you are busy on a friday night, which i get. because i'll share with you why the doj started narrowly and why the new evidence shows you have to look much broader. you have to look at this as a multi-faceted coup conspiracy if you want to address and prevent the next one. i'll explain more tomorrow. that does it for us tonight. "the reid out" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reid out" -- >> what do you plan to tell the committee today? >> the truth. how about that for a start? >> were you asked to come in or did you volunteer to come in? >> asked to come in. >> subpoena or no? >> i was honestly just asked to come in. >> the january 6th committee meets with former trump acting chief of staff mick mulvaney. the doj will finally get its hands on the enormous collection of evidence. also tonight, it's been a

very good week for president biden with some major victories in congress while republicans were doing the usual, like voting against veterans and american technology. plus, the republican embrace of christian nationalism proves they do not know their history. we've seen this story before and it doesn't end well. and trump is playing host to the big saudi golf tournament this weekend insulting 9/11 families in the process. trump actually defended the saudis saying, quote, nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11. seriously. we begin tonight with a major development in the duelling january 6th investigations. the house select committee has agreed to a formal path to share evidence and witness transcripts with the justice department as it escalates its own investigation. first reported by politico chairman bennie thompson confirmed the agreement on a template for evidence and witness transcript sharing. it is a major step at the extent of the justice department's

investigation has become increasingly public and more urgent. but the washington post first reporting that the doj is scrutinizing the former president's actions in its criminal probe. chairman thompson said he anticipates a report on the national guard response to the attack will be released in august as the committee continued its work today. former acting chief of staff mick mulvaney met with the panel for a virtual taped deposition. meanwhile, former secretary of state mike pompeo said he is in discussions with the committee about possible testimony and according to multiple reports, the committee has interviewed former treasury secretary steve mnuchin. zeroing in on members of the former president's cabinet suggests that the committee could be looking for more information regarding possible discussions about invoking the 25th amendment against the former president in the aftermath of the attack on the capitol. pompeo and mnuchin reportedly discussed that possibility at the time as reported by jonathan

carl of abc news in his book "betrayal." in the meantime, cassidy hutchinson is cooperating. we know the department obtained phone records from her former boss, mark meadows, in april. back in washington today following his covid diagnosis, committee chairman bennie thompson indicated that the justice department had expressed interest in evidence surrounding the fake pro trump elector's feed. >> i think we have made a significant daze case that there are some problems there and if that is the direction the department of justice has taken, then, you know, we are a nation of laws and they are a prosecutorial body to look at them but it is up to them to tell us what they want. >> joining us is carol leonig

and glen kirshner. carol, i'm going to start with you. pompeo and mnuchin apparently coming in to talk primarily about whether or not the 25th amendment was considered, something jonathan carl has written in his book. in essence, what will be the significance potentially or is there significance to -- in your reporting on the justice department side. because that state of mind stuff if two or more of his cabinet members thought he might need a 25th amendment option, is that something that could be traversing the line into the department of justice investigation? >> you know, it really is a great question, but i think what's important there is whether or not donald trump knew they were considering that, right? his state of mind is really about what he knew and what he wanted. a critical point that's been raised over and over again was did he know the election was not rigged?

well, there must have been two dozen people who told him it wasn't and they had all of the information at their disposal. most notably bill barr. in the case of the 25th amendment, i find it really interesting, but i believe that the president had to know that that little plot was afoot in order for it to matter. >> glen, can you talk about the significance of there now being an agreement? that had been a point of contention, whether or not the committee would hand over its work product in essence to the justice department. now that we know they are pursuing their own investigation, we're now learning the justice department actually back in april got phone records from keogh figures alls and aides and that does include mark meadows. that seems significant. >> it is significant and it proves that the department of justice has been digging in in ways and at times that no one knew. i think with respect to the transcripts, i have a feeling they will all go over to the

department of justice from the j 6 committee but it feels like this is the j 6 committee flexing its branch of muscle, saying we're doing a lot of work, presenting it to the american people and when we've completed our task we will be providing you with the transcripts that you can then use because, joy, they can take these transcripts, they can present them to the grand jury and i suspect the federal prosecutors will want to build on them, will probably want to recall those witnesses and flesh out some things on the evidentiary front that the j 6 committee didn't do. it's all going to go over but it looks like it's all going over at the time of the j 6 committee's choosing. >> carol, to stay on this whole issue, this issue of trump's state of mind. you wrote in a book you are very familiar with, the book i alone can fix it that there was a concern trump would actually try to use the military to attempt a military coup in order to stay in power.

