the overriding question this hour is whether the president, meeting with ceos just minutes from now, can convince americans the economy is actually headed in the right direction. so we're keeping a close eye on the white house and that meeting where he'll no doubt take another shot at making a complex economic argument and use it to tell people that things are not as bad as they might feel. in fact, we heard a preview of that last hour when both the president and treasury secretary, janet yellen, said the strong jobs market and low unemployment numbers undercut claims we're in a recession despite numbers showing the economy shrinking for a second straight quarter. the president is also touting legislation, the chips act and that stunning new agreement, $700 billion that would make historic investments in climate change and health care and deliver on promises the

president and his fellow democrats first laid out nearly 16 months ago. >> look, this bill is far from perfect. it's a compromise. but it's often how progress is made, by compromises. and the fact is that my message to congress is this -- this is the strongest bill you can pass to lower inflation, cut the deficit, reduce health care cost, tackle the climate crisis and promote energy security, all the time reducing the burdens facing working class and middle-class families. so pass it. pass it for the american people. pass it for america. >> i want to bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent ali viatali, jason furman served as chair of the economic advisers

and is professor of economic policy at harvard. i don't know how much of this you were able to listen to, jason, but if you had to sort of break it down for folks to the basics of what is, as we said, a very complex economic argument that the white house is trying to make, what is it? >> it's a very complex economic situation. the economy is adding lots of jobs but gdp growth is negative and households are falling behind when it comes to inflation. the fed is raising rates at the fastest pace it has in decades. in some sense it doesn't matter as much what the white house says about the economy because people already know how it affects them. it matters what they do about the economy and this new legislation, the deal that was reached between manchin and schumer is the right thing to do for the economy right now. >> can what extent can it make a

difference and how quickly, though, jason? >> it's the bigger factor is the fed when it comes to inflation, but this is the biggest deficit reduction congress will have done in a decade. it will be the first time in about 40 years that congress is doing deficit reduction as part of an effort to lower inflation. so i think it's meaningful. i think it's real. i don't think it's huge but it's helping and that's what's important. >> ashley, that is not exactly what the white house would have us believe. they think this is huge. they this it is something that is ground breaking. that's why they put inflation, right, in the name of the bill. we heard from the president, we heard from janet yellen, now we're going to see the president with ceos talk about this big messaging strategy, this overall push and how this meeting that we're going to see start maybe in the next 15 or 20 minutes or so plays in all of it. >> that's right. they do think this is a big deal

for a number of reasons, including because it includes a significant number of climate provisions. now, this is not the full scope that climate activists had initially hoped to get, but just to put this in context and a lot of politics is expectations, is about two weeks ago democrats thought because of joe manchin that this was an absolute nonstarter and they would get absolutely nothing done on climate. if you can go back to that period, remember there were environmentalists, other democrats basically releasing scathing statements accusing joe manchin of decimating the globe because of climate change. and now, you know, this is a lot more for climate than they ever expected and the announcement yesterday surprised a lot of democrats. so just on the climate front alone, it's a lot that the white

house is proud of. and final point, some of their challenges on inflation have been message related as much as they have been actual inflation. you do see putting the inflation reduction act in the name of this bill, an effort clearly to get ahead of what is their biggest political problem heading into the mid terms. >> boy, ali, as usual ashley parker is right about that but i want to hit on two of the points she said. one is that politics is a game of expectations. the other thing the democrats have been criticized for is that your all over the place on messaging or at worst they don't have any message at all. just listening to what we're hearing from the president, from janet yellen, from members of congress, they suddenly are all on the same page and, boy, nobody expected this bill, right? >> yeah, it was a surprise to see this deal come together the way it was announced last night. senators were both surprised by the timing of it but then also the details. they didn't know what would ultimately end up being in this

package. i think ashley is right, as you mentioned as usual, that many of people president bushing for these climate and tax provisions were pleasantly surprised with what's still on the table and ultimately going to be in this bill. i've heard from people focused on element of the care economy, things like paid leave and universal pre-k who were upset they were ultimately not included in this bill. we know that's not necessarily surprising given that manchin didn't want to have those provisions in there back in december the last time this bill was being negotiated in a real and substantive way up on the hill. there is the piece of this that was on the expectations but that in terms of the messaging, and you heard president biden hit on this, he references the fact that this is a smaller bill with elements that seem reminiscent of build back better, that people casually paying attention are going to see things familiar to them. at the same time, this is compromise and this is progress.

