but it is an important story and it continues to play out. i'm glad you in been have that conversation. have a great night, my friend, and we will see you tomorrow. >> thank you. >> and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. if you would allow me, i would like to take you back in time, back to september of 2009. as a new american leader was making his first appearance at the annual united nations general assembly. president barack obama was just eight months into his first term. and the big un meeting was kind of his big debut on the global diplomatic stage. he and his secretary of state, hillary clinton, were greeted warmly by american allies as they announced a more cooperative approach to international affairs as opposed to the with us or against us attitude of the prior administration. president obama was not the only world leader attending his very first un general assembly that day. another first timer got almost as much attention as obama.

but unlike the new american president, this guy had been ruling his country for 40 infamous years. >> his excellency, more market duffy, leader of the revolution, president of the african revolution, king of kings of africa. >> gaddafi raged on for 95 minutes and eight seconds, a diatribe against the wind from a jumble of handwritten notes, waving a copy of the un charter and then pretending to wrap it up. >> it should not be called the security council. it should be called the terror council. >> muammar gaddafi made no mention of the pan am bombing over locker b, or [inaudible] president kennedy. >> we want to know who killed him. somebody by the name of lee harvey. and then another, jack route ruby, killed harvey. why did he kill him? >> [inaudible] the un and the white house. >> i would try to wouldn't try

to -- better part of the afternoon. >> the speech from the libyan dictator muammar gaddafi was weird. weird, weird. he called for the un headquarters to be relocated to libya so that he could avoid jet lag. but remarkably, this was not even the weirdest part of the visit of muammar gaddafi to the united states. the weirdest part was gaddafi's -- our to find -- gaddafi like to travel with a traditional bedouin tent, which he set up wherever he was. going we are not talking about small camping tent here. this is a big structure, where he could hang out with his entourage, and host dignitaries. of course, it also had to have room for his all female security detail, which traveled with him everywhere he went. but when he came to new york in 2009 for this un meeting, nobody was interested in letting him camp out on their property. first, he tried to get a permit to pitches tenth in central

park. new york officials nixed that idea. then he tried a spot across the river in new jersey. but for some reason, no one there wanted a dictator and admitted terrorist camping next door. so it began to look like muammar gaddafi was out of luck for his tenth. but ultimately, he found one new yorker who was happy to host him. one new yorker who looked at muammar gaddafi and saw not an international pariah but a business opportunity. and i'm going to give you one guess as to which new yorker i am talking about. >> the wealthy suburb of bedford, new york, north of here, is the home of richard gere, martha stewart and perhaps, by tomorrow, muammar gaddafi of libya. donald trump's organization says it is looking into published reports that muammar gaddafi has literally put down stakes at trump's estate for this un visit, and that he's trying to pitch is tenth, including the requisite satellite dishes, on the estate, which is known as seven springs. late today, a local newspaper

in bedford reported the town has issued a stop work order because nobody had gotten a permit for the muammar gaddafi tenth. >> i love that the trump organization said it was looking into reports that muammar gaddafi had pitched his tent on trump property, as if he had just randomly shown up on trump's lawn was a total surprise to everyone. the town made them take the tent down and donald trump made this big show of how he was shocked -- shocked -- to find the libyan dictator on his property. but of course, trump himself had made the deal to let him stay there. and in true donald trump fashion, later on he couldn't stop himself from bragging about how much money he made on the deal. >> and the only one. i made a lot of money with gaddafi, if you remember. he came to the country and had to make a deal with me because you need a place to say, made, fortune -- >> the president didn't make nearly as much money as he hoped to make, however.