i want to play general mark milli. in one of the committee interviews that the january 6th committee conducted and this is regarding how mark meadows and mike pompeo perceived donald trump's state of mind. >> i thought it was a couple of calls where, you know, meadows and/or pompeo but more meadows, how did the president -- pompeo might say, how is the president doing? meadows would say, well, he's in a really dark place. but here's one, for example, on the 7th of january. so this is the day after, right? potus is very emotional and in a bad place, meadows. >> we know cassidy hutchinson has testified about conversations among cabinet members. mike pence was presented with this idea himself. how much in your reporting do we know about how serious trump might have been about attempting

to use the military? we know mark milley would have said absolutely not. >> joy, mark milley would have said absolutely not. he was on tenor hooks that donald trump would try such a move, a banana republic junta kind of move. that was a worry of his. as we write in our book, what phil rutger and i wrote about the catastrophic year, 2020, milley was prepared for this moment. he believed donald trump was whipping up a furor, whipping up panic and tension among his supporters, calling them to washington, we'll be wild on january 6th, and was trying to create this anger about a stolen election. your votes have been stolen, completely false, but all toward the end of supporting donald trump's ability to create chaos,

create violence ultimately and consequently all in the furtherance of a scheme to overturn the rightful votes of americans. milley and others -- forgive me, but one thing that's chilling to me is milley and several of his joint chiefs met to plan what would they do if donald trump gave them orders to use the military for nefarious purposes, either to create panic and chaos, or to try to intervene in the certification of the election. and they all agreed that one by one they would essentially throw their bodies over in front of this scheme. they would resign and then others agreed that they would not agree to take their place. so in essence you wouldn't have a military anymore. the same thing happened at the department of justice. rich donnahue and jeffrey rosen warned the president, you know,

if you do this, if you try to make us claim the election is rigged, you're going to have a mass resignation at the department of justice. >> there were people who were with the oath keepers that were military. they had military backgrounds. was there any concern per your reporting among milley and other members of the cabinet that not all of the military would obey in order for mark milley to stand down? >> well, i think that that is too speculative for me as a reporter to go into. i'll tell you that para military quality of many individuals was a worry, and there were investigations in the aftermath of january 6th about some of the commentary that military members, secret service agents and even some national guard members made about january 6th,

essentially cheering on some of those insurrectionists. that was really worrisome about an enemy within. there have been a lot of conversations, really painful conversations in the department of homeland security and dod about let's talk about people inside our government who believe that the election was rigged and donald trump should still be president and root for that. >> that is the makings of a military coup. the secret service is one entity that we're now starting to worry had elements in it that were in favor of the maga coup. the secret service director is delaying his retirement. he's going to stay for the betterment of the agency and to see the agency through the investigations. we have the key members wanting the director to be removed from the secret service probe.

it's been reported that the agency deleted text messages on the capitol. so what we have now are concerns. if you're at the justice department right now, who are you subpoenaing around that? if anyone. >> so i actually think that the fbi has enough evidence, adequate predication to open a criminal probe into the deletion of these secret service texts. it's so disheartening to me, joy, when i was working cases with the secret service, when we had cell phone and we need today have forensic searches conducted, particularly if we thought the owner of the cell phone had deleted information or evidence, we went to the united states secret service forensic sciences division because it's the premiere agency to recover deleted data from electronic devices. so it really smells bad that they're saying that they inadvertently deleted all of this information after they were

asked to preserve it. but you know what, if they've done nothing wrong, they will be exonerated and they should welcome a criminal probe into their conduct. >> last question on this, too, to come back to you, carol, you've done so much reporting on the secret service. does mr. murray wanting to stay on in your reporting meet anything in terms of the concern that there may be at the upper echelons of the secret service that something nefarious went on with the deletion of those texts? >> look, you know, if the secretary and the president were worried about that, i think they would say, thank you, mr. murray, for your offer to say, but no thanks. the fact that he -- the fact that he is staying, i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that there's not a director in the wings at this moment or not a director available in the wings. we know that biden has been

considering new candidates and names have been surfacing that i'm not prepared to disclose and top three folks have been discussed. if those folks aren't ready, you can see how he, mr. murray, can be treated to be with us for a little bit longer. i would not link the secret service text issue necessarily to this. i would not see a nefarious motive. if the president and secretary wanted to say good-bye, they could say good-bye. >> carol, when you do get some reporting on that, i hope you will come back. this is a story people are interested in. always appreciate you. thank you both. up next on "the reid out," not a minute too soon, democrats are scoring significant legislative victories this week on the environment, health care and on many, many other things. how did they get it done? "the reid out" continues after this.

