with. but to work, to survive, it was something that i had to learn, to then learn to be whatever black was. >> yes, jena. watch "the culture is latina" sunday 10:00 p.m. eastern, 7:00 p.m. pacific on msnbc and streaming on peacock. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. i'll see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. >> good friday morning. i'm andrea mitchell in washington, kicking off a special two-hour edition of "andrea mitchell reports." we start with big economic news, with even bigger implications for this white house. more than half a million jobs added in july outpacing expectations and defying signs that the economic recovery from the pandemic is losing steam.

at the same time, it shows the labor market is not slowing, despite all the efforts by the federal reserve to cool down the economy, so they going to be raising rates again, for sure, maybe even higher. in a moment, i'll speak with a member of the white house economic counsel of advisers what it means for your wallet. also this morning, to secure the release the brittney griner, sentenced to nine years in a russian prison. last night, a striking moment pausing before tip-off and the crowd shouting for her to come home. >> now russia's foreign ministry says they're ready to discuss a prisoner swap. reverend al sharpton who is working with griner's family is going to be joining me. and new fallout from speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan after china held its biggest-ever military drills in the taiwan

strait. this morning, china now halting military and climate talks with the u.s., and sanctioning speaker pelosi. the white house summoning the chinese ambassador to the white house to chew him out over the move. while on capitol hill, democrats have secured senator sinema's support for their party line tax, health care, and climate bill. the remaining hurdles, straight ahead. but let's start beginning with the massive jobs report from july, the u.s. economy adding 528,000 jobs with the unemployment rate ticking down to 3.5% last month. far surpassing expectations. and showing that the labor market is not slowing down, despite rate hikes from the federal reserve. all of this critical as the u.s. battles the highest inflation in 40 years. joining us now, jared bernstein. overall, jared, this is a good news day. this is twice as many jobs as analysts had anticipated for july, likely not what the white

house anticipated for the job report before you got the numbers late last night. also, last time we spoke, you said the u.s. was transitioning to a more study and stable pace of economic growth. what's your reaction to all of this? and i'm going to ask you of course about senator sinema, climbing onboard and you about to have a major breakthrough on a big economic plan. >> well, thank you, andrea, look, anytime we have a month where the american people have over half a million new jobs for them to choose from, that's a great month for the country and for the job market. we now have an unemployment rate at 3.5%. that is tied for the lowest in 53 years. we have now, and i'm not sure this has been fully reported, we have now clawed back all of the jobs that were lost from payrolls, due to the pandemic-induced recession. now, what does this mean? it means that we're facing one of the most welcoming job markets in our history, and from

our perspective, but more importantly, from the perspective of working americans, that's an extremely important backdrop to a period of highly evaluated, unacceptably high inflation. >> so, so this is a huge number in terms of private sector jobs, where, as you point out, pre-pandemic levels. what kind of response do you anticipate from the federal reserve? are they going to have to raise interest rates even higher than expected, because they're not at that balancing act? they have not slowed the, you know, the economy. and there are going to be concerns, market concerns, as well. >> okay, sure. first of all, let me just clarify, i think last month, we were talking about having regained all the private sector jobs that were lost. now we're talking about the full spate of jobs throughout all the economy sectors, if you add them all together, payrolls are back

to slightly above where they were pre-pandemic. by the way, some of those sectors are really turning in stellar gains. and one of the most important is from the president's perspective, is manufacturing. the recovery in manufacturing employment is the strongest the sector has seen since 1953. that's beforei was born. so that's how far back that goes. as far as the federal reserve, look, you know probably better than most, that we don't comment on federal reserve policy. we respect their independence. from our perspective, the backdrop of a strong labor market, which provides consumers with the resources they need to keep consumer spending going is really important for the underlying strength of the recovery. remember, consumer spending is almost 70% of this economy, and most people get their paychecks through the job market, of course. so, that's why we think that this is consistent with the transition to steady and stabler

growth. >> so, let me ask you then, also, about this package. major improvements on trying to combat climate. you're giving up, though, closing the loophole on carried interest. it seems like once again, big money interest, the hedge fund guys have won out. and no administration has been able to close that loophole. it doesn't improve the tax code in terms of fairness, but according to all reports, you're going to get a good score, that this is going to actually reduce the deficit, so you think you can survive the scrub and move the package forward this weekend? >> yeah, i would say we're really optimistic about this package. there are other people who have been talked to about the nooks and crannies of the legislative push from an economic policy perspective, fairness has always been one of the key aspects that this president brings to the table, when he's thinking about tax policy. now, there are other things in