-- but as we reported -- property because why else he? wanted to get the libyan dictator to invest some of his oil billions in trump properties. long before he was president, donald trump had an affinity for foreign dictators. but once he became president, he got the opportunity to meet so many more of them. vladimir putin, of course, who trump had been dying to meet four years. trump also travel to the philippines to meet their terrifying autocrat, best known for telling his police to shoot a drug suspects onsite, resulting in thousands of deaths. in a speech in washington, just last month, trump appointed to the philippines bloody, lawless drug war as a model for the united states. but maybe trump's favorite autocrat was this man, viktor orban of hungry. because here was a guy who is demonstrating in realtime how to use the power of the state to undermine democracy and cement his hold on power. over his 12 years as prime

minister, viktor orban has attacked hungary's independent judiciary, taken over most of the country's media, criminalized civil society groups, prevented his political opposition from campaigning and inactive emergency powers that let him rule by decree. by the time he ran for reelection, for the third time, a couple of months ago, his victory was a foregone conclusion. he has based his movement on an appeal to an explicitly white, christian heritage for hungary. just last week, orban delivered a speech in which he condemned, quote, race mixing, saying that european people should not mix with non europeans. and he doesn't want hungary to become mix raced. even one of his longest serving advisors could not some of that speech. she resigned, calling it, quote a pure nazi speech. and after all of that, as viktor orban headed to the united states for a visit to this week, can you guess what his very first stop was? a visit to donald trump's golf

club. because when you are an autocratic leader being shunned by everyone in the western world, and you are fresh off a speech that even your close adviser calls pure nazi, never fear. the fine properties of the trump organization are always open to you. and donald trump himself will be there to welcome you with open arms. except, this time, it's not just donald trump. viktor orban stopped off at trump's club because he was on his way to texas to address the conservative political action conference, cpac. the premier annual gathering of american conservatives, or at least that's what it used to be. >> no race mixing pure nazi speech. cpac chair was spotted, quote, let's listen to the man -- let see what he says. >> apparently forgetting that everyone already did listen to -- and it see what he said, which is the entire problem.

and so today the american -- welcome viktor orban to their conference rban to thei conference why did they love what they heard. >> these are the first one in europe said no to illegal migration, and stop the invasion of the illegal migrants. hungarians state institution are obliged to protect the christian culture of hungry. hungary shall protect institution of marriage, as the union of one man and one woman. family ties have to be based on marriage, or the relationship between parents and children. to sum up, the mother is a woman. the father is a man. and leave our kids alone, full

stop, and of discussion! [applause] >> my government is devoted to law and order without compromise. we decided -- we decided we don't need more genders we need more rangers. less queens and more chuck norris. >> boy, the autocratic prime minister of hungary's show knows his audience, christian heritage, no foreigners, more police, no game marriage, no transgender rights. apparently, no dry queens. and while they're at it, lets democracy. because if you want a white christian nationalist government and society, representative democracy and pluralism, they don't really mix well with that. orban told the cpac conference today that he and american

conservatives to join forces, but that's already happening. fox news's tucker carlson is orban's biggest cheerleader in the u.s.. he took a shot to hungary last year. orban returned the favor, quoting carlson in his speech today. cpac itself held a conference in hungary just a few months ago. this is the guy american conservatives are looking to for inspiration. and it is showing up, not just conservative conferences, but in election results. lots of donald trump supported election deniers one this week 's republican primaries. candidates who pledged to mess with america's election infrastructure until they get the results they want. republican nominee for governor of pennsylvania is a textbook christian nationalist, the moldova orban. the guy who won the republican nomination for u.s. senate in arizona a couple of days ago, almost entirely funded by a billionaire who says he no longer believes and democracy. not too long ago, if a dictator visit to united states, nobody, other than donald trump, wanted

anything to do with him. but the republican party is trump's party now, in the right kind of dictator can come here and get a standing ovation. joining me now is npr media correspondent, david, who put attended the cpac conference in dallas today. david, good to see you. it sounded like a rowdy, phone conference in which the speakers, and he's just one of them, viktor orban, knew what the audience wanted, and through them that read me. >> that's the point of the conference. this is what they like to pick up, the republican wing -- excuse, me that conservative wing, america's conservative party. it is really sort of at times, the far-right reaches up with success acceptable in republican party politics. among the speakers will be texas senator ted cruz. fox news is sean hannity, i believe at this very hour. and jack disobeyed, a peddler conspiracist, the one was gold

