from being in the office, but it's important to advocate for your particular work environment needs. they encourage young professionals to get into the office whenever they can and connect with as many people as possible. >> it's a tough one. it's a balance for women for sure. you can read her report at know your value dotcom. it is the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. 8:00 a.m. in most of kansas where voters in that state sent a major message about abortion rights. voters overwhelmingly struck down a proposed constitutional amendment that would have removed language enshrining reproductive rights in kansas. the proposed amendment was the

first time anywhere in the country where voters cast ballots on abortion rights since the supreme court overturned roe v wade in june. >> the republican primary for governor of arizona too close to call this morning. right now lake leads robson by about 10,000 votes. mark finchem is projected to win the republican nomination to oversee voting arizona as's secretary of state. in the senate primary, blake masters also endorsed by the future president is projected to win the nomination in arizona. in michigan, nbc news projects tudor dixon has won the republican nomination for the state's governor. the former conservative media personality won an endorsement from president trump just last week and faces off against

gretchen whitmer in november. also in michigan, nbc news projects john gibbs the winner in the republican primary for the state's third congressional district. he is the trump endorsed challenger to republican congresswoman peter meyer. in missouri, the state attorney general eric schmitt easily won the primary. former president trump gave a half hearted endorsement in that race saying he was supporting eric, no last name given.

schmitt will face trudi bush valentine. let's go back to arizona, steve kornacki, and look at that governor's race being watched very closely. the dynamic has changed a bit overnight. >> yeah, it did. it was the overnight hours on the east coast. basically what happened here was carrie lake, the trump backed candidate did extremely well in some of these counties in the same day vote, the election day vote. that is to say the folks who went out to the polls yesterday and voted in person. that's what was counted overnight. lake was trouncing karen taylor robson. that vaulted carrie lake

somewhere around 4:00 p.m. east coast time into the lead over taylor robson. you see the margin at over 10,000 votes. if you were watching late last night east coast time in the 11:00 p.m. midnight hour, we got a huge initial batch of votes, like 60% of all the vote in arizona. it put taylor robson ahead of lake by about ten points. the sequence in arizona is a three phase process for reporting out the vote. that big batch last night were all the early votes that arrived at election offices by monday. that's always what gets reported out first. we expected that would be the best vote for taylor robson. this was a trend we saw in arizona in 2020 and it's a trend we see in every other state really, same day election day

voters are very, very trump friendly. so the trump aligned candidate in this race absolutely cleaned up in that same day election vote. in those overnight hours, lake moved ahead of robson. the third phase of the vote count in arizona is what we're going to find out about today. that is ballots dropped off at polling places yesterday. those still have to get processed. they have to get verified. we find out today how many of those there are and hopefully we start to get some results of that as well. the past trend when you look at that type of vote, that has been a much more friendly type of vote.

lake able to get the lead with the same day vote. i think potentially looking at votes to come here that are going to be more friendly to lake than they are to robson. lake sitting on that lead right now with absolutely now the potential to win this nomination. if she wins this nomination as blake masters as won the republican senate nomination, mark finchem, the trump-backed candidate wins that easily. this is the trump backed candidate who is leading. cleaned up in the same day vote yesterday. the potential there for the trump backed candidates to go four for four in arizona and to have a statewide republican ticket emerge in arizona that is more on board with trump and his claims about the 2020 election than any other statewide republican slate in a battleground state probably in the country, that potential is very real at this hour.

>> it's fascinating. of course, a lot of democrats at the senate committee have to be excited at how a lot of their senate races are shaping up from dr. oz in pennsylvania, who has massively high unfavorability ratings to what's happening in ohio, georgia and now arizona. you have a senator there, senator kelly, who hasn't always performed as well in polls as expected, but they certainly have gotten their wish, going up against a trump-backed candidate. >> the trump-backed candidate and the trump-backed slate, again if lake does end up pulling this out, she's extremely vocal. of this sort of quartet, she's probably the most vocal in terms of a full throated endorsement of what trump says about the

