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cooperate. >> we've had discussions with him about potentially appearing before them, trying to make sure we understand what it is they're asking for. as i always did when i was in service to america, i'm happy to cooperate with things that are fair and transparent and deliver good outcomes to the american people. >> we've learned the committee has already spoken to treasury secretary steve mnuchin. both pompeo and mnuchin discussed using the 25th amendment to remove trump from office. and trump's former chief of staff, mick mulvaney, testified before the committee just yesterday after he offered to come in voluntarily. suffice it to say the list is growing fast. here's how committee member jamie raskin puts it. >> it's like a waterfall of truth at this point. when you have more than 1,000 witnesses coming in and telling you what had happened, it's the tiny handful of people who are either lying or refusing to participate who begin to feel

very nervous about the situation. >> according to the "associated press," lawmakers are also in discussions with former director of national intelligence john ratcliff. they've reached out to former homeland security secretary chad wolfe who resigned days after january 6th. bun chad wolfe is in the news this morning. take a look at this headline from "the washington post." you're not reading that wrong. this isn't talking about missing secret service texts, it's about missing texts from the department of homeland security, specifically texts from acting secretary wolf and the man who was his acting deputy, ken cuccinelli. missing. those texts from the days leading up to january 6th could have been critical to understanding what the dhs knew about the threat to the capitol. but just like in the secret service texts, they were deleted when their phones were updated. once again, the officials involved knew about it for months before telling congress.

this morning both men are tweeting about this story, insisting they followed protocol, and blaming the ds for wiping their phones. nevertheless, as more and hear of this is uncover -- more and more of this is uncovered, the burden on investigators, including those at the justice department, keeps getting heavier. as nbc news has learned, what attorney general merrick garland has called the department's most ranging investigation ever, maybe pushing doj to the breaking point. quote, in conversations with nbc news in recent months, more than a dozen sources familiar with the sprawling january 6th investigation expressed varying degrees of worry about whether the resources the justice department has allocated to the effort are sufficient for such a vast criminal investigation. i want to bring in nbc's ryan riley, he wrote the story on the challenges facing the justice department. ab stoddard, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. ari melber, chief legal correspondent and host of "the beat." ari melber, are we watching a

dam break here? >> that's a great question. we have a very different message you just showed from mulvaney and others. trump cabinet officials, than we heard when this started which was talk about show trials and unfair and process. and now they're saying i want to tell the truth. you showed pompeo saying if it's fair i'm involved. i think it validates what the committee's doing. as for the 25th amendment, email i'm watching to see if they got close to that, which we don't think they did, removing a president has never happened before. the language suggests it's incapacitation, not coups. was it whether they got close to that or that the cabinet was worried that even after the insurrection trump was potentially going to do more and they had to stop him? >> from building a criminal case, building a doj case, which is more important? >> doj looks at crimes committed. even the coup has to go into what was the overt act, right? was it interfering with the actual administration of the

count. that's different than the physical violence they've focused on. one way to think about this is we've seen a lot of charges for people who were at the capitol. we've seen zero charges for anyone who wasn't, but might have been involved in those other efforts to obstruct, sabotage, or delay the certification on the 6th. >> so one after another after another we're seeing people come in we might not have seen previously, thought we would see. i wonder how much of what's at work here is human nature. as congressman raskin said, it's a smaller and smaller pool of people being left out, right? when you have a chance to tell your story as opposed to letting other people tell it, it's got to be a motivator to talk to this committee. >> well, chris, i think there are several motivators. i think what we're seeing is that in this culture of arrogance in trump world where you're -- a group of dishonest people, you're either the complicit ones who violate laws and break the rules, or you're the other people who cover up for them, this group has been

infected by fear for the first time since they took office and had an administration that was largely an autonomous zone. through the muller investigation, obstruction of justice, and on and on. so it is true that they have watched the committee come up with too much to not be afraid that they will be found out. so it's better for them to come in at this point than to find out what some lower level person who could not afford a good lawyer has revealed them. there are other interests like for mike pence who might eventually agree to a subpoena should the committee draw one for him, and mike pompeo who are 2024 wannabes who might want to go and say things like i just want to do my american duty as long as things are fair and transparent, but really inside these -- these depositions, be able to seriously damage trump and talk about what ari mentioned which i agree with,

