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to the senate's efforts for the association bill. plus, the ripple effects of the kansas bill to protect abortion rights. what it could signal for the midterms. and, what goes around, comes around. alex jones has been ordered to pay more than $49 million to the parents of a sandy hook shooting victim. let's get started. tonight, we begin with breaking news. the senate is in a rare, saturday night session, as democrats work to advance their sweeping health care, and climate bill, towards final passage. passage that could come as soon as this weekend. the bill, and the inflation reduction act, the i. r. a., would represent the largest climate investment in u.s. history. it will make major health policy by giving medicare the power, for the first time ever, to negotiate the prices of certain prescription drugs.

the package is the product of painstaking negotiations, and it would give democrats a chance to achieve major policy objectives. ones that they sought for decades. they could get them ahead of the midterms. vice president, kamala harris, casting the tie breaking vote on the motion to proceed. the senate has, officially, begun debating the legislation. joining me now, norman ornstein, who is an emerita scholar in american enterprise institute. he is also a contributing editor from the atlantic, and i will say this, he is, objectively, one of the foremost experts in all things the institution of congress. norm, thank you so much for joining us, i really appreciate it. let's just talk us through, as you understand it. the state of the legislation, at this very moment. what is in the bill, what is out of it? >> so, we know that there are a few things that have been removed from the original bill, that was put together by chuck schumer, and joe manchin. first, where some of the things

that were moved, and then additions put in, by kyrsten sinema, to get that crucial 58 vote. that included tax provisions. one, a 14 billion dollar provision to alter the carried interest tax break. basically, for hedge fund billionaires. but, it was replaced with some other taxes that will, actually, increase the revenue coming in. now, another was a change in the alternative minimum tax. the new minimum tax, for corporations, that would reduce revenue, somewhat, by basically allowing more depreciation by companies. manufacturing companies actually like that. but, we do know that there are major changes made by the parliamentarian. as you know, sam, when you do reconciliation, you actually have to have within it, provisions, to get this status, where you can deliver an

expedited vote. no filibuster -- robert byrd, when he was in the senate, made sure that this would only apply to things that dealt with the budget, with fiscal policy, and did not have, predominantly, other policy affects. they go through a process that is called, a bird bath. one part of a prescription drug benefit. one that would require drug companies to pay some more, if their prices went up faster than inflation for private insurers, which were taken out. but we have to emphasize is the things that were kept in. that includes all climate provisions, and that crucial set of provisions enabling medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices, and capping the cost for seniors on medicare, and drugs, to $2,000 per year, which is huge. >> it is interesting to watch an unelected bureaucrat, the parliamentary, and have all of this power. this gets to the necessity of

using reconciliation. the other procedural element that is happening, at least, we have what is being called, vote-a-rama. which is, and unlimited amendment vote that republicans can just subject the process to until, basically, tire out. that is how it goes. as we understand, most democratic senators, including joe manchin, seem to be on the same page. they will not vote for any amendments, even the ones that they support, in order to maintain the integrity of the bill. i guess my question, for you is, how long do you think this will take? do you think that democrats can hold the line in what, could be, a few very difficult, painstaking votes, designed, specifically, to make them feel political pinch? sure i want to emphasize, sam, this is not the typical amendment voting process, where you can have a debate on the amendments. there is no debate.

you bring up the amendment, it gets a vote. you bring up another, it gets a vote. and those votes, in some ways, have to be related to the substance of the bill. they have to be, as we say, jermaine. but, we know republicans will offer a lot of poison pill votes, in order to alter this delicate compromise that, has on board all 50 democrats, and not a single republican. whether democrats can keep that discipline together, i say, it is likely, but it's no sure thing. democrats and discipline? those are two things you don't often put in the same sentence. >> that's true. that lens me to my next question which is, the 30,000 for questioning. this process, it's been incredibly messy. i don't think anyone predicted it would take this long. maybe a few did. maybe a few predicted we would be of the spot, but not that many. the question, i suppose, in sheer political terms is, these

are, obviously, huge objectives that the democrats have sought for decades. will they, materially, impact the midterm elections, or are they too late for voters to register as having altered their lives, essentially? >> this is a remarkable ten days, or so, for joe biden, whose approval rating, we know, has been down in the 30s. we saw the president, and his team, and administration, take out the leader of al-qaeda. we have seen the passage of a few landmark bills, including, of course, helping veterans subjected to toxic chemicals, and dealing with the chip issue, which is a major part of our supply chain problems. this is, as joe biden would say, a b f d.

i think it is, likely, to give some momentum to democrats, because they are going to feel like, finally, the dam has broken. something good has happened. how much impact that has on november, it's not even that it's too late. things change, moment to moment, day today. who knows where the gas prices will shoot up again. we should add, we've got in some good news with these remarkable job numbers, would suggest, we are not heading into a recession over the next few months. but, for democrats to have good news, to unite to gather, to do something that many people thought, after the failures of build back better, manchin, sinema, not being on board, that you could get something this sweeping, and this climate change, and health care provisions, i think, must give democrats the sense they have some wind at their backs. if you put that together with the fallout from the abortion issue, you will talk about a little later on, i know, democrats must be feeling better than they were when they feared a bloodbath in november.

