democracy. remember, he had promised to restore america to its pre-trump days, to move us beyond trump. his view of that he shouldn't be talking about trump all the time. he wants to have his presidency, not relive the trump battles over and over again. there's a thirst for him to be more of a fighterer and really

engage in this battle we're seeing over the future of the system basically. and i think he wasn't addressing an organization of police officers. black law enforcement police executives. i think that gave him a reason to address this. his point, as you just played, you can't be pro cop and pro insurrectionist. he's speaking to a police audience saying don't let donald trump pretend to be pro law enforcement when he is, as you said, accused of being a lawbreaker. >> and obviously, there was an opening there. the group he was talking to, but i know you have been talking to a lot of democrats. if you can expand on what we just heard from peter. is there a sense that most of the democrats you talked to want the president to be more aggressive or how are they looking at this so early before 2024 as they are setting the stage for what the democratic party is going to look like. >> yeah, so polling has shown us

that generally speaking, democrats are jittery and they have been giving president biden relatively low marks that he's been a disappointment. it's unclear to know if that presents real peril for him in 2024 or if they won't vote for him again if he runs or if it's a general sense of dissatisfaction. one problem is that this was a problem of biden's own making when he ran. he referred to himself as a transitional candidate, transitioning to the post trump era. and that created this it's where democrats were able to see in him during the 2020 election whatever they wanted to get them to vote for him. but now after being on the job and some being disappointed he hasn't pushed through voting rights or gun bill, or that he hasn't acted on forgiving student loans, others don't

think he's been forceful enough talking about donald trump. there's this open room for everyone to be disappointed. so at this point, he's going to have to try to show i can be the leader into the future if he runs for reelection certainly as donald trump prepares to announce what it likely going to be another reelection campaign for him. >> i guess disappointment is exactly what would be opponents of donald trump are looking for. and we have heard that trump's been frustrated with the polls that show ron desantis is leading him in some states. there's an op-ed in "the new york times." it says to the extent that trump is stuck litigating his own disgraceful conduct before and during the riot, a rival like ron desantis doesn't need the lukewarm trump supporters to believe erg everything the committee reports. he just needs them to regard january 6th as an embarrassment and trump's behavior as feckless while presenting himself as the

candidate who can turn the page. so i'm wondering, what's your assessment of the electorate right now and are there a pretty big middle sort of lukewarm trump supporters, many of whom said i'm holding my nose and voting for him. who are now very much up for grabs. >> it's interesting. i was in missouri last week. what saw is lake of the sarks and i have gone there every year for four years. what i said to a friend of mine is i see less trump flags than i saw the year before. he said a lot of those flags have come down. some of them are let's go brandon flags, which is a whole other conversation. but republicans are trying to turn away from donald trump. they were embarrassed or don't want to have the day-to-day focus on all things trump as we have had for the past four years. they are looking at ron desantis, a nikki hailey, a tim scott, whomever that may be.

mike pence is now entering that equation as well because there's exhaustion. that's where the hearings have really been important. it gives those republicans another way to say good-bye to donald trump and put him in the past. >> your article noted that trump hasn't tried. the he just says people are lying. that's pretty consistent with what he's said when being accused of wrong doing over the years, whether it was in business or politics. you wonder where that leaves him with those for lack of a better phrase, lukewarm supporters. i don't know that anybody is expecting him to try to mount what would actually amount to a defense. >> that's one of the things that's been striking. these hearings are one sided. they are nine members, all of whom already made up their minds about what their donald trump's role was. there's no opportunity for president trump to present a

defense or cross examine the witnesses. that's the choice president trump and kevin mccarthy made not to have representatives on that committee. but as a result there has to be a pushback other than president trump's social media. that social media is about witnesses against him rather than attacking the facts. he's not rebutted the facts that have presented that. he hasn't said he did something on 6th that we're not aware of. he had evidence of real fraud in the election that hasn't been presented out there. there's no defense whatsoever. it's strictly attacking the witness kind of response. and i think that obviously suits him, suits a lot of his rally goers, but i think that the point that a lot of republicans are looking at. is there an exhaustion factor. even if people don't want to renounce trump, are they tired