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forward as a nation. >> president biden today tauted a surprise deal that has put democrats on the brink of a major legislative victory. and while it may not be as ambitious as some had originally hoped, there's a skillfully entitled inflationary reduction act or build back better 2.0. it would reduce carbon emissions, invest billions in energy particular nolgs, lower the cost of prescription drugs and increase taxes on some of the richest corporations. it is the cherry on top of what has been an overall good week for the democratic party, the president and the country. it's also inspiring republicans to reach a new level of petty. almost immediately after the news of the deal dropped house republican leadership began urging members to vote against the chips plus bill, pro america, pro jobs piece of legislation that would bolster the domestic chip industry and fund scientific research. despite the fact that 17

republicans had just voted for it in the senate. that bill passed the house earlier today with 187 republicans voting against it. against the chips bill, the jobs bill. it just goes to show you how they would literally do anything to stop president biden from getting a win even if it means tapping something that could help the american people. joining me now, congressman ro khanna. congressman, it's like, wait a minute. you're against more jobs for americans because biden's for more jobs? please explain this house vote. >> joy, it's hypocrisy. this was about making semiconductors in places like ohio. governor devine ran ads saying he was proud of intel building these plants. this bill will allow intel to do that across the country and then

the republicans vote it and then they complain we're losing against china. this is the bill to win. this is why you come to congress, you can see a new energy. what we are doing this week is historic. the investments in producing here. this president, senator schumer, senator manchin reaching an agreement. ten fold what we've ever done, what any country has ever done. this is a moment for democrats or anyone who's in public service frankly to be proud. this is government working. >> let me ask you a question about that because -- you know, first of all, i think anything with manchin on it, a lot of people turn their head away, that can't be real. it appears to be real, that manchin is now in favor of this bill that would -- it would tax the super rich, not anyone else, as you said would make a huge investment in climate, in trying to save the planet honestly. how on earth did that deal happen? have you talked to manchin about this? are you sure he's not going to pull the football away?

will sinema pull the football away? >> i have been contrarian. i reached out to senator manchin. i had a relationship. we had done a technology project in beckly, west virginia. i always thought senator manchin would support innovation in clean technology. he didn't like the sticks but he was always for the carrots. this bill, it's not just the billions it's going to invest in tax credits, it's also going to unleash trillions of dollars of private sector investments in silicon valley. now they're going to put the money into clean technology. it can be transformative. and i have always said he was negotiating and i am convinced he's good for his word. now i don't want to jinx anything, i just hope senator sinema votes yes. all of the other ducks are in a row. >> we have to hope she's not going to be the one that ruins the whole day here because that is a pretty important bill. there are other bills that are

now also getting republicans to be against them. there's something called the pac dak that would enable additional health care coverage for more than 3 million veterans who were exposed to agent orange. apparently now republicans are blocking that. they're against it. here's what tim ryan who's running for senate in ohio had to say about that. >> it is time for us to quit the politics, stop trying to score political points, stop putting party over country, lay down our arms. my god, if we can't agree on this, what in the hell are we going to agree on? rebuilding the manufacturing base, good paying jobs, union construction, outcompeting china, national security. come on! let's do this. let's do it together! but we have a small group of people who have hijacked the republican party in the

leadership of this house on the republican side is more concerned with defeating democrats than doing something that's best for the united states of america. >> on the same boat, here's jon stewart. >> america's heroes who fought in our wars, outside sweating their [ bleep ] off with oxygen battling all kinds of ailments while these [ bleep ] sit in the air conditioning walled off from any of it. they don't have to hear it, they don't have to see it, they don't have to understand that these are human beings. do you get it yet? >> susan collins over on the senate side, congressman, has explained that the reason republicans are now apparently against something that is called the respect for marriage act

