hey everybody it's good to see you. yasmin vossoughian i'm. we have a lot going on, on the saturday afternoon. the senate in a rare session he. everyone has been. this weekend. democrats soon in the senate in a rare trying to pass piece this major piece in a rare move trying to of legislation pass a piece of as republicans do legislation as republicans everything they can do everything they to make it difficult. we're following the can to make it difficult. we are fighting to live by live, minute by minute minute updates on the updates on the story. story waiting the awaiting the crucial first to first crucial first vote to get the process started. vote it's coming as the

president hopes to as the president tries of add this this bill to the suddenly bill to the stunningly good jobs numbers good jobs at which numbers as wet might is being shape up to be the best called the best week of his presidency so far. week of his presidency that's for. plus, just days after plus just days after a majority help clear majority firm in state of of indiana abortion rights, the has taken a major step to state of indiana has taken a major step to restrict those rights. i will talk to the women who spearheaded the kansas effort. we're first gonna start in washington, senators have taken to the floor to begin that rare saturday session where democrats hope to pass that spending package. some republican senators promised to create some problems today to elongate the process, democrats appear to be a united front, with senator brian schatz tweeting out that all 50 democrats will vote amendments on the floor today to ensure the passage of the package. this coming after the senate parliamentarian upholds major parts of the legislation but

deal -- did kill one provision to cap drug prices. i want to get to julie -- who's been following all the updates minute by minute. wow, it's quite a rare saturday, julie, talk to me. what's going on so far? >> yeah, yasmin, i'm told by some senators in the last couple of minutes that they begin they can get started on this bill as soon as two hours from now. one of the biggest holdup says we don't have the bill text yet. schumer said that the parliamentarian meetings are largely concluded but there are some issues, some kinks that they're working out, specifically on the drug prices, the insulin cap as well. i want to -- you to take a listen to which leader schumer said on the floor. >> i'm happy to report to my colleagues that the bill that we presented to the parliamentarian remains largely intact. the bill when passed will meet all of our goals, fighting climate change, lowering health care costs, closing tax

loopholes abused by the wealthy, and reducing the deficit. this is a major win for the american people, and a sad commentary on the republican party as they actively fight provisions that lower costs for the american family. >> look, republicans are certainly going to take advantage of this amendment problem. i'm told they might yield back most of their time when it comes to that debate time, those 20 hours of debate, equally divided among democrats and republicans. that happens once they get on to the bill. once they take that first procedural vote, and john groom, a top republican over hill, told me that they plan to go all night with the vote-a-rama, but they could wrap up as soon as tomorrow morning. >> all right, so we talked about the senate parliamentarian and what they -- would happened with the capping prices, we also talked about getting kristen sinema on board with her vote. tell me what this vote actually looks, like julie? >> this bill largely intact.

sinema got her way on corporate income tax when she heard from manufacturers in arizona. other than that, it remains the way it was crafted behind the scenes. which means senator manchin, and senator shoe -- schumer. schumer said they had to make those changes to get cinemas vote key to that as well. take a listen to what warren said to my colleague. >> look, we're going to keep it together. we have to get 50 votes to get this thing across the finish line. that's where we're going to do. look, i wanted so much more. i want universal child care. i want us to do more on health care. of course i want there's a ton where i want to do. but you know wet, this is a big deal. so let's book the win, and they get right back in the fight. >> look, democrats, many of them progressives are admitting, there is sucking it up. they're sucking it up for the fact that they don't have these provisions that they wanted in build back better, but they still might bring them up. senator bernie sanders bringing up for amendments.

