vice chair of the democratic governors association. he is the man with a plan for democrats running for governor in this year's midterm elections. don't forget they have me up on social media. you can find highlights, news and exciting things in the works for the show on instagram, twitter and the take and talk. right now, it is time for ayman, high ayman. >> hey symone, it's good to see you. i did not see you in person by want to congratulate you on your wedding. so congratulations to you, my friend. >> thank you very much, it was a good time. >> it look like a great time. >> it was very fabulous. we are going on a honeymoon and december. i will have to hit you a penalty some places to go. >> you've got it, my friend, good to see you and thank you. good evening and welcome to ayman. coming up, inside the new justice department imposed developments, as it investigates trump's efforts to overturn the election. plus, house democrats just

passed an historic bill to ban assault weapons. we will get reaction from oversight committee chairman carolyn maloney. and then the end of roe v. wade can overwhelm those struggling foster care system in america. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. >> the january six committee might be on a hearing hiatus, but the justice department investigation into the attack on the capital appears to be finally kicking into overdrive. this week, reporting from the washington post later confirmed by nbc news, signaled a new focus in the department of justice criminal probe. donald trump, himself. prosecutors have asked hours of detailed questions about meetings that trump held in the run up to january six. in recent days, two former top aides to mike pence, his chief of staff mark short and lawyer greg jacob, have been called before a federal grand jury.

witnesses have reportedly been asked about conversations with trump, his lawyers and other members of his inner circle. they post also reports that back in april, the justice department got their hands on phone records from key officials and aides in the trump administration, including former chief of staff, mark meadows. as the saying goes, when it rains, it pours, because the new york times is reporting that federal prosecutors have also directly asked witnesses about trump's involvements in the efforts to reverse the election results. the justice department has remained tightlipped when it comes to trump, but that changed this week, when attorney general merrick garland said this to my colleague, nbc's lester holt. >> donald trump to become a candidate for president again, that would not change or schedule or how you move forward or don't move forward? >> we will say again that we will hold accountable anyone who was criminally responsible for attempting to interfere

with the transfer, legitimate lawful transfer power of the administration's. >> following that interview, nbc news learned that was merrick garland called the departments, quote, most wide ranging investigation in its history, but also be pushing the agency to its breaking point, because more than a dozen sources familiar with the investigation say that they are concerned that the justice department does not have the resources for such a vast, criminal investigation. one of which will put it bluntly, quote, we don't have the manpower. for months, the question for everyone, including myself, on this program, seems to be asking, will the justice department hold donald trump accountable for his role in the insurrection? but now, we did question what we should be asking is, can they? let's discuss this with cynthia -- and glenn kirschner, both prosecutors and msnbc analysts. they are to people that we have relied on since the beginning

of the public hearings on the general six. thank you both so much for joining us. cynthia, i want to start with you, it is about the department of justice. it is reportedly investigating the former presidents actions as part of its criminal probe, but that does not mean that they have opened up a specific investigation into trump himself. that was something that the doj made clear through various reporting. what should we make of this development, and, more importantly, this distinction? >> for now, i would not make much of it, because the truth of the matter is that to collect the evidence and get people on the record and get them on the grand jury, that is what we need to have happen, and how it's labeled right now is not important. what's important is that they're moving forward aggressively. that is what matters. on that point, if the doj can handle this, of course, they can. this is the largest law firm in the world. they had to shoot -- one of the things we would have is taking 80 lawyers into law

forms that needed trial experience, they would come in and try the easier cases, and more experienced lawyers would free up more experienced lawyers. there are lots of ways that the justice department can move things around and, yes, they have the resources, and it looks like they are using them. thank you. >> speaking of the largest law firm in the world, glenn, the doj investigation is set to have two tracks. one that we have known from day one, that is the violence, the investigation into the violence at the capitol. the other looking at the false electors scheme that seemed to has gained more traction in recent months with some of the revelations that we have been learning about. explain why it is important that we separate the two, and what it could mean for someone like donald trump. because for the last year, and correct me if i am wrong, the investigations that we have seen publicly, the hearings and trials, they have focused on the violence around and entered the six, not the plot to overturn the election and these fake electors?