2020 election. in terms of keeping that issue of the 2020 election front and center for the next few months in the general election campaign, carrie lake as the republican nominee much more than somebody like taylor robson would do that. it really raises an interesting question. republicans need a net gain of just one seat to get control of the senate. but in a number of these battleground states in a normal year you'd look at the political environment and say biden's popularity is extremely low, it's just tailor made for the opposition to get pickups. maybe republicans aren't going to be able to take advantage of it. what a test arizona is going to be. you have mark kelly, the incumbent democrat trying to win

in what is overall a tough political atmosphere. if this is the republican slate, leaning into all of that 2020 rhetoric, all those 2020 claims, is that a bridge too far for swing voters in arizona, who might be disappointed with biden, might not be happy with the democrats overall and might with a more generic slate of republican candidates be more inclined to vote for them just to send a message to democrats. that's typically what we see in midterm elections. in georgia and pennsylvania i think we're going to see that tested, the normal willingness of swing voters to go to the opposition party in a midterm is going to be tested. it will be interesting to watch play out. >> now, it is almost ten after 6:00 for the west coast. let's talk about the political earthquake that happened in the

middle of the country in kansas. this is a state that over the past 50 years has never voted for a democrat in any presidential contest. they've never had a democratic senator there over the past half century. this is a very conservative state. we had, of course, the vote on whether abortion rights would remain in the constitution yesterday. going into the race, a lot of people were saying it was going to be close, but it looked like the republican side was going to win. what evidence curious about and what i'd love for you to talk to our friends watching about is what happened are in the suburbs of kansas city? because obviously donald trump himself has stated to close advisors he's very worried that overturning roe is going to hurt him where he's lost the most

support and where republicans have lost the most support over the past five years. >> what's happened in the suburbs of kansas city is something we've seen in metropolitan areas and big suburban areas all across the country. kansas is still a state that voted for donald trump by 15 points in 2020, but you've seen tremendous movement away from republicans and toward the democrats in the suburbs of kansas city, none bigger than johnson county. johnson county is the biggest county in the state not geographically, but just in terms of the votes it produces. johnson county accounted for more than 25% of the votes counted on the state of kansas on this referendum came out of johnson county. no getting nearly 70% of the

vote in johnson county. johnson went for biden by about 8.5 points in 2020. in 2012 this was republican country. mitt romney won this by almost 20 points. that was the norm for a long time in johnson county and in a lot of suburbs like johnson county all across the country. they voted republican, tend to be more on pocketbook issues, maybe a little more moderate culturally. you see as the trump party took hold, places like johnson county reacted really negatively. the abortion vote is nearly 70% no. democrats have been saying it's placed like johnson county and voters in places like johnson county a lot of college educated professionals, a lot of college

educated women, it's voters in places like that who are going to be more motivated to get out and participate to vote for democrats to try to protect abortion rights. that's what democrats are saying. whether voters connect this to democrat versus republican races in november, that's the other half of what democrats are saying. we'll see. this is a referendum. this isn't a democrat versus a republican. we'll see if democrats are able to make that connection with voters. >> massive, almost presidential election turnout in that state, approaching a million voters last night. sam stein, let me bring you into the conversation. i want to go back to arizona for a moment as we tick through the list of republican candidates who won last night. most of these are not just

casual election conspiracy theorists. mark finchem the nominee for secretary of state was at the capitol at the stop the steal rally. what are the implications for that state by the victory of these candidates and if they go on and win the general? >> the short-term implications, i'm with steve here, if you're blake masters, you probably don't want carrie lake running for governor. you want taylor robson running for governor because it can pull in more establishment republicans. it makes it easier for democrats to win in a year they should not win. the long-term implications are extremely problematic if you have a slate of election deniers going on and winning and controlling the levers of the 2024 presidential, you're at a real tipping point moment.

what happens if for instance joe biden is running against donald trump and he has to contend in arizona knowing full well the secretary of state was at the january 6th riots and wants to decertify the 2020 election. that's highly problematic for the state of democracy. you have to wonder if the biden campaign in that situation even goes about contesting arizona or if they have to consider whether to pull out or not. that's a real question going forward for us as a society. i will also say that carrie lake has questioned the 2020 election results in part because over night on that election day results came in favoring joe biden and putting him in the lead. the exact thing has happened now in her benefit, to her favor. i don't suspect she'll be calling on the cyber ninjas to audit this one. so this is a bit of an opportunistic election conspiracy here. but the stakes are now extremely high because of the results

yesterday. >> we want to thank steve kornacki. we've got some big primaries coming up next tuesday. rest up for those. there was a notable democratic primary in michigan yesterday where nbc news projects democratic congresswoman andy levin has lost to haley stevens. at least one member of the levin family has served in congress since 1979. the rare primary matchup was the result of a redistricting plan that merged portions of their current districts with more voters coming from stevens' current territory.

