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into this. if it is a semantic game almost. if you're in a recession or not, as if you're running a small business and you can't find anybody to work in your shop and it feels like a recession. >> willie, that is exactly it. so when you go consumer confidence is down, of course it is down. go purchase anything and things are more expensive. so naturally one would feel that way. what we need to do right now is figure out what people need to do to be saving because what we're heading into, more than anything, is uncertain times. but to say that this administration isn't addressing things, they are. whether you're talking about chips or broadband, lowering the price of pharmaceuticals, you're actually seeing democrats try to make moves that will make life easier and more affordable for the american people. and while it is easy for republicans to beat on the inflation story because
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everybody out there is talking about it, they have not yet offered any alternate solutions. it is complicated. >> and certainly the white house has been out there in recent days pushing back against the idea of this being labelled a recession even if it technically meets the criteria. stephanie, certainly there could -- good news yesterday that senator manchin is signing off on this bill that will hopefully bring down inflation. but it shows how fragile that is going to be. senator dick durbin just tested positive for covid and they can't pass without him if he's unavailable next week. what sort of impact could this legislation have to try to bring down inflation which of course would be another sign of a economy that actually is healthier than what we're seeing on the gdp. >> listen, jonathan, are you going to walk into a grocery store two days from now, after something gets signed and prices will drop? absolutely not. but this goes back to what willie said.
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it is about how people feel. it is about what is the game plan going forward. so if this administration could get something done, it is really big. an the thing for the administration to do, rather than talking about the definition of a recession, when my mother goes to the grocery store and complaining about the price of milk, she's not worried about the definition of recession. what they need to be doing is affordable the more affordable broadband. once they get things lower in terms of pharmaceutical pricing, showing people how to access that. right now we're in this circle with this media blitz and it is not doing much for anyone. if democrats could pull this off, it is a really big deal. >> stef, there is a certain amount the fed could do domestically or the white house could do domestically, but i'm looking at the headlines from europe at the moment and it is about a massive surge in energy prices because the russians are cutting off the gas to europe. we know the problems of trying to get food out of ukraine. is there a risk that as we head into the fall and the winter,
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some of those -- some of what we're seeing in europe spills back over into the united states and inflation becomes even harder to get under control. >> listen, there is that risk. we have to remember what difficult times we're living in. the war there ukraine is pushing this worse all around the world. and we talk about it all of the time. inflation is not unique to the united states. it is happening everywhere. but again when somebody is out there buying gas, even though this is gettinger than it was a month ago, it is more expensive than a year ago and people at the gas stations in new york, new jersey and connecticut, aren't thinking about the price of gas in france and this is a very unpredictable situation. obviously the president did just recently go and speak with mbs. we're working on pumping more and energy independence but that doesn't happen overnight. >> again, that top line number, the gdp and the second quarter shrank for the second quarter in
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the wrong direction. thank you for clarifying it all for us. we'll be watching tonight on the 11th hour and every week night at 11:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. let's talk more about the major break through on capitol hill. senator joe manchin and chuck schumer reached an agreement on a reconciliation package after nearly a year and a half of on and off negotiations. the inflation reduction act of 2022 includes more than $400 billion in revenue from tax reforms and a new minimum tax of 15%. it also would raise about $300 billion in revenue through the lowering of prescription drug costs and allow medicare to negotiate the price of medications for the first time. also in the agreement, nearly $370 billion toward energy security and measures to combat climate change with a goal of rezeusing carbon emissions by 40% by the year 2030. joining us now, capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. ali, good morning. this came as a surprise to a
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lost people, including to many of you who cover capitol hill so closely, that this was kept under wraps, the negotiations between manchin and schumer. what is the bottom line on all of this and how big of a deal could it be and is it going to get through. >> reporter: not just a surprise to us up here who cover the hill but to many of the lawmakers themselves. as we got this press release yesterday, as senators didn't know what was in the bill or that a deal was coming. nevertheless, they've had several huddles since then and in the next few minutes they'll be meeting, senate democrats in a building here, one of the biggest rooms they could get because they all need to hash out what this is going to look like going forward. but look, there is a lot in here for democrats to be happy about. doing things like allowing medicare to negotiate directly for prescription drug prices and capping the amount that medicare recipients will pay on those