this bill, one of the most important, which remains in the proposal, is to give the irs the resources they need to close the tax gap. that's the difference between what people owe to the irs and what they pay. assist particularly pronounced problem at the very high end, people with a bevy of tax lawyers will find ways to evade. defunding the irs has been a shadow tax cut strategy of many people who oppose tax fairness. that's something the president is striking out against very strongly here with the inflation reduction act. yes, $300 billion in deficit reduction really important, not just for our fiscal accounts, but also, that's a disinflationary part of the plan. that helps on inflation. in terms of fairness, yes, we've got to keep pushing for fairness in the closing the carried interest loophole, but now there's talk of a buyback tax of 1%, and that's also a fairness issue. so we will continue to push on tax fairness and the plan is

still very robust in that regard. >> well, overall, a really good day. thanks for the clarification on the pre-pandemic levels. jared bernstein, a good day for the white house on a lot of levels. thanks. >> thanks very much, andrea. and a big win for senate democrats, as we've been saying. their party's tax, climate, and health care bill, senator kyrsten sinema of arizona, the last vote they needed on the democratic side, signing off after negotiating those key things, sealing a big win they can deliver to the voter on the campaign trail if it hold in the next couple of days. joining us now from capitol hill is ali vitali, who has been following every twist and turn and now knows that she's going to have to work on saturday for a rare saturday session. and i guess they're going to be working all weekend as they rye to finish this up. senator schumer's got a really tough schedule. >> yeah. a really tough schedule. we have got our coffee here on capitol hill. and everyone's ready to go for the weekend, because, look, for

democrats, andrea, they've wanted to get this done before they go back home for august recess because it's such a moment for them to be able to show what happens for voters when democrats are in charge of both chambers of congress and the white house, but also what they will do when actually leveraging the levers of government, because they have that control. what this bill also does, because you laid out the finer points of it, it is on health care because of prescription drug pricing, also combatting climate change, but also deficit reduction and combatting inflation. all of those are key pieces in this bill that democrats very much would like to take back to voters, both to show what they've done politically, but also to blunt those attacks from republicans who want to make this a referendum on the economy and a referendum on joe biden and the white house. in terms of sinema's imprint on this, she ended up negotiating that the carried interest loophole be taken out of that bill.

that loophole will not be closed, something that benefits hedge fund managers and top earners. that's something that she says that she'll revisit later in bipartisan fashion with senator mark warner and others. but she also was able to put in funding for drought relief programs, a big priority for western senators, as well as also putting in a new excise tax on stock buybacks, and interestingly, when you talk about how much money is going to be reduced from the deficit in this, that new excise tax actually generates more revenue and allows them to say that even though they're taking out the carried interest piece, they are still reducing the deficit by $300 billion. so it's now got sinema's stamp of approval, as well as her stamp on the policy piece of it. and we head into the long procedural weekend now as they try to actually pass it, andrea. >> ali vitali, thank you so much. you're going to need your running shoes as well as the coffee over these coming days. and the party divide. former republican vice president dick cheney openly rebuking

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new campaign add featuring her father in the starring role. >> there has never been an individual who was a greater threat to our republican than donald trump. he is a coward, a real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. he lost his election and he lost big. i know it, he knows it, and deep down, i think most republicans know it. >> joining me now is brandon buck, former chief communications adviser to house speaker paul ryan, and former press secretary to speaker john boehner, and ashley parker, senior national political correspondent for "the washington post." brandon, how significant is it to see the former republican vice president, dick cheney, putting the party's current standard-bearer, the leader of the party, on blast like that? >> well, certainly eye opening. i don't think this was an ad you run if you think you're going to win. i think this was an effort to run through the tape here, running a campaign with dignity and trying to be a voice of

moral clarity. look, liz cheney may likely lose her race in a couple of weeks. but that is probably not the end of liz cheney's political clear. and if she only serves for three terms, you know, she's had a bigger impact than 99% -- 99.9% of members who ever serve in that body. and i think what liz cheney is signaling here is that she may be going down now. donald trump may win this round, but the battle is not over and she's going to continue to be on the playing field, serving as a moral clarity voice for the republican party in a time when we really need it. i tip my hat to her. i think she has known every step of the way over the last couple of years that what she's doing is potentially risking her seat, and you so rarely almost never see a politician risk their own political fortunes for doing what's right. i tip my cap to her. i think this is really remarkable, and i'm proud of her. >> let me just say, you know,