affirming not only same-sex marriage but also interracial marriage, that it is cool and legal, they're against that because they're mad that manchin has done this deal on climate. they're mad about that so they're like, well -- you know, if we can't have manchin throw under -- throw democrats under the bus on climate, we're going to mess up marriage. how are republicans explaining being against this bill that is to save the lives of veterans who have sacrificed for this country and are now injured from chemicals? >> joy, there's no explanation. can we just say something on the record. senator schumer and senator manchin have run circles around mitch mcconnell. >> true. >> i know we're saying why is our leadership not defeating mcconnell? they have just done that. that's what's upsetting mcconnell. he's lost. he's lost badly. they outmaneuvered him. what they're resorting to now is literally, literally hijacking health care for veterans. in my six years in congress i've

never seen a veterans bill be partisan. the veterans bills even under donald trump passed because we all agreed those who risked their lives in wars should have the support of the american public and here they're taking a veterans bill, veterans who suffered overseas, who had the most atrocious conditions and giving them health care and they're not doing it. it's deeply personal to president biden because of his son. i mean, he lost -- >> yes. >> -- someone in the war so it is atrocious what they're doing. >> i just want to remind our audience, just to summarize, and i have to give schumer credit on this. he has put forward bills, the chips plus bill which is for making america more competitive against china, republicans are agin it. respect for marriage act, you couldn't have a better name. republicans are agin it. and this bill that would give more money, va benefits to veterans who are injured in wars, republicans are agin it.

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to embrace christian nationalism, full stop. this comes from trump himself who said in a recent speech, quote, americans, neil to god and god alone. then you have doug mastriano. he has connections to gab. lauren bobert, the gun fetish shooters lease has recently failed to reup. marjorie taylor greene had this to say last weekend. >> we need to be the party of nationalism. i'm a christian and i say it proudly. we should be christian nationalists. >> this public embrace of religious fervor isn't the greatest look. something my colleague and friend rachel maddox pointed

out. marge wasn't pleased and took to twitter saying rachel was smearing me with lies about my fate and connecting me to something i know nothing about which of course only proves rachel's point. these republicans don't seem to know anything about this historically racist ideology that they're trying to usher into mainstream politics, or then again maybe they do and this is their way to appeal to a racist base. either way, it's bad because let's be clear, by christian nationalism, they mean white christian nationalism, it merges european and christian identities that distorts christian faith and our democratic ideals. christian nationalisms believes it was a white christian nation and any threat must be stamped out, even if that means violence. we saw christian nationalism flourish in the form of the

klan. it played a significant and explicit role in the formation of apartheid. its agenda is boosted by hungarian strong man viktor orbon. it's turning his country into a white christian ethno base. it was arguably one of the most visible movements animating the january 6th mob. look no further than the slogans and messaging that we saw on that terrible day. it's a scene, if in black and white, could be mistaken for a kkk rally from a previous era. that is according to robert jones, an expert on white supremacy in american christianity and he joins me next.

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the trite embrace evangelical christianity is something they would like you to believe goes back to the founding of the country. the rise of evangelical voters didn't even begin with a republican but with democratic president jimmy carter who in his 1976 presidential bid put his faith in the national spotlight when he identified as a born again christian. the courtship only began under ronald regan and continued under george herbert walker bush who

pandered to the group. fast forward to today and you have a republican party so entrenched with the christian far right that the party is now nominating people like pennsylvania gubernatorial doug mastriano. joining me now is michael steele, former chairman of the rnc and host of the michael steele podcast and robert jones, ceo of the public religion institute. author of "white too long." i'm going to read you to you. you wrote this about the curious history of judeo christian can teach us about defeating white christian nationalists today. only 30% of americans agree that god intended america to be a new promise land where european christians could have a society that could be an example to the

rest of the world, that number rises to dangerous levels including majorities of republicans, 53% and 52% white protestants. they are four times as likely to disagree that true americans may have to resort to violence to save the country. how do we get out of it if the republican party is completely overtaken by this? >> well, the first thing i should say, i think it's very important that you've included the words white christian nationalism altogether. the three interlocking pieces is the threat before us. somebody who studied this movement, somebody who grew up myself white and christian in the deep south as part of the evangelical world, i don't think there's a more serious threat to the future of our democracy than what we are seeing right now with the rise of white christian nationalism in the republican party. it's easy to dismiss this with