pizza man, shot in a pizza parlor in washington, d.c.. you know, this is a place where a lot of heat is fostered around a lot of hot spot nations, where it was the president someone with a consent with how many hot button issues. viktor orban has said, prime minister of this small central european country can set off what is very conservative american audience. >> what is it about him? what is it about the hunger hungarian leader that makes it such a favorite in particular with the fox news and the cpac crowd? >> well, i think one thing is his success, you know, just wanting his fourth straight election to be prime minister a basket that country. an election of the freedom house and independent operation that sort of monitors civil rights, civil royalty liberties elections. called a free but not fair setup for elections. i think also the fact that he's able to explicitly invoke the

notion of europeans needing to both protect and reject christian values. but also, the idea, as you said last week, races should not mix. he's able to say things that certain elements of republicans and conservative bots nowadays that chauvin but don't want to say as explicitly. and there he is, saying it out loud. i'm not saying that's true for all republicans or all conservatives, but there's an element that is happy to hear it in the age where locusts, and cancel culture, and blm are these touchstones for publicans on the right. and all of which, by the way, he talks about in his speech earlier today. i also think that the fact that you saw him talk about migration in this country, you know, borders are a rallying cry for the right in a way that is some ways right now abortion rights. so, a rallying cry for the left in this country, for much of the center as well. and that's something which orban was able to find support in this country, even as he was

doing everything to do these trump like things, intimidate, to buy off, to grind down, or to smother independent voices and outside outfits like the price, like universities, like nongovernmental outputs that moderate human rights. >> and the idea that immigration, the attack on immigration, one place as you mentioned. you're right in your piece that, viktor orban, sort of, overlaps with the american right. but there are issues in which, hungary and orban diverge with the american right as well, did you talk about. >> yeah, and doing reporting, talking to hungarian journalists and others, you know, you found that abortion is legal there. it is restricted some, after i believe, 12, 15 weeks. but it's legal up to 24 weeks under certain conditions. they have universal health care. bait for and arranged for by the government. in addition to that, it is strongly, severely regulated. these are not stances that

people at what's called cpac, this event, will embrace in any way, shape, or form. however, that is not the point. the point is you have tone somebody, going to stand up what he calls, the global ruling classes, lumping together people in the media and academia, and independent outfits, as we've said before, people like the liberal, hungarian born, jewish philanthropist, george soros, who is a bogeyman for orban, just as he is for so many on pox, and someone in the american right. you know, it's a mix of things. he's willing to take them on a pledge equally. one of the things they said is their christian politician, a question political leader can never be racist because of his values, because of his question values. he said they will always keep us from going to far. you know, it's sort of a crazy defense in some ways, off the -- against the condemnation that you received, the kinds of statements you touched on

earlier, the idea that races shouldn't mitch is hungry, it's not racist, because he can be racist, because his christian value. >> it's quite something, but as you mentioned, it keeps getting reelected. npr media correspondent david folkenflik, thank you so much for joining us. we always appreciate having you on. >> you bet. >> bringing to the conversation ruth ben-ghiat. she's a professor at new york university, and the author strongman, with a leaning to the president. she's an expert on authoritarian leaders, like viktor orban. and people have gone after you a lot in the last several months, because you and i have talked about it. you've spoken a lot about viktor orban and how on the step he is, in fact, with his nato neighbors and europe. but he continues to gain popularity. i should point out, which i think he'll do anyway, he wins elections, but every election is a little bit less free than the last one. >> yes, that is right. and the reason he's the idol of the gop as he has shown the workings of what's called electoral autocracy. and he calls, you know, he