just to follow up, she's made at least one trip to new hampshire that i'm aware of. and you could really see her, brendon, emerging as a 2024 candidate, because she has such a large presence. because the january 6th committee still has its report to do. there will be after-action reports and a lot of follow-up. and you know, even out of congress, she's going to be a major figure who is consistently conservative, true conservative on the cultural issues that matter and the economic issues that matter to republicans. but on the moral issues, she's at the center of really a patriotic core of republicanism. >> yeah, and i think the dick cheney ad is a reminder of that. who is more conservative than dick cheney? we have this perception that being against donald trump is somehow a moderate position. liz cheney is as conservative as they come. and i think she can be a voice for reminding people what

conservatives used to stand for. basic principles and basic, you know, moral standing. so i think that she is probably going to at least consider running for president in the future. i don't think southeast going to win. i think she would very much be a protest candidate. but i think we've seen over the last five years that donald trump is not going to defeat himself with republican voters. we kind of dance around him. he's going to squash everybody. and we need more people willing to go right at him. and here we have one, and i'm really glad to see it. >> ashley parker, let's talk about this and the divisions in the republican party, nationally. i want to play some sound from the cpac attendees, talking about their choices for 2024. >> trump all the way. you know, i don't think anybody can pull it away like he can. >> not desantos, not pence, not -- >> definitely not pence. >> i don't think desantos would be stupid enough to challenge

trump if trump wants to win. so you are all? >> i am all in for president trump. >> when you look at cpac and how that has changed, it used to be, you know, conservative liz cheney/dick cheney kind of place, and now mike pence isn't even attending and isn't conservative enough for them, because it's become the trump party. >> that's right. cpac was a place where you could get the two-day, three-day glimpse of where the base of the republican party was. and sort of the hard right wing would always be there, but that hard right wing in years past was often, you know, showing up to see what mike huckabee had to say, what rick santorum had to say. and when you look at it now, some of the conspiracy theorists who they are inviting to speak there. when you look at someone like victor orban giving a keynote there, it just shows you the ways in which the republican

party has shifted away, from what brendon was saying, someone like liz cheney who is a deep, deep conservative republican member to sort of far-right fringe, in some cases like victor orban, white national elements. >> and i want to talk to you about election deniers. brendon, kari lake now -- she's been an election denier from the beginning of this party, who she won her party's nomination is an election, the same kind of election process, "the new york times" pointing out this week that in arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, nevada, all republican nominees for secretary of state or governors or those who would appoint them, the secretaries of state, the election officials, all declaring that they would not have certified the 2020 election. what are we facing in 2024? what's your level of ksh about millions of american voters potentially being

disenfranchised by these people in charge of key states? >> that's always been the scary concept to me. i've been much less concerned about the voting laws in georgia and texas, i think way too much was made out of that. what is really concerning is the people who are actually in charge of certifying elections, not being willing to go by the facts. it hasn't been across the board. down in georgia, i think we had a great result with brad raffensperger, the secretary of state there winning. but there are a handful of people, particularly in arizona, mark finch hamm, who is particularly going to win, in power over elections. that's really scary stuff. now, these people have won their primaries. they may not win their general elections, though. and i think that we have to see how that plays out. candidates matter. and some of these states, like arizona, are not necessarily slam dunks for republicans. the retirement environment is good, but now it's really important for arizona voters to wake up and see what they may potentially be facing. so you clearly don't pay a price

in republican primaries, for denying the election. but general elections may be a different story. >> and the other really ugly undercurrent, though, is victor orban. he's a white nationalist. and you also had mastriano with tb gubernatorial republican nominee in pennsylvania, until he was called out on it, largely by rachel maddow and other people, until he was called out about the philadelphia enquirer, leading the way, he was connected to the most toxic website, ashley, anti-semitic website. >> well, again, the republican party under trump has shifted. and it's not that every republican is a white nationalist, but there is this element that, you know, previously, the most it would sort of be dog whistles. and there would be criticism and it would get shut down.

and then former president trump, we don't have time to list all the things, but just, you know, in charlottesville, saying that both sides were to blame. or later, when asked to condemn the proud boys, saying, stand back and stand by, gave a permission structure of this ideology to pervade his party, of which he's still the ladder. >> brandon buck and ashley parker, just beginning to scratch the service. to be continued. thank you both so much. and bring brittney home. the growing pressure on the biden administration to free the jailed wnba star after russia says it's finally ready to talk about a potential swap. reverend al sharpton joining us next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. watching "andreal reports. this is msnbc. thout a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. when tired, achy feet make your whole body want to stop,

