washington now in a race against the clock to try and stop a shrinking economy with president biden talking about that new gdp report just now for the second time today, hoping congress tosses a lifeline. he might get it. with democrats sprinting toward a vote on a huge bill they say will curb inflation and try to lower the temperature on recession concerns if, if they have the votes. coming in to us now, new comments, kind of, from senator kyrsten sinema. we'll tell you what she's saying or more importantly what she's not saying, as we also talk to senator amy klobuchar. another former trump whous aide, mick mulvaney, speaking with the committee today. our team the only ones to catch up with him on the way in. we're going inside that prisoner swap deal. the latest on any direct talks

between the u.s. and russia and how soon paul whelan and brittney griner could be home as we go one-on-one with national security spokesperson john kirby. i'm hallie jackson in washington on this thursday afternoon. carol lee over at the white house, jake ward posted up for us in san francisco, our business reporter. carol, let me start with you. this is time number two we're hearing from the president today on the economic news of the day. >> reporter: that's right, hallie. what you're seeing is not just the president but across the administration, a number of officials are out talking about the economy today addressing these gdp numbers. this is an effort to try to shape the narrative. part of what you're hearing from the president, you might be hearing bad news about the economy, but it's not that bad. he's also saying this is no surprise, that the economy was always going to slow down as the fed steps in and tries to

address inflation. he's pointing to things like a strong jobs market as reasons why in his view -- it's not his say, to determine whether or not the country is in a recession, but he's saying the economy is absolutely not in a recession. take a listen to some of what he said today. >> there's going to be a lot of chatter today on wall street and among pundits about whether we are in a recession. if you look at our job market, consumer spending, business investment, we see signs of economic progress in the second quarter as well. >> reporter: so the president also saying that the economy is essentially on the right path, but there's more work to do. this is the message we've heard from this white house for a number of months now. and part of what he has in terms of momentum is the possibility of getting some legislation through that he says will tackle inflation and also try to deal with the deficit. so making a plug for those bills, too. >> jake, to be clear, i think

folks know that nobody can call it a recession, technically, except for the national bureau of economic research, but there is that word that is out in the ether after this report that says, as we keep hearing about this economic picture, it's complicated. yes, the economy is shrinking, as we found out today, again for the second quarter. the unemployment rate, though, is also very low. >> that is the thing here, hallie. we're in such a weird moment. by the classic academic definition of recession that the nber has always used, two back-to-back quarters of a shrinking economy, that equals recession. recently they've had to change that because the math doesn't add up anymore. they kalt more of a significant decline in economic activity that's spread across the economy and lasts for more than a few months. right now we've got all these strange, mixed-up indicators. you have record low employment.

people saving money during the pandemic like they never have before. this is why janet yellen had this to say about the various indicators we're seeing and why they may not add up to the "r" word. take a listen. >> most economists and most americans have a similar definition of recession. substantial job losses and mass lay-offs, businesses shutting down, private sector activity slowing considerably, family budgets under immense strain, and some, a broad-based weakening of our economy. that's not what we're seeing right now. >> reporter: of course, there are political points to be scored in making these sorts of statements on behalf of the administration. i think if you put a couple beers into any economist right now, they'll basically say things are strange, we can't really predict them, we don't know quite where it's going, the

tradition isn't up to the weird moment. >> folks will see on the left side of their screen president biden and treasury secretary yellen speaking. carol lee, jake ward, thank you both. congress, as carol mentioned, is racing to try to address inflation with democrats possibly, maybe, potentially, almost on the brink of passing big legislation with huge investments on climate, on taxes, on health care, if the democrats can all stick together. the senate estimates $740 billion in new revenue through changes through taxes, 15% corporate minimum tax, going after corporations that don't pay their taxes. it includes $64 billion to lower health care premiums and $370 billion spending on energy security and climate change. this is a big thing. this is a big bill.