talks about hungary being an admirable democracy. there's nothing democratic about it at this point, where he's managed to have this, you know, capture the institutions and his party as a huge amount of power, so that the elections are kind of rigged. and in fact, the last election of his opponent hasn't been invited on national tv since 2019. so, there is the veneer, freedom but the practice, it's despotic. and that's what the republicans are very interested in. >> this is a point you have made, that always stands out to me. that we have an association here with the idea that if a vote exists, and there are elections, then there must be democracy, and hence, freedom. and you point out that, increasingly, in a world that is marching toward more authoritarianism, there's still votes. they're still elections. there's lots of countries in the world that have elections, that are neither free or fair. >> that's right.

and so, actually, the metric that you need to use for democracy versus, you know, autocracy today is not really elections, but transparency and accountability. and that's in short supply in hungary, because, you know it's very difficult to be equivocal voice. when he has these, you know, he has these international conferences, and he allows some dissidents to be there, which is typical. but it's very difficult to have, as we saw in the last election, he just keeps winning over and over again. and now, what he's doing is, you know, trying to be the kind of mentor, the strongman, who's gonna have, you know, lead the aligns of the far-right international, because putin -- he's trying to go into a place where putin is a toxic now, people fall out of windows, he's got in this war, so orban becomes the acceptable tyrant. >> and he wrote today that in fact, urban's appearance of cpac is the outcomes of the

words you used, of a carefully cultivated relationship. that is particularly in this moment. who is cultivating this relationship? >> well, you know, hungary is a small country. but what's better things then to have tucker carlson gave his, give a whole week of his show over to you, and make you a showpiece. so, it's like a very good synergy that they have going. and so, you know, they are helping one another. they're giving each other legitimacy. when that's very important to herb on, so in fact, in the end, he said, we need to make agreements with the chinese, the russians and the americans. but it might be easier you know with republicans. now, we didn't mention trump. which is typically autocratic, because they're very opportunistic and transactional. he didn't mention trump at all at cpac, and he will make a deal with whoever he needs to

keep that relationship going. it might be trump. it might not. >> ruth, as always, thank you for your time tonight. ruth ben-ghiat, professor of history at the new york university. she's an expert on authoritarianism. we always appreciate your time. >> up next, the issue that has republicans panicked about the midterms. stay with us. stay with us plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+. [sfx: stomach gurgling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief... when you need it most. >> a few take to have dixon out

of her work, when it comes to outlying abortion, she's still thus exactly who she is. >> are you for the champs exceptions for rape and incest? >> i'm not. >> exceptions for rape incest. what about health of the mother? >> no exceptions tudor dixon, that's not acceptable for michigan. >> he has made his idea on abortion easy to understand. i >> think we can further -- >> you make it illegal, and you punish a doctor. >> blake masters, too dangerous for arizona. >> those are two new ads, out today, targeting arizona republican senate candidate blake masters, and michigan republican gubernatorial candidate tudor dixon. those two republican candidates only won their party nominations on tuesday, but they're already facing ads like that, giving voters a sample of the candidates extreme positions on abortions, on abortion in their own words. and they may have something to do with the other election that happened on tuesday night. when voters in the state of

kansas, the state the donald trump won by nearly 15 points in 2020, overwhelmingly rejected republican proposal that would remove protections for abortion rights in that state. republicans spent the last two days struggling to explain the results of that kansas election. kansas republican senator, roger marshall, told politico today, it was quite a gut punch. yes, i'm shocked, absolutely shocked. that's not what i was expecting, not what i was told the polling showed, and i thought it was gonna be a tight race. i don't have an explanation. senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, was also at a loss for an explanation, when he was asked about kansas on fox news. >> i don't think we really know until the end of the year, what kind of an impact putting this issue back into the hands of those officers elected, as opposed to nine unelected judges will have on the country. we are in the process of finding that out. >> do you think kansas tells

