hey, everybody. good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. the president expected to speak any moment now, expanding access to reproductive care and other health services. these remarks were scheduled before the official results out of kansas last night where voters turned out in droves to decide on a measure that would have taken abortion rights out of the state constitution to hand the issue back to the republican dominated state legislature. they rejected it decisively, 59-41. it is the first time americans have voted on abortion rights since roe was overturned back in june. the most tangible example of the political backlash of the supreme court's reversal. opponents hoped the timing would in fact work in their favor,

especially given these primary elections, typically have lower turnout rates than general elections. it was, in fact, the opposite effect. to put into context how unprecedented these numbers were, in 2018 about 450,000 people showed up for the kansas primary election. yesterday it was nearly double that. that's about half of the state's total registered voters, even some kansans were surprised by that. >> there were a lot of people last fall that did not believe that the supreme court would overturn roe v. wade. and when they realized that it happened and they were like, oh, i think i need to go vote. so i think it brought a lot a people out the door to vote that wouldn't normally vote in a primary. >> i'm super proud to be from kansas tonight and i feel like my state just showed up and boldly told me they are going to take care of me and my female friends and everyone that can get pregnant in the state of kansas.

we are protected tonight. >> i thought it would be a lot closer. to see the turnout the way that it is has floored me. i'm so proud to be a kansan. and, by the way, it's not just kansas. a record number of abortion related questions are expected to be on state ballots across this country this year. could yesterday's surprise win be an indicateor of how that election will unfold? joining me is dasha burns, emily will, cornell belcher, pollster and political analyst. dasha, you've been on the ground in kansas for the last couple of days or so. we've talked a lot about the initial reaction from last night's results. talk to me about what you've been seeing on the ground over the last 24 hours or so.

>> look, yasmin, this is a big deal. i don't think that can be overstated. the first ballot test for abortion rights since roe fell and the answer was clear, it was decisive. i was in that room last night as the results came in and the energy from abortion rights advocates, it was palpable, the emotion was high and there was quite a bit of surprise. as i've been talking to folks on the ground here, those knock on doors to push the amendment to roll back abortion rights, there was conviction and hope and there wasn't a lot of optimism. the best they would hope for was a narrow victory. nobody was expecting this. especially because they really faced some headwinds here. we talked about the fact that this was on a primary ballot, not the general in november. primaries tend to have, as you spoke about earlier, a smaller turnout tends to be more conservative. but that was anything but this time around.

the turnout was absolutely stagger. absolutely staggering. it was much more like general election turnout here. and one of the big questions we were looking at from a national perspective, the reason kansas was so important, not just for the state and entire nation and november, how will kansans vote and will this drive voters to the polls? the answer was a resounding yes. i want you to take a listen to just some of the conversations we had last night. >> we, all my friends and i thought that it was going to a very narrow margin of victory or defeat and so we were just nervous. we've been nervous since we heard about the supreme court's decision. >> as a husband, i did not look forward to trusting the legislature to protect the rights of my wife if her life was threatened and this amendment would have effectively given them complete control over that situation and that's crazy.

>> and pretty disenheartening for me when roe v. wade was overturned because it felt like the obvious choice for kansans to then be hostile towards abortion and make it a state where it was unsafe for women to have that kind of access. >> reporter: the value them both coalition behind this amendment spoke out last night saying they will continue to fight, will be back. they said this debate is not over here or anywhere else in this country but this does give a huge indication where americans are, especially when you're looking at a state like kansas that is pretty conservative. what's interesting, when you look at the numbers of vote totals for the republican primary compared to the numbers of -- i'm sorry, the number of yes votes, the anti-abortion votes on this ballot measure, there was a significant dropoff, meaning there are republicans that voted in favor of

protecting abortion rights in kansas and i really think that does say a lot for november, yasmin. >> let's talk about what this means further and could play on a larger scale. emily, let me quote you say, "the conservative legislature wanted this to be among a small group of voters who generally lean conservative. the plan back fired and they ended up with a vote on abortion only weeks after the fall of roe and people understand that this issue is really unique in this moment." what kind of message does what we see in kansas send to the rest of the country? >> it absolutely says that you can go too far, and abortion has been used as a political issue for so long. patients at the end of the day are people and kansans saw through that and they trust patients to make medical decisions on their own without government interference and we