it's been being negotiated in some form or another for the better part of a year here. here we are, and there are new dynamics at play. senator schumer is telling democrats he wants to get this done before the august recess. the president wants to get them done. let me play what the president said. watch. >> my message to congress is this: this is the strongest bill you can pass to lower inflation, cut the deficit, reduce health care costs, tackle the climate crisis and promote energy security, all the time while reducing the burdens facing working class and middle class families. so pass it, pass it for the american people, pass it for america. >> are they going to, scott? >> that is the million-dollar question on capitol hill. democrats are jubilant right now over this manchin-schumer deal.

if you remember, we used to call this build back better. democrats, progressives, moderates fought for this package for an entire year last year. if you remember all those twists and turns, and it was left for dead. if you look at all these different things in it, $400 billion for tax reform, climate and energy, deficit reduction, health care subsidies, lower prescription drugs. there's a lot for democrats to like. they are quietly celebrating, some more boisterously. they really feel like this is within grasp. so there are a couple big hurdles in the way right now. number one, kyrsten sinema, the other key moderate. we don't quite know where she is. she is not commenting. she was not part of these negotiations. let's hear a little bit about

what joe manchin had to say about his colleague kyrsten sinema and the state of play of this new legislation. >> first of all, with keir sten, our people are working intensely. our people wrote the bill, wrote the context. that's why everything was ready last night. we worked with schumer staff. they were very constructive. everybody give and take a little bit. the white house, they were basically kept apprised of what was going on to a certain extent. >> so if you talk to democrats on capitol hill, they feel like they've been injected with new life, hallie. they feel like they have a much more robust agenda they can run on heading into the fall if this does, indeed, pass both the senate and the house. most of the democrats here in

the capitol do believe it is possible. there's just sort of a huge level of excitement among democrats that something of this magnitude is suddenly within reach. >> scott wong live on capitol hill, thank you very much. i want to bring in someone who understands these dynamics quite well, senator amy klobuchar, thank you for being with us. >> it's great to be on. >> are all 50 democratic senators going to vote yes on this agreement? >> i think we will. i think the american people are depending on us. you point out senator sinema is still reviewing the bill. she has a long record of being supportive on environmental issues. this is so important in this bill, this major investment, getting the greenhouse gas reductions down by 40% by 2030. that's a big change. then we're on the way to where i

want to be, to net zero by 2050. the prescription drug piece and senator cinema had already negotiated pieces of that. i've been leading on this bill for a long time and it's not everything i wanted, but, man, it is a start finally. pharma has had in place a ban forever saying medicare can't negotiate less expensive drugs for our seniors, 46 million people. finally that ban is being lifted. i cannot tell you how important this deficit reduction act is and these inflation changes that we're going to see, $300 billion. senator manchin's focus on deficit reduction which is why it's called the inflation reduction act. i'm pretty excited about this package as you can see. i think people thought it couldn't happen. senator schumer never gave up and we're able to get it done. >> we talked about right before you came on, senator, with my colleague scott wong, how big of

a package this is. let me nerd out on a couple of provisions. >> great. >> the carried interest. also s.a.l.t., lifting the cap on state and local taxes. axios reporting senator mennen in does isn't in favor of that. >> one of the things that happens when you have a negotiation on something this big, you can have some last-minute discussions. but the $14 billion you save on the carried interest -- what's been happening, as you know, these financial managers, instead of paying regular income tax, have been taking advantage of a much lower rate. it makes no sense to me and anyone that wants to look out for middle class families. all of these things will be negotiated i'm sure. but i really think this is a solid package and the framework

we need to move forward. >> so what i hear you saying, reading between the lines here, that some of these smaller provisions that we just raised may end up not in the final deal. you would be supportive of that if the big picture stuff gets through. is that fair to say? >> $14 billion isn't that small, as you can imagine, to a lot of people, including your cameraman. what i'm thinking is i really believe this is a strong framework and i think it's one that can withstand a lot of criticism. there's so many things in it. it's going to withstand whatever the republicans and mitch mcconnell want to throw at it. good luck. we're with aarp bringing down the cost of prescription drugs. that is a major, major deal. the california fires are burning right there on the cusp of yosemite. we've got fires in the west. we've had them in northern minnesota last summer. we have to do something about climate change. it is right at our doorstep.