jeff merkley just told me he plans to bring up pieces of preschool childcare, community college. all these things that they try to get passed in build back better, of course they couldn't. at the end of the day, senators like shots, you saw his tweet on the screen earlier this hour. he believes that democrats can stay together. he's gonna try to make that happen. >> all right, julie tsirkin, as you could flag us when things are happening over the next hours. we're on it, will come to you whenever we see it move -- some movement. i'm sure we'll be talking to. again president biden and his administration watching all of this incredibly closely. i want to bring in mike memoli who's covering all of that for us. before we get into the tiktok of watching everything progress on this. we did hear over the last hour, the president finally testing negative. hopefully this one sticks, what do you know? >> yeah, so does the white house there, yasmin. it's been 17 days, since president biden first tested positive for covid. then six days later, tested

negative. they had this big triumphant return to the rose garden, a pardon by his staff. only three days later, to have one of those rare rebound cases, a week ago. we are talking about that. this is some good news for the president testing negative for the first time since that rebound case a week ago, according to a letter from his doctor, dr. kevin o'connor. the white house wants to wait for one more negative test before he would end that period of isolation. but really, yasmin, it is remarkable when we think about two and a half weeks during which the president has been largely sidelined, isolated in the white house, it coincides with some of the biggest winds with his administration. he has two big bipartisan bill signings on schedule for the week ahead. he's looking at a major victory for his agenda on what we're mostly -- the build back better agenda, here. coming, potentially, as soon as this week. taking out the leader of al-qaeda as well. a lot of big wins for the president, even as he's been isolated by covid.

they have more that they want to do, and that's why the president's eager to get back on the road. >> let's talk about the strategy, moving forward, when it comes to talking about these big wins, right? hitting the road. promoting it, and the lead up to the midterms. hopefully he'll be walking away with a second negative covid test, right? you're looking at this major jobs report that was released yesterday, better than expected jobs numbers which complicates the outlook on the economy in this country. what is the strategy for this president when it comes to talking about possibly a win with the spending bill? talking about possibly a win when it comes to the economy, and heading towards the midterms? >> it's interesting, we got a taste of this -- when you talked about the blockbuster, even 48 hours white house officials were trying to downplay numbers for what kind of numbers they were expecting to see. it exceeded their expectations. it was important, a week ago,

we were talking about that gdp data showing it consecutive quarter of contraction in the u.s. economy. typically that's considered a recession. but the white house really pushed back on that, saying there's strong job growth continuing to this day, that's why they're saying it's not a recession. when you add that to the legislation that they're passing now, some of the economic winds, it allows the president to do more of what he outlined yesterday. saying that we're taking care of some of the short term challenges that are primarily about inflation, gas prices. we've also seen gas prices come down. they're still at close to as highs for a lot of people in terms of recent memory, but down from the all-time high. then he's talking about some of the long term economic strategy here. as the president often puts, it grow the middle class, grow the economy from the middle, and the bottom out as well. it's giving the democrats a strong midterm message. >> any expectation to hear from the president publicly if you test negative yet again? >> that's something the white

house has in their back pocket. if, as release timeline lays out, the senate is able to get final passage to this, i'm sure the president is going to be want to be heard celebrating that victory. >> they're gonna be on it, so tap us on the shoulder when you get more. thank you. we want to bring in now senator debbie seven, how and member of the budget and finance committee working on a saturday to try to get this thing across the finish line. always, senator, great to talk to you. ahead of senate recess -- take me behind the scenes, what's happening? >> first of all, yasmin, we all got a lot of good sleep last night. it's gonna be a long one. it's gonna be a long. we're here to lower down. in my judgment in terms of working with trying to lower the cost of prescription drugs for you, and try to tackle the climate crisis, this is the finish of an epic fight. you've got republicans standing

on the side of big pharma, big oil, protecting their profits for years. you have the democrat standing on the other side, working to bring down the cost of prescription drugs, tackle the climate crisis, and at the end of the time when this is over, the american people will have one. so, this is a big, big deal. from my perspective, being in a middle of a state that makes things and grows things and is going to add a whole lot more jobs and clean energy and tackle the climate crisis with their agriculture and forestry processes, it's exciting. >> you talked about prescription drug prices, i do know the senate parliamentarian did kill one provision, kept prescription drug prices, harry feeling about that right now? i know that was important for you. >> it is important, it was always a question, though. once we were on medicare -- we were hoped that would be included, but it was always a question. the biggest driver on these costs's medicare.

