hi, thank you. looking forward to it. good evening, and welcome to ayman. i am sam stein, in for ayman modi and. to the senate's efforts for the association bill. plus, the ripple effects of the kansas bill to protect abortion rights. what it could signal for the midterms. and, what goes around, comes around. alex jones has been ordered to pay more than $49 million to the parents of a sandy hook shooting victim. let's get started.

tonight, we begin with breaking news. the senate is in a rare, saturday night session, as democrats work to advance their sweeping health care, and climate bill, towards final passage. passage that could come as soon as this weekend. the bill, and the inflation reduction act, the i.r.a., would represent the largest climate investment in u.s. history. it will make major health policy by giving medicare the power, for the first time ever, to negotiate the prices of certain prescription drugs. the package is the product of painstaking negotiations, and it would give democrats a chance to achieve major policy objectives. ones that they sought for decades. they could get them ahead of the midterms. vice president, kamala harris, casting the tie breaking vote on the motion to proceed. the senate has, officially, begun debating the legislation. joining me now, norman ornstein, who is an emerita scholar in american enterprise institute. he is also a contributing editor from the atlantic, and i

will say this, he is, objectively, one of the foremost experts in all things the institution of congress. norm, thank you so much for joining us, i really appreciate it. let's just talk us through, as you understand it. the state of the legislation, at this very moment. what is in the bill, what is out of it? >> so, we know that there are a few things that have been removed from the original bill, that was put together by chuck schumer, and joe manchin. first, where some of the things that were moved, and then additions put in, by kyrsten sinema, to get that crucial, 58 vote. that included tax provisions. one, a 14 billion dollar provision to alter the carried interest tax break. basically, for hedge fund billionaires. but, it was replaced with some other taxes that will, actually, increase the revenue coming in. now, another was a change in

the alternative minimum tax. the new minimum tax, for corporations, that would reduce revenue, somewhat, by basically allowing more depreciation by companies. manufacturing companies actually like that. but, we do know that there are major changes made by the parliamentarian. as you know, sam, when you do reconciliation, you actually have to have within it, provisions, to get this status, where you can deliver an expedited vote. robert byrd, when he was in the senate, made sure that this would only apply to things that dealt with the budget, with fiscal policy, and did not have, predominantly, other policy affects. they go through a process that is called, a bird bath. one part of a prescription drug benefit. one that would require drug companies to pay some more, if

their prices went up faster than inflation for private insurers, which were taken out. but we have to emphasize is the things that were kept in. that includes all climate provisions, and that crucial set of provisions enabling medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices, and capping the cost for seniors on medicare, and drugs, to $2,000 per year, which is huge. >> it is interesting to watch an unelected bureaucrat, the parliamentary, and have all of this power. this gets to the necessity of using reconciliation. the other procedural element that is happening, at least, we have what is being called, vote-a-rama. which is, and unlimited amendment vote that republicans can just subject the process to until, basically, tire out. that is how it goes. as we understand, most democratic senators, including joe manchin, seem to be on the same page. they will not vote for any amendments, even the ones that

they support, in order to maintain the integrity of the bill. i guess my question, for you is, how long do you think this will take? do you think that democrats can hold the line in what, could be, a few very difficult, painstaking votes, designed, specifically, to make them feel political pinch? sure i want to emphasize, sam, this is not the typical amendment voting process, where you can have a debate on the amendments. there is no debate. you bring up the amendment, it gets a vote. you bring up another, it gets a vote. and those votes, in some ways, have to be related to the substance of the bill. they have to be, as we say, jermaine. but, we know republicans will offer a lot of poison pill votes, in order to alter this delicate compromise that, has on board all 50 democrats, and not a single republican. whether democrats can keep that discipline together, i say, it

is likely, but it's no sure thing. democrats and discipline? those are two things you don't often put in the same sentence. >> that's true. that lens me to my next question which is, the 30,000 for questioning. this process, it's been incredibly messy. i don't think anyone predicted it would take this long. maybe a few did. maybe a few predicted we would be of the spot, but not that many. the question, i suppose, in sheer political terms is, these are, obviously, huge objectives that the democrats have sought for decades. will they, materially, impact the midterm elections, or are they too late for voters to register as having altered their lives, essentially? >> this is a remarkable ten days, or so, for joe biden, whose approval rating, we know, has been down in the 30s. we saw the president, and his team, and administration, take