you something about that? >> it tells us. there's a lot of people interested in the issue in kansas. there's no question about that. >> as republican leaders struggled to deal with the electoral consequences of the supreme court's decision on roe v. wade, some republican officials are moving full steam ahead toward an even more radical antiabortion agenda. today, florida governor ron descendants announced his decision to suspend a county prosecutor in tampa, who had promised not to prosecute those, who quote, seek, provide, or support abortions, and quote. that prosecutor has just been reelected by voters in 2020, but one desantis decided to overrule those voters. with the midterm elections less than 100 days away, it's clear that the supreme court's decision to end roe v. wade still looms large. and republicans aren't sure how to deal with it. so, what do we expect in the next couple of months? joining us now is senior correspondent at new york magazine, who covers us very closely. good to see you again.

democrats, wasting no time as we show in those at, trying to make the republican opponents records on abortion part of this election. are those ads, like the ones we just played, are they going to have an impact on how people choose to vote? >> well, ali, i think the most important thing is that the victory in kansas belongs to the organizers on the ground who spoke to people, met people where they were, and turned people out. so, yes, abortion is broadly popular, even in a state like kansas, they did not want to see a total ban. and in states like arizona and michigan which are purple states, you look at the numbers there, people don't want to say these total bans either. so, i think is a question of advocating people. people are paying attention because the supreme court did the unthinkable, and it allowed the words to be said, roe v. wade has been overturned. now, john roberts wanted the supreme court to take the more incremental step. it had -- mitch mcconnell said that there were nine unelected justices,

as if they're implementing the policy agenda that he has declined, to put on the floor when he control the senate. he has been pretty happy with denying unelected judges, when they, for example, start their campaign finance, voting rights, but okay. the supreme court has made this real. i think that's the biggest difference. people are used to seeing ads that tell them, this or that is gonna happen, if this person gets elected. but one people in kansas realize, and what people across the country are gonna realize, because the supreme court ripped the rug out from under these constitutional protections, this is not a theoretical question. people in missouri are being denied plan b rape survivors. miscarriage care, all over the country, is being compromised. republicans are defending ten year old rape victims being forced to carry to term. so, we can no longer say, okay, if you elect this republican, maybe somewhere down the road, abortion will be chipped away. it's a reality. it's a reality in states all around kansas.

it's a reality in states all around michigan and arizona as well. so, knowing that this is what indeed is being fought in these very same states, i think that is gonna have voters for painful, if democrats stay on this issue, and if they turn people out. >> the new york times did an analysis, using the kansas results to protect how the rest of the country would have voted on civil referendum. and they found that voters would support abortion rights in all but seven states. i don't know if you've had a chance to dig into this. but what do you make of that analysis? obviously, every state is a little different, because kansas, starting from the position in which it had abortion protections in its state constitution. wisconsin doesn't have that. michigan is trying to get it on as a ballot question. so, everybody is in a different position. but what do you make of this sort of analysis? >> i think we've known for a long time that public opinion on abortion is broadly in favor of access. people do not want to see abortion banned. there have been ways in which republicans have tried to turn it into law station issues, and

they are also, by the way, times in which antiabortion activists have succeeded in their ballot initiatives, and states like alabama, west virginia, tennessee. but they did so really under the radar. it may be, you know, in states like louisiana, which i believe is highlighted in the new york times graph. i think, those were low turnout election, similar to the one that was expected in kansas, and isn't what happened. they were ones in which, perhaps, democrats didn't pay, didn't mobilize people on abortion. so, now, with folks paying attention, and with people being emboldened by what the folks in kansas managed to pull off, i think that we're talking about that we've always known that this is what the polling stands. we haven't known people turned out, whether they will actually -- and it remains to be seen, whether they're voting on a candidate, whether that will be different from voting specifically on an issue to take something away that is a status quo. >> there's a lot of elements to