democrats all marching in lock step on that message, still using the same adjectives that they used last december, the idea that it's transformative, a massive investment. all of this is important to democrats as they take this into the mid terms, even though the reality is many would have liked to see this be bigger. we still don't know where senator sinema is on this. we've got the assumption that all 49 are on board but they need 50 and we're not sure they have that for sure right now. >> i'm going to let you track down kyrsten sinema and see what she has to say to you. the president tells us the economy is on the right path. i want to play a little bit of what secretary yellen said about the idea that we're in a recession. >> most economists and most

americans have similar definition of recession, substantial job losses and mass layoffs, businesses shutting down, private sector activity slowing considerably, family budgets under immense strain, in some a broad-based weakening of our economy. that is not what we're seeing right now when you look at the economy. job creation is continuing. household finances remain strong. consumers are spending and businesses are growing. >> of course the counter to that, jason, is inflation and high prices. what are you watching for and where do you see the economy going from here? when you look at that gdp number, what does it tell you? >> yeah, sure. one quick thing on the legislation. >> sure. >> think it is quite important for things like climate change,

protecting families from premium increases, lowering the cost of prescription drugs and it does all of that while making progress on inflation, even though by itself will not solve the inflation. in terms of the economy right now, households have still been increasing their spending. their wages are falling behind because of all the money they got last year and the year before. how long that will last is anyone's guess. employers have still be hiring but often that's one of the last things to change. so it's a little bit of a backward looking indicator. it's an encouraging one. i wouldn't say because there were jobs added last quarter, we'll continue to add them next quarter or the quarter after. there's an extraordinary amount of uncertainty. i don't think we're in a recession the first half of this

year but anything could happen going forward. >> and that's the challenge, right, for this white house, for democratic members of congress. ashley, honestly, anybody who says they absolutely know what's going to happen next or the timeline of this really doesn't. >> well, that's exactly right. and in some ways that's why we are seeing the inflation that we're seeing now, which was there when the administration was doing that first big spending package, the american rescue plan, that they could not have predicted. they could not have predicted the way in which covid not truly going away after we got shots in arms would lead to supply chain issues, which would also raise prices, and they could not have predicted in that moment early on when they were claiming inflation is just transitory that there would be a war in

ukraine, right, that would also have ripple effects and ramifications. so inflation, for instance, and jason can speak to this far better than i can, is not a one-to-one cause and effect of just one thing but it is a real political problem for this white house because in some ways it's something that is out of their control. but anyone who is anywhere where they own a car, have to fill up that car with gas, they feel this and they are reminded of this every day, not just when they're filling up their tank but when they're, say, driving a car pool or driving to work and every one of those gas station signs with the price of gas is a bill board about everything that fairly or unfairly is frustrating them with president biden and democrats right now. >> she's absolutely right about that, jason. look, it's nothing new, this confluence of politics and the economy, but like we've been saying always ever before, we've never seen anything like this. we've never had politics quite

like this, you could make an argument. and we've also never had the circumstances that have led us to where we are in the economy right now. so how do we square those things or is it impossible to even do? >> i don't know the answer to your question. look, day-to-day management of the economy, the body that's sifting through this incredibly complex set of economic data is the federal reserve. that is why most people agree they should take the lead in fighting inflation because every new number that comes out, they can digest it in a reasonably rational way. they're not always right. they got a bunch of stuff wrong last year, but they're much better at it than anyone in the political system is at processing these numbers and acting on them. the white house, that's why it's important they also continue to focus on issues that matter over the medium and long run, like health care, like climate change, because those problems

don't change from minute to minute. the right answer stays the same for a while and that's why you want to continue to focus on that type of structural legislating. >> jason furman, ashley parker, thank you so much. appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. steny hoyer, good to see. first let me ask you if this agreed surprised you. >> you talking the manchin -- >> manchin-schumer. let's call it that. >> surprise me? i'm glad they got to an agreement. it's to the an agreement i would have made per se but it's a very constructive, positive agreement, which i think will help us fight inflation, which is one of the biggest challenges for americans. i understand that. the president understands that. it also is going to make a real difference in terms of