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drugs. additionally big tax renorms, you put them on the clean, like closing the carried interest rate, 15% mandatory minimum corporate tax are all things that democrats were pushing for and wanted in the initial iteration of what was build back better at the end of the last year. now they're seeing some of it come to fruition and they're doing it against the back drop of a tough economic period. stef was just laying out why this is such a nuanced moment and one of the key things in the bill is to be able to blunt any of the conversation around this being inflationary spending. that is something that manchin had a drawn a red line on. we're now seeing there is about $300 billion of this that pays off the debt. so there are pieces that are meant to blunt the economic pike for democrats who are spending during this moment. but at the same time, i think we have to point out a deal is a big deal, but it is not a sure thing at this point. for two reasons. first, we don't know if kyrsten
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sinema is on board for this. the carried interest rate is one of the things that she had previously drawn a red line on. her office is a no comment right now. and the second piece of that, is this the fact that senator dick durbin has now tested positive for covid. he's not the first person if the last few weeks that we've seen this happen to but when you have a 50/50 senate, you do need everybody in the room to vote for this. so the fact they're having more unexpected absences, durbin could have a short case and he said thankfully that he has mild symptoms but at the same time if they want to do this next week, coy count five days just from here that would mean he would have to test negative by wednesday and back here in the senate to vote. there is also the fact that senator manch manchin himful -- himself is also testing positive.
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>> as ali just explained. a huge day for president biden. the chips bill passed in the morning and then the manchin/schumer deal is announced later in the afternoon. but the fly in the ointment and explain this to us, is the republicans suddenly acting as if it is all about high school. they were for the chips bill, and then they were surprised by the manchin/schumer deal and then they're approach to it now is you offended us by not letting us into what you were doing so we're going to tell our people in the house of representatives to vote against the chips bill that they voted for in the morning in the senate. >> grade school stuff, maybe. even more than high school. the other good thing that came for president biden was he came out of covid isolation so he this a really good day. so you're announcing having senate republicans asking house colleagues to vote against something that they previously just days before, many of them are expressed support. so now they're having to do a
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180 on the previous position. also this is a bill that has -- does have joint bipartisan support in part because it enables as a national security measure to help the united states manufacture these chips and not to have to rely on other countries, namely china. so to take a pro-beijing stance as well. and let's stay on chips. asking house colleagues to vote against it, but by a slim margin, democrats do control the house. do we think there is any possibility that this bill could do down and in defeat in the house in the republicans in the fit of spite are able to convince members across the way to vote against. >> reporter: at this point that doesn't seem likely. but you have to remember that this is not necessarily a full slam dunk, a 100% on the democratic side either. you have bernie sanders who voted against the senate version of this. he was been signaling that. that he didn't like the idea of funneling billions of dollars
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into semiconductor companies. so they could have a better chance of manufacturing here. but nevertheless, it was bipartisan if the senate. although potentially not by the margins that some of us thought that it could be, especially because there are some china hawks in the republican party and it is not clear why. but the fact that house republicans now are urging their party to vote against this, they're actively whipping on this, it is retaliatory and it all stems from the fact, as you i were talking on this morning on way too early, the fact that this looks like a moment where politically schumer and manchin may have outmaneuvered mitch mcconnell, because mcconnell, as you were talking about, said that chips would not go forward in bipartisan fashion so long as reconciliation was on the table. reconciliation has died and come back to life about 100 times never over the course of the last year but nevertheless, when the chips movement started happening for real last week it looks like reconciliation might have been dead. mcconnell of course then allowing that vote to go
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forward. you have 17 republicans who voted for it yesterday. and then now we're seeing what is happening in the house from retaliatory fashion. it is washington politics at its finest if you will, jonathan. >> purely out of spite, too. we'll see if house republicans listen to mitch mcconnell and vote against even though they've supported it. ali vitali, thank you so much. now to the offer the white house said it made to russia to free wnba star brittney griner and another detained american named paul whelan. andrea mitchell has detailed. >> antoni blinken going public about what he called a substantial proposal for the release of brittney griner and american businessman paul whelan. >> in the coming days, i expect to speak with russian foreign minister lavrov for the first time since the war began. i plan to raise an issue that is a top priority for us. the release of americans paul whelan and brittney griner, who