congresswoman stevens joins us now. very good to have you on the show this morning. to what do you credit your victory? >> i think that women in oakland county spoke last night. i think that people who care about an economic message -- i've been a champion for our manufacturing economy, i offered a big portion of the chips and sciences act which passed last week which speaks to the voters of the county. we are an automotive hub. we are very reliant on supply chain considerations. i just worked my tail off as well. that's a big part of this as well, hard work, showing up in february, knocking doors, going to every senior center, bringing

people into the fold. i've become the first democrat since almost the moon landing to hold this seat and that's what we did last night. >> joe, she sounds like in terms of campaign style and what it takes someone i know very well, you. >> knock on every door, plant the yard signs when everybody else is doing other things, go to the voters where they are, where they live and outwork everybody. it makes a huge difference. i want to ask you also about ideology. some of the national press have talked about the difference between your more moderate views and your opponent's more progressive views. it's something we've heard time and time again over the past year or so. if you look from joe biden, the one moderate in a field of 15 or 16, you look at eric adams in new york city, you look at a spate of elections that have taken place over the past year

or, so it seems right now that moderates are faring better in election primaries than progressives. is that what you think happened last night in your race as well? >> i think this is all about delivery. if you look at the president biden agenda under democratic house and senate leadership, we got an infrastructure bill done, we passed common sense gun safety legislation for the first time in 25 years. we're the party that's talking about protecting women's reproductive rights, national right to abortion care in this country. and again with that chipped act, delivering for the american worker unity through delivery. so i'm happy to be the democrat talking about that and i am happy to take that message to no when we hold the house. >> congresswoman haley stevens, thanks for being on this morning. coming up, much more on the monumental victory for women's

rights in kansas. democratic congresswoman sharice david will be our guest. and one of the most closely watched primaries in the nation takes place in new york. it features two high profile sitting democratic members of song, but it's an outsider surging in the polls. >> and they were all asked last night about joe biden running in 2024. a very surprising response from one member who knows joe biden very well. >> and up next, nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan. we'll have the latest on the controversy surrounding that when "morning joe" returns. y sut when "morning joe" returns

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it is important to note that members of congress, several of them have made trips just

earlier this year, five senators, bipartisan, came, including the chair of the foreign relations committee mr. melendez came. not too much of a fuss was made. individual senators have made trips or plan to make trips. i just hope that it's really clear that, while china has stood in the way of taiwan participating and going to certain meetings, that they understood they will not stand in the way of people coming to taiwan. it's a show of friendship, of support, but also a source of learning about how we can work together better in collaboration. i think that they made a big fuss because i'm speaker, i guess. i don't know if that was a reason or excuse, because they didn't say anything when the men

came. [ laughter ] >> this is true. it's always true. speaker nancy pelosi departed taiwan earlier this morning after becoming the first house speaker in over two decades to visit the island since then-speaker of the house newt gingrich did so in april of 1997. pelosi made the trip despite military threats from china, which claims taiwan as its own territory. overnight she was awarded its highest civilian honor, with taiwan's president calling her a, quote, devoted friend. let's bring in white house reporter for politico and "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels. in terms of this trip that the speaker took, the white house was careful to prepare her for any option. >> well, i think they obviously wanted to talk to her, wanted her to consult with them.

i'm sure they didn't have to prepare for this, but obviously, eugene daniels, any white house would be very concerned about not having complete control over a diplomatic situation as touchy as this one. what are they saying behind the scenes in the white house about speaker pelosi going to taiwan? >> reporter: this is not a headache that any white house wanted when it comes to china. that's for a few different reasons. you have an administration that walked in here wanting to deal with china and the indo-pacific and set its own foreign policy there to work with china on different issues, but also and probably more importantly at this point work with them on possible oil sanctions for russia because of the invasion in ukraine. they're trying to do that while also being put in this tight spot of not being able to publicly be seen as chiding nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, the member of the president's party, for this trip or telling her what to do.

obviously it's very hard. i think a lot of people in washington, d.c. have figured out by now to tell nancy pelosi what to do and have her listen to you, but they have been warning about china and any aggressions that china may want to do. you've seen they possibly are going to be doing live fire exercises near taiwan. these are things they have done before. behind the scenes there's this concern about the impact. what's it going to look like moving forward, especially if as other leaders in other countries see nancy pelosi going to taiwan as an invitation for them to do the same thing. in the shadow of russia's invasion of ukraine, the kind of pretext for building aggression, including possibly any invasion of taiwan is much more concerning for the biden administration, hoping tensions simmer down as we move forward.