not that they had to remove him from power because he was truly out of his mind, but because he was likely to do even more to try to stay in power in the days between the 6th and the 21st of january in 2021. so i think that we're going to see more cooperation for different reasons. but fear is a driving motivator now among the top people who served in the trump administration. >> yeah. the question becomes who else is going to be coming in. i want to play part of cassidy hutchinson's testimony from last month where she mentions former secretary pompeo. >> miss hutchinson, you told us that you were hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here's part of what you said -- >> mr. pompeo -- to have the conversation in case he hadn't heard the discussions about the cabinet secretaries. and what i understand it was more of a -- this is what i'm

hearing, i want you to be aware of it. >> so as we said, mnuchin has come in, maybe we'll hear from elaine chow, maybe from betsy devos, some of the names that are out there. to get to where the justice department wants to go. not necessarily the january 6th committee, although they're intertwined. who else is out there? who else might get pushed? >> well, mark meadows is so central to both of these. and in fairness to him, although he's been very controversial in how much he went along with and the texts exposed that, the justice department looked at his level of cooperation or compliance with this committee and decided not to pursue him the way they indicted and now convicted steve bannon. so the way i would put it is on the one hand, mr. meadows is in the clear on any charges about cooperation. is he in the clear, though, about everything else, not the cooperating but does the doj ultimately have enough testimony or evidence against him to say he was the connective tissue? donald trump loves a cutout. everyone makes their "godfather"

and mafia references. he loves to work through his con sig larry. he was using a small band of lawyers, but giuliani said we can't do the military, certain things. meadows became that person. now again, i'm not foreclosing the decision. but he certainly was in the soup, on the call, in the text, constantly telling everyone i'm talking about this, i'm talking about that. and the question then becomes at any point did he cross a criminal line where what he was talking about was how they could steal the whole thing on the 6th in their minds. >> yeah. talking of texts, a.b., we have more missing texts this time as we said from the top officials in the dhs. look, those officials say they're not responsible. they're pointing fingers back at dhs. how do we get to the bottom of this? >> well, i'm not an investigator, but i certainly hope that they do. dhs was not only involved in -- at so many levels, the secret service, the idea that trump is

pressuring ken cuccinelli to seize voting machines, but also the dhs was certifying for the american public the safest -- one of the most safe and secure elections we've had and that biden had indeed won, and there was no massive fraud that would have altered the outcome. so they were in the cross hairs of trump. so this is really -- this is appalling and obviously so suspicious of a piece where we just see, you know, all this critical evidence being lost into the ether because of resets and migration and reboots of phones. and i seriously hope there is a way in 2022 that these deleted things can be -- can resurface, be obtained. it's not clear that they will. we hope they can put this together through other people and other data ultimately. >> so here we are only ten minutes into the show, one day in this long, many months' long

conversation, and look at all the tentacle that's we've talked about -- tentacles that we've talked about, just ten minutes. ryan, the title of your article says the doj you may be reaching a breaking point. what exactly does that mean, and what are they going to do about it? >> yeah. you know, if you just look at the sheer numbers -- this is most he based on the investigation into the individuals who stormed the u.s. capitol, which is removed from the trump investigation which is sort of running on a little bit of a track, although there is a little interaction there, of course. but for the individuals who stormed the capitol, this capitol siege team, it's really an overwhelming amount of cases. right now you have about 850 cases. we saw a lot of cases very early on. they were churning in the beginning of 2021 right after the capitol attack. and it slowed down significantly after that. but then there was a regular pace. now there's a little bit of a lull. and that's mostly because of a variety of factors. one big component of that is that they have to juggle all of these ongoing cases that are on the docket.