it's not decades or sentries away. that's why we're so excited about this. >> yes, i was referring, to be clear, the relative scale of some of the tax provisions we talked about. i hear you on the rest of it. i want to get your reaction to breaking news. i was going to ask you about chips. it has passed the house, 243-187. i know there had been rumblings of a question mark about that, given the manchin-schumer deal. we know house republicans had been whipping against it. you cheered, i imagine that's the extent of it. >> this is about the fact that, whether it's your cell phone, whether it's a car, you need these semiconductors, only 12% are made in america right now. it used to be like 37%. we don't want to be dependent on foreign countries to get this really, really important part of so many of our electronics and

goods. in my state alone we've got two chips manufacturing, skywater and polar -- got to get in for the locals. i'm really excited about this. senator schumer worked with senator young on this. a lot of help from the house. i couldn't believe what you just brought up. okay, we had an agreement on energy, investing in renewables, bringing down greenhouse gases. suddenly the republicans were going to deny us the chips bill that so many supported because they were mad because we included clean energy. that didn't make sense to me. so i am so glad that the house did the right thing and got this done. >> i'm glad the timing worked out that we had you as this is passing. before i let you go, i have to ask you about something else that jon stewart was talking about today, the support of the pack deck that would have supported health ben facilities for veterans who got hurt in burn pits overseas.

70% of your colleagues may be dropping support of this. i want to play for you what jon stewart had to say. >> yes. >> america's heroes outside sweating their [ bleep ] off with oxygen battling all kinds of ailments while these [ bleep ] sit in the air conditioning walled off from any of it! >> strong words from jon stewart who has been fighting for this. do you think it's going to make a difference, to get this bill over the finish line? >> i think it's not just jon stewart saying it. he's saying it on behalf of all our veterans, even those that didn't serve in iraq and afghanistan. this is our agent orange, this generation's agent orange. i've got a man in my state, brian muller whose wife amy served next to one of the most notorious burn pits. she died at a young age leaving three babies. she had pancreatic cancer.

case after case after case, and this work that senator tester has led, this work is so important. i've been proud to be a part of it. we can't talk the talk of standing with our troops and not stand with them. there's been significant republican support for this, i believe it's going to come back. i don't think they want to be on the opposite end of all of our veterans groups who cherish this bill and felt we were so close to the finish line. we're going to get it done. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you very much for your time on what is shaping up to be a very busy couple of weeks in washington. appreciate it. >> thanks, hallie. president biden and chinese president xi jinping jumping on the phone today. an exclusive look at how the u.s. is getting ready for the negligent pandemic. we go inside the national stockpile of equipment and vaccines coming up. first, the big january 6th revelations we're following, including the latest trump white house advisor to meet with the

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some significant developments in the last few hours in the investigations, plural, into the january 6th insurrection. let me start with house select committee chairman bennie thompson. he's confirming to nbc news that the panel has a formal path, an official way to be able to share material, evidence, documents, et cetera, with the justice department. the doj has been wanting to get their hands on thousands of pages of documents and hours of testimony that the committee has. by the way, that testimony being added to today with this guy. sources telling nbc news former trump chief of staff mick mulvaney is being asked to appear today. >> can i just ask what you plan to tell the committee today? >> the truth. how about that for a start? >> were you asked to come in or did you volunteer? >> i was asked to come in. >> subpoena or no?