>> based on what we know, they focus on the violence overtly, publicly. what have they've been doing behind the scenes, i am betting they have been doing a whole lot that we don't know about. there is proof of that in recent washington post reporting, carol -- and her team have been doing remarkable work. we learned for the first time recently that back in april, they subpoenaed and obtained mark meadows cell phone records. ayman, we knew nothing about that. i think one of the things that proves that if the department of justice has been doing things in ways and at times that we know nothing about. i would argue that it is a false distinction to say, the people who attacked the capitol, that is one track, and the hierarchy of the insurrection and the fake electors and the other schemes to try to overturn the election results, is a separate track.

they are all basically one big investigation. it was all designed to do one thing, and that was unlawfully get donald trump into power. i don't think the prosecutors, and there are probably hundreds and hundreds of prosecutors working on these cases, see it as separate compartmentalize cases. i think they are keeping their eye on the overarching law, which is a conspiracy to defraud or commit offenses against united states. >> let me ask you, glenn, really quickly if i can -- you heard moments ago that the attorney general telling lester holt that he will pursue accountability, regardless of trump status, as both a former president and potential presidential candidate, but a story here -- let's be clear about it, in the history of the u.s., not a single former president has ever been indicted for criminal conduct. could this be the case that

breaks the 200 plus year president, and is this administration, this department of justice, prepared for that precedent breaking trajectory that we are currently on? >> it will be the case. it is time for the department of justice, it is time for our federal government writ large, to take the maiden legal voyage and hold a criminal former president for his crimes accountable. because if we don't, ayman, let's assume that the doj gives donald trump a pass from everything from obstructing official proceedings, up to and potentially including treason. that sends the unmistakable signal to all future presidential candidates, or president seeking to retain power after they lost the election, that they have doj's permission to do everything donald trump did to either acquire power or retain power. i don't think our nation can

survive another go around that. >> cynthia, let's shift gears here. in recent weeks, we have learned about a slew of so-called missing orderly detects from senior trump officials in the lead up for general six. but now the washington post has learned that the department of homeland security watchdog scrapped its own investigative team's efforts to collect agency phones to try to recover deleted secret service texts this year. i don't want to start screaming cover up here. but what is your reaction here? these are way too many missing text messages from senior officials at the department of homeland security as well as the secret service, in my opinion as a journalist, to say that this is coincidental? >> right, first of all, we all agree in this panel that we don't believe in coincidences. number one, and number two, it is not only coincidences of

everything that is missing. remember, it is not just a tax, it is also the phone log, it is also the visitor records -- there are a host of things missing, number one. number two, the story keeps changing. originally -- they excellent about it in may of 2021. the interesting thing that came out this today from carole -- you almost at the check your phone every hour as she has a new scoop. the interesting thing that came out yesterday from carole lining is that the korean people in the inspector generals office were trying to get the phones, so that they can use all the fancy stuff they have in the secret service to figure out where the missing texts were. and the ig, the guy in charge of finding the information said, no, don't collect the phone. not only is that offensive, but it also tells us that there is a battle going on in the ig office. that is something that prosecutors can take advantage of and get those clear people

in the country. i have to say, i feel sorry for the attorney general, because this is another investigation that needs to happen, that is also part of the greater hole. it is not only generous six, it is not only the fake electors, it is not only the attempt to take over the department of justice and cut it off and get it to discerning's. but now, it is the cover-up of the attacks of the people involved in the case? that is all part of the greater hold that needs to happen. probably, this inspector general needs to be fired, which is a difficult thing to do, politically for the biden administration. it is just one more thing on their plate. >> i am just going to say, too many missing texts, too many unanswered questions about -- for me it is simple. it is either incompetence, or something nefarious. because you cannot tell me that the senior agency that has so much responsibility for

homeland security is just in the middle of everything that happened on january 6th, decided to migrate data on their phones and not back it up. it is just way too bizarre. it is conspiratorial. cynthia, glenn kirschner, greatly appreciated. sorry cynthia, last word. >> it is not just the secret service text, but it is the other leaders's texts. they knew january six was an important event, and they chose to migrate. i think it is very suspicious. i think if you had to pick the continuum from incompetence to felony, we are sort of leaning felony. >> yeah. it is great to have both of you with us, thank you for starting us off. glenn, cynthia, greatly appreciate your insights as always. still ahead, holding a gun manufacturers to account. i'm going to speak with the house oversight chairwoman about her grilling of gun company ceos next. company ceos next. fishing helps ease my mind. kinda like having liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. woah! look out! [sfx: submarine rising out of water ]