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week to taiwan. this as the white house has summoned the chinese ambassador to condemn beijing's actions and threats against taiwan, calling him into the white house earlier today. joining me now is nbc white house correspondent, mike memoli. this is a very big deal. mike? >> that's right, andrea. this relationship between the u.s. and china has always been one of great sensitivity and great fragility. but never at such a high point in terms of tensions, as you lay out, at the moment. the white house officials are saying that they have been reiterating in contacts at all levels of government that the u.s. policy has not changed. that they still abide by the one-china policy, but they also will follow the terms of the u.s./taiwan relations act, as well. but given what they see as china's provocative actions of late in reaction to speaker pelosi's visit, they have filed a formal diplomatic protest.

now, it's also worth noting the continued sort of, i think, calibration by the white house of their response. you saw john kirby from the national security council at the podium yesterday, saying that the u.s. will act as a responsible nuclear power. as an example, he said, the u.s. will postpone, only for perhaps a short time, a planned icbm test that the u.s. had planned for the near future, to show that they do not want to further escalate the situation, but that they would like to see the same kind of reciprocal walkback, as well. now, talk about the relationship between u.s. and china. i think back to the long choreography that was involved during the obama administration, which included then vice president biden. i traveled with him in 2011, for the first of several meetings meant to establish the new relationship with incoming president xi, with the u.s., but clearly now, things, as xi looks to extend his time in office as a high point. >> at a high point.

and also, a time of real challenge at home, with his economy slowing, backlash over his covid lockdowns. so he's flexing his muscles and the white house believes overreacting, mike. overreacting to the pelosi visit, although they have been warning privately, the congressional staff, that this could set relations back. right? >> that's right. i think the white house obviously had their concerns with pelosi's plans about what it might mean as far as upsetting that relationship. but at the same time, the president has long said that he understands the politics are personal, as well as international politics. and that they know what xi's politics are here, and they're trying to walk a very fine line not to upset them. >> mike memoli, thank you. and wnba superstar brittney griner now facing a long sentence for drug possession and smuggling. the court sentencing her to nine years in a russian penal colony, despite her pleas more leniency.

while in cambodia overnight at a security forum, attended by both secretary of state tony blinken and russian foreign minister, lavrov, lavrov said that they're willing to have further discussions about a prisoner swap, but only they are done privately. that's a slam at lincoln for talking about it publicly. lincoln later responding. >> we put forward, as you know, a substantial proposal that russia should engage with us on. and what foreign minister lavrov said this morning and said publicly is that they are prepared to engage through channels we've established to do just that and we'll be pursuing that. >> they did not meet face-to-face. meanwhile, griner's team, the phoenix mercury, thursday night, pausing for a 42-moment of silence, a nod to her jersey number, before the tip-off. fans responding with chants of bring her home, bring her home.

[ chanting: bring her home ] >> a real emotional response in the locker room from the phoenix mercury, and even the connecticut sun there as you saw. griner's defense team says it plans to appeal the court's decision, calling it absolutely unreasonable. joining us is the founder and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, the host of "politics nation" here on msnbc, who has been instrumental in helping griner and her family push for her release and get through this terrible, terrible crisis. reverend al, what is your reaction to the sentence, just watching the court yesterday and watching her with such dignity dealing with it, listening to the judge totally ignoring the defense's case? >> it was not surprising, but

still startling. this is an absolute moral outrage for her to be given almost the maximum, nine and a half years, for something that wouldn't have even been a misdemeanor in the united states. and we're talking about, she had a precipitation that was presented to this court, where she had cannabis use for pain and for injuries due to her basketball playing. and even then, it was only the vape. so this clearly is russia at its worst. we hope, though, that in these negotiations, it was good the president responded immediately, it was good secretary blinken did. we hope that in these negotiations, it will lead to her immediate release. we still have a delegation that i've put together, asking to go and see her. and give her a clergy visit. because looking at her yesterday in that cage, she does not know

the millions of people supporting her around the world. she's there with new information, her wife tells me, about 99% of the people in the prison speak russian, she doesn't speak the language, and we want to be a comfort to her. but hopefully those prayers can be given back to the united states and we can have an expedited negotiation. we need to see brittney griner and paul whelan back in the united states and at home. >> rev, do you think you're going to be going soon? do you feel approvals to go? and who would be going with you? >> i would think that as far as we can go in terms of making moral appeals, in terms of many of the activist groups that have come forward, you saw her team stand up last night. we must keep this visible. we cannot let this be forgotten. >> and, you know, how is the family doing?