>> i was just asked to come in. >> let's bring in capitol hill correspondent allie raffa and justice department correspondent ryan -- >> hallie, remember a couple weeks ago chairman bennie thompson said the committee was willing to share these thousands of pages of evidence and transcripts of witness interviews with the justice department. he said that will have to wait because it was a very big burden to put on his staff. now you see them saying there is a path, a working path between the committee and the justice department. that's likely because the committee's work is extending further and longer than originally expected. they left at the last hearing saying they're going to take this month-long break in hearings before coming back in september for possibly more, releasing that interim report in september. this appearance by mulvaney today was sort of a surprise, but also we saw committee

members hinting at this on the sunday shows last weekend, saying the committee had already lined up interviews with former administration officials, former members of the trump campaign. remember mulvaney was the former president's chief of staff before mark meadows, but during the election and on january 6th he was actually serving as a special envoy to northern ireland. mulvaney saying the night of january 6th he made a phone call to then secretary of state mike pompeo to resign and pompeo, on that note, is another person the committee could be speaking with soon. pompeo saying on fox news just a few hours ago that he's willing to now speak with the committee. these are two people who were at one point extremely close to the president, had a lot of access to him, had worked with him for years. they have knowledge of his character, his thinking, his mood around this time. something we think the committee

could be asking about as well, what the committee is interested in, what were the conversations white house officials were having around january 6th as to whether the invoke the 25th amendment. the committee members saying they want to know what conversations were being had about taking power away from the president in the aftermath of january 6th. >> ali, thank you. ryan, let me get the view from you, somebody who covers the justice department, and how this more formal sharing agreement, if we can call it that, might help the department of justice. let me start there. >> i think the reaction from doj will be finally, as they've been pushing the committee for this for a while. remember there's a multitude of ways in which this evidence of the committee can impact not only current investigations but future investigations. it will be important for testing witnesses, for example, to make sure what they're telling the january 6th committee is the same as what they're telling the justice department. it can bring up new information

that maybe wasn't told to federal investigators. it can launch new cases. i think one of the big things is now e that we have major trials coming forward. you look at the oath keepers trial coming up in several months down the road, that's something they want to get that evidence out there. the worst thing that could happen for doj is right as they're ready to go to trial, it turns out the committee has a bunch of information they've now made public about the oath keepers and it either undermines a witness or provides new information, may get a new charge, something they hadn't thought about pursuing before. there's a variety of different ways in which it could impact the dodge investigation. even though doj sees this completely as a one-way street. this isn't something where the doj will be reciprocal and send them information about their on going investigation. >> you also have new reporting about court filings unsealed.

>> brandon strack co-was sentenced back in january. given home detention and three years of probation. one of the first indications that we got about this broader look into trump's actions on january 6th and in the lead-up to january 6th was through this case, because a defense attorney actually made a filing in brendan straka's case saying essentially doj investigators were asking and trying to build this idea of a conspiracy between trump supporters and trump to stop the transfer of power. that's what they say the questions were all about. at the time this was under seal, but more information has come out about who straka was cooperating with the feds again. including a number of people in the stop the steal moment, a right wing commentator that went into nancy pelosi's office. it's an interesting look into

what information was going to doj back at that point through one of these individuals who is a cooperator. he's still a major figure on the right and is getting a little backlash from a lot of his fellow conservatives about cooperating with the justice department investigation, hallie. >> brian rally, allie raffa, thanks for your reporting, appreciate it. coming up on the show, why a golf tournament set to start tomorrow is becoming an international flashpoint. it involves donald trump, saudi arabia and september 11th. president biden and president xi talking for more than two hours today. we're asking a top administration spokesperson about what they said and maybe what they didn't. about to see senate majority leader chuck schumer uking about the chips bill on the way to the white house. you can bet he's going to get questions on that new spending bill and deal with senator schumer. we'll take you live when it happens. ppens.