>> i think we can say be fda, but i don't know if we can say what bff the means on this evening program. norm, thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. we will be keeping an eye on the senate floor all night, bringing you any development on this bill as it happens. but, for now, we will turn to what has been a pivotal week over reproductive rights. today, indiana, the state became the first to adopt new abortion restrictions since the supreme overturned roe v. wade. governor eric holcomb, a republican, signed into law, senate bill one, prohibiting abortion at any stage of gestation, except in the cases of rape, incest, or when the pregnant person's life is at risk. but, to actually understand the significance of what's happening in indiana, you need to understand the seismic event that took place earlier this week, in kansas. a stunning 20 point margin,

kansas voters rejected a constitutional amendment that would've given officials the power to restrict, or ban, abortion in the state. the turnout was massive. it approach levels more typical for a general election. the pro-abortion side, outperforming joe biden's 2020 kansas vote share, and both traditionally blue areas, and in red, rural areas. this was the first time that voters had the chance to directly weigh in on abortion rights, since the supreme court overturned roe. as the outlet, politico, reported, that outcome in kansas has, radically, shaken up expectations for the midterms. so, as republicans, like those in indiana, pass further restrictions on abortion, the question is whether those efforts will backfire in november and beyond or, whether concerns about inflation, and president biden's leadership, are simply too great to change most electoral outcomes. here is one data point, indicating that democrats do have a fighting chance.

it comes in the form of new polling from suffolk university, saying, 64% of democrats say, overturning roe has made the more likely to vote in november. that is double the 29% of democrats who express that view before role was overturned. joining me now, to discuss all of this, is emily wales, the ceo of planned parenthood. emily, appreciate it. we just want your general reaction to what we said in kansas surge of voters, who just came out because they, basically, wanted to protect abortion access. what are you hearing from those on the ground about the lessons learned? cadences sent a message loud and clear that they are paying attention. they will not be deceived by what the legislature put on this ballot amendment. the language was confusing. we're taking lessons from, it when you tell voters the truth,

when you tell them what is at stake, if you trust them, if you communicate across the state. throughout this campaign, we talk to rural voters, we talk to voters in western kansas. we left nothing on the table, because we trusted them, to trust patience. it turns out, we were right. we were relieved, and thrilled, to be in this position. >> let's ask about those conversations, because i think the question that people in d. c. have, is when you talk to people in rural, western kansas, they obviously came out, and were receptive to the idea,, that you didn't want to change the states constitution. is there a difference between voting against a ballot measure, and voting against a candidate for office, who may be, wants to restrict abortion rights? >> there is some difference, i think. we saw from the numbers of people who participated in the republican primary, versus the democratic, that there, absolutely, we're crossover voters. there was independents, who came out only for this issue,

and republicans, who absolutely, voted to protect abortion access. at the same time, what it tells us is, running on reproductive rights can be winning issues. you don't need to hide your support, or couch it. if you say, i trust people to make private medical decisions, that resonates. at the end of the day, can cans in saw across the lines to missouri and oklahoma, where we not bands and effect. they see the crisis there. they see patients are scrambling. they did not want that crisis at home. what was the most effective messaging you used? was it about the need to protect abortion whether fear of government overreach and the potential that they would come for additional freedoms, like contraception or marriage or was it a mix of everything? >> absolutely, a mix. at the beginning of this campaign, we talked a lot about government overreach. that is because, i think, people were not even thinking

that roe v. wade could be overturned. they still felt, in kansas, that roe was unlikely to fall. there would still be some protection, so why would you need another. but, by the end of the campaign, at the fall of row, we took the patients, individual choices, and how abortion care affects peoples lives. that is because people saw, it was no longer that this was an additional protection, or separate protection, the constitutional protection was the only way they were keeping care long term. >> we have these restrictions in indiana pass today, and more or less, all of the midwest and is going to be in a war shun oasis, or lack of abortion services, except for kansas, which already has some strict regulations on abortion services. how do you interpret what the next couple of months will look like, and how it will shape that part of the country? will you see providers go into kansas, knowing that they have some protections, to try to prep people in that area? >> as you know, we already have

quite a few restrictions in the state of kansas we only have a few clinics we can get care right now. their providers around the country who are leaving states that have banned cared, to go to other states. for the most part, we don't see them head to kansas because, even with this vote, people know, abortion will remain a political issue. candidates will run on this, but i am hoping that kansas politicians, and politicians around the country, opened their eyes and see that it is not a winning issue to restrict people's individual freedoms. it is not a winning issue to pass cruel bans on abortion care. we will try to meet the need as much as we can, and see patients who need us, because, it is absolutely a crisis. we have patients who are traveling ten, 15 hours, some, from south texas, in their cars, overnight, trying to figure out how to get care. we are doing all we can, but this whole crisis is man-made. we never had to be in this position. legislatures are more focused