as you know, we've been trying for years to get medicare, given the power to do with the va does for veterans, the va negotiates and gets about a 40% reduction in prices for veterans. because they negotiate. so, medicare, huge by are -- the biggest one in the space -- hasn't been able to do that. i have, since i was in the u.s. house of representatives, 1998, i used to do these bus trips from detroit over to windsor. ten minutes on a bus, you can drop the cost 40%. so it's outrageous. right now, the most important thing is that the biggest driver, the biggest customer, on prescription drugs, which is medicare, is going to be able to negotiate prices. we're going to cap a lot of pocket costs for seniors at $2,000 a year, which is a big deal. if we can get this cap, $35 a month, cap on insulin for people? wow!

that's a big win. >> let's talk about the process quickly, when it comes to amendments. we've heard vows from republican senators to try to hold up this process as much as possible. one of the ways in which they're able to do that is proposing these amendments. we've also heard promises from democratic colleague saying, in fact, they're gonna vote no on all amendments to make sure this thing gets across the finish line. are you on board with them? >> yes, it's really important that we keep this intact and not have any changes that could derail this. of course, that's what they want. mitch mcconnell's going to try to legislate water torture here in the next day. in many ways, this reminds me of what they did on burn pits with veterans. they didn't want us to get to this bill. again, they're there for the big pharma but, is there big oil buddies, anything to voted -- to slow it down. the even voted against veterans to slow down the process and take more time.

now they want to put up more amendments, i'm sure many of them -- i would be interested in. but we know, this is a trick, this is not sincere. this is only being done to get a change so that the whole process stops. we're not gonna let that happen. >> one last one, and while we talk, senator, if you could put up the full screen of what's in this bill, so the americans that can watch this and know what's happening in washington and whether voting for. senator, how are you going to use the momentum from this possible, win this major spending bill, in the lead up to the midterms? the narrative up till now was, it was likely republicans would take back congress in these midterm elections. there is so much now, momentum, in the democratic party, especially now with this legislation, how are you going to use this going forward? >> yes, yasmin, this is been

one heck of an 18 months. we came in basically to a tie in the senate with a great new president. a small majority in the house it's extraordinary what we've been able to get done. we're gonna tell the story there's a 90% reduction in people dying of covid. when the president came, and schools were closed, businesses were closed, people were at home, people dying, all the things. and we hunker down to make sure people were safe. and communities were safe. and now making sure we can have businesses coming back on line. best unemployment numbers in 50 years. robust economy. you've got the bill on infrastructure, rebuilding america. and the chips and science bill bringing our jobs home. now on top of that, we are creating in this bill alone, the estimate is 9 million new jobs. while we're lowering the cost of prescription drugs and your

electricity bill, and all the other energy costs, and tackling the biggest threat for all of us and our children, and grandchildren, which is what's happening with the weather. and the climate crisis. so i think there's a pretty good story to tell. >> senator, thank you so much for joining us and it's all the chaos happening on capitol hill right about now, and good luck to you and your colleagues on the next 24 hours ahead. we're gonna continue to follow the breaking news on the hill throughout the next two hours, everybody. 3 pm eastern, senators may see hirono and chris van hollen will join us for any last-minute deal making. also ahead, how close the u.s. and russia are to finalizing a prisoner swap to bring britney griner and paul we've been home. plus, indiana lawmakers banned nearly all voters after -- a leader behind that victory for choice joins me for how this fight moves forward beyond kansas. moves forward beyon kansas kansas neighborhoods "open".

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should be a signal to americans across the country to make their voices heard. congress should also act immediately to pass a law restoring that protections a pro. the only way to secure a woman's right to choose nationally. and then to a major victory for abortion rights this week, as voters in kansas decisively defeated a valid measure that would've blocked abortion protections in the states constitution. the washington post reports this. nearly 60% of voters ultimately rejected the amendment with more than 900,000 turning out to the polls. that is nearly twice as many who turned out in the 2020 primary election. for more states are gonna have their turn next. california, montana, kentucky, vermont. they have similar measures on november primary ballots, as well. and abortion rights activists say kansas should be viewed as a bellwether. joining me now is rachel -- campaign manager for kansans for constitutional freedom.