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major piece of legislation on friday banning assault weapons for the first time in almost 20 years. now let's be clear about this, this ban is not likely to become law, and you can thank the republicans and the senate for that. but my next guest, the house oversight committee chairwoman, carolyn maloney, is still applauding this moment saying the house democrats have quote, taken the common sense step to take these dangerous weapons, weapons of war, out of our community. earlier this, week the oversight committee actually grill the ceos of some of the leading assault weapons manufacturers and the u.s., watch. >> will you accept personal

responsibility for your company's role in this tragedy, and apologized to the families of uvalde? >> these acts are committed by murderers. the murderers are responsible. >> [inaudible]. >> also this, week the committee released the findings of an investigation that found a gun manufacturers made more than a billion dollars from selling assault style weapons just in the past decade. joining me now is congresswoman carolyn maloney, the chair of the house oversight committee. chairwoman, it is great to see you again, thank you so much for joining us. let's start with the house passing that bill banning assault style weapons. how do you message on a bill like this, given senate republicans are going to block it? >> well, you have to start someplace, and at least we have a record of how they voted. and i hope they put them on

record in the senate. because we are going into the midterm elections, and the voters should hold people responsible. because of the terrible amount -- we stand alone. other countries do not have this problem of mass shootings. because of them, we had over 45,000 people shot in america in 2020. no other country has that. and no other country has -- most countries acted, passed a number of bills to make their country safer, but this country needs to act, and i think we should hold everybody accountable. 70% of americans want the assault weapon ban to pass. we need to do more. >> as we played in that clip, you held a hearing this week with gun manufacturers, their ceos, the leaders of that industry. what did you learn from them? what was the big takeaway? what is it that the american public should know about this hearing that you held this week? >> well, i think the american

people should know that a record number of americans are dying from gun violence while these gun manufacturers reap record profits, and are not taking any responsibility. [inaudible] that had lost loved ones, they all asked the same question, are you going to track wet your deadly weapons are doing? and they all said no, it is not a responsibility, so i believe that congress has to press for reforms to hold them accountable. >> during your committee's hearing you said that you intended to issue a document subpoenaed to smith and weston after the company ceo refused to testify about the company's sales and marketing of assault weapons. has that been issued? and why do you want to subpoena them? >> because we requested documents that he failed to give us. we need the documents. he also said that he would testify, and every time we change the date for him to testify, he said he wasn't going to testify.

so we want to hear his explanations also. we also revealed from the hearing that these gun manufacturers have business practices that are dangerous, exploited, and reckless. they particularly, aggressively market tactics to appeal to young people, two extremists, and they also finance them completely for them with no money down. so there are marketing practices that they push the military uses for assault, and they target young men's and securities. these marketing practices are bad, as well. mainly, we want them to start tracking the results of where their guns are used, the number of people that are killed, and what steps they can take to make life better. the automobile industry attracts every single accident, and then comes forward with

ideas to make a car safer. we should do the same thing with guns. >> where does the effort for gun control, or gun reform go from here given the fact that it is not going to pass on the senate? do you plan to hold more hearings on gun violence? >> yes. absolutely. we need people like you to keep a focus on it. we finally got the assault weapons ban passed because of the outrage across this country after uvalde, and buffalo, that killed so many innocent people. we know, unlike many issues, we do not know the answer to, we know the answer to this. all of us have many sensible gun safety bills that we could pass to make our country safer. and we need to do that. and we need to stay on the case. >> allow me to switch gears for a moment if i can, congresswoman. you and congressman benny thompson sent a letter to the dhs inspector general calling for a new inspector general to lead the investigation into the

deleted secret service text messages around january the 6th. walk me through how you came to that decision, and to make that call. >> we have called for him to stand down, we have lost confidence in him. it is, by law, he is required to report to congress and to agencies if he sees anything that is a problem. and i would say that it is a great problem when the secret service are raised the texts from january 6th. then we have found out that many people were initiating an investigation of why this happened. he halted the investigation. why? this is not the first time that we had questioned his leadership, and his honesty, and his ability to get the job done. and now we are hearing from other whistleblowers, more information which i cannot discuss right now. it is very damaging. >> congresswoman carolyn maloney, greatly appreciate