did all we could throughout this campaign to educate voters and communicate what was at stake. and there were some really high hurdles. throughout this campaign we had to talk about misleading language and misconceptions and in the last days, there was a text that went out that said if you vote this way, and that was wrong. kansans saw through that deceit and it is a good day to be sitting in kansas. >> how is this going to play in other states where abortion is in some way on the ballot in some way, shape or form, especially come november. when you think back to the overturn of roe and what was stated, the idea was we are turning these rights back to the states, and kansas did just that yesterday. and the voters in kansas spoke. so i'm wondering if you are an activist championing for abortion rights across this country, can you take hold of

what took place in kansas and possibly force ballot measures elsewhere? >> it's a trick question, yasmin. there's a way in which what happened in kansas is this could be used by people in consistencies to determine what their views are on this subject. i think the broader issue is going to the polls on these issues, that's a second best option for protecting what is a fundamental right. we've never allowed fundamental rights to subject to majoratorian politics. this is an important bellwether

going forward. the opposition can go too far. the individual talking about the impact of this on his wife and the idea that state legislatures are making this decision, it shows that people don't want the state making these decisions that are so intimate. this is something for individuals to decide for themselves. but, again, that should be constitutionally secured. >> so of course we're looking ahead to november for now, the mid terms. how do democrats utilize this as a rallying cry for democratic voters, for turnout? you look at turnout in kansas. it is astounding the number of people that showed up to vote for this measure. if you look at polling here, top issues for women under the age of 50, abortion at 76% followed closely by the economy at 75%. if you're a democrat, looking at last night and how abortion came out in kansas, how do you utilize this without exploiting it, cornell, because it

certainly is a fine line. >> it's not just the economy, stupid. there's a plethora of issues. and certainly this is a top issue and a mobilizing issue. one of the challenges for democrats in this mid term historically is you see low energy and a difficulty for democrats to mobilize their base, which happens to be a lot of young voters and women and women voters. what is astounding about this, if you look inside the data here in kansas is those number of people who registered after the dobbs decision, they were overwhelmingly you saw a surge of women who weren't registered registering to vote. so i think the mobilization there possibly a lot of us have been arguing have coming to fruition when you see it there on the ground. but the other thing broader in the mid term is you got a lot of republicans in battleground districts who have -- who are on

the record for not being for a woman's right to choose and for -- some of them are against even contraception. i think in november you will see democrats hounding a lot of these republican challengers and even some of these republican incumbents in these battleground districts because here is an issue clearly breaking hard against republicans. i think you'll see advertising in almost every battleground district this fall around issues of choice and government overreaching extremism. >> we are also waiting for the president for that event, making that an executive action to provide more abortion access across the country. as soon as that comes up, we're going to go to that. i want to put that out there as we're having that discussion. i want to follow up that there is this idea that democrats could feesably exploit this

issue. i spoke to a woman after the overturn of roe she got a message about fund-raising and she saw and thought the democratic party was exploiting the issue of abortion rights. how do you avoid that from happening again here? >> well, i think you got a message to the value on it. issues are often sort of exploited in politics, but is this a mobilizing issue? yes. a lot of us democrats would argue that when president bush got a dynamic changing event to happen and he overcame what history said was going to be a bad mid term for him, a lot of democrats said they were exploiting 9/11 when they turned

their focus to national security and not talking about the economy, and what you saw is you saw president bush and republicans at that time overcome what history should say was going to be a bad mid term for them. i think there's a fine line for democrats here but clearly the issue of abortion and clearly women are energized and i think to a certain extent they've awakened a sleeping giant in young are women who typically sleep through the mid terms. there's a fine line, giving voice to it and engaging them with this issue and what democrats will do differently to secure their rights if they have the majority in the house and if we can win two more senate seats, a contract with women voters about securing their rights if in fact you give them both houses, both chambers of congress. >> emily, i want to end this on

talking about access to abortion for women in the midwest. had this passed, thousands of women would not have had access to abortions in that area, women traveling especially from states like texas as well with restrictive laws in place there. what does this mean for access now considering what's taken place over the last 24 hours? >> it's hugely critical. we know when you don't have access at the local level, there's really no access at all. in the great plains we serve patients in arkansas, oklahoma and missouri. we have neighboring kansas, three states that don't have local access and where people do have fewer rights than they did six weeks ago. it is not lost on our patients in those states that they're going to have to figure out child care and travel and funds to get out of their state for care and i think in this kansas vote, kansans saw that happening across state lines we seewhat

crisis looks like and conversations about emergency contraception and medical care. kansans wanted to push back and say, no, that's not going to happen here. our doors are open and we're still seeing patient and feel very fortunate their rights are in fact. >> i'm going to ask you guys to stick around, if you could, as we await this executive action being taken by the president any moment now, waiting for him from the white house. of course the president continuing to test positive for covid so that will be taken virtually but nonetheless, we'll be watching that very closely. still ahead, big wins for the big lie. the election liars who prevailed in last night's primaries and what it means for the mid terms. and speaker pelosi's trip to taiwan is continuing but the fallout is continuing. max baucus on the blowback from beijing and whether the visit was worth the risk. first, the state of the domestic