prescription drug costs for consumers and in climate, which we see ravaging the west with fires and drought and many parts of the east as well and the mid west. i'm happy with the agreement. i'm hopeful the senate will pass it and send it to the president. >> we still don't know what kristin sinema will do. you don't have a ton of wiggle room in the house. you have people like sherrill, have you talked to them? are they going to support that? >> they took that position and their position was adopted when we passed the bill to the senate from the house. and the senate didn't take it. what is left and what has been agreed to i think is very good

for our country, very good for fighting inflation, very good for our economy, and very good for people who are using prescription drugs and trying to access affordable quality health care. is it perfect? is it everything that everybody wanted? it is not but that's the case with most bills. we have two houses and the senate did not take that provision. i hope that the members you just referenced see the donut and not just look at the hole that's not there. >> so what's your level of confidence? >> what is there is good for new jersey. >> what's your level of confidence on this getting through the house? >> if the senate passes it, we'll pass it. >> okay. then you've got the chips funding bill rights that's going to the house for a vote. senator schumer called it a sputnik moment. from your perspective, why should people care about this? >> because it makes a real difference in terms of america's

self-reliance. i've said we cannot rely on the unreliable, which we did so starkly during the course of this pandemic. we need to make it in america. we immediate to have job creation here. that's what this chips bill does. chips are absolutely critical to almost everything we do. and by getting this chips bill through and making the investment and growing our economy, creating 100,000 new jobs, it will make a real difference on inflation, a real difference on our competitiveness around the world and a real difference in terms of our own self-reliance here in america. so this is a bill that ought to pass. and sadly, so many republicans are opposing this bill not on its substance. 17 republicans voted for this bill in the united states senate. that's a third of the united states senators, but others have taken the position and, by the way, mcconnell was one of them that voted for it, but so many republicans take the position i don't like the reconciliation

bill or reduce inflation act and therefore i'm going to vote against this bill. i sit on the floor of the united states house. that is hurting america. that is hurting our competitiveness, that is hurting our people and that makes no sense because you don't like another bill. if they don't like the other bill, vote against it, but this bill is good for america, good for american workers and good for generations to come. so i'm hopeful that, as i said, we will pass that bill. and if we don't get any republicans, which i would be a very sad day for america, i think we'll pass it with democratic votes. >> so you're not worried about the fact that house republican leadership is saying, no, don't vote for this for exactly the reason you just lined out. you think it's going to go through anyway. >> yeah, i think it is, yes. and when you say worried about, i'm very disappointed. this is a political decision, not a position on behalf of the

american people and not on behalf of the american economy and on behalf of our national security. it is so sad that the republican party appears to be taking a political position when what america needs today is a principled position for growing our economy, growing jobs and being competitive with the rest of the world. that's what the republicans and democrats in the senate who initiated a bill some many months ago said this was all about. it's still about that. the ability of america to be self-reliant and the ability for america to compete in the 21st century. it would be a great shame if this bill fails and the rest of the world sees america as not competing, as not putting investments in the next century or this century and in chips and in manufacturing and in supply chains. it will be a very sad day. so i'm hopeful that doesn't happen.

i think we're going to pass this bill, notwithstanding republican opposition, which i think is, as i said, not based upon principle but based upon politics. steny hoyer, good to have you on the program. we appreciate it. >> good to be with you, chris. >> we're just over a hundred days before the mid term. we have interesting new poll on which party is best positioned to take control of congress and what issues voters are most concerned about. plus details on the russian arms dealer at the center of the proposed prisoner swap for wnba star brittney griner. wnba star brittney griner it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling] i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance it's easier to do more innovative things. through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps.

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showed an even split, 40%-40% on the congressional generic ballot. this is a little bit of good news for democrats. we asked people an open-ended question, what's the most important issue affecting your vote? two of the top three were the economy and inflation, no surprise there, but the only other issue that broke into double digits was abortion. i think that is a sign of the reaction among some abortion rights supporters to the supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade and that could also be helpful for democrats as they look to the november mid terms. >> i think that's exactly what matthew dowd was talking about. you have the first couple of issue, which are those economic issues, but the only other one in double digits was abortion. usually we find when you've been around a long time as i have, those hot-button issues get