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have been wrongfully detained and must be allowed to come home. >> the deal according to two sources familiar with it involves trading vick tor bout, an arms dealer for the two americans. sources also say the decision was made with president biden's blessing, despite objections from the justice department. >> foremost in his mind is getting americans home. but also making sure that our own national security is preturfed and that we're not encouraging hostage taking in the future. >> on wednesday griner testified while caged in a court that she hasn't realized that cannabis oil prescribed from the u.s. was in her luggage, leading to her arrest five months ago at a russian airport. >> i was in a rush packing and like i said i was recovering from covid, and stressed from packing and making sure i had my covid test and jet lag and i was in a rush throwing my stuff into my bag. >> griner also telling the judge whether she arrived in russia, she was held for hours without a
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lawyer. interrogated in russian. forced to use google translate on her phone to try to understand what was being said. she signed documents without knowing what she was signing. >> no, my rights were never read to me. no one explained any of it to me. >> the u.s. is hoping to free paul whelan, an american business man and former marine jailed in russia for four years. on what the u.s. has called a trumped up spying charge. >> it shows that the u.s. government is doing what it can. and also underscores i think the fact that there are limits to what the u.s. government can do to bring home americans. >> andrea mitchell reporting there. and let's bring many michael mcfaul. the director of the institute for international studies at stanford and an nbc news international affairs analyst. and ambassador, it is good to see you this morning. it is a steep price. victor bout was charged with conspiracy to kill americans by
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providing arms to terrorists. but do you support this swap, this deal? >> i do, not with enthusiasm. you've heard the reasons just described. he's a real criminal, vick tor bout. for many decades he was a real criminal. and brittney griner and i would add to the list mark fogle who is also wrongfully detained in russia today. they are not criminals. but you have to make these decisions whether we're serving american interests to do the deal or not and on balance i think this disserved american national interest. i hope we get all americans out, not just two. let's get three americans out for one guilty russian. >> so as a practical question now, how does this work. we heard secretary of state blinken say he will reach out to lavrov. the two have not spoken since the war, since the russian invasion of ukraine. what happens next, are the
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russians likely to go along with deal? >> i don't know. these are -- every one of these are unprecedented, right. i was involved in a spy swap for instance back there 2010. we did not reveal the negotiations of that until they were on the tarmac. so this is a bit unusual that secretary blinken is even talking about it. my guess is that they will indict griner, they will give her a sentence first, before they let her out. before there is a trade. and i want to be clear, we're all talking about victor bout and secretary blinken has not talked about him so we should be careful in presuming that we know this deal has already been consummated. >> michael, how much is the war in ukraine and whatever leverage the russians might want to have over the u.s. when it comes to the war in ukraine, complicated all of this. you referred to a previous spy
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swap that you were involved in. this i'm assuming is even more sensitive and tricky because of what is happening in ukraine and the u.s. role in supplying the ukrainians. how are the two tied together and how might that shake out? >> that is exactly right. when we did that spy swap back in 2010, u.s.-russian relations were in a much better place. and i would say those created the permissive conditions to get that deal done. having said that, i want to remind everybody, it was very controversial in our own government. the department of justice did not want to give criminals up for alleged spies in russia. it wasn't symmetric. we gave up a dozen russians for four. so i do think it complicates things and victor bout is a bad criminal that the russians have been trying to get out for a long time allegedly with ties to
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russian intelligence. that is part of the reason why vladimir putin, a former kgb officer, wants to get him out so badly. >> it is to interesting and all happening against the back drop of a russian invasion and ongoing war crimes in ukraine. and ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you so much for bringing some sense to it for us. we appreciate it. still to come this hour, federal investigators seized the phone of john eastman. the elect lawyer who came up with the plan for former trump to steal the 2020 election. now the department of justice is one step closer to actually being able to look through this phone. that development is next. plus, more on that new gdp number showing the u.s. economy shrank at .9%, shrinking for the second quarter. andrew ross sorkin joins us. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.