>> eugene daniels, thank you so much for your reporting. we greatly appreciate it. speaker pelosi has always taken a tough line against china. it was one of the few issues that the speaker and i worked together on back when i was serving there. every year we would oppose china's status for most favored trade nation status. she was always outspoken on china. she still is. so it's fac fascinating watching this play out. let's bring in kevin rudd, prime minister of australia. i'm curious what australia thinks about this visit, because obviously australia has long been a close ally, a great

friend of the united states and even more so now with the rise of china. how does australia view this speaker's trip to taiwan? >> well, joe, i can't speak on behalf of the australian government, but you're absolutely right that speaker pelosi has been consistent on this. i remember visiting her in the speaker's office some time ago when i was in office. she has always had a fundamental consistent hard line on the question of human rights in china. the bottom line is now that she as speaker is the third most powerful position in the united states under the u.s. constitution, that's what's caused the chinese reaction. she has every right to visit taiwan. whether it's wise or not in the current circumstances is a separate question. the trajectory for the u.s./china relationship overall is just getting worse and worse, sharper and sharper. the concern for many folks in the region is not that we should

not have dealings with taiwan. it's how much more fuel is thrown onto this fire and one day when will a match be lit? that's our major concern. >> mr. prime minister, the chinese really upped their rhetoric in the last few days, saying the united states would suffer the consequences if speaker pelosi did visit taiwan, scrambling a few jets in the strait there. when you say light the match that takes this conflict, which is cold to this point, to a new level, what potentially could do that? what do you see as some of the biggest risks? >> well, it always takes two to tango, or in this case three to tango, washington, beijing and taipei. washington first, what they are analyzing or concluding is that the united states is changing its approach to the one china policy. the chinese say that crosses a red line for them. we don't know the day or the

hour when they'll reach their conclusion, but if for example, when you've seen former secretary of state pompeo say that if he became president of the united states, he would diplomatically recognize taiwan as a separate state, that would cause a red line for the chinese. of course, the chinese under xi jinping are ramping up military pressure because xi wants to bring back taiwan ultimately if necessary by force. therefore, the tensions generated by both these positions are becoming sharper and sharper. so it won't happen tomorrow, but let me tell you it's getting worse. >> mr. prime minister, sam stein here. the backdrop to the pelosi visit, at least as it was alluded to in a recent "new york times" column, is china's approach to the war in ukraine. the biden administration reportedly has tried very hard to keep them at bay, to not help

arm the russians. they were worried that a pelosi visit would upend all that back channel and planning. i'm curious from your vantage point, having been on the diplomatic scene, obviously, do i have a sense of how china is approaching the war and could they be doing more to help the russians or potentially help the ukrainians? >> you're absolutely righ ing to say that the biden administration has been very clear in its communications with beijing not to provide any form of military assistance to russia despite russian requests for that to happen early on in the war. that has held up. china has not done so up until now. china has provided over support to the russians, including economic, but not on the military side. on the question whether this would form the basis of a chinese retaliation against the

u.s., i don't think so, because china never acts against its own self-interest. what it fears is the imposition of financial sanctions against china. i think we're more likely to see china's reaction in other forms, but directed against the taiwanese. they've already begun to impose a whole series of trade sanctions now against taiwan. i think you'll see much more by way of colorful military activity around the island as well. >> former prime minister of australia, kevin rudd, thank you so much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. up next, republican senators might not like the new spending bill the democrats are working on passing, but most of the items in the package enjoy widespread support among voters. we'll dig into the new polling on that. voters. we'll dig into the new polling on that.