a lot of this is about docket management. and once, you know, you're a u.s. attorney, the u.s. attorney gets called into one of these cases, they have to see it all the way through. there's, you know, all the evidentiary issues which are huge. and i can't emphasize how large they are in this investigation just because you have so much video, you have so much body cam footage. you have so much closed circuit television footage from the capitol police. then you have all the evidence generated by the individuals themselves. you have their cell phone data. a lot of the downloads that have been done. an overwhelming amount of digital evidence. it's a lot for them to handle. they're bringing in some new folks, but frankly a lot of the individuals i spoke with said like doj needs to make a pivot here if they have any hope of getting close to getting all the people who went inside the capitol that day, which is very quickly approaching 3,000, the total scope there. so if you just look at that number, we're not a third of the way through this yet with all of these arrests yet to come. and the fbi has hundreds of identities that they're just

waiting on arrests forward in the future, chris. >> so much, and so ari, you're going to put it into a nice, neat little package tonight in one hour, right -- seriously, you've got a special. i think for a lot of folks just trying to keep up and then you take a week's vacation, you come back and people to like you've missed something. tell me what you're going to do tonight. >> this is 6:00 p.m. eastern tonight. it is new, it's original. we're doing this tonight. we've had these incredible hearings with all of this evidence, but each hearing has given us certain pictures and then we kind of move on. it's hard to believe it was only eight days ag ago that they finished what they said was this first run with that primetime and climactic hearing. we're broadening out. a fundamental question as we think about the future of democracy, and it is this -- if you have an attempted coup and it goes unpunished, as the writer doug porter mentioned, then does it become a training exercise? and so january 6th can be looked at as a, quote, riot that got out of control, that's what some have said.

a physical violent event, as you and i were discussing, it is that. tonight we're going to look at the evidence -- no prejudgments -- but the evidence that suggests for some people in the trump administration it was a longer, multimonth tempted conspiracy. it's not how the commission opened. they said january 6th committee. that uses evidence and independent reporting and goes more broadly. if i may because i know you had a big fan of hip-hop -- >> i am, of course. >> that's what we know about you. there's a great line from the roots, people know from the "tonight show" as well as benny the butcher. i didn't come this far to only come this far. and i think for these investigations it would have to be about facts, not whether you like a given politician or not. the question is have we come this far, we've learned more about it, but it only the people who were really the pawns on that chess board, who physically stormed the capitol, if they're the only ones held accountable and no one who sent them there and no one who conspired and no

one who tried to overthrow elections and no one who tried to use elector fraud past december 14th when the electoral college vote was over and people were still doing it -- if none of those political,lease are held accountable -- elites are held accountable and they are charged legally, and you're dealing with pawns, are we courting more disaster in the future of american democracy. that's what we're going to look at. >> wow, that's a lot. first of all, i usually watch you because i love the legal aspect of your show. i love your guests, and i have dinner with you more nights than i should probably say. having said that, pretty much all i know about hip-hop i've learned from your show, as well. >> there we go. >> yes. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> thank you. ryan, a.b., and ari who will be on at 6:00 tonight. catch "the beat: special report inside trump's election plots," again 6:00 p.m. eastern. again, 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. no excuse for not watching. in the middle of the

controversy, an investigation over missing secret service texts, director james murray has decided to delay his planned retirement. murray was supposed to leave the agency at the end of this month but told employees thursday he will stay on for a while as the agency deals with what he calls, quote, a unique and challenging time. murray says he wants to help facilitate a smooth transition to the next director, although that person has not yet been chosen. blindsided veterans now outraged after republican senators struck down a veteran health care bill. why the change of heart in the gop? is it an active political retaliation? and deadly and relentless flooding continues to hammer kentucky. are the consequences of climate change escalating more quickly now, and are we prepared for what's still to come? i'll ask a climate expert ahead. plus, the monkeypox outbreak forcing declarations of a public health emergency on the east and west coasts. how serious is this really? you're watching "chris jansing