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now to a new development in the investigation into the
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attempt to overturn the 2020 election. the department of justice revealed it has obtained a search warrant to go through the phone of former election lawyer for donald trump john eastman. eastman was one of the chief architects you remember of the plan for then vice president mike pence to overturn the 2020 election. he wrote that infamous memo and spoke at the stop the steal rally on january 6. eastman's phone was physically seized on june 22nd. but federal investigators tell a judge they obtained a second warrant on july 12th to search its contents. the filing comes in response to efforts by eastman to stop investigatored from quote rummaging through his phone arguing the initial warrant was too broad and risked the disclosure of privileged information. speaking of the efforts to overturn the election, jonathan lemire, let's get to your book, the big lie, out this week. and to say republicans and states across country
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introducing and passing legislation limiting access to ballots based on something that didn't happen. so saying there was all of this fraud in 2020, we have to make new laws to prevent it next time when there wasn't fraud to begin with and this is something that the biden administration in its first year and a half has bumped up against. >> yes. and thank you, willie. certainly the story of the big lie and my book doesn't end on january 6. in fact the next few months are so vital shaping what has come forward. the republicans had a chance to cut ties with donald trump. there was that moment on january 7th or after his secondary impeachment trial and they close not to and kevin mccarthy to mar-a-lago and contained his grip on the republican party. but you're right. republicans across the states, nearly two dozen in the state legislatures used the big lie as cover to do something frankly a lot of them have want totd do for a long time which is restrict the access to the
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ballot. they said we have to cut down on fraud and government groups say that those voters who risked being disenfranchised overwhelmingly tend to vote democratic. so this did, this was a happening at the same time level. there are some who believe that the biden white house has slow to react. they're focused on the pandemic and other matters. and it wasn't until many months later that we hear from theez of the united states, who gave a speech at the constitution sentner philadelphia declaring this the greatest threat to the american democrat since the civil war. even then another six months lapsed without an effort to have real federal voting rights that was defeated by joe manchin and kyrsten sinema because they didn't want to touch the filibuster. >> and the way you lay out the foundation of the big lie and the former president has a history, a lifetime of lies behind him. not being able to get an nfl team, lied about the emmys were
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rigged and he didn't get an emmy for "the apprentice" and things like that but there was a moment in the book where the big lie took on a life of its own politically. >> well first trump which would note, back me up, that trump's entire political career is based on a lie. he gained fame and notoriety in conservative circles for the racist lie that was birtherism and' claimed that barack obama was not born in the united states and not eligible to be president. that conspiracy theory existed before trump latched onto it. but he was the largest proponent and that is how he became a star on the right in 2010, 2011 and so on. and confronted by president obama in his speech the same day that the obama gave the order for the mission that ended the life of one osama bin laden. that moment was trump's first big political lie and not his last.
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and this one and the book details how he just prepared the republicans and the conservative media to go along with whatever he said by wearing down their trust in the institutions of the u.s. government and the sanctity of the ballot. >> if you're one of the few remaining americans who has not yet purchased a copy of "the big lie" and you still have a chance it is available at your local book store or online. we'll talk more about it tomorrow. coming up, a controversial golf tour at a donald trump owned golf course in new jersey. this comes as that tour backed by the saudi as peers to have poached another top name, a master as champion from the pga. also ahead, markets are reacting to the gdp released this morning. andrew ross sorkin will be here on what we could expect. and if we're in a recession, it feels like one to so many people. we'll be right back. ight back.