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when was the last phone call you had that lasted longer than two hours? for president biden it was today with president xi of china. two hours and 17 minutes to be exact. officially from what we understand through public channels, the two talked about

the global economic slowdowns, the pandemic still going on, the war in ukraine, china and the u.s. at odds there over the russian invasion. the topic of taiwan came up, presumably sparked by an upcoming visit to that country by nancy pelosi. china says if that happens, it would require them to take forceful measures. even u.s. military leaders say it probably wouldn't be the best idea right now. i want to bring in john kirby. mr. kirby, good to see you. >> thanks, hallie. good to be with you. >> let me start with the china call. the readout officially from the white house didn't mention the name of house speaker nancy pelosi. did she come up on this call? >> there was an awful lot discussed. i'll leave it at the readout. clearly tensions over taiwan were certainly on the agenda. >> let me ask you to pull back then, wearing your national

security spokesperson hat, do you believe that a visit by the house speaker to taiwan would constitute a national security threat to the united states? >> i want to remind that there's been no decision by the speaker and no announcement of travel. i'm not going to get ahead of her or her staff. what we're doing is what we do every time she thinks about traveling overseas, provide her context, facts, information, geopolitical things she needs to think about and make sure that, if and when she travels, we can make sure we're meeting her security needs. those needs are going to change depending on where she goes. i don't want to get ahead of the speaker. >> you called china's rhetoric es queue latorrery. do you believe that could have a long lasting impact or are you confident whatever was said on the call today might have helped mitigate that? >> the president had a substantive conversation with president xi today. he believes that it's important to keep the lines of

communication open. so, no, leading up to the phone call did we find the rhetoric coming out of the chinese side helpful? no, and we said that. today was a good, constructive, candid conversation that lasted a while, and it covered an awful lot of ground in that conversation. this is one of the most consequential bilateral relationships in the world. the president believes strongly that being able to have open lines of communication even -- perhaps even especially on issues where there's tension in the relationship will do a lot to help keep those tensions at a moderate and reasonable level. >> given how consequential this relationship is, did they make plans to talk genny time soon? >> i don't think there was a date in the future for another conversation, but they did agree that they need to keep these lines of communication open and they did agree to keep talking. but i don't believe there was one put on the calendar just yet. >> okay. let me ask you about the other significant piece of international news that we on this show in particular have

been following extremely closely, and that is this potential deal, this substantial deal, as the u.s. has put it to get brittney griner and paul whelan out of russia. i already know, mr. kirby, you're not going to get into details on what this prisoner swap could entail. i will ask you about the timeline. is it weeks, is it months, is it longer do you think? >> in terms of actually securing their release? >> correct. >> we don't know. one of the reasons why we wanted to talk about this yesterday was because this is a proposal that actually has been on the table for a matter of weeks and there hasn't been much movement. we felt it was important to lay out the fact that we actually have put forth an offer. we believe it is substantial. that's the word we are using, and we urge the russians to take a step on this so we can get brittney and paul whelan home to their families. how long is it going to take? i just don't know. obviously we are working with a sense of urgency.

we want this to happen now. we would like to see them home tomorrow if we could do it. >> is there any sense that you would have to wait for griner's trial to be over before this deal could be accepted by russia? it seems like that's what her attorneys have said is kind of the floor for this. >> i think it's important to remember that she shouldn't be on trial right now to begin with. again, we would like to see brittney home today if we could do it today. that's why we're acting on our half with a sense of urgency here, hallie. i don't know about the russian side and whether that's a game they're playing, to just see how this trial goes and then be willing to talk seriously. i'm just not sure, and i don't want to negotiate in public. we don't believe she should be standing trial at all. we believe we've made a substantial offer that we would like the russians to actually accept so we can get her home. >> russian officials suggested this is not something that is talked about in public, if you will. is there any concern inside the administration that coming out and making this public statement about a possible deal could

backfire? >> we didn't make the decision lightly, and i said that yesterday. this isn't something we did on the spot here. you're right, we don't typically talk about the details of negotiations, and thus far we haven't done that. i know there's an insatiable interest in exactly what this proposal looks like. we're not going to go into that level of detail. we feel like, given the circumstances, what was happening, what isn't happening, of course in the context of her trial, we felt mentioning this yesterday publicly maybe might help spur things along. it will be interesting to see how things go now with the russians going forward. >> just to be clear, you can't officially confirm that this is a prisoner swap in exchange for viktor bout? >> i can no and i won't talk about the specifics. >> does president biden have any plans to meet with the families? >> the president had a chance to talk to cherelle griner, of