how is charell doing, if you can share? >> chareally is studying for the bar and i think it was encouraging when they showed the pictures of her family and she said, i love my family. she was showing the pictures in her cage yesterday at sentencing. i've talked to her father a couple of times and her father is very concerned, monitor everything, and they're continuing to be prayerful and hope that everything works out. clearly, nobody likes this situation, but they do not want to add injury. we're trying to get her home. the objective is not to make a political position as people like me do. the objective of the family is get her home safe and sound. >> my impression is that we're trying to dial things down, because russia is making such a big fuss over the so-called megaphone and saying that these negotiations have to be private, so let's test their sincerity

and see if they're really willing to make a deal. we know they want this guy viktor bout back really badly. if they're going to get serious, now is time to do it. >> i think this is the time to get serious, if you're going to be serious. and they've been saying for some time they want this guy. well, let's see how serious they are about their own russian citizen, this since this administration has put that on the table. we will see how serious they are and thankfully, we finally will see, at least out front, the seriousness of this government, by what the president has done, once brittany wrote him and made that appeal. i think both governments will see how serious they are. let's remember that this arms dealer has already done a certain amount of years. he only has a certain amount left. we're talking about, whelan's been in there for some time. and brittany would face nine and a half years.

this is in no way makes sense to anyone. so let's get beyond -- my pray is, andrea, is that athletics can be above our global politics. above one nation against another. we should appreciate that. brittany played seven years for russians. and the russian public began to love her. you saw at her trial, fellow players from the russian team testified for her character. a former coach. so this is not one nation against another when it comes to brittney, when it comes to when he whealan, it's about doing the right thing, but letting the global politics play out, but not using people in way that would be humane immoral. >> the first test is if they send her to some remote location or she can stay in moscow, where people from the embassy can see her, where she can get a call

through, where she can see her lawyers and get some comfort from people like you visiting. reverend al sharpton, thank you so much for today. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. and breaking news, and we must warn you, really disturbing images coming out of the middle east. israel unleashing air strikes in gaza, targeting the group islamic jihad after days of rising tension and killing a senior commander, they say. the palestinian health ministry says that so far, at least eight people have been killed, including a 5-year-old girl and dozens have been injured. we of course will be monitoring this situation. this is the first outbreak since a year ago june when there was, you know, more than a week, two weeks of clashes before it was finally dialed down. and a public health emergency around the world. new urgency from the biden administration to fight the growing monkeypox outbreak. what experts say has been a delayed response so far. this is "andrea mitchell reports." you're watching msnbc. s "andreal reports. you're watching msnbc. ♪ ♪

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the biden administration has declared monkeypox a public health emergency. working to improve access to treatment and vaccines, but this comes after "the new york times" first reported that the department of health and human services delayed asking the sole monkeypox vaccine manufacturer, located in denmark, to bottle its vaccine order, leading to an incredible shortage and supply. this morning, dr. ashish jha was asked about it on the "today" show. >> there is one small company in denmark that makes all the vaccines for the whole world. we have secured more doses than the rest of the world combined, but we've got to do more. we're looking at and work on expanding it to american manufacturers who can make those vaccines. >> joining us now is msnbc medical contributor and critical care pulmonologist, dr. vin

gupta. when did this start? this goes back years? they didn't take it seriously enough, because they were worried about smallpox or anthrax or other biological attacks, fatal diseases, or is this like, they weren't ready for covid, so they weren't ready for this? >> andrea, good morning. it's always great to see you, you know, there was a slight miscalculation up-front. but the announcement yesterday is critical on multiple fronts. and for your viewers here, just to emphasize key points here. number one, the commissioner of the fda announced something that's really interesting. that cuetaneous vaccination, if you're going to get vaccinated with this vaccination for

monkeypox, we'll give it superficially, that mode of administration might allow us to extend the existing vaccine supply to five times as many people, which is significant. number two, treatment is now more available to more people through a more streamlined process. previously, it was bureaucratic, a lot of paperwork, for good reasons. we need to do a clinical trial, we feed data, and the effective of tpox, this medication that can treat monkeypox, but they're streamlining it. i think there was important movement yesterday recognizing that things were slow to start with. >> and, you know, when did this all start? we're talking about this administration in the middle of covid, they weren't focused on this or does it go back a ways? >> it looks like at least the last few months, probably some time in may is when we had those first cases detected. it would be surprising if maybe there were cases even dating back early into the spring. now, having said that. what's important here is that everybody watching has a plan