as fringe when you hear people like marjorie taylor green and others spouting off about it. when you look at those numbers, it's a little more than white evangelicals and a little more than half of the republican party. it is intense fear about demographic and cultural change connected with divine entitlement. these are not the virtues of democracy or of the democratic citizenry. if these aren't held in check, these really do contain the seeds of our potential demise. >> and the reason that i specified, my producers and i when we put this together, white evangelicals. i'm a black christian. i grew up in the methodist church, switched to baptist. you are a black christian and grew up in the catholic faith. our understanding is that the black church encouraged folks to vote and had vans that said

everybody get out and register and vote or the black church was very enmeshed with the civil rights movement and people wanted to fight for the right to vote. there's a strong tradition iiba church being warm towards immigrants. there is another tradition of christianity that involves itself in politics. you as a republican, michael, have to have been alarmed watching this particular strain of white nationalist christianity eat up the republican party that you love. >> well, yeah. not just alarm -- >> yeah, i got that. not just alarmed but like robert, i'm really concerned about it and have expressed as much as often as i can. i mean, you know, i understand the trek. i got the relationship -- the political relationship that ragan embraced in order to get the support of white christian

evangelicals in the south because the party had to win in order to win the presidency, it had to win the south. the democrats basically controlled the south at that time right through much of his first term, so this relationship, you know, the first time the party says, all right, we're going to embrace it and we'll put in our platform a pro life plan. immediately after ro in the '76 cycle, the party didn't embrace that. we've got to put it in our plan. it wasn't until they recognized the political power of the moral majority that ralph freed and so many began to espouse as a political force, not just a biblical one, a political one. you talk about the black church saying, y'all go vote, remember to vote on tuesday, you saw now this movement saying not only do we want you to vote, but we're

going to tell you how to vote. >> yeah. >> and that became a very interesting dynamic which i saw play out in my time, both in local politics and national politics to where we are now in this disturbing space that robert writes about. >> you know, i mean, look, we're to the point now where even in the state of maryland, the mild mannered state of maryland, the guy running for governor, this guy, cox, he is a far right maga -- maryland could go this direction. it's a tossup. if maryland goes to the republicans this time, maryland could be another state that has an election denier in it. can you talk a little bit though, robert, about the internationalization of this? viktor orban who talks about race mixing, to the point where one of his advisers quit, it's international. this movement is not just in the united states, right, robert? >> yeah, that's correct. we're seeing it imported via fox

news. don't forget that just almost a year ago tucker carlson camped out in orban's yard and broadcast nightly from hungary as a way of propping this up and piping this into the american conservative movement. it's a two-way street. trumpism going to europe and hungary coming to the u.s. i think as a way of, you know, bolstering this sense, again, it's an anti-immigrant sentiment. we've talked about this before. it has to do with the sense that white people are being replaced by immigrants. again, that assumes a kind of privileged place in the country and it is this really ugly, you know, thing that i think many of us thought we had turned the page on, particularly in american christianity turned the page on. it's old. it's old and it's in the dna and it's back. >> you should not be surprised then that republicans will not vote for something called the sanctity of marriage act which would not just defend same-sex

marriage. michael steele. christian nationalism says, no, no, no. very generous and controversial gift to the saudis. i am sure they will find a way to pay him off -- i mean pay him back. we'll be right back. and her museum of personal computers. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com >> infamous golf teacher,

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jersey golf courses, where he is hosting a lift for golf tournament funded by saudi arabia. at the same kingdom whose de facto leader murdered jamal khashoggi. during his presidency, trump defended the saudi crown prince saying there was no proof in the death, despite evidence that he ordered. it he bragged about protecting, at which -- the wall street journal said that liv golf has been worth billions of dollars in publicity for saudi arabia. it's worth noting that the trump organization will certainly be profiting from this. which may be why he also dismissed the punishment about khashoggi, saying that he thought that the issue totally died down. and while he's brushed off the concerns of 9/11 victims -- linked to the attacks in which 15 of the 19 hijackers where saudis. here is an excerpt.