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people. senator manchin and senator chuck schumer surprised everyone this week when they announced a deal on a reconciliation bill that included tax, climate and energy provisions. the package is expected to raise an estimated 730 billion dollars, which includes corporate minimum tax provisions, prescription drug price reforms, which would allow medicare to negotiate drug prices, and a 369 billion dollar investment to fight climate change. let's bring in stephanie -- she is the author of the best selling book, the death of -- and the birth of the peoples economy. it is great to have you with us. i appreciate your time, stephanie. what is your take on the recession talk. what do you take in consideration when you are deciding where we are as a country, economically, at this moment? >> personally, as an economist, i look at lots of things,

including many of the things that you ticked off. how is consumer spending holding up, what is happening in terms of job creation? is the unemployment rate holding steady? are we continuing to see firms invest in capital expenditure. are they building out capacity? did they seem optimistic to consumers? do consumers too optimistic? you look at a lot of things when it comes to recession. i don't get to make that call. it is a committee at the national bureau of economic research that gets to decide, in a sense, whether we are in an official recession or not. unless until -- as you rightly point out, there are signs of strain throughout the economy that make it a mixed picture, and it helps to explain why it is difficult to make the call in realtime. we typically don't find out we are in a recession until some period of time after we have actually been in one. >> we can put aside the

terminology recession in a moment, but why is the gdp going down two quarters in a row a big deal? >> it's a big deal, as he said, politically, no president wants to preside over a recession, and the reality is that so far this year, we have two quarters of declining real gdp growth. you don't want to see that. that is something that is often consistent with the economy moving into a recession. but as we set, this is a mixed bag. this is an economy that is unlike economies that have gone into recession, let's say the last eight or ten times that we have had a recession. this is an economy -- this is a coming out of a pandemic economy, where companies and employers are trying to get a handle on where workers and consumers are going to be. whether they want to spend money on goods for services, how much they want to work from

home, illiberal market -- there are all these different things happening now. it makes it very difficult in a lot of ways. >> let me, if i can, pivot to the other big news this week. senator joe manchin and chuck schumer calling the reconciliation bill the inflation reduction act of 2022. give us a fact check on that. how accurate do think that name will be? >> you have to hand it to them, it is pretty brilliant as a marketing strategy. look, different economists will look at this and come down on different sides. i think the most sensible way i think to think about this is it is modestly inflation damping. in other words, on balance, will it bring down inflationary pressures? i think most economists right now agreed that it does do that. i think, if we are fact-checking, i think it holds

up reasonably well. >> this reconciliation package includes measures to allow medicare to negotiate drug prices and cap out of pocket costs to $2,000. what would that mean? what could that mean, long term for americans? >> it makes a huge difference. we are talking about doing a lot of things, including preventing premiums from spiking in the very near term. millions of people who would otherwise see their out of pocket health care expenses go way up, now potentially are going to see that. that, of course, is one factor that goes into calculating broader inflationary pressures. keeping health care costs contained, negotiating prescription drug costs, keeping those premiums down, all of that helps to contain inflationary pressures. and then, of course, there is all the investment and buildup, manufacturing capacity, clean energy and alike.

longer term, medium term, there are a lot of good things in this bill that would help to bring in inflationary pressures down. and then there are some things that will help in the short term, as well. >> would you say, stephanie, -- or what do you think is the most under reported aspect of the reconciliation bill, that is worth highlighting, that perhaps is not good enough to attention at this moment? >> i think maybe it might be the green bank and the climate accelerators. a lot of the headline numbers that we are talking about are these sort of direct investment, the rebate tax incentives and the like. but there is also something in the legislation that would allow, potentially, close to 300 billion additional dollars to be a lock for climate related investment. i think that one is really interesting. you coupled out with 370 billion or so that is in that headline number, and then all of a sudden, the number is

potentially closer to six or 700 billion. >> a lot of numbers, a lot of speculation, we will see what impact it has on the american people. stephanie kelton, always a pleasure, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> still ahead, pennsylvania senate candidate john fetterman has relentlessly been mocking doctor oz on the campaign trail. should more democrats follow suit in the races? it in the races? new astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. as long as i have been alive, i

have known three certainties in life, death, taxes and democrats terrible at messaging. i don't see much changing about the first to, but pennsylvania panic governor john fetterman is trying to change the last one with a new approach to the state senate race. it is playful, it is snarky, and it honestly seems to be working. fetterman campaign has joined his opponent, tv personality emmett oz, with a storm of twitter memes mocking as for the most of his life across the river and new jersey. check out this latest ad featuring former soprano star and east rische banned qataris, steve -- >> you, doctor oz, stevie v here. what are you doing in pennsylvania? everybody knows you live in new jersey, and are using your and