of the whole drama around. they are looking for a trumpism, but not trump. >> there's one other thing that strikes me as i have been watching the two of them and how they are separate operating. that is that pensacola is sticking to an old playbook. he's been going around the country, being supportive of republican candidates doing what presidential candidates do. but trump has blown up so much of what's traditional in politics. i wonder if that even matter anymore. >> i'm not sure it does either. it's remarkable that mike pence is launching what seems to be a precursor to a campaign in such a traditional way when he's learning in realtime, seeing evidence that donald trump knew that the insurrectionist mob at the capitol wanted to hang him.

and he essentially defended that mob. he's not coming out and simpy saying, look, i supported trump's policies too. you saw me standing right thex to him, but i can do that without calling for people who want a public official to be hanged. that would be a campaign call to distinguish himself as being the standard bearer without supporting trump. but be he doesn't want to do that. there's still that fear of angering trump and potentially angering the people who voted for him, which is quite remarkable. >> kimberly, vaughn, peter, doug, thank you all so much. as we look ahead to the 2022 elections and beyond, we're asking this. how old is too old? new data that suggests there's, quote, a shared desire among democrats and republicans for a new generation of political leadership. plus the latest wild weather. you name it, historic rainfall and flooding, fires, extreme heat. first the doj ramping up its

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after weeks, maybe months of public pressure, the doj appears to be ramping up its criminal can investigation of the january 6th capitol attack. a source telling nbc news that former vice president mike pence chief of staff appeared under subpoena before a federal grand jury on friday. he was with pence at the capitol during the insurrection and testified before the house committee back in january. "the wall street journal" is reporting that greg jacob, pence's former legal counsel, also appeared before the grand jury. now we don't know yet what either side said during testimony, but their appearances do signal the investigation into january 6th is expanding beyond

those who were there that day and those involved in the so-called fake elector scheme. joining me now is correspondent ken delney paul but butler and you wrote in the latest story that the the live hearings played into public pressure for the doj to hold trump criminally responsible. i don't know if they played into these two pence aids testifying, but what to they bring to the table? >> the justice department investigation is secret. we should be humble about how little we know about what they are doing. but there's no doubt when i talk to people familiar with the merrick garland, there's a perception that the massive avalanche of evidence we have seen in these public hearings has put pressure on the justice department to intensify its investigation. there's no doubt that these two people are key witnesses and really represent sort of a different category of witness. these are the first people that

can bring investigators inside the white house and talk about meetings, particularly mark short was involved in a meeting on january 6 4th during which john eastman tried to pressure mike pence to hold up the certification on january 6th. and mark short knows exactly what happened in the capitol during the attack, what mike pence was thinking and feeling, who was talking to him. so crucial witnesses here that can really expand the government's understanding of what happened and much different from the participation in january 6th or the people involved in the false elector scheme. >> as you know, the key question in that expansion is does it point to donald trump and the third hearing before the committee focused on the efforts to strong arm pence and did include testimony from both short and jacob. if prosecutors are going after members of trump's inner circle who attempted to overturn the election, is logically trump himself the target here? >> we know that short and jacob

are both key witnesses to dth dth's support of the fake elector scheme teen ian though trump knew it was unconstitutional. they were at that meeting where john eastman admitted the scheme would lose at the supreme court 9-0, but that didn't stop trump from pushing it. so this conduct is the basis of this that opinion from the federal judge that there's probable caused that donald trump committed crimes like obstruction of congressional proceedings and conspiracy to defraud the united states. >> can there's a lot of talk about this, but let me play how the january 6th panel has been reacting. >> this goes much closer to the top than what we have previously seen. the want department of justice started from the outside and worked in. just how far they worked their way in, we don't know. but this is certainly an indicator they are ratcheting up