course. that wasn't too long ago. we have stayed in touch with both families very, very closely throughout. we have kept them constantly informed of the status of the negotiations and the pace of the negotiations. we're going to keep doing that at various level, from secretary blinken to jake sullivan, the national security adviser, to josh get ser, our deputy homeland security adviser and, of course, the special envoy for hostage affairs. at all levels we're engaging the families. >> as far as an in-person meeting with the president, that's still tbd at the moment? >> i don't have a scheduled appointment today. we will stay constantly in touch at all levels. that has included the president. >> john kirby posted up on the white house north lawn. good to see you. >> you, too, hallie. what the white house is doing to stop democratic rising stars from trying to grab the 2024 spotlight, and why some say it's not working. first, another nbc news

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now. >> officials told us there wasn't enough funding to respond to a crisis like the covid-19 pandemic. for example, the masks at the start of the stockpile hadn't been replaced since 2009 because there wasn't any money to buy anymore. so officials say the stockpile is now more geared to handle infectious diseases. they said they've invested billions of dollars in protective gear including making significant expansions in n95 masks, ventilators and rest praters. a report from the national academy of sciences also called for more transparency into what goes into the stockpile including forming an outside advisory committee that can advice and deliver input about what goes into the stockpile. other experts also told us they want more partnerships with private companies that can be leveraged during times of crisis like the pandemic and also, of course, more funding from

congress, hallie. >> berkeley lovelace, jr. you can catch more reporting tonight on "nbc nightly news with lester holt" tonight at 6:30 eastern on whatever channel your local nbc affiliate is. other brand new reporting from our nbc news team, taking us inside the white house strategy to stop would-be democratic rivals from taking the 2024 spotlight, a strategy that we're learning some say has not been especially effective. white house officials really watching the political activity of at least half a dozen so-called rising democrats seen as maybe potential alternatives in the next presidential election. you see them on their screen, california governor gavin newsom, jamie pritzker, ro khanna. i want to bring in nbc news senior political reporter natasha korecky. what are you learning about this keep your frenemies close. >> we're learning the white

house is paying close attention to what these 204 hopefuls are saying, what they're doing. they've compiled a list of different quotes they've made. they're following them on their social media. they're following what they're doing and where they're traveling. when you say frenemies, it means they're trying to sweet-talk some of these people. governor pritzker was invited not just to a white house' haven't, but into the oval office where, as we detail in this story, pritzker later went to florida where he addressed democrats. it turned up speculation that pritzker was interested in running in 2024. we've seen lots of different examples with gavin newsom, primarily because of the ads he's been running in florida and in texas that is going straight at desantis, going straight at abbott. the narrative the white house is trying to really tamp down is

that there is no inevitability with biden. what they want to try to sell is that biden is president, he's going to run in 2024, they do not need or want anybody thinking that he is going to be a lame duck president right now. >> natasha, it's a great read. colorful quotes in there. thank you, appreciate it. coming up, 9/11 families blasting former president trump for hosting a saudi-backed golf tournament. we're going to talk with one of them next. the mooing. [girls laugh] breyers natural vanilla is made with 100% grade-a milk and cream and only sustainably farmed vanilla. better starts with breyers. finding the perfect designer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a fresh bowl of matcha and a fresh batch of wireframes. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com