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beautiful live picture at 9:30 in the morning looking south in manhattan from the top of the building at rockefeller center. and joining us now, from squawk
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box, andrew ross sorkin. you've been looking at the gdp number that came out about an hour ago that showed a second consecutive quarter of gdp decline, .9% this time. what does the number tell you? >> it does tell you that things are moving in the wrong direction and faster than some people have anticipated in the wrong direction. but at same time, there is a view and i think it is a fairview, which is to say this is what was supposed to happen if the federal reserve was going to do what its been doing which is to say it is been putting its hands on the neck of the economy and trying to slow things down. that is what they've been doing. an now it is working. to some degree. i mean, it is sort of a very strange feeling to say this is what we wanted. but we are now going to have a slower economy, we may have a recession. but recession, the word i think is now just a political football as to what those ads come this fall during the midterms actually say. are we in a recession. i think most americans have a lived experience and they know what this feels like and this
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feels different than what the world felt like call it 12 months ago when it felt like confetti was coming out the sky along with money and money was coming out the sky, it was showing up in your mailbox. so it is a different feeling. and that is where we are. i will say the markets have been actually very contained today. some people would have thought recession, they would be falling precipitously. not so much. >> steady. >> steady because there is a few now that the federal reserve couldn't have to keep its hands on the neck of the economy in the way that it had. >> so andrew, you're right, this feels like a lot of people there is a job for anybody who wants one in this economy. a surplus of jobs and when they go out to buy things it doesn't feel right. gas and groceries and everything else. it doesn't feel good on your everyday purchases. so is there a sense among economists, that the fed raising the rates again or the reconciliation package that may help thein facing problem, obviously critics of the reconciliation package say
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putting new taxes on corporations and spending a bunch of money is not the way to help inflation. >> well there is two things going on here. one, you'll see the economy slow. you talked about getting jobs. you'll probably see the unemployment rate start to tick up. that is going to happen. so those headlines will not be good headlines. but you also talk though about what this new bill that manchin seems to be behind is saying. you know, the name it said that it is dealing with inflation. in flation reduction act. hard to believe that is the case how much money will flow into the system and money will come back to taxpayers as well. but in the immediate term, even if you were to decide to call that a wash, which it probably isn't, i think be default if you put that bill together with the chips act, because that puts you at a trillion dollars. that is sort of where we're at, right. eventually that probably is going to push against what the fed is doing. so if the fed is trying to push us down, that bill will push
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things the other way. >> andrew, everyone seems to recognize now maybe even jay powell that the fed should have acted sooner to put the damps on the economy but taking it back even further than that and the reason for the spike in the inflation was the amount of money that went into the economy around covid and to your point, are we just risking doing the same thing all over again. >> i don't know if we're risking doing the same thing all over again. part of it is what is the goal. is it to avoid the bubbles and the ups and downs. if we're try took keep things flat, which is what the fed is trying to do, they're going to be these horrible sort of moments, these transitions that feel bad and i think we're going to be in a period for the next six, 12 months, we're going to feel this. but it is also possible it is in the rearview mirror. this is two quarters in a row and then the question is what does it feel like for next two quarters. >> quick question. >> yes, sir. >> what happens to credit card
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rates, car loan rates. >> all up. >> and where are the workers. >> we're going to see conference call rates going up. if you're carrying a balance, try to get it down. your mortgage rate will go up. if you have a rate that is adjustable, if you don't, or your trying to get a new home, it is going to be a higher than it used it be. which also means that housing prices are likely to come down again. so, that is all of that. the second part of your question. >> where are the workers? >> help wanted signs all over the place. >> you tell me. this is the piece that i can't figure out. we talked about the average american doesn't have $400 in their bank account and can't last more than two or three months and you say if that is true, or that was true, they would need a job. i don't understand this. but i don't know many kpimists who understand this part of the discussion. >> strange. >> it is fascinating. >> by the way, the white house just announced that president of the united states is going to speak at noon in a couple of hours from now about that reconciliation package that he
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believes and democrats believe will help with this inflation problem. want to ask andrew about the liv golf tour, it looks like it gains another biggest stars. two time master's champion bubba watson ranked as high as number two is poised to make his debut on the breakaway circuit in an event outside of boston over labor day weekend. and they will tee off at trump national golf club bedminster in new jersey. so you've been all over covering this tour. the golfers who jump from the pga, making tons of money, some of them a hundred million or $200 million. tiger woods according to greg norman was offered near a billion dollars to come over and refused that check to his credit. but these guys don't seem to care about the questions they're getting every tournament, every press conference, they're asked
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about the saudi regime and the human rights record and shrug it off and cash their checks. they seem fine with it. >> i think money seems to talk. i'm not saying that is the right answer. that is why tiger doesn't want to be part of it. and other people look at this and say now there is competition in golf. maybe that is a good thing. i don't know. i think there is a larger question which is saudi arabia has done some very, very terrible things and the question is are they -- are they in a penalty box forever. is there something they could say or do that would make the u.s. or the west or others feel more comfortable, clearly bubba feels quite comfortable but he's being paid to feel comfortable. so i think that is the longer term question. who is the person, if there is a person, who is supposed to say, okay, this is okay now. is that president biden, is that somebody else? >> well president biden sort of -- >> and he sort of has. >> let them out of the penalty box.