lost chance for over there. we don't want to mess around with jon fetterman, just me, he's out of your lead. nobody wants to see you get embarrassed. so come on back to jersey where you belong, and we'll have some fun. we'll go to the beach. we'll go surfing. you know, come on. >> fetterman is not alone in his quest to change the democrats messaging around the midterms and these races. california governor gavin newsom has been running full page ads in texas newspapers targeting republican governor greg abbott strict abortion policies. earlier this month he mocked florida governor ron desantis in tv commercials, urging floridians to move to california. joining me now is anat shenker-osorio, hosted the words to win by podcast and founder of a soe medications. it is good to have you with us, anat. what is it with the messaging strategies of john fetterman and gavin newsom that is resonating and making them go

viral so to speak? >> they are basically hitting all of the hallmarks of really effective persuasion, which we know from political messaging, experiments of years and years of studies of what is persuasive. namely, say what you are four and a draw a contrast. i often tell people if you want people to come to your cause, be attractive. you can think about a theory of persuasion as magnetism. like a magnet, you need to drop people towards you, but that also includes having a polarity, which means that you are repelling certain people. that is a hallmark of both what fetterman and newsom are doing. they are standing for something, and they are drawing an incredibly clear and potent contrast against their opposition and spelling out everything that they represent and the dangers that they represent to the american people, or to the people of the

respective states. >> let me play for you and our viewers another viral ad from the fetterman campaign, watch. >> hey, minute, this is nicole snookie. i am from jersey sure. i don't know if you have seen it before, but i'm a hot mess on around the show, basically. and i enjoy life. but i heard that you moved from new jersey to pennsylvania to look for a new job, and personally, i don't know why anyone would want to leave jersey, because it's like the best place ever, and we're all hot misses. but i want to say best of luck to you. i know you are away from home, and you're in a new place, but jersey will not forget you. i just want to let you know. >> the genius of this at is, it's funny, you are using celebrity them, if you will, they resonate to young people who are familiar with who's nikki's and the jersey shore. what is the underlying message here that is making it work for

the fetterman campaign to basically say, mehmet oz is an outsider? he is not one of us, he does not represent the interest of pennsylvania. >> the deep irony of this, right, is that fetterman, of course, is a classic -- in the photo you showed of him, he's the cargo shorts, the sweatshirt, it is not look like a politician that you are accustomed to. but he is a big, white dude. what he is proving ironically is that all politics is identity politics. what he is doing is creating a state level patriotism. he is, in essence, saying that there is a pennsylvanian this, a standing with and for pennsylvanians. that is me, that is who i am, that's where i come from. this person here, who is running, he is an outsider. he is an outsider, most explicitly and most funnily in these viral ads that is shown, because he is from across state

lines. to underline, where i think he's pointing to, is that he is rich, right? he is out of touch. he does not understand you. he does not understand where you are from. he does not understand what you want, and he does not know why it is that this state pennsylvania requires. it's really a class argument, right? he is drawing a class contrast, and he is creating a form of identity, a big collective we among pennsylvanians and saying, if you are going to governor in our name, you need to be one of us. >> as i mentioned, a lot of person getting attention and buzz, gavin newsom, the governor of california, targeting floridians. watch this. >> it's independence day, so let's talk about what is going on in america. freedom is under attack in your state. your republican leaders are banning books, making it harder

to vote, restricting speech in classrooms and even criminalizing women and doctors. >> your thoughts on this message that he is trying to send. it is quite remarkable that the governor of california is taking the fight to florida and going after republicans top dog. ron desantis is a person who is on the shortlist, if not the list for a possible gop nomination in 2024. gavin newsom not holding back. >> yeah, so there are two things to say about it. the first is what you highlighted, which is the trolling, the going after desantis, putting this at up and out in florida intentionally. when we think about the viral moments, the moments that people have really clot on to, where democrats have gone and consider the moment of attention, he lifted a couple. i would add to that list, for example, mallory mick lowe, the state senator from michigan, and the speech he made. at times, charles booker, when