out the leader of al-qaeda. we have seen the passage of a few landmark bills, including, of course, helping veterans subjected to toxic chemicals, and dealing with the chip issue, which is a major part of our supply chain problems. this is, as joe biden would say, a.b. ftc. i think it is, likely, to give some momentum to democrats, because they are going to feel like, finally, the dam has broken. something good has happened. how much impact that has on november, it's not even that it's too late. things change, moment to moment, day today. who knows where the gas prices will shoot up again. we shouldn't, we've gotten some good news with these remarkable job numbers, would suggest, we are not heading into a recession over the next few months. but, for democrats to have good

news, to unite to gather, to do something that many people thought, after the failures of build back better, manchin, sinema, not being on board, that you could get something this sweeping, and this climate change, and health care provisions, i think, must give democrats the sense they have some wind at their backs. if you put that together with the fallout from the abortion issue, you will talk about a little later on, i know, democrats must be feeling better than they were when they feared a bloodbath in november. >> i think we can say be fda, but i don't know if we can say would be fda means on this evening program. norm, thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. we will be keeping an eye on the senate floor all night, bringing you any development on this bill as it happens. but, for now, we will turn to what has been a pivotal week over reproductive rights. today, indiana, the state became the first to adopt new

abortion restrictions since the supreme overturned roe v. wade. the governor kokand, a republican, signed into law, senate bill one, prohibiting abortion at any stage of gestation, except in the cases of rape, incest, or when the pregnant person's life is at risk. but, to actually understand the significance of what's happening in indiana, you need to understand the seismic event that took place earlier this week, in kansas. a stunning 20 point margin, kansas voters rejected a constitutional amendment that would've given officials the power to restrict, or ban, abortion in the state. the turnout was massive. it approach levels more typical for a general election. the pro-abortion side, outperforming joe biden's 2020 kansas vote share, and both traditionally blue areas, and in red, rural areas. this was both times that they had time to weigh in on abortion rights, since the supreme court overturned roe.

as the outlet, politico, reported, that outcome in kansas has, radically, shaken up expectations for the midterms. so, as republicans, like those in indiana, paris will restrict feuds oil version, the question is whether those efforts will backfire in november, and beyond. or, whether concerns about inflation, and president biden 's leadership, are simply too great to change most electoral outcomes. here is one data point, indicating that democrats do have a fighting chance. it comes in the form of new polling from suffolk university, saying, 64% of democrats say, overturning roe has made the more likely to vote in november. that is double the 29% of democrats who express that view before role was overturned. joining me now, to discuss all of this, is emily wales, the ceo of planned parenthood. emily, appreciate it.

we just want your general reaction to what we said in kansas surge of voters, who just came out because they, basically, wanted to protect abortion access. what are you hearing from those on the ground about the lessons learned? d about the lesson learned? >> kansas and domestic, loud and clear, they are paying attention. they will not be deceived by what the legislature put on this ballot amendment. the language was confusing. we're taking lessons from, it when you tell voters the truth, when you tell them what is at stake, if you trust them, if you communicate across the state. throughout this campaign, we talk to rural voters, we talk to voters in western kansas. we left nothing on the table, because we trusted them, to trust patience. it turns out, we were right. we were relieved, and thrilled, to be in this decision. >> let's ask about those conversations, because i think the question that people in d.c. have, is when you talk to people in rural, western kansas,

they obviously came out, it were receptive to yoda, that you didn't want to change the states constitution. is there a difference between voting against a ballot measure, and voting against a candidate for office, who may be, wants to restrict abortion rights? >> there is some difference, i think. we saw from the numbers of people who participated in the republican primary, versus the democratic, that there, absolutely, we're crossover voters. there was independents, who came out only for this issue, and republicans, who absolutely, voted to protect abortion access. at the same time, what it tells us is, running on reproductive rights can be winning issues. you don't need to hide your support, or couch it. if you say, i trust people to make private medical decisions, that resonates. at the end of the day, can sense of, across state lines, to missouri, oklahoma, where we now have bands in effect. they see the crisis there. they see patients are