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welcome back. so when joe manchin and chuck schumer struck a surprise deal on their climate, health care and tax bill last week, senator kyrsten sinema was not actually in the room. manchin was saying he's sending her text messages to convince her this bill is exactly what she wanted a couple months back. >> she'll make her decision based on the facts. we'll be exchanging texts back and forth and she's extremely bright, she works hard, she makes a good decision based on facts and i'm relying on that. >> so far sinema has been mum on her position. when asked by a reporter today whether she would back it, sinema said, "taking my time." after a week-long delay from republicans, the senate a

adopted a the pact act. the president will sign the bill into law on monday and this afternoon the senate is expected to pass a resolution supporting sweden and finland joining nato as well. joining me is sahill kapur. it's kind of the question of kyrsten sinema. where is she, what is motivating her and what's she's most worried about when it comes to her constituents? >> it's such a bizarre dynamic here in arizona. i've talked to staunch trump supporters wearing maga hats saying they like sinema. they are highly unlikely to vote for sinema but she likes to be liked by the most conservative

republicans and befriend them and that bolsters her image as an iconoclast. that same democratic base here in arizona with whom she has a very frosty relationship is overtly threatening her political future saying she will go down in her 2024 primary if she torpedos this bill with all the priorities it has for democrats, climate change, prescription drugs. that's the dynamic that sinema is facing at this point. usually she likes to find common ground in her nature, a situation where she'll make some people happy and make some people upset across the aisle. on this one it's a more stark decision because the dish is cooked by chuck schumer and joe manchin. she has to make a difficult call, especially when there is one provision in this bill she is known to have opposed in the past. >> a difficult one and a quick one, too, jake sherman because

it seems as if the deadline at this point is a couple of days away before august recess for the senate. schumer and manchin said they want to hold that vote before them then. is that a possibility of it even getting done? and aside from kyrsten sinema, do they have all the votes they need in hand? >> they probably do have all the votes besides sinema. it's important to keep in mind chuck schumer will keep them here until they get this done if there is a pathway to getting it done. i agree with what sahil said but she would be signing her political death warrant if she completely alienated the rest of the democratic base that has been a bit frustrated with her in the last couple years. i would say the carried interest loophole which allows basically hedge fund and private equity managers to pay a lower tax rate on some of that interest they make off their businesses was something that was not in the build back better bill that the white house had cobbled together

what seems to being ions ago. but as she has said, she is going to hold out until she gets the final ruling from the parliamentarian. we may not hear from the parliamentarian until this weekend, early next week. we reported the senate finance committee doesn't even have its chunk of text to the parliamentarian yet. so we could be days away here. so we could be playing a waiting game. until then we actually are likely to be playing a waiting game until then. i'd add one more important point here. the majority of the stuff in this bill are things that she supports and the entire democratic caucus reports. if we're talking about narrowing this down to a very small universe, carried interest and other things she might not support, that is stomachable for democrats. carried interest only bring in $14 billion of revenue, a

relatively small amount of money in a bill of this size. my base case has been based on my reporting that they will get her on board. i can't imagine to get this far in the process with manchin, who has typically been the problem child for democrats and have sinema bail out at the last moment. >> i got to ask, though, jake, in saying this would kind of be her death warrant if she votes against this legislation, why would this be it when up until this point in so many different measures for both sinema and manchin, talked about doing away with the filibuster, things they were against for quite some time, yet this moment would be her death warrant if she were not to vote yes? >> it might be a litification, point. this is climate, prescription drugs, obama care subsidies,