their investigation. >> the fact that we have this information because this is not a place where it's a sieve. we're not getting a lot of information. very little we know about what's gong i think on. could it have been a leak that was meant to answer critics, that was meant to say exactly what merrick garland said last week or earlier week that we're doing this. we're on this. >> i wouldn't assume that because don't forget mark short was caught on camera by the many cameras that were right outside the washington, d.c. federal courthouse for the steve bannon trial. at the reporters they didn't realize, but we quickly figured it out. i wouldn't attribute that to a justice department leak, but i do think the congresswoman is correct there that the thinking really inside the justice department has changed substantially in part because of what they saw in those televised

hearings. merrick garland has been leaning against the idea. decisions are yet to be made, but there was a great resistance to investigating and indictsing a former president of the united states, but now there's so much evidence that's been made public that's so damning that it seems to be that we're in a different ball game right now. >> as we know simultaneously there's the georgia probe into the election interference there. now a judge ruled the da cannot question georgia's republican pick for lieutenant governor because he say it is would be harmful to the integrity of the investigation that he took part in a fundraiser for the candidate's opponent. so walk us through the ramifications of that. >> they are minor ramifications for the georgia investigation really all it means is that this one witness can't be handled by

this one prosecutor, but if there's criminal expelture, another prosecutor could work with this witness. meanwhile, this prosecutor while she doesn't have the 11,780 witnesses that are the number of votes that trump solicited illegally, she's got a major case. there's not a race between the department of justice and the da and the house panel. in fact, if there's evidence to support charges in the federal and state level, conceivably the district attorney of atlanta and the united states department of justice could both bring charges against former president trump. >> could you see that happening, paul? >> i do. i think there's expelture on the state and federal level for some of the same conduct. it's not unheard of for people to be prosecuted in both state

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all eyes are on the federal reserve ahead of tomorrow's key decision on whether to raise interest rates, and the biden administration is in the midst of a campaign pain to convince voters the economy is doing okay despite inflation concerns. the president and members of the economic team have been out in full force pointing to strong jobs growth and low unemployment numbers. but the consumer confidence index, a survey of how a person feels about the economy fell for the third straight month. growth is negative. the u.s. economy shrank in the first quarter of this year. the second quarter gdp is anounsed this thursday. and inflation remains high as you well know amid slower consumer spending. those basics, eggs, chicken, bread, more expensive compared to oner year ago.

joining me is christina. so the textbook definition of recession is two consecutive quarters of negative gdp adjusted for inflation. thursday's numbers are expected to be negative again. the white house does not want to call this a recession. what's really going on here? >> it's a common definition we keep talking about because it's easy to sit at two quarters of contractions. but we at cnbc put out a survey. we survey economists and investors and a recent fed survey shows 63% of economists that we surveyed believe a recession is coming because of what the federal reserve is doing. the federal reserve is hiking interest rates. and at 55% of those people we surveyed, they believe a recession is going to hit in the next 12 months, some pointing to as soon as december. that runs counter to possibly in a recession right now. there's a few reasons and that's because unemployment isn't as bad as we have seen in the past.

and consumers are still spending. some are dropping that spending because of inflation, but they are still spending. >> so to the biden administration strategy, they have been plan keting the air waves making the case after biden said yesterday this is not a recession. i want to play with the national economic council said when asked about on this network whether this is a recession. >> we're in a transition it feels unique because it is unique. we have never come out of a global pandemic while dealing with the economic impacts of a land war in europe. so we are in unique territory. >> he said unique many times after that as well. if that's true, we're in unchartered waters for sure. post pandemic, how does that impact the way a lot of the economists do this, if it's a recession or not, and their ability to predict what comes next, which also means how to deal with it.

>> that's a pretty tough question for anybody to answer, regardless if you have been schooled in working for several decades. we see in the future they didn't get it right in the past. what has to happen though, what has to happen for things to change is that inflation needs to come down. it was 9.1% for the month of june. that's the highest level in 41 years. the second point is we need to see unemployment rates soar. yes, unemployment claims are people filing for unemployment insurance, those benefits actually increased last week to 8-month high. so we're getting worse. there are more and more people being laid off and filing for claims. but in order for things to change, both of those factors, inflation needs to come down and unemployment needs to climb higher for the federal reserve and all those economists over there to slowly stop reducing rates and cutting them actually. which may not happen for awhile. >> we will be talking about this for awhile to come. thank you so much.