what happened in kansas, but are specific to kansas. but it's surprised a lot of people on both sides of the issue this week. irin, good to see you again. thanks for joining us. irin carmon, senior correspondent at new york magazine. i wanna bring you a major and sadly unexpected update on a story that we've been following closely. today, or russian court sentenced the american citizen britney griner to nine years in prison, after something of a show trial with the pre-determined outcome. the basketball star has been detained in russia since february, about a week before russia invaded ukraine. when it vape cartridges containing cannabis oil was found in her luggage. now, griner's hopes turns to national diplomacy. president biden released a statement today, condemning russia's harsh sentence for griner, and reiterating his call for her release. and that of another detainee, paul whelan. u.s. official tells nbc news that russia has not responded substantively to quote, serious offer that the u.s. meet in june for a prisoner swap, for

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is the absolutely unbelievable email exchange in which the legal team for the far-right media personality alex jones accidentally sent the opposing legal team a 2.3 gigabyte digital copy of alex jones's

cell phone contents. texts, emails, everything. this is the opposing legal team's lawyer, by email, to alex jones's lawyer. quote, i forwarded this email to my paralegal to download this production. he asked me to take a look because of the huge amount of material he was downloading. and he wanted me to verify that they needed to download all of it. i look through the director's and they seem to contain a lot of confidential information. my assumption is now that you did not intend to send us this. to which, alex jones's lawyer replies, thank you. there appears to have been a mistake in the final transfer. please disregard the link. now unfortunately, for alex jones, just saying please disregard the link does not only not weight legally and jones's lawyers apparently didn't do any of the lawyer-y things they need to do to meaningfully restrict the cell phone content that had been inadvertently forwarded to the

other side. and now not only does the opposing legal team in this case have the contents of jones's cell phone, but the january 6th investigation has now requested contents from them as well. and it looks like jones is opposition's lawyers will be complying with that request. >> [inaudible] i certainly intend to do that unless you tell me not to. i don't see how a protective order could be applied in a [inaudible] way from doing that. i think [inaudible] drop the ball completely. >> turn it over to authorities? turn it over to [inaudible] who are you turning it over to? >> i've been asked by the january 6th committee -- >> i mean, i don't know that you get to stop that anyway. >> if they subpoenaed them it certainly would be a very different story. >> they are going to now. they know about them. they know they exist. they know you have them. i think they are going there either way. >> now what's most amazing to me about all of this is not just the hoops, wrong attachment, moment.

what's most amazing to me is that this case isn't about january 6th. it's about sandy hook. for nearly a decade, alex jones had been pushing a dangerous conspiracy theory that claims that the sandy hook massacre in 2012 was a hoax. i was on the scene hours after it happened in newtown, connecticut, on december 14th, 2012. within hours of the massacre, long before many parents knew they had lost their kids, 26 people died. 20 of them were first graders. all of them were real, with real families who suffered first from that tragedy and then later from the psychological torment and literal harassment produced by the conspiracy theory that alex jones was pushing. today the jury in this case decided that jones owes two of those sandy hook parents for point $1 million four point $1 million for his actions, and that is all for the trial, from

two parents. -- his role in pushing the sandy hook conspiracy theory, which could ultimately cost him a ton of money. but it is like a cause majestic bone is that because of jones's lawyers mistake, this case could also be happening handing january 6th investigators evidence that could be used in that investigation. it is important to remember that the january 6th committee try to speak with mr. jones back in january. he claims to have pleaded the fifth amendment nearly 100 times. and there's a lot alex jonas could have said in that interview that maybe his texts can now say for him. , take, for example, the story we learned from white house aide cassidy hutchinson, about president trump demanding that once he finished his speech on january 6th, he wanted to be taken to the capitol to march with his supporters. how trump allegedly, physically fought with a secret service agent to try to get taken there. we didn't know that until the january 6th hearings last