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outrage and fury from blind sided veterans and lawmakers after senate republicans tanked a widely supported bipartisan measure that would have expanded medical coverage for millions of veterans exposed to toxic burn pits during their service. veterans' groups say exposure to those open-air pits which were used by the u.s. military in afghanistan and iraq, have been

linked to cancer, respiratory illnesses, and other life-threatening conditions. president biden believes they were linked to his late son beau's brain cancer. the legislation would have added 23 toxic and burn pit exposure conditions to the veteran affairs database and expanded care for post-9/11 combat veterans. it also would have expanded protection to vietnam-era veterans exposed to deadly chemicals called agent orange. the pact act passed both houses earlier this year and was set to all is through a second vote after minor revisions. in a shocking move, 41 senate republicans blocked it including 25 who had supported it just one month ago. the backlash has been fierce. >> if you have the guts to send somebody to war, then you better have the guts to take care of them when they get back home. or don't send them in the first place. >> the american people are sick and tired of the games that go on in this body. >> this is total [ bleep ].

we had a strong bipartisan support for this bill, and at the 11th hour senator toomey decides that he wants to rewrite the bill, change the rules, and tank it. >> this is an embarrassment to the senate, to the country, to the founders, and all that they professed to hold dear. and if this is america first, then america is [ bleep ]. >> joining me jake sherman co-founder of punch bowl news and msnbc political contributor. juanita tolliver is an msnbc political analyst. this vote, jake, was supposed to be procedural, basically it was done. walk us through your reporting on what changed and how. >> well, it's somewhat unclear, chris. let's start from the beginning. the senate passed this bill, sent it back to the house because of a procedural issue. there was a revenue-raising measure in the bill, and it couldn't be cleared by the

senate for that reason. it wasn't even changed substantively. it was changed in a very minor way. but this came after the senate had released a reconciliation package that republicans don't like, and there is an issue about an amendment that pat toomey wants, that chuck schumer said he could have at a 60-vote threshold. so they would need 60 to get that amendment in. chuck schumer's going to bring it up again on monday. many in the capitol here see it as retaliation. and it's sad to say that, although people deny it. there are many people in the capitol who see this as retaliation for democrats doing that reconciliation measure, releasing that reconciliation measure after signaling they would not release it just weeks ago. so it is a sad -- to be honest with you, a sad statement on the state of politics in d.c. >> juanita, senators who voted no who previously voted yes say this isn't payback, it's policy.

what do you think? >> it's petty, chris, is what it is. and just when you think senate republicans can't sink to an all new low they go and outdo themselves again. i couldn't agree more with what jon stewart said about how disgusting this was because veterans are dying. and chris, i'm the daughter, granddaughter, and cousin of plenty of veterans across many branches, and what frustrates me is what senator tester said -- you send individuals to war and then refuse to take care of them when they get back. and so if republicans like thune are saying, okay, this isn't retaliation, it's about that one line, then vote for it on monday when senator schumer is set to bring this back to the floor. vote for it on monday because what i saw with the video of them shaking hands after tanking this bill shows that republicans will reject even things and issues that they believe in, that they wholeheartedly support, all to swipe back at democrats because they got their

feelings hurt. and they're lashing out honestly like a bully. they're lashing out at whomever and whatever -- this week it was veterans in dire need of health care. >> it's hard to see, jake, how strategically it makes sense to vote against veterans who are suffering and dying. is there any indication that this incredible pushback, this understandable, emotional, and frustrated pushback will have any effect on some of these republicans? >> i do think they're going to have to get this across the finish line. it's a completely untenable position, chris. especially after schumer offers that amendment or allows that amendment to be offered. the thing is even if you take the most cynical point of view which is they're trying to retaliate for democrats' releasing this reconciliation package, blocking an unrelated piece of legislation doesn't get democrats to back off the reconciliation, this big budget and climate and tax package that they just released. so there is no real strategic purpose here, doesn't serve any

purpose to anybody. and i don't think the politics for senate republicans are tenable, even if you accept their argument. let's accept the senate republicans' argument that they're in a good political position. pair this position to win back -- they're in this position to win back the majority. it's bizarre. >> there's a question about whether this sets a bad precedents, what we're going to see if i don't like the way something happened as a party, then i'm going to do something else even though before i said i was for it. i'm going to be against it. >> well, it's a tale as old as time on capitol to be honest. there's no ideological consistency or little ideological consistency on capitol hill when it comes to legislation. people vote against things that they had supported a million times, whether it's the debt ceiling or funding bills. it happens all the time. i don't think it sets a precedents. i think -- it's another item in a long list of ideological and consistencies -- inconsistencies that we see time and time again. >> juanita, do you think there's a price to pay for this?