rachel, thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate. and so the numbers with this election [interpreter] a really standing, to say the least. you've got 900,000 votes folks who turn out to vote overall. according to the washington post, about one in five republican primary voters turned out in favor of abortion rights. how did you mobilize the votes that you needed for this turnout? >> absolutely. thank you so much for having me. we are so pleased that the voters of kansas have spoken so resoundingly in support of legal abortion, in support of keeping government out of our personal private medical decisions. and the way that we are able to achieve this victory was really by talking to voters across the political spectrum. i think there is still a lot last to learn about who the collision and it being on election night. but what we saw is that it is possible to win victories for reproductive rights, for personal autonomy, in states

that are more conservative like kansas. we think that only about 35% of the electorate that showed up on august 2nd, were registered democrats. and we know that that is because our coalition and our partners across the state where able to effectively communicate with, and mobilize voters who are more conservative or moderate. as well as unaffiliated voters who really can be, you know, across the political spectrum. but are very unlikely to shop for primary elections. so i am very proud of the work that our team has done to be able to get so many folks to the polls and make their voices heard on this issue. >> so, i think is the rest of america kind of watch as this all play out, there is not considering the fact that can set care this is a fairly conservative state overall. but when you look at numbers of folks in this country nationally who support abortion rights, it is not necessarily -- considering the fact that 70% or so of americans actually support abortion rights. for women, but when you look back at the 2020 election. trump won kansas over now

president biden by 15 percentage points. but the numbers actually flip when you look at who voted no on this abortion amendment. and the new york times is reporting this. essentially we are facing backlash when it comes to the overturning roe, and how the campaign on it. saying, this pennsylvania doug massie on a republican's antiabortion candidate for governor has legally taken to saying, the people of pennsylvania will decide what abortion looks like in the state, not the governor. in minnesota, scott jensen, a family physician who got in march that he would try to ban abortions as governor, sat in the video released before the kansas vote that he does support some exceptions. if i've been unclear previously, i want to be clear now. how do you harness this kind of backlash, now, that the republicans are feeling with the overturn of roe? >> that is a great question. so we know for most voters, this is not a partisan political issue. the right to access even legal abortion is primarily a personal issue.

it is a medical issue. and for some folks it is a moral or religious so shoe. so, in terms of supporting an elected candidate who support access to legal abortion, that is certainly an important next up. but first feeds like the ones that's around kansas, fate like missouri, oklahoma, texas, places where abortion has already been abandoned is completely unacceptable to people who let in those states, simply saying that we need to elect more politicians who support abortion lights is an insufficient response. as you mentioned earlier in the broadcast, there are states that are going to have abortion rights ballot measures, whether those are proactive measures like in michigan to make sure that abortion rights are protected in the constitution, or defense of measures like in kentucky which is very similar to the measure that we defeated in kansas on tuesday. it is really important that we make sure that there is a 50 state strategy in the long term plan for rebuilding access in states where it is lost. in kansas, we were able to hold

the line. in kansas, abortion remains illegal with all of its restrictions. kansas is still not a place where it is particularly easy to get an abortion. but it is a place where abortion is illegal. and that we need to figure out not just, how do we continue to hold the line, but how do we rebuild in states where access doesn't exist at the moment. >> rachel sweet, thank you. good to talk to you. >> thank you so much. >> as we go to break everybody, a live look from the senate floor where democrats are preparing for a key vote to begin the debate of the inflation reduction act. we are following it alive for you. we are also going to dive into arizona senator kirsten sinema's role in the negotiations, and what she was able to change. we will be right back. as able to change we will be right back. i rode horses... i really do take care of myself. i try to stay in shape. that's really important, especially as you age. i noticed after kids that my body totally changed. i started noticing a little pudge. so i took action! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good.