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welcome back to "morning joe." a live shot of l.a. at 6:38 a.m., a city that is remembering a broadcast legend whose voice defined that town for so long. certainly that's the passing of vince scully yesterday. let's bring sam stein back in. sam, you brought some new polls with you. i must say the numbers that pertain to this new deal that democrats have carved out, pretty overwhelming, very supportive. can you go through them item by item? >> some fresh, hot polls for you guys. item by item, we might lose a lot of viewers. >> let me are do this for you. first of all, caps on prescription drug price increases. >> 77%. and medicare negotiations, 73. drug costs, again, 73. the deficit reduction components

here, not surprisingly, liked by republicans. that's at 73 total percent. and the 15% corporate minimum tax, which is a huge revenue raiser in this deal, one of the things that republicans have said that hamper business. that's at 64% approval. if you look at the components of this deal, people are widely supportive of it. we also note that about half of the public says they've heard about it, which is a fair bit. obviously this gives momentum as they consider it, but of course it all comes down to one senator now, which is kyrsten sinema of arizona. >> we've been talking about how democrats have had problems getting things done. you look at all those items, obviously anyone would want to campaign on those items. you look at the chips bill being more competitive against china.

that's going to be obviously positive economically. same thing with the va health care passage. the bipartisan infrastructure bill. you've got a lot of this legislation with overwhelming majority of democrats supporting the legislation on most issues the overwhelming number of republicans oppose it, even the new gun safety legislation. democrats actually seem to have a lot of issues to run on this fall. >> yeah. i think if you sat people down at the beginning of the biden administration and said, look, within two years you'll have a bipartisan infrastructure bill, a bipartisan gun deal, a bipartisan chinese competition deal, a bipartisan toxic burn pit health care deal for veterans. you may have a partison deal.

the problem, of course, is that it's not in a vacuum. the context of this has been obviously inflation, the rising gas prices. all that is what's hampering the president. i think if you were looking at it objectively and if they do actually score this inflation reduction act, i think biden has a legitimate case to make to the voters that in a 50/50 senate even he's had one of the more consequential first terms of any modern president. >> let's now talk about what happened in kansas. joining us now democratic congresswoman sharice davids of kansas. she won her party's primary last night, albeit running uncontested, but the big story was the defeat of the proposed

constitutional amendment that would have language enshrining reproductive rights in the state. what did we learn from last night? >> first of all, i'm definitely glad to be the democratic nominee, especially as we see people have extreme views like my opponent running. i think what we saw last night here in kansas was this is a win for kansas families for our rights. we saw broad diverse coalition of groups coming together to fight an amendment and what it stood for, which was really increased government control over our health care decisions. you know, we saw that kansas rejected that extreme position last night.

>> 59-41% it passed. steve kornacki was walking us through the turnout numbers, which were just extraordinary for a mid summer primary election, pushing up toward a million votes last night, bumping up toward presidential election year numbers. what did you make of that, just the turnout yesterday? >> yeah. you know, i think that a couple of things that i believe led to that. one was, you know, when the dobbs decision came down, we saw this across the country, but i can tell you here in kansas i saw it. people were scared and had tons of anxiety for them, for their kids, for their grandkids and i think rightfully so. in kansas we've been watching

these extreme total bans in our neighboring states, missouri, oklahoma. we picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off and got to work, which is what we do out here in kansas. i hope that people can see that getting engaged and making sure that you're making your voice heard -- people were knocking on doors and making phone calls. there was so much energy. i've heard the word excitement used as it relates to our win last night, but it wasn't just that. it was relief. the number of people that had their kids there and nowing that their kids at least there kansas, we were able to retain the rights we've had here under our state constitution for so long. >> because house districts are so gerrymandered, it's always fascinating. we always love to talk to somebody who's actually in a

seat that may be competitive, because you're on the front lines. you and about 25 or 30 other democrats. so i always want to know, what are you hearing out there when you're knocking on doors, when you're shaking hands, when you're going around kansas's third district, a swing district, what is foremost on voters' minds? >> you know, for the last few weeks the answer is pretty clear. i was definitely hearing a lot about this constitutional amendment, about the impact of the overturning of roe v wade. you mentioned this, the redistricting, which has absolutely impacted kansas. i now have a more rural district than i had previously. the impact that has had, i'm

learning a lot about ag. i got onto the agriculture committee recently. but also i'm still hearing a lot about rising costs. you know, folks are talking to me about gas prices. i was out in anderson county, kansas, hearing from people who are dealing with fertilizer that costs five times more than it did last year. actually, i'd encourage folks to follow along what we've got going on out here in kansas. you can follow me on twitter at sharice davids. >> thank you so much for being on. we really appreciate it. congratulations. >> thank you. and now to one of the most closely watched house primaries, a race that's still to come which pits two of the biggest names in the democratic caucus against each other, democrats jerry nadler and caroline maloney debated last night, each