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he was just there two weeks ago and the fist bump with mbs and to stabilize the relationships, they are not super close or what they were. and we should note, the golf tournament there is a celebrity round in bedminster featuring charles barkley and clay travis and as well as of course former president trump is going to play. my question to you -- >> what i don't know, are they being paid to play? i'm assuming they are. >> i would think so. >> question, is this, and it is a little broader, if the saudis are having some success here, with this golf tournament, they've lured some major names, what is stopping them or other rich entity do the same in another sport and how could that impact -- >> i think it could change the entire dynamic. there is to question. whether it is baseball or basketball or any of the sports that we have pass time, i don't know about the nfl, do you think the saudis will take over football. maybe. but i want to know where you think the american consumer is.
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the american citizen who is on the other end of this. we talked about stakeholder capitalism and the public was going to buy products that they care about and shun products that they thought were being -- that climate implications or human rights implications. you tell me. see what the ratings are. we'll see the question. >> we keep hearing about ceo's who are having to respond to millennial gen z employees who say we won't work with you if you're ethics are not in line and they have superstars, they don't need this money. i don't think bubba watson is struggling to pay his light bill this month and yet they're doing something like this. this is dissect what ceo's is telling us about the life and doing business seems to be add odds with -- >> this is the great hypocrisy as the esg movement and that is
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environmental sustainable and governance and whether that is a real thing and whether it is marketing or marketing in the moment, meaning for right now. we'll do it this way but when it comes to something else -- i don't know. i think this is a test of the millennial generation is which to say are they going to protest and not buy the products endorsed by the athletes. >> i think it is simpler than that. i think it is just the extended definition of human nature. >> it is just money. >> whether your bubba watson or andrew sorkin. so spring training tells bubba watson or all of them, we have a proposal on the table, we'll give you $125 million, and you work half as much as you do now, and you'll make twice as much as you do now. want to sign? where is the pen. and i bet if you talk to most and i don't want to talk to -- i'm not a millennial myself, but i imagine if you talk to a lot of young people and you say look
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if i offered you x amount of money, would you take it. i think a lot of people would say sure. i don't think it feels great but i get it. >> many have stood up for the pga and criticized the liv golf tour but it go starting tomorrow and donald trump will be there. andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. coming up next, what two-thirds of americans want in their political leaders. some surprising numbers from a new poll on civility in politics. that is next on "morning joe." t"
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new polling shows a statistical tie among voters when asked which party's candidate they support for november's midterm elections. according to the laft battleground civility poll from georgetown university, 48% of voters back the democratic candidate compared to 46% who support the republican candidate
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on that generic ballot. in the same survey, 72% of voters say they are concerned about the level of polarization in the united states and 77% say america is on the wrong track that, includes 93% of republicans and 63% of democrats. and two-thirds of voters say they prefer a political leader who will compromise to get things done over someone who consistently fighting. only 30% say they want that in a candidate. joining us now, long time campaign strategist and executive director of georgetown's institute of politics and public service, mo eleithee. you wouldn't know the number if you spent a lot of your time online, that it is perpetual state of political combat. but it turns out almost two-thirds any way of people in this country want to see some compromise like we've been seeing a little bit of recently in the congress. >> i think what we saw and what we've been seeing especially in
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the past couple of days is exactly what voters are screaming for. look, this poll, we've been tracking this issue of how voters look at the issues of civility and polarization in our politics going back now a little over three years and we've seen a couple of things consistently. number one, people think it is bad, on a scale of zero to 100, zero being no division at all, 100 being edge of civil war, people, the mean response is 71. they they'll we're toward civil war. that is really pessimistic. what we've seen in the most recent poll is that a lot is being fuel by a certain degree of self-segregation. we're not surrounding ourselves with people not like us. most or all of their family and friends share the same political beliefs as they do. share the same religious beliefs
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this is they do. are in the same economic class or racial or ethnic group. so we're self-isolating ourselves from people would are unlike us and that is adding to this polarization. but they are crystal clear on this point. if given a choice, between a candidate who fights for their values, even if it means they don't get something done, versus a candidate who is willing to work across the aisle, find some compromise in order to get results, it is not even close. maybe both parties bases would rather have the purists, but two-thirds of the overall electorate wants the results even if it means compromise. >> so, mo, how do you explain the contradiction, the 66% who want compromise as opposed to the 30% who want somebody to fight for them. when sitting in the white house we have one of the ultimate compromises who has ever assumed the presidency, joe biden.