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the floor. all in order to ensure this reconciliation package actually passes and gets across the finish line. we want to bring in nbc's alaga tally who's been watching this for us honoré or saturday afternoon. ali, it is going to be a 24 to 40 a over coffee ready wherever we go. this place has been nonstop, certainly this weekend, no exception as democrats lunch headlong into their plan to pass this reconciliation deal that branches from health care, to showing up the economy, and of course those prescription drugs costs and tax reform. but in order to get there they first have to get on to this first vote. the so-called motion to proceed which will allow all 50 democrats this together by simple majority, pass this, and move on to the actual lengthy part of this which is potentially, 20 hours of debate, though it doesn't sound like both sides are going to exercise their turn hours each on that. and then of course that long

talked about vote-a-rama which sounds like a doctors use thing, which is an unlimited amendments period. the open due -- debate among democrats is how they will play during that vote-a-rama. several democrats have said they don't want to see their colleagues offer up amendments, and they also want to see them vote no on everything, even if it's the amendment they would like in theory, because they don't wanna rock the boat. for example here is senator schatz. >> vote-a-rama is a silly process. we have a bill which is a delicate balance between the moderates and the center left, and the progressive left. any amendment to the bill could kill the bill. i'm opposing all amendments. >> that's not to stay that all democrats are on board with this plan. there are some that are at least thinking about introducing other amendments. for the most part, senators have talked to, yeah, would we have liked to see other things in this bill? certainly. but we're here now, to

carefully negotiate -- the vibe is not to rock the boat and mustard. up >> that's the vibe. don't rocket. by the way senator debbie -- stabenow saying the same thing on the air. there's a lot to add to this thing, but we don't want to hold it up. so we're not going to, for now, it seems, they just want to get this thing through. and then see what they can do going forward. for now, ali, thank you, also tap me on the virtual or shoulder if anything else happens. in recent months joe manchin had been the one holding the keys to the democratic kingdom, but after this surprise deal was announced, all eyes turned to kristen sinema, who is able to get sent -- several changes into the bill. i want to bring in dan noah, he's the national politics editor for the arizona republic. dan, thank you for joining us on this.

>> thanks for invitingly. >> all eyes were on your senator, these past couple of days. will she, or was she? i think one of the most outstanding questions i have first and foremost is her opposition to the tax loophole. closing the tax loophole when it came to hedge funds, for instance, and the go-rounds that they have, and how they're essentially paying less taxes than many americans are at the end of the day. why is she so opposed to closing this loophole? >> i don't know exactly why, but i know she's been on the record on that issue for a long time and i think everyone involved with this bill knew it which kind of makes you wonder if there's ever seriously thought that it would stay in. given that, so much on the record, there was so much opposition to it already. obviously, she's not the only senator who wants to keep that. there's a lot of hedge fund merit --

managers in new york, for example. >> right, but she's the one with the most voting power right about now. with that in mind, talk to me how it is she has amassed so much power in the senate over the last six months to a year. i'm wondering, if this was, from your reporting, a concerted effort on her part? if she knew what she was doing in amassing this type of power? >> i think she was very deliberate about it. certainly, it's a matter of the numbers. she wanted to be in a pretty powerful position, in a split senate. she's -- she ran for the senate as a centrist, as a democrat who would work with anyone to get things done, and as she used to say in her campaign ads. that's basically what she's been doing. she talked the talk, and she's walking the walk. obviously john mccain was a model for that kind of burdensome -- bipartisanship. she looks to his model as she

moves along. obviously john mccain, angered many people on the right by doing that. and she's angry many people on the left, here. but it's kind of the same playbook that they're using. >> let me shift to sentiments home state, arizona, we're learning former news anchor carrie lake winning the primary for governor. what are her chances in that state? she's never held public office, but she has a president trump's endorsement. also where she stands on the 2020 election being an election denier, as the former president as well, whether her chances in the state right now? >> i would see arizona as being shifting blue. it's a purple state now. he used to be reliably red. carrie lake, as you mentioned, she's a candidate in the trump

style. she's a former news anchor, she's a great communicator. she's a good communicator but over the years some someone like mccain, and other republicans who won -- there's always been a pivot that needs to happen. you always have to run to the red during the primary, and then during the general election and you have to pivot to the center again. mccain was a master of that. in the primary, he had the -- ads and then he pivoted back to the center. the last few years, the republicans have stopped doing that. -- sally never did pivot, she lost to elections, which is why arizona has two democratic senators right now. the question is whether any republicans this year will

pivot to the center? kari lake, i don't think we'll at all. you might see -- masters, he might soften on some issues here in the. he might pivot a little. but i don't think kari lake it's going to do it at all. we'll see how that works out for her. obviously, in the midterm, in arizona, with gas prices and inflation -- you would think it would help the republicans. >> all right, we're going to be watching, that is for sure, your state when it comes to the midterm elections. dan nowicki, thanks so much, good to talk to you. >> up next, hundreds of airstrikes are being exchanged between israel and gaza. how long will is it prepared to take? the latest escalation with the palestinian -- palestinians, we'll be right back. back back with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks.