he announced his tent pole ad for his running kentucky. the moment the people gravitate to, a rock beto and texas, who gave a fiery speech that was shared around. but people are desperately craving and hungry for's leadership. if you want to say to people, hey, i got you, i got this, i can take us from this incredible awful place that we are to the place that we need to be, you need to demonstrate that you are actually in the wing in this fight. that is one thing. the other thing is freedom. and the potency and power of a freedom message. we need to remember that freedom is the value that americans across demographics, and this is held true overtime, most closely associate with this country. and we need to remember that freedom is the narrative anchor for some of the most important progressive victories of our history. obviously, the new deal before

freedoms, freedom summer, the freedom rice, integral to the civil rights movement, the pivot away from the right to marry to the freedom to marry, that was integral, along with many other things, of course, to the marriage equality movement. for too long, democrats and the left had left the right claim freedom, when they stand for nothing more than being authoritarian and taking away our freedoms. what a freedom message does is it allows us both to clearly articulate exactly with the other side is doing, activate loss aversion, which is incredibly potent form of political persuasion and say what we are for. you can do all of that with a single frame, which you can repeat over and over and over again. that repetition is really key, because once a message is more familiar to listeners, absent

the content, regardless of the content, it is more popular and more persuasive, just from being familiar. >> i was going to say i could not agree with you more on democrats acquiescing freedom there to republicans and we have seen in the last six years the anti-freedom party, if you ask me. they are anti-democratic and authoritarian. so it is good to see that democrats, and some of these instances, taking the fight to the republicans on their home turf. thank you so much, we really appreciate your insights this evening. >> thanks so much for having me. >> coming up, what's the end of roe v. wade will mean for the already overwhelmed foster care system in this country. n this country ...thousands of life's doors will suddenly swing wide open. 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. (laughing) 143 people... yes! ...will get their dream job offer. nine retirees will decide to move closer to the grandkids. 52 people will go... yes! ...all in. this family will become... ...a dog family. and this family will get two bathrooms.

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these republican run states have some of the harshest abortion restrictions, and the least amount of support for children after they are born. joining me now is the executive director of the national for youth institute, rebecca. thank you so much rebecca for joining us. the average placement of children in state care is longer than a year and a half. 5% of children in foster care are there for five or more years. this is according to data from the department of health and human services. how do you anticipate, or how concerned are you that the end of roe will lead to longer stays in the system? >> yeah, thank you for having me. i am very concerned. we know that the majority of foster children are placed in foster care as a direct result of poverty, and neglect. neglect due to poverty. and we also know that many women seek out abortion services because they are unable to afford to care for their children. so we are really concerned that

this legal decision is going to overwhelm a system that is already inundated, and unable to really care for the children that are currently in it. >> how could the end of roe impact kids already in the foster system, not just those that you anticipate to go and, it but those that are already part of the process? >> yeah. current and foster youth themselves, they are concerned that they will not have access to medical care, and health care that they desperately need. we know that a vast majority of commercially exploited children are foster youth themselves, and to deny them access to health care when they need it is going to further traumatize young people that are already, you know, dealing with in survival mode, and have very few resources and limited supports. >> can you talk to us a little bit about the emotional toll on foster children? what have, not just the system done to foster youth, but the

last couple of years of the pandemic, how that has made it more difficult? what we anticipate the emotional toll of this decision to be on those that are in the system currently. >> that is a great question. this court decision is going to overwhelm the foster care system. children, when they are removed from their home, are traumatized. it is a traumatizing experience. we know that bureaucracies are not doing a great job at raising children. that is why and fyi members are advocating with decision-makers around the country to change those outcomes. foster youth are overwhelmingly placed in juvenile detention facilities. are trafficked out of placement homes. the average wait for a foster had to be adopted his four years nationwide. this is going to just exacerbate the already current crisis that the child welfare system is in. >> one of the arguments here on

the right has been, and it is certainly something that we heard from people like justice amy coney barrett, who said that abortion is unnecessary because we have safe haven laws, and an adoption system in this country. what would you say to people who say adoption is the only solution and abortion is unnecessary? >> i would say adoption has not worked. we have over 120,000 foster youth nationwide that is eligible for adoption today. so if adoption was the key to solving this problem, we wouldn't have wait lists of children that are waiting for loving families in the child welfare system. also, the vast majority of women do not give up their children. >> that is a very important point to emphasize. i really appreciate you joining us and helping us put the spotlight on this. it is something that requires a lot of attention. rebecca, thank you for your

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