>> this is taken place -- it's a slap in the face. we >> are taking money from an evil regime. >> these are 3000 americans that were killed. on american soil. >> how much money will you turn your back on your country? >> 200 million? sure, i will forget about the atrocities. >> never going to get, it never forgive the golfers for taking this blood money. >> when asked about this protest today, trump made this unbelievable claim. >> nobody has gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, they should've. as to the many acts that did that horrible thing to our, city to our country, to the world. so no one's really been. there >> yeah, well the intelligence community once again would probably disagree with that statement. as would a guy named donald trump who in 2016 said, multiple times, that the saudis were behind 9/11 attacks. i'm joined now by peter beinart, professor the city university of new york, and editor at large of jewish parents. of, peter bin laden's father

was a known builder. it would work wonders if he were still around and wanted to do a deal with dame time. he would probably say, sure, i have no problem with. that is pretty remarkable to host a golf tournament with all sort of top golf tournaments, i could put up a list of them. i'm not a golf enthusiast, but apparently these are some big deal golfers. all is forgiven, apparently. saudi arabia can do no wrong. how? >> because ultimately, what we know about donald trump's he thinks, first, second, third, and fourth of donald trump. and although he likes to claim to be this superpatriot, in fact, he is never willing to put the interests of his country ahead of him, if that requires any sacrifices. it means that he does get a few more dollars, or serving in the military. for donald trump, patriotism, only becomes an issue when it is a way to denigrate and exclude others. so if you remember, it was very vocal about opposing a muslim

community center near ground zero a few years ago. because that was a way of showing that he was a real american, unlike those muslims. but when it comes to saudi arabia, which was actually involved in the 9/11 attack, they're gonna write him a bit check, then he is not such a big patriot. >> it's funny, you say, that because i have talked to people who were very much involved with donald trump's campaign was that the reason they got excited about donald trump was because his fervent opposition to that muslim community center near ground zero. powassan, the saudis are his besties because they're gonna show him the money. this is what donald trump said to the wall street journal about the 9/11 families who are still in pain, and this is 50 miles from ground zero where this tournament is taking place, he's, that i don't know much about the 9/11 families. i don't know what is the relationship to this. and they're very strong feelings. and i can't understand their feelings. i can't comment on that because i don't know exactly what they're saying and what they're saying that -- who did what.

that's extraordinary, because donald trump used to lie and claim that he had friends who died on 9/11. he had none. or that he had some special knowledge of the pain -- he did not. what do you make of that statement? i don't know much about these families. >> he also we -- somehow trump is in touch with the pain of real ordinary americans. these are people whose relatives were killed by the very -- by terrorists who had connections to the very -- putting money in his pocket. and if he wants to know more about what that experience was like for them, or why they know saudi arabia was we -- could ask them, he could read the -- he's not willing to take the time because that ultimately that could be less money for donald trump. >> and on the khashoggi issue,

a lot of republicans try to make the whole thing out of biden fist bumping with him, to avoid shaking hands, whatever the optics of that. we but there is an obedience to the saudi leadership, no matter who they are, no matter what they do, invent in the case of khashoggi, who lived in america, he wasn't american resident, there's an obedience by to saudi arabia that goes beyond donald trump. why? the u.s. is the biggest producer of oil in the planet. >> that's the key point. one of the big -- the fact that we were gonna become energy self sufficient with all of this new technology was precisely, we would not have to go on ben did need to these brutal, autocratic states in. mark but we keep on coming up with new justifications. we are not dependent on saudi arabia for energy in the way that we are. now but it comes, that there are dictators, but they have to be our dictators rather than being on china and russia side. which is exactly the logic that

u.s. used throughout the cold war to support one brutal dictatorship after another because the least he needed to be on our side. so we keep coming up with these justifications even when we are not actually dependent on these regimes. >> i know it's all about the benjamins, but would you make of the idea that you have these top golfers who are willing to essentially just rub 9/11 families nose in it for cash and play in this tournament? >> i think it's terrible. t? whenever president of the united states, like on the, trump who is willing to host this golf course, that creates i think a climate for everybody. he's supposed to be the representative of the nation. hard to expect that others are going to be that much better when that's the message that he sends. and, just to one point, there's a serious national security issue because donald trump may be president again. and he will come into the presidency having been pre bribed by the saudis.

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