scrambling. they did not want that crisis at home. >> what was the most affecting messaging you used? wasn't the need to protect abortion? or the fear of government overreach, and the potential that they would come for additional freedoms, like contraception, or marriage or, wasn't a mix of everything? >> absolutely, a mix. at the beginning of this campaign, we talked a lot about government overreach. that is because, i think, people were not even thinking that road could be overturned. they still felt, in kansas, that roe was unlikely to fall. there would still be some protection, so why would you need another. but, by the end of the campaign, at the fall of row, we took the patients, individual choices, and how abortion care affects peoples lives. that is because people saw, it was no longer that this was an additional protection, or separate protection, the constitutional protection was the only way they were keeping care long term. . >> we have these restrictions

in indiana pass today, and more or less, all of the midwest and is going to be in a war shun oasis, or lack of abortion services, except for kansas, which already has some strict regulations on abortion services. how do you interpret what the next couple of months will look like, and how it will shape that part of the country? will you see providers go into kansas, knowing that they have some protections, to try to prep people in that area? >> as you know, we already have quite a few restrictions in the state of kansas we only have a few clinics we can get care right now. their providers around the country who are leaving states that have banned cared, to go to other states. for the most part, we don't see them head to kansas because, even with this vote, people know, abortion will remain a political issue. candidates will run on this, but i am hoping that kansas politicians, and politicians around the country, opened their eyes and see that it is

not a winning issue to restrict people's individual freedoms. it is not a winning issue to pass cruel bans on abortion care. we will try to meet the need as much as we can, and see patients who need us, because, it is absolutely a crisis. we have patients who are traveling ten, 15 hours, some, from south texas, in their cars, overnight, trying to figure out how to get care. we are doing all we can, but this whole crisis is man-made. we never had to be in this position. legislatures are more focused on politics, than they are in health, care right now. emily wales, thank you so much for joining us, i appreciate the insights here. still ahead, january six text messages were reportedly wiped from the phones of key trump pentagon officials. whoops on officials whoops a complete multivitamin plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+.

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saga of ex trump officials, and they're disappearing text messages. this week, the number two democrat, in the senate, dick durbin, called for an inspector general investigation into missing texts from trump's defense department leadership, in the lead up to the insurrection. senator durbin said, quote, i don't know whether the failure to preserve these critical government tax, from january 6th, is a result of bad faith, stunning incompetence, or, outdated records management policies. but, we must get to the bottom of it. end quote. the d.o.d., becoming the latest

federal agency, thought to have deleted official phone communications, potentially relevant to the january 6th investigations. earlier this week, congresswoman, carolyn maloney, and congresswoman benny thompson, called for officials at the department of homeland security's independent watchdog to testify about that agency's handling of missing secret service text messages from the same time period. here is former defense secretary, leon panetta, an msnbc. >> i don't think there is any question, when you go from agency, to agency, and find out that key messages have been deleted, something is going on here, that resembles, clearly, a conspiracy. >> joining me now, harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, and former deputy assistant attorney general. he is the host of the talking feds. not the talking heads, the talking feds, podcast. harry, thank you for joining

me. let's start with the news of the department of defense wiping the phones of some former senior trump administration officials. we, the public, only know about this latest trove of missing texts, because the government watchdog group, american oversight, sued the d.o.d.. so, let's talk about this. how we got this information, what it means, and what we should imply from it. >> yes. all of those questions are murky, about where we should go from here, is not. the d.o.d., as you say, are the third agency. all three of these agencies, with relevant information about january 6th. we already know, d.o.d. remember, trump reached out, and said, they should put troops at the ready, and maybe, sees machines. what we have, so far, is the self serving public statements by people who have a lot of squirrelly-ness and their backgrounds. you just have to get a half dozen people in a room, and they must be sworn.

i think, actually, the inspector general are not the right place. but maloney says, they need to be sworn by people, with some criminal authority the best. i think, very possible here, is the department of justice. next to that, would be the congressional committee. this is not for the inspector general to say, was their agency failing to adhere to standards. this is possible crime. >> there is a committee in existence. it is the january six committee. they say that they are coming back in september with hearings, but, we are also running against the clock, right? the likelihood that the house takes the republicans turn in the midterms. would you expect that that committee picks up on these threats, after the august recess, that this is a central component of, whatever hearing they planned, in september? >> hard to say, because they have many fish to fry. as you say, not much time to do it. in general, like with cipollone, they take what they can get.