talked about a lot but don't get to the polls. that leads us to the question of how much of a motivator would that be? >> it could be a motivator. we also saw issues that had no traction with voters, voters are not concerned, not more than 2 or 3% with gun violence, with climate change, with border security, some of the issues that traditionally we see a lot of voters worried about is not the case. voters are concerned about abortion most of all, though. they are concerned about the economy. 50% of americans tell us they feel the economy is already in a recession. they feel this in their own lives and it's affecting how they live their daily lives. six in ten say they've cut back on going out to dinner and almost half are driving less, cancelling or postponing vacation plans because of their concerns about vacation. >> 45% cutting back on

groceries. we're looking at those responses you have there, the same number that you say are cancelling vacation or travel plans, all of which obviously have a po potential impact on the economy. and they are worse on households with annual incomes under $50,000? >> you can really see how hard hit families with the lower middle class income level are having. 70% say they're going out to dinner less often, 60% are driving less, 60% are cutting back on groceries. so those are some very basic aspects of their lives that they see affected every day they go to the grocery storeñoño

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the kremlin today saying there is no concrete deal for the release of two americans, wnba star brittney griner. secretary of state antony blinken said it would involve the use of a russian arms

dealer. he's dubbed the merchant of death. joining me now, elizabeth vargas. david, the kremlin at the same time, what's going on there? >> i think that themlin is trying to drag this out, basically brittney and paul are political prisoners. the russian government is using them as leverage. i think they'll want brittney griner's trial to continue. it's a farcical trial. i think it's a step forward by the biden administration to close this deal. secretary of state blinken is trying to pressure the russians to say there's a deal on the

table, release these two americans. i think it will take time but russia will respond. >> the name "merchant of death" would make you wonder why the u.s. would make a deal involving him. what's the argument behind the idea that this is a bad idea? >> well, he's, you know -- i'm sorry, the concern is you're creating -- a big change in the past five years is in the past the majority of americans kidnapped abroad was taken by extremist groups. i was kidnapped by the taliban. that has changed. today the majority of american kidnaps overseas are being obtained by authoritarian governments, by russia, iran, venezuela. the danger is this is the new pattern, that governments will take americans hostage and use them as leverage against the united states. i think what the u.s. needs to do is develop a long-term

strategy, deter states from doing this. they can punish states in trade negotiations, they can sanction individuals who are involved in totally i think unjust and unfair detentions, but this new phenomena of the term of state hostage takings, where states are taking innocent americans captive is very alarming. there's 50 other americans held around the world, again most of them by authoritarian regimes. i think a trade will work but there has to be a long-term strategy to stop countries from doing this. >> evelyn, we don't know how many are held but as david points out, there are probably dozens of them. and their families are saying what about me? what's the answer to that? >> well, i think this is a problem for the biden administration, chris, because up until now the administration was very clear that we don't

trade. and the other problem with the trade from the perspective of the justice department, which is, you know, really first and foremost focused on making sure that criminals are apprehended, put behind bars and forced to serve out their full sentence. from the perspective of the justice department, it's demoralizing and unfair to let this man out before he has completed his prison sentence, which is 25 years and he was sentenced in 2012, you can do the math. the judge said, well, he's done about half or a little more than half of his prison time, so maybe it is kind of fair. but it's not from the old justice department perspective very fair because this man was providing arms, a lot of arms, to insurgents in colombia who were labeled terrorists by our government, citing not just against the columbians and it

was a big effort by the entire u.s. law enforcement community to capture him in cooperation with our allies overseas, thailand in particular. so the problem is not just how do you get -- what is the result of these countries seizing other americans but also for the justice department. i would just say that i agree with david, we need a better policy. these families do deserve the u.s. government to take all steps that can be made, any deals that are potentially possible to get their loved ones home. it is a problem for the overall policy. >> so let me finish up, david, by asking you what we know about what is likely going on behind the scenes right now to bring this deal that antony blinken talked about yesterday to fruition? >> i think there is more communication between the u.s. and russian government than we

realize. i think the u.s. is frustrated. i think they offered this quite a while ago and they expected him to quietly carry out some sort of exchange and the russians hadn't responded. i was very surprised when blinken publicly said this offer is on the table. usually this is done kwaily quietly behind the scenes. i don't see a trade until i think it's a sham trial. i think it outrageous that brittney griner is under arrest. it won't be until her trial end that there is some kind of trade. >> thank you. we're going to take you to the president of the united states at the white house where he is talking to ceos. it's the second time we've seen him addressing the economy today. let's listen. >> growth and lower inflation without letting go of all the historic gains we made the last 18 months. before we get started, i want to say two things about the gdp report we received this morning. first, it's important to start with what we know before this