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome back, everybody. you're taking a look at the white house here as we are awaiting this announcement from the president in which he will take executive action there to protect abortion access, some of which will include making it easier for women to travel between states. as you well know, the president still testing positive for covid so he'll be appearing virtually. from what i understand the attorney general is in that room awaiting the president to begin this address, as well secretary

mayorcas. vice president kamala harris as well walking into the room. the president taking this executive action for abortion access in this country. but for now of course we want to still talk about what happened over the night. the last 24 hours, votes are still be counted in arizona where the republican primary for governor is still too close to call but a few trump-endorsed candidates walked away with wins last night. i want to go to steve kornacki at the big board. wow, it was a big night, kornacki. it's still happening today. >> arizona shaped up as a real test here of donald trump, his appeal to the republican party in that state and specifically the appeal of his rhetoric and claims around the 2020 election. trump endorsed four candidates statewide in arizona in these republicans primaries who to some extent or another in some cases to a full extent echo his

claims about the 2020 election. we can tell you three of them already have won. this is the outstanding piece of business here, carrie lake is the trump endorsed candidate. the margin is just over 10,000 votes -- >> steve, the president i believe is speaking now. let's go to the white house to take a listen to the president and then we'll come back. the republican congress [ inaudible ]. as i said before, this is not

over. incest or having a rape, this is just extreme. you know, even life of the mother is in question in some states. republican congressmen with extreme maga ideology are determined to go further, talking about nationwide bans that would outlaw abortion in every circumstance, going after the broader right to privacy as well. as i said before, this fight is not over. we saw that last night in kansas. in the opinion of the dobbs case, the extreme majority the supreme court wrote, women and this is a quote from that case, women are not without electoral or political power, unquote. the court practically dared women in this country to go the to ballot box and restore the

right it stripped away for 50 years. they don't have a clue about the power of american women. last night in kansas they found out. women and men did exercise their electoral and political power with a record turnout. voters defeated a ballot initiative to remove the right to choose an abortion from the kansas constitution, in the kansas constitution. they're trying to strike it and eliminate it from the kansas constitution and a decisive vote, decisive victory, voters made it clear that politicians should not interfere with the fundamental rights of women. and the voters of kansas sent a powerful signal that this fall the american people will vote to preserve and protect the right and refuse to let them be ripped away by politicians.

and my administration has their back. today i'm signing the second executive order, i'm about to sign, that responds to the health care crisis that has unfolded since the supreme court overturned roe and that women are facing all across america. health care crisis is, you know, it's a hard to understand how they think. health care crisis is women can't choose, can't get an abortion even in the case of incest, even in the case of rape. but it goes beyond that. for a lot of women who take prescriptions prescribed by their doctors they've been taking for some time for other conditions, for arthritis, for epilepsy, for krone's disease and in many cases these prescriptions are not being filled. say a 25-year-old woman, her doctor prescribes medication for

eplycy, she goes to the pharmacy, the pharmacist won't fill it because it could cause an abortion. the pharmacy won't fill it and they don't know whether she's pregnant or not. under federal law no woman, whether pregnant or not, no matter where she lives should be turned away or denied necessary treatment during a medical crisis. justice barber stepped in to make sure this extreme state law criminalizing abortion does not put women's health and lives at risk in these situations. this executive order also helps women travel out of state for medical care. secretary bacera will work with states to allow them to provide

reproductive health care for women who live in states where abortions are being banned in that state. executive order makes sure health care providers comply with federal laws so women don't face delays or denial of medically necessary care. and this executive order advances research and data collection to evaluate the impact of this reproductive health crisis is having on maternal health and other health conditions and outcomes. this executive order builds on the first one i signed last month that created this task force in the first place and will safeguard access to health care and including the right to contraception, promote security of clinics and patient providers and protect patients' access to private and accurate information. beyond the actions you're

taking, i know many of you have been traveling along with others so we are doing what we can in my administration to protect the rights of women's health and safety and the people of this country. their perspectives are going to inform the work of this task force and the recommendations you make to me. i believe roe got it right and it's been the law for close to 50 years, and i committed to the american people that we're doing everything in our power to safeguard access to health care and including the right to choose that women had under roe v. wade which was ripped away by this extreme court. ultima thely congress must codify the protections of roe as federal law. if congress fails to act, the people of this country need to elect senators and

representatives who will restore roe and protect the right to privacy, freedom and equality. i'll stop there and turn this over to the vice president. there's so much more to say but i'm anxious to hear from all of you. thank you, thank you, thank you. do i sign this order now? i'm going to sign this executive order right now, okay? okay, folks. got a lot of work to do. madam vice president, i'm sure can you get it done sitting there with all those folks. thank you. i wish i were with you in person, quite frankly, but i'm getting there. you're on mute, i can't hear you. >> we feel your presence, mr. president. thank you. >> thank you.