>> i absolutely think there's a price to pay. democrats already know there's a price to pay because they've been running that clip of senate republicans shaking hands after thanking this bill nonstop. you've seen veteran groups speak out. i think it's something that democrats absolutely should continue to bring to the forefront for what voters and veterans should expect if republicans were to take back the congress in the midterms. this type of vindictive behavior is harmful, and i think it's something voters need to hear. >> juanita, jake, thank you both. a single senator could stand in the way of an historic climate bill in congress as deadly floods and extreme heat continue to batter the u.s. does the bill go far enough in protecting the u.s. against climate change? i'll ask an expert after this. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. thout a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes.

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higher, and hundreds of kentucky families are going to lose everything. this is sheriff joe engle in hard-hit perry county. >> the damage is just -- unlike anything i've ever seen. i think it's unlike anything that any of us has ever seen. these communities are nearly -- some of them's impossible to get to. the entire road system has been just washed away. the total infrastructure's been annihilated. i mean, we've lost electric. we've lost water. >> for more we're joined by michael mann the distinguished professor of atmospheric science at penn state university and author of "the new climate war." we were supposed to have someone on the ground reporting actually on this, and we're not able to get them out of there. look, michael, a week doesn't go by now when there isn't a devastating example of the deadly power of a changing climate. it goes beyond just in the last 24 hours, what we've seen in kentucky last night, the famed las vegas strip. it looked like a river.

there was a rare thunderstorm that triggered flash flooding. is the impact of climate change escalating really quickly now, or does it just feel that way? >> yeah, i'd like to say it's good to be with you, but frankly we almost never have good news to talk about. and here we're given yet another reminder that the climate crisis is deadly. we're seeing the loss of human lives as a result of the amplification of these devastating extreme weather events, the heat waves, we've been dealing with this summer in the midsection of this country, on the east coast of the country, while we get more historic wildfires out west and then these deadly floods. it's a reminder that climate change isn't a far-off threat. it's impacting us now. as you allude to, there are some consequences, some impacts of climate change that are actually playing out faster and with greater magnitude than we predicted, say, just a decade ago.

and so the critics love to point to scientific uncertainty as if it's a reason for inaction. when it comes to these extreme weather events, these deadly weather extremes that we're seeing play out in real time, what we're seeing actually exceeds what we predicted. and so uncertainty isn't our friend here. this is yet another reminder. >> i want to bring in -- we have him now, re-established the signal, jesse kirsch, in jackson, kentucky. how are things looking there, jesse? >> reporter: chris, this is a neighborhood, and i can talk about this endlessly, but i think the image speaks for itself. this is a home right here that is about halfway submerged, and the man who lived here -- i say that in the past tense because i can't imagine he can live there again -- says this home is normally 20 feet up on an embankment. looking at 20 feet of water that's risen. this is supposed to be the street and the neighborhood. there's a baseball diamond back

there. i took a look from overhead. under water. i'm going to bring you here real quick, we'll have jason, our photographer, pan over. you can see this. 50-plus yards of water over here. there is a current, and again, this is not a river. the river is supposed to be along that tree line according to the gentleman we spoke with. this is supposed to be street. again, we're talking about upwards of 20 feet of water in some areas here. looks like the water is starting to recede slightly. as you alluded to, we're having all kinds of communication issues out here, as well. people are potentially not able to get access by phone to help. so we've seen helicopters going through the area. i've seen at least two people in this neighborhood who are still there. they weren't shouting out for help or anything. one person who lives here we're told was just staying in the home to be with her pets. and up the road we met a couple that's living on the second floor of -- the first floor had waist-deep water, but they're staying there. they've had the power the whole time. so the two of them and their dog are staying in the home.