morning's report. our job market remains historically strong. our economy created who are than 9 million jobs since i came to office. our economy created more than 1 million jobs in the second quarter. the same period as today's gdp report covers. and you are unemployment rate is 3.6%, near a record historic low. secondly, household and businesses, the engines are our economy, continue to move forward. just this past week, a group from korea announced 22 million in new investments in advanced batteries and electric vehicle chargers. that's on top of 200 billion from other investors since i took office. now, there's no doubt we expect growth to be slower than last

year for the rapid clip we had, but that's consistent with the transition to a stable, steady growth and lower inflation. there are going to be a lot of chatter today on wall street and among pundits about whether we are in a recession. but if we look at our job market, consumer spending, business investment, we see signs of economic progress in the second quarter as well. and yesterday's fed chairman, the fed chairman made it clear he doesn't think the u.s. economy is currently in a recession. he said, quote, there are too many areas of economics where the economy is performing too well. i said, oh, too well. the labor market as an example. the best thing we could do is to make the transition to stable, steady growth, it's for congress

to act is the best we can do. i applaud the bipartisan chips act to my desk to sign into law, which would advance our nation's competitiveness and technological edge by boosting our semiconductor production and manufacturing. and another thing that congress should do is to pass the inflation reduction act to lower prescription drug costs, which would reduce the deficit, i might add, help these inflationary pressures and ensure that 13 million americans can continue to save an average of $800 per year in their health care premiums. both of these bills are going to help the economy continue to grow, bring down inflation and make sure we're up on all the significant progress we made in the last year. i'm going to stop there and begin the meeting. but i thank the ceos for joining me. let me start with you, brian.

thanks for taking all my phone calls, pal, the bank of america. i want to ask you a question. your bank serves many americans across the country. what do you see in terms of financial health of the consumer? >> so president biden once again making his argument to the american people about the strength of the economy. i want to bring in a guest from the white house. we saw the president and janet yellen in between. talk a little bit about how this fits into the overall picture, getting these ceos together. >> reporter: well, the president mentioned business saying that that's moving forward. and so i think what you're seeing here is, as you said, the full court press and the president is trying to fan out and focus on different segments of the economy, different constituents and you heard the president again saying this is a strong economy and really

wanting to get his narrative out there on these numbers that came down today. and we've heard them do that since the beginning of week with janet yellen on "meet the press" on sunday, saying this was something they expected, these low numbers and that there was not that the country was in a recession. they're trying to flood the zone and hit on those results. >> of course, the struggling economy, feeding into those low personal approval numbers, feeding into people feeling like things are getting worse. you just broke a story on nbcnews.com that white house officials are already tracking the political activity of at least half a dozen democrats seen as potential challengers to joe biden. a lot of those folks looking at the approval ratings and saying maybe i better get ready just in case there's an opening there.

what are you learning? >> reporter: well, chris, we're learning that nobody -- democrats are not openly saying they're going to challenge president biden. they're saying he's politically seen as weakened so there's this vacuum that the white house sees some democrats as sort of fill, biding time to wait and see as to whether or not president biden should run or will run and he said he is running for reelection. they tried to bring in some of those democrats that could be seen as having designs on 2024, governor pritzker of illinois, governor newsom of california, the white house hosting them. we know they've made some calls to some democrats offering praise and a resort of charm

offensive, the things that governor newsom told his chief of staff directly, that he does not intend to run in 2024. one democratic donor said this is kind of like having a bunch of democrats having their swim suits on underneath their clothes ready to jump into the water if the moment is right. there are democrats who are really frustrated by that. they think it's stupid. they think it is making the president weaker and that doesn't help them in the long run in 2024 and then there are democrats who are concerned that president biden isn't necessarily the best candidate for 2024 and so the white house is having to contend with this, chris. >> great reporting. carol lee, you can find it on nbcnews.com. and still ahead, the man accused of shooting seven people dead at a parade in illinois was just indicted on 117 charges, but will his father, who co-sponsored his gun license be