declining to say if president biden should run again in 2024. >> should president biden run again in 2024? >> too early to say. doesn't serve the purpose of the democratic party to deal with that until after the midterms. >> ms. maloney? >> i don't believe he's running for reelection. >> wow. >> i'm really thrown off by those answers. >> that's interesting. that's nice to joe biden, i think. >> yeah. the guy is sitting there watching these two, i would be very disappointed actually, i really would. that's stunning, actually. it's a very, very different response that you would see on the other side. republicans always get around the nominee, sometimes defying

gravity, which are their issues. but this is incredible. >> you saw the challenger saying biden should run. >> yes, he did easily, of course. >> jerry nadler and caroline maloney are facing off for new york's district which includes manhattan's upper east side and upper west side. patel says he's within striking distance of the two veteran lawmakers. an internal poll shows that his campaign is surging. let's bring in suraj patel now. thanks so much for being with us. we got to say we're a bit flummoxed by the answer to the joe biden question, but not a lot of ambiguity in your answer. why? >> well, first off last night you saw two very different arguments for new york and for the future. neither of them could utter a single word about a plan for

inflation, for the economy, for the future of how to win this country back. all they did was do something very self-serving. they saw polling numbers or some absurd washington examiner type headline that office and threw their own president under the bus. which is a bunch of mularkey. i used to work for president obama and president biden and president biden was one of my first bosses. i remember going to a horse farm in ocala, florida, doing advanced work for him in 2008. he was the only one capable of beating donald trump, and he did. in the first two years he will after the climate bill be the most accomplished president since johnson and as commander in chief he has put putin in a box. so my question to the chair of the house oversight and judiciary committee is, what in the heck are you think, giving republican talking points and

ammo and frankly making an ageist argument against your own president. only one president should decide whether they want to run for president and that is joseph biden. >> suraj, let's talk about the dynamics of this race for people who don't live around here and don't understand it. you have two incumbent congressmen long time running against each other because of redistricting. they both decided to run. they're old friends. they almost wouldn't criticize each other during the debate. you had to hop in and do that for them. part of the case you're making is generational. you said last night it's 2022. it's time to turn the page on 1992. what do you mean? >> 1990s politicians have lost almost every major battle to mitch mcconnell and the republicans. you name it, they don't have an economic argument for the future. generational change needs to come to the democratic party. it needs to come in a pragmatic way. so, you know, i'm the only candidate in this race who has put out comprehensive plans on

the economy, on immigration. we're running the campaign with the same zeal, optimism and hope my family brought to this country when they had nothing. i slept on a living room floor until i was in ninth grade and yet we're on the verge of pulling off one of the biggest upsets in history. go to my website and see a differences page. we are significantly different from my opponents. i want to add one more thing. the reason we are in this race in the first place, maloney and nadler, because the two of them conspired to cut young and latino voters out of their districts when they did their own redrawing of lines. the "times" reported it, kathy hochul confirmed it. a tom delay-esque move. this to me, for them to be running against each other with their anti-vax history and back room deals and endorsements of each other, they have no ideas for the future. it's time to turn the page. >> okay. sam, will you help me with

something? >> sure. >> if you don't mind. >> i don't mind. >> what do you think -- what were -- i mean, i don't know, but what comes to mind as potentially the reason that carolyn maloney and congressman nadler had those answers? >> well, you know, there's only two explanations. one is the one that suraj was getting at, they've seen some data or polling that suggests younger generation of democratic voters want to turn the page on biden and hop on that. two is congressman maloney has insider information that she is privy to about the white house's thinking. if that's the case she's the only one that i've heard who has that insight and she should get into the reporting business if she has that scoop. i actually have a question for suraj about this generational argument. help me unpack it. it does seem like you're arguing

two sides of the same coin. you said it's time to move on from the '90s era politicians who have lost these battles to mitch mcconnell. at the same time you're crediting president biden, you know, certainly a politician of the '90s and '80s who, you say, has had the most consequential first time since lin don baines johnson because he bested or worked with mcconnell on the things you say democrats have lost to mcconnell on. those seem like contradictions to me. help me unpack why generational change is needed in your race, but maybe not for the presidential race? >> well, let me just say, one, the president is in a different position. he's the leader of our party, and it is not on us to give republicans talking points about why he shouldn't run or whether he should run. the distinction about generational change is this -- when i went to the obama farewell address he talked about how, you know, if you love the old testment and you see moses gets you out of egypt but says that it is of the joshua