if the oig's are very cooperative, sure, they will do it. if not, it doesn't matter. it's a big enough, separate, scandal. it's almost like the big cover-up that is ancillary to what they are looking at. it needs to be looked into. needs to be looked into the standing congressional committees, as well as the department of justice. liam panetta knows government when he says, there is a conspiracy out there, you need to pursue it, and he is right. >> to keep it centered on the hill for one second, then we get to the justice component. because there is this new letter, congresswoman maloney, congresswoman thompson, new to their demand that joseph goof ari, the homeland security inspector general, that he step aside from the investigation. this week, it was revealed, he was previously accused of misleading federal investigators in running afoul of ethics regulations, while he was in charge of justice

department inspector general's field office. so, what can be done? it doesn't look like you will step aside willingly. what should be done, if he decides not to? >> first, biden should fire him tomorrow. really, it is unclear why he is sticking around. he's a trump pulled over, which isn't enough to fire, but as you say, we do have previous issues. he's been squirrelly, and had this unwarranted arrogance about this all. at the very best scenario, for him, there are things to explain. he has some serious explaining to do, and just won't do it. instead, choosing to get his back up. he's a guy who didn't report for many months. his office and said, never mind, you don't have to produce it. his high handedness's, really, out of line here. >> harry, we could go all night. we can't, we have to pay the bills, will have to save it for the podcast. thank you very much. still ahead, four current, and

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today. >> that was breonna taylor's mother, tamika palmer, just moments after denounce federal charges against for current and former police officers in louisville, kentucky, in connection to the pots rage against we are not tellers that in 2020. the charges include conspiracy, use of excessive force and obstruction. joining me now is state representative herrin, who was

instrumental in passing the breonna taylor law that prohibits the use of force without a warrant. were you surprised by the timing of the? >> yes, thank you for having me this evening. hearing the news of the indictments was a sigh of relief. we myself and the people in the community knew from the beginning that there should have been an indictment. to finally get the call and to find out that these officers were going to be held accountable was a huge relief. for us in louisville, it is the first step and a long process. we will continue to work together and fight and make sure that breonna taylor continues to get justice. >> i want to play some of what

attorney general merrick garland said when he announced charges, let's listen in now. >> we share, but we cannot fully imagine the grief felt by breonna taylor's loved ones and all those affected by the events of march 13th, 2020. breonna taylor should be alive today. >> we are two years after her death, but how significant is it to hear that from the nation's chief law enforcement officer? >> what he said is correct and what we have always known in louisville is that they never should have been at breonna taylor's apartment, that she should be alive today. miss tamika palmer at one point in time said that every day is march 13th, and that is something that will continue to bring throughout my head. for us here in kentucky, we knew that her fourth amendment rights had been violated, which

is why the first thing we did here in louisville was to ban no knock warrants in the city. we know that it will be a long fight, but there is more work for us to do. we are dedicated to work with doj and other law enforcement to make sure that breonna taylor gets justice and also the other community members in louisville, who have been a rat harassed by the police will also get justice. the next step is, are there other people who have been served warrants or things happened based on the actions of the law enforcement officers? there is a lot more work to do, but we are dedicated to work together to get them. >> let's talk about the work to do. you've got the no knock warrant ban in the city. where does the political moment picket from there? you see any further action anywhere else in the state, even beyond your state? >> absolutely, last year in

2021, we were able to pass senate bill four, which did a partial ban on -- we were able to do that with a republican majority, so the work is a lot, but i am assured that we continue to get work done. here for the city in louisville, we know that the doj is continuing to investigate the whole department. there has been other officers charged with civil rights violations and other cases not related to breonna taylor. we will continue to do that. we have a meryl race coming up. we will go to the ballot box in november and make sure that we elect a mare that knows and understands that our police department has to have some trust. that will be a lot of work, it'll be a lot, and take a lot to happen but we are dedicated to making sure that we do that.