that's the situation here. this is just one town, of course, that is part of this entirely devastated area in the eastern part of kentucky. here in jackson, officials are also keeping an eye on a dam about a quarter mile from where i am right now that had some activity around it. and so they were keeping a close eye on that and evacuated the flood plain. that's dozens of homes as well as a church, school, and businesses. they're trying to make sure they can get people out of harm's way. the last point to hammer home, you look at everything we're seeing, according to people we're talked to in the area, the worst of the flooding here in jackson occurred yesterday evening. and the reason that's significant is because we were talking about the overnight flooding wednesday into yesterday morning. yesterday morning. the governor was talking about midday the potential for severe deaths here in kentucky, expecting double-digit deaths, before things got worse in this part of the state. this appears to have been a domino effect that went on hours beyond that initial flash flooding. >> thank you so much for your

reporting. you and your crew stay safe. michael, as you look at that, this new bill, the climate bill that's in the hands of congress, $369 billion for climate issues, how much would it help? >> yeah, so we're experiencing some whiplash here because what we've just seen, the scenes that we just watched, you know, indicate the devastating consequences that climate change is having. a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture, so you get larger amounts of rainfall. as the segment there alluded to, these weather systems tend to be persistent. they stick around longer than they used to. and we think that relates to the way climate change is changing the behavior of the jet stream. and so you get the compound effect of days upon days of rainfall. and these unprecedented flooding events we're seeing. that's the bad news. the negative consequences, the dangerous and deadly consequences are playing out in real time, but we just that pose that with what has happened over the past few days where we've gotten some good news. it looks like we are on the

verge -- it hasn't happened yet -- but we're on the verge of passing historic climate legislation. it won't solve the problem. it won't get us quite to where we need to be, but the proposed legislation will probably reduce carbon emissions by just under 40% by 2030. that comes very close to meeting our obligations of a 50% reduction. and if we can meet those obligations, as the world's largest historical polluter, then that brings china and india and other countries to the table. that's where we start to see the global policy advance that we need here. >> maybe some of the countries who signed on to the paris peace accords might ante up and get to where they said they would be. michael mann, thank you so much. i'm sure we'll see you again soon. protesters at a new jersey golf club owned by president trump, 9/11 families, upset first because it's a saudi-backed event, and now also because of what trump said in his own defense that simply

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outrage this morning from families of 9/11 victims. they went to new jersey to protest at former president donald trump's golf club which is hosting a controversial tournament this weekend less than 50 miles from ground zero. their anger only multiplied when trump tried to defend himself. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: outrage boiling over around the liv golf tournament. backed and funded by saudi arabia and teeing off today at former president trump's new jersey club. 9/11 families slamming the government and the tournament. trump now defending it. >> nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, and they should have. >> reporter: 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were saudi nationals, and in a 2016 fox news interview, trump blamed the

attacks on saudi arabia. terry strata lost her husband on 9/11. he was on the 104th floor of the north tower. she's now furious at the former president's comments. when you heard that, what went through your head? >> well, he sounds like a fool. >> reporter: the former president playing in yesterday's pro am with his son eric and seen next to golf legend and liv ceo greg norman as well as a top backer, the saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman. u.s. intelligence said it was the prince who ordered the torture and killing of jamal khashoggi. they've denied being involved in 9/11 or khashoggi's murder despite the u.s. intelligence report on bin salman and khashoggi and u.s. government documents showing links between the 9/11 hijackers and saudi associates. earlier this month, president biden drew international criticism by traveling to saudi arabia and fist bumping the

crown prince. attracted by much bigger cash purses, a growing list of some of golf's biggest names have chosen to play in the liv series instead of the pga tour. >> this is an opportunity that gives me a chance to have the most balance in my life going forward. >> reporter: liv golf tells nbc news that 9/11 families may not agree. we believe golf is a force for good around the world. >> the kingdom is throwing billions of dollars into a pr stunt. >> thank you, gabe, for that. new york and san francisco declare public health emergencies as monkeypox cases spike. how much worse could this outbreak get? and are we ignoring the lessons of past health crises? i'll talk to an expert dealing with this virus firsthand. ill d. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash.