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how do you explain the contradiction there when you have 70% of democrats saying oh, he shouldn't run again. 66% of people who you would -- polled saying we need a compromised person. >> if i'm sitting in the white house, i want to see a lot more moments like what we've seen over the past few days. and look at the trajectory of the biden presidency and this -- i think this tracks the first six months of his administration, his numbers were sky high. he was getting -- and they were pushing the same mantra. shots in your arms and money why your wallets. they got the covid bill passed and the vaccine distribution in place and getting results an then they hit a major wall with the big fight over infrastructure. and a lot of that was intra party. but suddenly compromise started to disappear, and people were sort of digging their heels in their entrenched positions,
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results got significantly delayed and you started to see it down tick in his approval numbers. people don't want to see the ideology fighting. they want the results. if they could get back to that more often, i think maybe you will can get back to that more often, i think -- i think you'll start to see some changing in the numbers. >> it's such an interesting poll. i think this is how most people feel in their dput. they want to see civility, they want to see compromise. they don't like what they're seeing in the country. fascinating stuff. thank you for being here today. coming up next, gun manufacturers are making major profits amid a string of high-profile mass shootings. when "morning joe" comes right back. when "morning joe" comes right back
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in buffalo, uvalde, texas and highland park, illinois. nbc national news correspondent gabe gutierrez reports. >> reporter: as mass shootings have been on the rise, leading
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gun manufacturers have raked in more than $1 billion from the sale of ar-15 style rifles, according to a house oversight committee investigation. >> gun manufacturers use dangerous marketing tactics to sell assault weapons to the public. >> reporter: marty daniel is the ceo of daniel defense, the company that makes the weapon the uvalde shooter used. >> these acts are committed by murderers. the murderers are responsible. >> reporter: the committee says daniel defense's revenue from ar-15 style rifles tripled from $40 million in 2019 to more than $120 million in 2021. >> i believe that these murderers are local problems, that have to be solved locally. >> reporter: the earnings for another gun maker, ruger, nearly tripled during that same period. >> it is wrong to deprive citizens of their constitutional right to purchase lawful firearm they desire because of the
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criminal acts of wicked people. >> reporter: republicans on the committee calling the hearing political theater. >> never in my life have i had a gun get violent with me, but i have seen where people are -- use guns for the wrong reasons. >> reporter: at the hearing, felix and karen rubio. their daughter died in the uvalde massacre. >> it's horrible what the weapons can do. >> reporter: they want the daniel defense ceo to be accountable. >> these individuals are using weapons that his company manufacturers. they're law-abiding citizens until he walked into that classroom and murdered our child and her classmates and two teachers. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez reporting for us there. that does it for us this morning. we'll see you back here tomorrow morning on "morning joe." lindsey reiser pick up msnbc's coverage.
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good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern/7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm lindsey reiser in for jose diaz-balart. we're getting a snapshot of the u.s. economy, which shrank for a second connecticut sective quarter. we'll hear from president biden in a few hours on that and we'll discuss what this means for your wallet. also on the president's agenda, a high-stakes phone call with chinese leader xi jinping where they are to discuss