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after years of calling the shooting a hoax, he testified under oath at a defamation hearing last week, he finally admitted the truth. >> do you understand now that it was absolutely irresponsible of you? >> it was, especially since i met the parents. it's 100 percent real. >> a jury ordered alex jones to pay more than 45 million in punitive damages to the family of a sandy hook shooting victim. earlier, the same jury order jones to pay the same family another 4.1 million and compensatory damages for the suffering joneses caused. elizabeth williamson is a reporter for the new york times and author of sandy hook, an american tragedy and the battle for truth. she joins me now to discuss all this. elizabeth, let's talk about the

outcome of the trial. did we expect such a sizeable win for the plaintive? i know they were asking for more, but this was a lot. >> yeah, especially for texas, this is a lot. there has been a lot of talk about how damages in the punitive category are kept at 750,000 per plaintiff, that would be for each of the parents, nil and scarlet. this is a symbolic judgment that the lawyers for them are saying that they are going to test and try to get as much of this money as they can for the families. regardless, it's not only an unexpected financial win, but it is also a moral victory for the parents, what they really wanted to do was to strike a blow against disinformation and viral false narratives that alex jones is the chief purveyor of. >> i would like to step back for a second. how did we get to this point? it is not normal for a person

to write in a defamation suit, let alone a child. what is it about this case that got us to this point where jones who's actually forced to deal with these punitive rulings? >> it was a long road. the family -- 's again, there are three trials. this is the first of three for damages. where we began was the families of ten sandy hook victims filed four separate lawsuits in texas and connecticut. those were later consolidated into three. alex jones stonewalled for the better part of four years, just refusing to submit testimony, stonewalling on submitting documents, business records that would have given them a window into his business dealings and his success in the run up to trial.

so, late last year, judges in all those cases, so in two states, default to him, which meant he was liable and although suits. he was ruled to have already defamed the family's. these are trials for damages, and the sole responsibility of the jury in these trials, again, this was the first of three, is to determine how much he must pay the families in damages. >> i have a two part question for you, i guess. one is are you surprised that he ultimately conceded that it was not a hoax? he could've kept a charade going, i suppose. and then, secondly, what do you think it was like for the families, not just this one but all the families to watch this trial proceed knowing that your antagonists is sitting there and finally conceding that the lies he told realize? >> on the first part, i am surprised that was made such a big deal of because alex jones

throughout the process has periodically said, i know that people died. i know that 26 people died. i know that sandy hook happened, and then it is always a backhanded thing, but there are questions, but some things do not add up. i had no soap opera actors when i see them. he always acts the sort of but. he was doing that in court to. he came up to the family's, introduce himself, said he was sorry, and then he said, but. he was not given an opportunity to finish descends, but that is one thing. it was very powerful for the families to face off with him in court. they had been waiting to do this for years. especially when scarlett testified, our louis, jesse lewis's mom, it was extremely powerful. she, for the better part of 90 minutes, just addressed every answer to him sitting there. he was squirming, he was

sweating, he would not look at her, it was an extraordinary moment. >> the other extraordinary moment for those watching the trial was when it was revealed that alex jones's own attorney had, i guess, accidentally turned over his phone records to the lawyer arguing against jones. part of me is wondering, has this ever happened before. was a possibly delivered that he wanted to undermine his own client? would you make of the moment -- >> this is when we turn into conspiracy theorists. >> i don't want to become alex jones here, but what did you make of the moment, because i've never seen anything like that in court? >> that was unbelievable. just a look on his face because the brought point i think being made here, that obviously, the contents of the text messages is a source of great curiosity, including to law enforcement,

but i think the really interesting moment for the families and these cases was that he had spent almost four years saying, i have no text messages. i don't have anything in my phone. i might have changed my phone, blah blah. there he was, sitting there, he's a typical lawyer, that is your perry mason moment. the guy was sweating through his shirt. he just could not believe this. it was sort of like truth is hard, truth is really hard. the world got to see alex jones finally confronted with it, and he had nothing to say. >> people are going to mind those text messages, including, potentially, the january six committee. elizabeth williamson, thank you so much for all your down on the story, i appreciate time tonight to. coming up, as we saw with the alex jones case, the total of gun violence goes well beyond the immediate physical aftermath. what we are learning from a new