>> a bit of levity there at the end as the president appears virtually. the second action he's taking on abortion access amidst the overturn of roe, some of which will be included in this executive action making it easier for women to travel between states, allowing states to apply for specific medicaid waivers that would help treat out of state abortion seekers and a federal task force on reproductive care led by vice president kamala harris who attended this talk as well. and the president addressing the voters in kansans and -- kansas and extreme measures when it comes to abortion access. i want to bring in emily wells,

ceo of planned parenthood of great plains. let me go to this executive action being taken by the president right now. >> it's really important for people to understand you can still cross state lines to get access to care. we provide care in four states, three of the four don't get access to care today. we get questions every day from people who ask if they're doing something criminal, who ask if they should lie to their families and friends whether you are getting care. we have to say again, you have a protected right to travel and hearing from the president confirmation of that and there will be resources to help people who are scrambling to get care to get out of their states is hugely important in this moment. >> how important is it for the president to be taking this action right now when it comes to these women who are in more

restrictive states who are afraid for their own rights? >> the president's options are relatively limited and he conceded this to some extent. he talked about the role congress could play, which would codify the protections of roe v. wade. one of the things that he can do is provide some clarity. there's been a lot of confusion on the ground, confusion for patients, confusion for providers about where their professional liability ends and where their medical judgment can come into conflict with law and the president is trying to provide clarity through this task force and making it clear to women that they can travel to our jurisdictions for the care they need. >> the second executive action that he has taken since the overturn of roe. i appreciate you both sticking around with me.

i want to return to the big board. steve, we were talking about the ballot measure rejected in kansas but also specifically what took place in arizona last night, which was pretty astounding. we're still watching some of those results coming in now. >> you were saying sort of a test of donald trump, his claims about the 2020 election and the appeal of those claims to republican voters. in arizona trump backed four statewide candidates in republican primaries yesterday who all to some degree or another echo his claim about 2020. so far three of the four have won. this is the one that's still a little bit up in the air but karrie lake is endorsed by trump and she's all in on what donald trump says about 2020. she leads in this gubernatorial. the margin is just over 10,000 votes. the trend is the friend right now in terms of how the votes are coming in in arizona. what we're waiting on is folks who dropped off ballots at the

polls yesterday. this is different than folks who actually went in and voted in person yesterday. they filled out the ballot at home, they dropped it off at the poll place yesterday. it still has to be processed, verified, all these things. so it takes a day or two for a lot of these counties to do that. maricopa county, the largest in the state, says they have about 125,000 of those ballots. but we know something from past elections and i think how this one has played out so far about how these late-arriving ballots tend to break. they tend to be the most friendly to donald trump and likely the most friendly to the trump-backed candidates. we saw it overnight when the same day vote that was cast in person by people at the polls yesterday, when that was tabulated, that's how carey lake got the lead. we don't expect her to win the ballots that were dropped off

yesterday but that same margin but at this point she's got the lead statewide. all she has to do is win them at all by any margin and it certainly again seems the character of that late-arriving late suggests that's likely. we'll see when it starts getting released but i think it's a lot of people's expectation heading into this. if lake does in fact win this republican primary, it would be a clean sweep for the trump candidates, a full slate of four candidates, on board with his claims about 2020 in what is going to be one of the preeminent swing battle states this november. we're showing you the gubernatorial but it's the battle for the senate this november that looms largest in arizona at least nationally. mark kelly ibt democrat, blake masters, trump-endorsed candidate who won the primary yesterday. this race will have huge implications for control of the united states senate and will put two things in tension.

number one, national climate. joe biden unpopular, the economy not in a good place. normally that would put the opposition party in a good position in a place like this. but what kelly's campaign and what democrats are hoping for is that masters and this entire slate of trump aligned republican candidates in arizona, that arizona voters swing voters in particular take a look at it and say that's just a step too far, even if i'm unhappy with biden, even if i'd rather send a message to the democrats, i can't do it, this republican party has just gone too far. that's what democrats are hoping voters in arizona are going to see. it's going to be a very interesting test. but it's set up for that way. >> so possibly kornacki clean sweep in arizona as we're seeing this play out. my fall-out question here is how did trump-backed candidates do outside the state of arizona? >> the other big one yesterday

was you had three republicans who had voted to impeach donald trump in the house facing republican primary voters. this was the highest profile one. peter meijer, he lost his primary. he came closer than some thought he would. but gibbs wins that primary. meijer will lose his seat. democrats had a hand in this. they spent money trying to promote gibbs, trying to get him the nomination because this district is very competitive in the general election. democrats are thinking they have a better chance of beating gibbs than mejier. how can you spend money actually trying to put him in a position where he could get into a position of power? anyway, democrats spent the money, gibbs wins and advances to the general election. that is a republican who voted