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palestinian manitoba groups have been going on for a full day on friday. it is really harris trick on the high-rise in gaza, killed a senior islamic jihad commander. gaza responded by launching over 200 rockets into cities in central and southern israel. most of those rockets were intercepted by the iron dome defence system. israeli defenses have reported no serious casualties. a spokesperson saying they are preparing for a weeklong operation, and islamic jihad representative vowing that the group will retaliate. right now u.s. and russian government officials are looking into a prisoner exchange in order to get basketball star brittney griner back home. she serving a nine-year prison sentence following her conviction on drug possession charges. on friday, sergei lab said russia is open to a prisoner so but warned the u.s. about making the issue a public story. when asked on friday, president

biden said he was hopeful about the prospect of her return. i want to in matt bradley, who's been following this for us. matt, good to talk to. we have heard names before, wet new information to have on the current discussions and where they stand? >> well, of course, a lot of the speculation around this is focused on viktor bout, live notorious arms dealer because he sold weapons he thought he was going to columbian fighters that would be used against u.s. older -- soldiers. that's why he has such a long conviction. he's being put up as an exchange for griner and whelan. that is seen as a very lopsided exchange. because victor bout, a notorious arms dealer, and now there are also, according to cnn, and according to some other news agency, they're interested in another name. a man who's a murder conviction

in germany who's thought to be a former colonel in russian intelligence. that is considered by the u.s. to be not such a serious offer, especially since it was made through back channels. according to cnn, but this means that this deal is something that is in the mix, but it's something that could be slowed by these russian bands that the u.s. is not taking seriously, or doesn't consider to be serious offers. bc this nine year sentence for britney griner. that is actually a good thing. that means with that sentence, with the conviction in hand, the diplomats can really start to do their work in earnest, in terms of making some sort of prisoner exchange. that's the best hope that we learn and grander still have of getting out of prison. >> here's the thing, against all of this, you had secretary blinken and lavrov both in cambodia, right? in pictures, we saw them publicly. do we have any idea, any kind of back early information or

reporting that they had any discussions about a possible prisoner swap? >> yeah, they both talked about it publicly, but they didn't seem to talk about together. that was one of the vexing issues, here. lavrov kind of mocked antony blinken for not approaching him. not coming up to him on the sidelines of this conference in cambodia. really, we saw them both saying similar things, but at the same time not really talking. it doesn't look like the kind of thing you want to see if you're hoping there's negotiations between the u.s. and russia, especially if you are a supporter of britney griner. but we know for sure these negotiations are ongoing. they're very serious. it seems as though they've already reached a high-level. one thing that the russian seems to continuously complain about, of the u.s. side, is what they're calling megaphone diplomacy. this habit that the u.s. has had, remember, since the beginning, since february, since the war began, of taking

all of their intelligence assessments, everything that's normally done in secret, and broadcasting it like a megaphone. that's with the russians really don't like about the u.s. approach. yes ma'am? >> matt rightly for, us thank you. appreciate it. president trump said to speak with investigators. what we know about his children's testimony in the new york attorney general's probe. we'll be right back. back. feel the difference with downy. we hit the bike trails every weekend shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but, no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system declines as you age increasing your risk for getting shingles.