and i'm going to extend this out to covid-19. if you're watching this, if you identify as medically high risk, have a plan. we know that monkeypox primarily has been characterized in communities as men who have sex with men, doesn't mean it's only going to be limited to that community specifically. colleges, schools, congregant living facilities, we'll have all of those institutions, andrea, we'll have to have a plan, more testing, but al for paxlovid, i would love the idea for standing orders for people who need paxlovid for covid. they need it, they test positive, they can fill it right away. we need to move towards that. >> dr. vin gupta, invaluable advice, thank you. coming up in our next hour, i'll be talk to dr. anthony fauci about the biden administration's response to the monkeypox emergency. and the cost of his lies, conspiracy theorist alex jones

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today the jury for conspiracy theorist alex jones will hear more testimony before deciding whether to award punitive damages to one of the victims of the sandy hook shooting on top of what they did yesterday which was to order him to pay $4.1 million for the suffering he caused in compensatory damages after lying about the 2012 shooting he claimed was staged. the attorney representing the family says the house january 6th committee has also requested two years' worth of alex jones' phone records. the attorney said the information came into his possession because jones' attorney sent it all by mistake in a giant dump sent to of course the, you know, the prosecution in the case. the plaintiff in the case. joining me now msnbc news reporter ben collins and you've

been watching the courtroom and i understand there was some drama today. that they have now brought in the jury and the judge is instructing the jury. are they moving on? >> yeah. they're moving on. alex jones' lawyer has objected to jury instructions they signed off on several days ago. the judge is completely defeated and over it with alex jones' lawyers so they've moved on to that and she is currently as we speak reading jury instructions to this jury. this morning they brought on a witness, the plaintiffs brought on a witness to talk about alex jones' net worth which is in the hundreds of millions of dollars according to this witness. we really did not know anything about his net worth until this week when that phone you just brought up leaked that showed he made upwards of $1,800 a day sometimes in 2018. that probably went up. we also learned very quickly when he was taken off facebook and twitter and youtube he has said for years this has cost him so much business, has ruined his

career, limited his ability to make money selling supplements. that is apparently the opposite of the truth. it has apparently buffeted his business and made him more money than ever according to both these documents and this specific witness today. >> david henderson this is maybe prebutting something we expected to hear. there was a bankruptcy filing. he obviously has money stashed in different places if this witness is correct. the family sued jones for $150 million in damages so the $4.1 million awarded much less. what could we see potentially from the punitive damages? >> andrea, i have worked on cases where people are seeking tens of millions fds and had experts trying to anticipate the verdict and everybody is always guessing when it comes down to this. you are likely to see a bigger number than the $4 million just the way the case has played out. right now the jury is asking the question what do we need to do

to make sure this doesn't happen again? the difficulty is you have to give the jury a good metric for making that decision. i am not quite sure we had that here. for example average family earnings in travis county are $80,000 normally. a $1,000 fine really hurts someone if they have to pay that. you have to put that in context for someone like jones and how much more egregious his conduct is than a $1,000 fine. >> this is only the first case. several of these families have been basically mentally tortured. they lose their children and then he goes and attacks them and their kids. >> yes, there are two other cases after this. there are some proceedings next week even in connecticut so this is all over the country. look, he's forced these people to move all over the country because of what his followers and many throughout the country have done to these families. i want to stress without alex jones there is no playbook for

this. there is no mass media version of stalking and harassing victims of crimes because they say it was staged by the cia or the fbi. people have been saying that forever but nobody made the money alex jones has or made an empire out of it like he has in the last ten years. >> well, that sort of puts a fine point on it, doesn't it? ben collins, david henderson. thank you both. in our next hour of "andrea mitchell reports" the escalating tensions between the u.s. and china, the u.s. says manufactured by china after nancy pelosi's trip. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ flowers are fighters. that's why the alzheimer's association

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thank you all for staying with "andrea mitchell reports." here for a second hour here are the top stories we're following. china is continuing its forceful response to nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan following the live fire drills around the island now with sanctioning the speaker and a suspension of both climate talks and all military dialogue between the u.s. and china. there is more breaking news at home with the july jobs report shattering all expectations with 528,000 new jobs added. a big boost for the biden administration that could temporarily alleviate the