to impeach trump who is going to lose his seat. there are two republicans in washington state, i can just show you this, who voted to impeach trump. top two primary in washington state, both parties on the same ballot, top two advance to the next election. third district, a democrat has won, you got jamie herrera butler, she leads the trump-backed candidate. and newhouse, a lot of votes still to come. that's the republican who voted to impeach trump. you may in these top two primaries in washington see a pair of republicans advance to the general despite voting to impeach trump. >> the finish line is near for today. hopefully you'll get some rest, my friend. >> after speaker pelosi came and went, what kind of damage is she

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all right. speaker nancy pelosi is in south creea after wrapping up her controversial trip to taiwan before boarding a plane today. she vowed to support the island and its goal of breaking free from mainland china's role, in part because an independent taiwan could help the united states combat china's influence in the region. >> the people of taiwan have proven to the world that with hope, courage and determination, it is possible to the build a peaceful and prosperous future, even in terms of the challenges you face. and now more than ever, america's solidarity with taiwan

is crucial and that is the message we are bringing here today. >> so china, on the other hand, did not take pelosi's visit well and announced plans for military drills later this week, some of which would take place within taiwan's territory. joining me to talk about this, max baucus. he was also the u.s. ambassador to china from 2014 to 2017. senator, thank you for joining us on this. so we heard from speaker pelosi. i want to read to you a little bit more what she said. today the world faces a choice between democracy and autocracy. america's determination to preserve democracy here in taiwan and around the world remains iron clad. essentially in a way, i see it as her staring down china. what do you make of the speaker's trip so far and what she had to say? >> well, speaker pelosi in a

normal statement, when she appropriately stands up for human rights all around the world, not just in china. the goal should be to reduce it, not to end it. clearly her 50s dramatically -- the relationship is already [ inaudible ] frankly, i think it was irresponsible for her to go. many chinese, people i've talked to, are very concerned. they say, too, not just president xi who finds this, it was the chinese people. the chinese people are very strong and want to be part of mainland. and president xi has been very strong for the next part,

[ inaudible ] which means he'll have to do so to save face. i don't think it will be war. i don't think it is woresome. but add to that, i think the things that are more significant. more profound. already, they're limiting exports to taiwan than to mainland china. do you expect actions against the united states? if not militaristic, then what? >> well, no action against the united states. china almost worships security. a war with the united states is the last thing they want. that'll would cause disruption to the economy. they want to keep people in china happy. that means the people want peace. not a war against the united

states. the real question is, how far will they go in showing their displeasure with the pelosi visit? she didn't have to go. [ inaudible ] she wanted to go on her own. so china will take action. it will be very significant. and it will cause a rift in the relationship. >> do you expect more involvement in ukraine from china? >> well, that is a very good question. our administration has been working overtime with the chinese to discourage china from invading with russia into ukraine. right now, there is immense disrespect for china's visit with the pelosi visit. it could be that our previous -- we've perceived it. china saying we can't trust the

united states. they do all these crazy things. this visit will cause china to double down. to be more independent as much as they can. and that will cause -- >> senator max baucus, thank you so much. good to talk to you. that does it for me, everybody. you can catch me weekends from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. eastern. p.m.. and for those who do get it bad,

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the fight over abortion rights on top of the headlines as we come on the air, both in and outside washington. president biden signing a new executive order in the last few minutes to try to protect women and families who need to travel for abortion care. that includes in the state of kansas. and that shocker of a vote to protect abortion access there. we have new reporting on how this election might affect the next one. across town we're following new developments in the senate and the race to vote on the social spending package. the key lamm on this, senator sinema finally saying something today. why it is only marginally more

than what saying nothing. and the investigation into rudy giuliani. whether he'll face charges over his comments about ukraine. plus why a judge's comments, and sandy hook victims in court today. we've got it all covered here in washington. i want to bring in kelly o'donnell, our senior white house correspondent, and our senior political editor. kelly, let me start with you. get to the bottom line for us. what was this executive order that the president signed as it relates to abortion access? >> reporter: the truth is it is limited at this point. the president's power in the executive are limited because congress really needs to make big changes. what can the president do? in this, he is asking his own executive branch department, health and human services, to try to set up rule over the next 30 days to use medicaid, which is a joint state and federal

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