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billion. i want to bring in special prosecutor jill -- thanks for joining us on this. give us where you stand what you hear about -- both ivanka trump and john junior have testified, especially ahead of this idea that the former president will in fact be answering questions. >> first of all, i think this is great that we're asking about this, because it seems to a faded from public attention in the overwhelming testimony from the january 6th hearings and this is really important because this is a civil case that could lure literally bankrupt whatever is left of the trump organization. i think it's really important that we know that don jr. testified, and did not invoke the fifth amendment. he actually answered questions. we haven't heard the same thing, we haven't heard anything about whether ivanka claimed the fifth, or didn't.

given her cooperation with the january six committee, seems to me unlikely that she did. she probably answered questions. that's a great preclude to the president, the former president, who is now next up in the line of depositions. so i think it's really a good sign. as you pointed out, letitia james, the attorney general has said, we have substantial evidence of financial wrongdoing. so don't forget there is a criminal case against the trump organization and the cfo, allan weisselberg. that doesn't have a trial date, yet. but weisselberg's former daughter-in-law is supposedly said to be a witness in that case which will establish a lot of the wrongdoing that happened. a crime by the cfo influences what will happen to the organization itself. then you add to that the civil case and donald trump should be very worried. very worried.

>> here's what i find perplexing, the, about the children testifying. we've been showing images the entire time, we showed america, we showed don jr., and then there was eric trump. we know back in 2020, i believe, over 500 times invoked the fifth amendment when it came to testimony with attorney general letitia james. so what does this signal, now of the shift, right, of don jr. and ivanka providing testimony when in fact their brother pled the fifth? >> it is a little perplexing. there's no question about that. but that was a year ago, right? think of all of the things that we know today that we did not know a year ago. all the evidence that's out there, and how, not just republicans, but the people are starting to lose interest in donald trump -- 's numbers in terms of whether he'll be the nominee or not have changed.

that may be influencing how the rest of the family's feeling. maybe if erik were re-subpoenaed and came back, maybe he would feel differently. or maybe he actually feels more in danger than don jr., and ivanka feel? it's hard to know. we'll have to wait and see once the trial of the case gets going. or even the trial in new york of the criminal case. >> i want to talk about quickly, the doj investigating a former president as well. here's the type of reporting that we're getting in from usa today saying that former presidents donald trump's legal team has been in contact with justice department officials involved in the capitol attack investigation in an apparent attempt to block access with conversations of his former top aides, to people familiar with the inquiry said. this cannot necessarily look good as the former president, if your legal team is trying to block access to your top aides,

with the doj is trying to carry out this investigation. >> yes, let me just say that it is not uncommon for subjects, targets, to come in and ask for a meeting with the prosecuting attorneys, and to try to persuade them, not to take certain actions. it's a little unusual for them to try to stop someone from being a witness. but in this case, it's not a surprise. donald trump has tried in every way, through the courts, and has lost at every opportunity, to try to get people to not be able to testify based on executive privilege. he has been struck down by every court that has looked at it. i think that since u.s. v. nixon in the watergate era, it's been very clear that even a sitting president cannot invoke the privilege in cases

of particularly a criminal investigation. when you look at the department of justice, their right to get the testimony and to have that override any claim of privilege. even if donald trump had the power to invoke it. which is pretty much clear to me, as the former president, he does not. only the current incumbent, president biden, could invoke it. he has elected not to, because it's so important to the american public to get this information. he has not invoked it. i think that it's smart and not so uncommon for a potential defendant to come in and try to change the mind of the department of justice. in this case i don't think it will have any impact at all. >> jill wine-banks, as always it's great to see you. thank you. >> coming up everybody, at the top of the hour, democrats hoping to push through the robust reconciliation bill this weekend. we'll break down what's in it. it didn't make the cut, and wet

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thank you for sticking. around it is close to what you're going to get it to hand the can combat on the senate floor. democrats and republicans getting ready to debate the inflation reduction act. they will vote on that any moment. if passed, it is going to impact nearly every american with the provisions on inflation, climate, change health care as well. the bill would be a major victory for democrats. and a key part of their mid term argument to stay in power. and because of, that gop senators are preparing to do everything in their-limited power to stop. it >> democrats want around 200, billions of dollars in contracts and hundreds of billions of dollars and reckless spending. and for what? for so called inflation bill that will not meaningfully reduce inflation at all and will actually make inflation even worse in the short term. >> at every turn, they have resorted to the decades old talking point of calling our bill nothing but wasteful