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topped 4,900 nationwide. still, headlines all across the country show how concerns are escalating along with the number of cases and vaccine shortages. the gay and trans community have seen a majority of confirmed cases in the u.s. so far, and a the "new york times" reportss are, lingering confusion of how it spreads brings back memories of the aids epidemic. joining me from ucla fielding school of mental health, and also eric botcher. doctor, this has gone from a few cases to consideration of a national health emergency and the u.s. case count is among the highest in the world. where are we on this? >> chris, we are certainly at the beginning of understanding where we are with this virus.

what we have is very poor situational awareness. even with what he do know, we're seeing very, very high case rates starting to climb. with limited testing, we're already at the top of the list of cases globally. i think it's really important to assume there are many more cases that are out there, that testing is just not widely enough available to have a good situational awareness. >> to the point the biden administration estimated it will need another $7 billion to combat monkeypox and nothing has been proposed in congress. i have friends who said they were trying to line up to get the shots. are you concerned where we are in the response? >> i'm definitely concerned where we are with the response right now. we need to be moving quickly. if we have learned anything with viruses, it's much easier to stay out of trouble than it is to get out of trouble. and in order to do so, we need to have funding, we need to have

logistics, we need to have public health have the ability to move quickly. that means not only having vaccines but getting them in arms, having the testing available widespread. right now we only have testing available in limited terms for people who really meet these high-risk categories. we don't have enough testing that's widely available to understand how widespread this virus really is. >> councilman, you were telling me you're on vacation, your phone is blowing up and you were quoted in that the "new york times" piece as talking about hard-hit neighborhoods like the ones you represent, chelsea and hell's kitchen. you said they're being forced to fight for their own health care. what do you think is going on? >> that's right, chris. i represent the west side of manhattan. we're the epicenter of the outbreak in new york city, which is the epicenter of the outbreak in the country and there is unbelievable fear, frustration and anger in our community. and we found out earlier this

week that the united states government intentionally left 300,000 doses of vaccine in a plant in denmark all through may, through most of june. why? because the government -- our united states government didn't think that we were going to use them all. they were afraid that if they shipped them, we wouldn't use them and they would expire. that was a huge, huge public health blunder because we may have missed our opportunity to bring in outbreak under control. >> so what are you hearing from your community? there's been a lot of criticism from the lgbtq community that if it wasn't the lgbtq community this wouldn't be happening. do you believe that? >> we still bear the scars and the trauma from the aides epidemic. we had seeming indifference, outward indifference by our government towards our community to a disease that was being

primarily spread within our community and people are seeing echos of that now and there's tremendous, tremendous anger. that's why we're demanding action now. we're demanding vaccines now because we have thousands and thousands of people in new york city who are in the high-risk group who need vaccines. there are no vaccines today. so we want vaccines, we demand vaccines, not next week, not this weekend, today, tonight. >> can we get them, doctor? have we not learn lessons from the aids crisis and from the covid crisis? >> well, i think that it's very important to remember we only have the vaccine doses that are out there, but all of them should be released immediately and given to the populations that are greatest risk right now, which is this community. now, in addition to this, we have to be working on multiple front. we need to have as much vaccine

readily available and pushed out with plans to push it out. so we have to be working on multiple front at the same time. also, i do want to remind everybody, as somebody who has been working in the democratic republic of congo for two decades studying monkeypox virus, we cannot forget that we must start to think about how we're going to control spread in places where it is already endemic. and that is something that keeps getting left off the table here in our discussions. i've said this over and over again on this program, elsewhere, an infection anywhere is potentially an infection everywhere. this is a virus that is going to continue to spread, so we must be pro active and learn from the mistakes of covid-19 and get moving now. >> thanks to both of you. much appreciated. >> on a better, happier note, somebody could win a life-changing amount of money

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