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tens of thousands of people lined up for hours outside a football stadium in canada where pope francis is celebrating mass. it's a day of reference for indigenous catholics, a group that is the focus of what he's called his pilgrimage. yesterday the pontiff offered a swooeping apology for the evil committed by so many christian against the indigenous peoples. joining us is christopher white, vatican correspondent, who is traveling with the pope. good to see you. how has the reception been for

the pope so far? and more specifically, what's the reaction today to yesterday's apology? >> thanks for having me, chris. one of the things about this trip is that the tone and tenor is different from other papal trips. normally there's an atmosphere of celebration. because of the serious nature of this trip, we have seen the pope take a very somber tone. that being said, among those i have spoken with here, there's a lot of hope, anticipation that this apology from the pope will turn a page in terms of the church's relationship with the indigenous people here. but they want to see actions. they want to see what comes next. so we'll see what happens next. >> he's seated now. a lot has been made because he cancelled a trip to africa about the pope's health. what's your observation? i saw that you tweeted a picture. you were talking to him on the papal plane. what's your take on how he's doing? >> we did see him walk around, like you said, for about 20

minutes on the flight over. it was a long flight, about 11 hours from rome. he was walking with a cane, which is more than we'd seen him walk in a long time. he's been really confined to a wheelchair for quite a bit the past few months. but he really wanted to make this trip. he seems tire presidented. he does seem engaged. he sort of threw his security detail in disarray because he insisted he be taken in his wheelchair over to people that had gathered nearby. this is the pope that loves to be close to the people. thaps how he communicates. so even though he's in a wheelchair, he's trying his best to make the most of it and through gestures to speak. so i think he's not letting that sort of physical condition confine him too much. >> i'm smiling because there's nothing security detail loves more than being thrown a curveball. thank you for that. and by the way, welcome to the msnbc contributeer family. looking forward to more of your coverage coming forward. meantime, that 85-year-old

pope, his recent health challenges raised a lot of questions about whether he might become the second straight pope to retire. it's part of a larger conversation reverberaing throughout politics as well. with doctors having the ability to keep people alive far longer and in far greater numbers than ever before, the conversation has turned to whether there is such a thing as old to keep some of the highest profile jobs in the worltd. there's a new op-ed that urging joe biden to retire. the average age of democratic leadership is 82. and there you see it. mitch mcconnell, 80 years old. as the associated press puts it, in a nation faltering along seemingly every conceivable divide, there's a shared desire among democrats and republicans for a new generation of political leadership. joining me now are two people who have written a lot about this recently. john lieber and annie karny.

two perfect people. john, let me start with this story you wrote because you wrote about this issue. you argue that the real issue is that ageing leaders don't make room for the next generation, which brings long institutional memories and relationships, but they can also be seen as out of touch with the direction of country. do you think we're already seeing some of these concerns play out? what impact might they have in november 2024? >> yeah, there's a trade off here. one of the appeals of joe biden and the reasons he was elected president is because of his age. he has a long institutional memory in washington. he has a lot of friendship ace cross the aisle. and part of the pitch he made in 2020 was that those constitutional relationships would help him repair the damage that's been done over 4 years of the trump administration. we haven't really seen that play out. you have deep polarization, high levels of partisanship and a

really difficult time getting anything done on a bipartisan basis. so age isn't the asset that politicians want to make it out to be, why wouldn't they set aside and make room for the next generation? there's a lot of younger politicians out there, we're going to see this in the primaries, who are going to be vying for the top slot. maybe their time has come. >> annie, you wrote about the concerns surrounding dianne feinstein. she's 89 years old and sometimes struggles to recall the names of colleagues, has little recollection of meetings or television conversations and at times walks around in a state of beud the thement about why she's dogged by questions about whether she's fit to serve in the senate. so where does that leave her? more to the point, should we expect leaders who are pushing 80 or already in their 80s themselves to do something about it. what's going on with that?