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miracle. they refused to give up on cooper. they were not going to let that little boy die. and how do you say thank you for that? >> joining me now is civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst charles motivation behind 117 different charges. previously they filed seven murder charges. what do you make of the sheer number here. >> it tells me the speed with which we've seen prosecutors act in this case is they're taking it seriously. when you think about the term "to the full extent of the law," this is what that looks like. they're actually looking to have this person held accountable for every person who was a casualty or who was injured because of his actions. i think that's not something we always see. we usually see prosecutors focus on the top counts when it comes to indictments. in this case what we're already seeing with the indictment -- i do think that, if the motive is

revealed, there could be additional charges that are added to the indictment at a later point. but what we've seen so far is that prosecutors are literally looking to prosecute this case to the full extent of the law by making sure this individual is held accountable for every person who was injured as a result of his actions. >> do you have to clearly, charles enumerate or prove charges in order to get convictions in a case like this. >> no, you don't. i think that's why we've seen 117 different accounts come about. there are a number of different homicide and homicide-related charges that do not require intent. reckless, for example, a number of the charges on the indictment now, are rooted in a reckless standard. the reckless standard basically requires an indifference to human life. in this case what we know so far and what we've already seen suggests that prosecutors may have enough to move forward with that, which is why we've seen that come before the grand jury

and appear on the indictment. intent is not necessary. if they ultimately do find intent at a later point, that's when more serious and higher charges will likely be added to the indictment. >> i was in highland park in the aftermath of the shooting. obviously this was a grieving community. many of those members of the community also came up to me to tell me they were furious about the suspect's father, apparently signing off on his son's gun purchase. the prosecutor said pretty quickly he was looking into that. so far he has not acted. what are the legal considerations when kwluk at making a move like that? >> chris, something like that would be highly unusual from a legal standpoint. even as he sponsored his son getting the gun license, he can't necessarily be held accountable for what his son actually does with the gun that he purchases legally unless, and this is what prosecutors would have to prove, it can be established that he was fully

aware or aware of the intent of the crime. that's a really, really high bar. that's why we have not seen in cases like these -- in most cases like these, we won't see a parent, even someone who sponsored the gun license, be held criminally liable because it's a foreseeability issue when you don't have the person who actually pulled the trigger. in the absence of clear evidence and direct evidence that there was aiding and abetting to this individual in terms of carrying out these acts, you would then have to substitute that by showing that the parents or his father was clearly aware of what it was that he intended to do and did nothing and did not act or essentially aided him in committing this crime. that's going to be a really high bar for any prosecutor to hit. so i don't know if we'll see those, but it is encouraging at least that the prosecutors in this case are looking into it despite the fact it would be difficult to accomplish. >> let me go back if i can for a min tout the main case itself which is against the alleged

shooter. again, this all unfolded very quickly, the kind of evidence that they were able to gather, the video evidence they gathered, the interview with the suspect. if you're the defense attorney, what are you talking about right now? >> as a defense attorney in this case, i think one of the things that came into prosecutor's minds was that there was a confession, that apparently the alleged suspect in this case acknowledged that he emptied the clip, reloaded and emptied the clip again. i would be going over that with a fine-tooth comb and trying to preclude as much evidence as possible that incriminated my client. i'm going to go over this investigation with a fine-tooth comb because, you know, anything about the traffic stop that ultimately led to his apprehension and arrest, anything that i can, to basically make sure that proceed usually there is no room for

error in this case is where i'm going to focus. if i can't get those things in, if i can't keep those things from being in front of the jury, then i have an opportunity to potentially question the police's paperwork, their investigation and whether things were done up to code and up to standard. >> charles coleman, it's always good to have your experience and perspective, thank you so much. good to see you today. meantime, nick mulvaney is meeting today with the january 6th committee. mulvaney resigned after the kreks. moments ago he arrived at the capitol. nbc news had the only camera there to ask about his appearance. >> what are you planning to tell the committee today? >> the truth. how about that for a start? >> were you asked to come in, or did you volunteer to come in?

>> asked. >> subpoena or no? >> honestly, just asked to come in. >> mulvaney is testifying behind closed doors. mike pom pompeo has been asked to appear before the committee as well. that's going to do it for me today. i'm chris jansing. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. is a journey for the curious traveler, one that many have yet to discover. exploring with viking brings you closer to the world, to the history, the culture, the flavors, a serene river voyage on an elegant viking longship. learn more at viking.com i gotta say moving in together has been awesome. a serene river voyage on an elegant viking longship. no regrets.

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