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remember, this was the site of the former president's first international trip when he was in office and there's one group taking a pretty vocal stance against this, 9/11 families putting out a new ad calling out the former president for hosting it. watch. >> this golf tournament is taking away 50 miles from ground zero. >> it's disgusting. >> worse than a slap in the face. >> you're taking money from an evil regime. >> these are 3,000 americans that were killed on american soil. >> how much money to turn your own back on your own country? >> in response, donald trump has told "the wall street journal" in part, i don't know much about the 9/11 families, he says. i don't know what is the relationship to this and the very strong feelings and i can understand their feelings. i want to bring in brett eagleson, whose father was killed on 9/11. i'm glad to have you on today. all i know it's difficult to talk about. how are you feeling with this tournament by all accounts set to start tomorrow less than 50

miles from ground zero? >> well, thank you for having me. it's just been a really emotional two weeks. today is really tough in particular, getting a lot of outreach from family members. some of these family members that we work with and talk with every day, half of us are -- they were big trump supporters. if you look at 9/11, 9/11 is a microcosm of our country. 9/11 didn't differentiate whether you were democrat, republican or whatever, and you know, to look at some of the fdny and nypd, most of them, you know, are voting along the blocks republican and most were trump supporters. he's just losing so much support on this issue. no one can understand the position he's taking and the fact that he says that he doesn't understand what the issue is and it was what he said live in 2016, on "fox & friends," the saudis knocked down the tower and he looked me and my mother in the eye and

said he would help us and he told william barr to block the fbi documents coming out and we now have the fbi documents and thanks to an order by president biden. the documents that he blocked show without a doubt that at least 13 saudi government officials were responsible for 9/11. one of which was working for saudi intelligence. so it's been really emotional to see the president lying to us, lying to the american public. this flies in the face of his america first policy and i think this really going to be an issue for him and probably why he loses any kind of primary. you know, and the other question i want to ask is how much is he personally benefiting from this? no one seems to know the answer from this? i wish the media would ask. how much is he getting to host the tournament at his two courses. >> to the point of what happened on 9/11, i want to play something from on camera from

espn. i want to play it for folks. >> gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, and they should have as to the maniacs that did that horrible thing to our city, to our country, to the world and nobody's really been there, but i can tell you that there are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we'll have a lot of fun and we will celebrate and money's going to charity. >> at the top of that the audio cut off, nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately. obviously, was there a 9/11 commission. i just wonder your reaction to that. >> our fbi's gotten to the bottom of it and you raise a good point with the 9/11 commission and the saudis and the media at large has pointed to the findings of the 9/11 commission and the 9/11 commission ended in 2004. the fbi didn't really start investigating the saudi role into 9/11 until 2007. so the documents that we're talking about here today, the ones that recently have been declassified and some were dated

2014, '16 and '17 and the findings are now null and void. we now have new evidence, new materials and new documents and the fbi has come out and said at least a dozen saudi government officials were responsible for making sure that it was successful and the president knows this. he's boldly lying to the american people. he's lying to the families. this is the worst form of greed and the worst form of evil that we have ever seen and he is hemorrhaging support over this and we can't understand why he's choosing to dig his feet -- to dig his heels in on this. >> brett, in the 30 seconds i have left on the show, i know you plan to protest tomorrow at bedminster. what's the goal here? >> our number one goal is public education. look, there are these golfers that are choosing to do this and some of them tried to get away and stick their head in the sand and try to pretend they don't know about the golfers and it's the vendors and the

chainsmokers, shame on them for acting like they have no idea what's going on. every vendor, every golfer, everyone should be well aware of the saudi atrocities that happen all over the world. everyone should be talking about the fbi documents and they should be talking about the president biden executive order. so that's our number one goal is public awareness, public attention, public pressure and we hope with enough public outcry that this tournament will cease to exist and the 9/11 community and families will finally have justice 21 years later. >> brett eagleson, thank you so much for your perspective and for being on with us this afternoon. i appreciate it. and thanks to all of you for watching msnbc. "deadline: white house" starts right after the break. house" ss right after the break. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments.

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>> hi there, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. i'm ayman mohyeldin in for nicole wallace. the january 6th committee is gaining team steam. the floodgates have opened and new reporting suggests that the panel has either heard from or is on the verge of hearing from some very important witnesses. a major focus of the committee in recent days, conversations among top cabinet officials about invoking the 25th amendment to actually remove donald trump from office in the days after the january 6th insurrection. treasury secretary steve mnuchin has sat down for a