>> the situation with senator feinstein is kind of sad. it's widely acknowledged among her colleagues on both sides of the aisle that there is an issue with her memory. the problem at this age is there's not a lot of people who feel comfortable having a conversation with her about it being time to step aside. her colleagues don't want to do it. her family doesn't want to do it. it's hard to get people who have been really an institution like senator feinstein to see for themselves that it's time to move on. so that is a bit of a different question. her situation isn't really a unique position to have in congress. we have seen a lot of ageing male politicians over the years who have had to be wheeled in to votes who are have aids whispering in their ears, who don't seem to have a full grasp on what's going on who continue to serve. at the end of the day, it's up to voters to decide if they think these people aren't fit to

represent them anymore. >> i think one analysis is that there's a level of respect, obviously, for the history. whether it's the senator from california or others who have aged, put for what they have accomplished over the years. that doesn't mean that people who want to unseat them aren't willing to say anything about it. i want to play part of a political ad for a candidate for congress. he's running in new york against two incumbents who are twice his age. he speaks openly about the generational divide. here it is. >> the incumbents have had 30 years. they failed s. we're in a generational battle for our rights. that's why we need to elect new democrats. i have experience fighting for democracy and i'm an obama democrat. when we lead with hope, we win. if you want change, vote for change. i'm suraj patel. i live in new york and that ad is everywhere. remember presidential debate

when reagan was famously asked if he was too old. he was 73 to be president. and he said i'm not going to exploit political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. but i wonder if it these days a clever quip can lay fears, especially talking about people, a decade or more older. >> i think one of the challenges when going after someone's age is that the most reliable vetoing set are elderly americans. so pointing out that somebody else is geriatric and not qualified, that might not be a message that resinates. there are some who themselves recognize that they aren't what they used to be. so perhaps you could make some end roads there. but the age issue is a tough one given how unlikely that younger voters show up relative to their older peers. >> implications for both of the leading candidates for president.

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the defense team for wnba star brittney griner today is calling witnesses that she brought cannabis into russia accidentally and used it for medical purposes to treat injuries, not as a recreational drug. joining me now is foreign correspondent matt bradley. what exactly is the defense trying to show here? >> reporter: it is a complicated case. remember that brittney griner pled guilty a couple weeks ago. she said she was possessing the vials with cannabis oil in them. the defense is essentially arguing, yes, she committed the crime and trying to show a lack of intent, saying that she threw the bags together in a rush and had the cannabis oils prescribed by a doctor in arizona. that those were things

essentially what she didn't consider a crime and rushing to pack. she had no intent to use them while in russia but a big mistake and amounts to here is just the griner team throwing themselves on the mercy of the court and wasn't trying to distribute the drugs illegally and just made a mistake and will the court please be lenient on her. >> there are no parallels between the u.s. and the russian court system and in the u.s. it is unusual for a defendant to take the stand on their own behalf. do we expect to hear from griner at some point? >> reporter: we do, tomorrow. she was in court today and didn't speak but left up to the defense team. probably hearing from her tomorrow and apply the same

approach and defense team to ask the court for leniency. she pled guilty which is not the end of a trial in rub. judges in russia do have the ability and in sentencing to really weigh a lot of different factors why, not as severe and suspects are normally found guilty and same time the judge has leeway and can and will consider her if she is emotional and pleads with the court saying this is a mistake. >> thank you for that. ukrainian president zelenskyy released video of an alleged russian missile strike. the caption reads people were relaxing and living. they wanted to shoot.

they will be held responsible for everything. that strike is the latest targeting southern ukraine shipping grain. john kirby spoke about the shelling on "morning joe." >> we're deeply concerned at the strikes at the port of odesa and fly in the face of the arrangements to get grain out of ukraine and odesa specifically. we'll watch this very closely. >> meantime russia confirms it will pull out of the international space station as soon as 2024. there's a huge question for anyone paying off the student loans. the white house may have signaled a big hint on the

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