month. but check out this video of alex jones at the capitol on january 6th after trump ended his speech, telling his supporters to march on the capitol. >> [inaudible] i watch stones! >> [inaudible] so luke, you tell everyone you know, [inaudible] other side of the capitol, that's where [inaudible] . >> here is jones the day after the riot on january 7th on his show explaining how it is that he came to know where trump was supposedly going to be. >> the white house told me three days before, we are going to have you lead the march. the secret service, before trump, then, just 30 minutes before. we will add you to a point, take you to the front row and lead you to the place where they want you to start the march. and trump will tell people, go on to meet at the capitol. >> we have no clue what's actually in the trove of text

and emails that the january 6th committee is now very likely about to receive. but texts cannot plead the fifth. there is lots to unpack here. joining us now is paul butler, professor at georgetown law school, former federal prosecutor. paul, thank you for being with us tonight. i want to start with a very basic legal question about the damages case against alex jones, to go back to the sandy hook story here. the first phase wrapped up today. in this $4.1 million dollar judgment against jones for sandy hook victims parents. what happens next? there is a punitive stage to that. is that a different trial or is that a different decision by the jury? >> so, ali, the first phase is about compensatory damages, or actual damages, how much money jones is getting -- things like medical bills, moving expenses, security costs. this next phase is about punitive damages. that is about sending a strong

message that alex jones probably won't understand. but to other people who are out there, spreading conspiracy theories, that they know are lies and ruin the lives of minutes and people, the [inaudible] punitive damage award might that them know, actions have consequences. intentional, malicious lies can cost you all your money, and you [inaudible] might even get locked up. >> what's the lie here? because alex jansen, for a very long time here, said he was protected by the first amendment and saying what he said. lying is not against the law. what is the part that hold him responsible for this? >> and if he had bothered to comply with the four other corpus cds, and turn over documents, he might have had his chance to have his first amendment claims litigated. but he didn't turn over the documents and now sandy hook families have exposed jones as a serial lie or. as you mentioned, the defense

attorney had to [inaudible] approval in terms of all those text messages. and ali, alex jones wisdom enough to complain about the judge and jury at the same time that they were deciding the case. he called the jurors extremely blue color and said they didn't know what planet that they were living on. the judge allowed the jury to hear that and [inaudible] that money that he earned -- punitive damages, jones might actually be bankrupt. >> when a story, paula, thank, you good to see you, as always. paul butler is a professor at georgetown law school and former federal prosecutor. we are just getting news that senator sinema has finally broken her silence, putting democrats one major step closer to getting their big spending bill, which contain significant money to fight global warming through the senate. that breaking news is next. is next

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news i was just telling you about, the last holdout on the senate democrats plan to pass a version of president biden's agenda dealing with health care, climate and taxes is now on board. senator sinema of arizona announced tonight she will support the legislation. there is a condition -- the removal of the carried interest tax provision from the bill. that provision would close the loophole that allows private equity and fund managers to pay a reduced tax rate on their share of profits from investments. in a statement, senator sinema said, quote, we have agreed to remove the carried interest tax provision subject to the parliamentarians review all move forward. this remove speculations about whether she would support the bill in what appeared to be a lobbying effort from senator joe manchin, the senate camera chamber captured them today. meanwhile, the senate already started moving ahead in case the bill already gets the all clear from the senate parliamentarian. earlier today, senate leader chuck schumer said that the

senate will take tomorrow off but will reconvene on saturday mueller here have the first procedural vote on -- the bill. if it were sees only a simple majority, it cannot beef is filibustered and will start up to 20 hours of debate that will be divided between each party. once debate is over, they will move on to a so-called vote-a-rama. a bunch of amendment votes that will conclude with a final vote that to pass the package and, who knows one that would be. maybe we will be together for it. >> it's a step in the right direction. watch this space. that does it for us tonight, see you again tomorrow. time now for the last word with zerlina maxwell who is in for lawrence. thanks, zerlina. >> thanks, ali. >> >> -- olympic gold medalist and pro basketball player brittney griner. and today, after being detained for 168 days in russia, the wnba star was sentenced to nine years in