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the case against the confessed parkland shooter, arguing he should be sentenced to death. during the trial, families of the 17 people killed in the 2018 shooting took to the stand to offer their statements. >> every morning when i wake up, i go upstairs look at his bed, is pure agony. >> it haunts my thoughts, every second of every day. >> i gotta watch my friends, my neighbors, colleagues spent time enjoying their daughters, enjoying all the normal milestones, taking in the joys that i can only watch videos or go to the cemetery to see my daughter. >> jeez --

meanwhile, a new study published in eternal medicine finds that the aftermath of gun virus goes far beyond the number of dead wounded. it found that outdoor spending increased as a director spoke of a non fatal fire arm injury. as i was increased physical pain and major spikes in psychiatric disorders and substance abuse disorders. those effects could be seen and victims family members. joining me now is the doctor who conduct that study, dr. zirui song. he is the associate professor of health care policy and medicine at harvard medical school. doctor sonne, thank you so much. walk us through some of the key takeaways that you have. >> sure, thank you, sam, i appreciate you having me and your attention to the support and public health policy and problem. we looked at about six dozen to 500 survivors of firearm injuries, and about 12 dozen of

the family members from one year before the firearm injury to one year after. these are all firearm injuries not fatal. we found that in the first year, survivors of non fatal firearm injuries had a 50 cent per cent increase emitter of disorders and substance abuse disorders. their family members were also not unscathed, despite not being shot themselves, that remembers of survivors experience a top isn't a gruesome at the heart disorders that was sustained to the first year. >> quickly, the definition of a firearm injury in this case is what, getting hit by a bullet? or something different than that? >> my colleagues and i looked at both intentional and unintentional firearm injuries, which include police shootings, accidental firearm injuries in the home, homicides, certainly suicide attempts, and anything that might be categorized in a

critical setting as a fire arm injury. >> what is the most surprising thing. obviously, will not obviously, it makes sense that people involved and it's traumatic instance would have complicating factors physically and psychiatric plea, but is there anything surprising in the data you found that made you shocked by it? >> i think the most striking thing to us where the $30 an dollar increase in spending stemming from direct medical care alone, in the first year after the fire arm injury. when you apply that to the roughly 85,000 survivors of non fatal firearm injuries in the country each year, that is roughly 2.5 billion dollars in additional spending due to direct medical care alone semi from firearm injuries. that is a large amount. you might imagine that applies to many other public health and social needs that our country faces, and that was certainly a striking implication. in addition, fellow members themselves faced and increase health care spending

immediately after their loved ones were shot, even though they themselves did not sustain the injury. >> let's go to the parkland trial quickly. you saw the victims statements, just heart-wrenching stuff. when you listen to that, does it affirm what you found a new study about the impacts of gun violence? is that the face of it? >> absolutely, one of the defining lessons that we drew from this were that the implications of gun violence extend from the 40,000 tragic deaths in the country each year to twice as many people shot but managed to survive in both their second -- economic and clinical defenses. and ultimately to employers, ensures and society as a whole. this large increase and how they're spending from non fatal fire arm injuries were paid by

and large by employers or medicare in our study, which, in fact, comes down to wages foregone or taxpayer dollars. when we listen to the stories of the family's in that show, we remember the human toll of each life touched by firearm injuries, well outside the scope of the deaths alone. i think for many years, as members of the public, when we hear about mass shootings or gun violence in general, we tend to mark these events in our memories but the number of people who died. although that is incredibly important and every lifeless, it deserves its legacy and memory, the fact that so many others, not just survivors but their family members are also touched in a profound way, but economically and couldn't agree, is something that will live with us. >> i just want to very quickly -- when i interviewed fred guttenberg about this, the father of a parkland victim, he

talked about his surviving child still struggles with that they, having been at the high school during the shooting. he wonders if anything could've been done to services there. can you speak very briefly about the psychological trauma that you witnessed among those family members who had victims of gun violence? >> certainly, the mental health effects of gun violence runs deep, and they are profound. the ripple effects are not in the immediate aftermath but extending well beyond into a year into our study and even longer and other studies on gun violence that has been published. families like the one that we observed are going through something that is unimaginable. the economic toll that many researchers have estimated do not go far enough to really capture the psychological and

family anguish that they are experiencing, tell us. i think as we move forward, it is paramount to book pay attention to the clinical implications of firearm injuries so we can better design our health care systems to respond anticipate the needs, but also to recognize that we ultimately, as a society, bear the cost of this through our employers, our insurers and our government and taxpayers. >> and our action. doctor dr. zirui song, thank you so much, really appreciate it, thank you for joining us. still ahead, a new update on congresswoman carolyn maloney's efforts to a gun manufacturers -- anufacturers -- ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ ♪ that's why we build technology

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