generation to go forward, i can go no longer, and this is where we are. the party needs bottom up refreshment and generational change. you know, when we got elected in 2008, we had democratic senators from states like, you know, arkansas, missouri, north dakota, indiana, places that you would never think are fathomable now. the reason is because we worked with the politics of persuasion. we don't find people because we disagree with them on one thing. you know, sam, 69% of americans support roe versus wade but 49% voted for donald trump. what i'm saying is, we've got to get new leaders who are fascinated, curious and interested in figuring out what that 20% delta is and why. to me, it is -- it's the economy, stupid. i mean, you have to talk about inflation. you've got to have people who have been in the private sector and public sector. i've done both those things and fought foreclosures. i come from the real world. new yorkers are tired of lip service from d.c. politicians

who come here, cut ribbons, go back, take credit for the work hard new yorkers do. sam, it is not any -- i'm going to go out on a limb here and say carolyn maloney does not have insider information that joe biden divulged to her. i'm going to tell you the fact of the matter is they think maybe they can pull younger voters away from me throwing their president under the bus, the exact type of triangulation that gets democrats in the firing squad at all times. people are done with this culture of defeatism in washington, d.c. from democrats. we should be celebrating accomplishments and fixing people's lives. >>s you know from campaigning, quality of life crime top of mind for many people in this city. it's part of the reason eric adams was elected mayor last year. quality of life outranked anything by a long shot. what do you propose to do to change the trajectory where people are getting shot and stabbed in the subway and people are scared to go out?

>> incredible point. i've talked to thousands of voters and it is the number one issue that comes up. i have a three apart plan. one, is that we need to reorient policing. you know, last year in new york city, only 60% of homicides were cleared. that means an astronomical four out of ten people who have killed somebody are walking around. 1990s politicians focused on increasing punishments. unless you believe in reincarnation multiple life sentences does not create more deterrence. being caught might. i support the val demings victim act to allow police officers and police departments to get grants to hire detectives and technologies to increase the homicide clearance rate to solve crime. that's one. number two, we have to invest in place based interventions. if you go just down the street to 28th and 7th avenue near penn south or by my house at 14th and 1st, you see you've got mayhem on the street where there are no

street lights. sunlight is the best disinfectant and a street light is the best security guard. we have to invest in in street lights, get commerce back up. this is an opportunity crisis. our unemployment rate in new york is two and a half times the national avenue. we have to get storefront reese opened, specialized sba facility that applies this concept across the country whether it's little rock, arkansas, or new york city or des moines, iowa, getting storefronts reopened to compete with big box retailers and getting commerce back on our streets is something everyone should agree on. >> real quick, cops says you have to fix bail reform. do you agree with that they're seeing a revolving door. >> i was a proud supporter of bail reform and you shouldn't criminalize poverty. as an evidence based policy maker i am not an ideologue and realize with recidivism and violent crimes judges ought to

have discretion in instances to make sure someone doesn't go out and commit the same crime multiple times before they get tried. >> democratic congressional candidate for new york's 12th district suraj patel pulling behind maloney and nadler. >> thank you. sam stein, final thoughts now our last minute this morning. a busy one. >> yeah. it's just a dynamic time politically right now. the results from last night on the one hand look at a slate of trump backed candidates in arizona shows that he still has the power in the republican party. but this abortion referendum in kansas i think is more seismic. it does show that there are some issues that simply cross ideological and partisan lines and i would be very curious over the next 24 hours to see how democrats and pro abortion rights advocates use those results to change the midterm

elections with a couple months to go. >> all right. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we're tracking the latest results in some big primary elections right now. voters in five states showing us that november's races will be more complicated than anyone could have predicted. trump backed candidates claiming victory in key contests while in kansas, an unexpected landslide vote to protect abortion rights in the first ballot in post-roe america. steve kornacki is at the big board to break down all the results. plus, china infuriated by speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan. the preliminarycations of her trip on that tricky relationship. here at home, big movement on capitol hill. the senate just passed legislation to help veterans exposed to burn pits after republicans initially blocked that