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agency, to agency, and find out that key messages have been deleted, something is going on here, that resembles, clearly, a conspiracy. >> joining me now, harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, and former deputy assistant attorney general. he is the host of the talking feds. not the talking heads, the talking feds, podcast. harry, thank you for joining me. let's start with the news of the department of defense wiping the phones of some former senior trump administration officials. we, the public, only know about this latest trove of missing texts, because the government watchdog group, american oversight, sued the d. o. d.. so, let's talk about this. how we got this information, what it means, and what we should imply from it. >> yes. all of those questions are murky, about where we should go from here, is not. the d. o. d., as you say, are the third agency.

all three of these agencies, with relevant information about january 6th. we already know, d. o. d. remember, trump reached out, and said, they should put troops at the ready, and maybe, sees machines. what we have, so far, is the self serving public statements by people who have a lot of squirrelly-ness and their backgrounds. you just have to get a half dozen people in a room, and they must be sworn. i think, actually, the inspector general are not the right place. but maloney says, they need to be sworn by people, with some criminal authority the best. i think, very possible here, is the department of justice. next to that, would be the congressional committee. this is not for the inspector general to say, was their agency failing to adhere to standards. this is possible crime. >> there is a committee in existence. it is the january six committee. they say that they are coming back in september with hearings, but,

we are also running against the clock, right? the likelihood that the house takes the republicans turn in the midterms. would you expect that that committee picks up on these threats, after the august recess, that this is a central component of, whatever hearing they planned, in september? >> hard to say, because they have many fish to fry. as you say, not much time to do it. in general, like with cipollone, they take what they can get. if the oig's are very cooperative, sure, they will do it. if not, it doesn't matter. it's a big enough, separate, scandal. it's almost like the big cover-up that is ancillary to what they are looking at. it needs to be looked into. the standing congressional committees, as well as the department of justice. liam panetta knows government when he says, there is a conspiracy out there, you need to pursue it, and he is right. >> to keep it centered on the hill for one second,

then we get to the justice component. because there is this new letter, congresswoman maloney, congresswoman thompson, new to their demand that joseph goof ari, the homeland security inspector general, that he step aside from the investigation. this week, it was revealed, he was previously accused of misleading federal investigators in running afoul of ethics regulations, while he was in charge of justice department inspector general's field office. so, what can be done? it doesn't look like you will step aside willingly. what should be done, if he decides not to? >> first, biden should fire him tomorrow. really, it is unclear why he is sticking around. he's a trump pulled over, which isn't enough to fire, but as you say, we do have previous issues. he's been squirrelly, and had this unwarranted arrogance about this all. at the very best scenario, for him, there are things to explain. he has some serious explaining to do, and

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>> that was breonna taylor's mother, tamika palmer, just moments after denounce federal charges against for current and former police officers in louisville, kentucky, in connection with the botched raid that led to breonna's death in 2020. the charges include conspiracy, use of excessive force and obstruction. joining me now is state representative keturah herron, who was instrumental in passing the breonna's law in kentucky, which limits the use of no knock warrants. thank you for joining us. were you surprised by the timing of them? >> yes, thank you for having me this evening. hearing the news of the indictments was a sigh of relief. we myself and the people in the community knew from the beginning that there should have been an indictment.

to finally get the call and to find out that these officers were going to be held accountable was a huge relief. for us in louisville, it is the first step in another long process. we will continue to work together and fight and make sure that breonna taylor continues to get justice. >> i want to play some of what attorney general merrick garland said when he announced charges, let's listen in now. >> we share, but we cannot fully imagine the grief felt by breonna taylor's loved ones and all those affected by the events of march 13th, 2020. breonna taylor should be alive today. >> we are two years after her death, but how significant is it to hear that from the nation 's chief law enforcement

officer? >> what he said is correct and what we have always known in louisville is that they never should have been at breonna taylor's apartment, that she should be alive today. miss tamika palmer at one point in time said that every day is march 13th, and that is something that will continue to greying throughout my head. for us here in kentucky, we knew that her fourth amendment rights had been violated, which is why the first thing we did here in louisville was to ban no knock warrants in the city. we know that it will be a long fight, but there is more work for us to do. we are dedicated to work with doj and other law enforcement to make sure that breonna taylor gets justice and also the other community members in louisville, who have been a harassed by the pd will also get justice. the next step is, are there

other people who have been served warrants or things happened based on the actions of the law enforcement officers? there is a lot more work to do, but we are dedicated to work together to get them. >> let's talk about the work to do. you've got the no knock warrant ban in the city. where does the political momentum to take it from there? you see any further action anywhere else in the state, even beyond your state? >> absolutely, last year in 2021, we were able to pass senate bill four, which did a partial ban on no knock warrants statewide in kentucky. we were able to do that with a republican majority, so the work is a lot, but i am assured that we continue to get work done. here for the city in louisville, we know that the doj is continuing to investigate the whole department. there has been other officers

charged with civil rights violations and other cases not related to breonna taylor. we will continue to do that. we have a mayor race coming up. we will go to the ballot box in november and make sure that we are elect a mare that knows and understands to our police department has to have some trust with the community. that will be a lot of work, it'll be a lot, and take a lot to happen but we are dedicated to making sure that we do that. >> kentucky state representative keturah herron, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it. coming up, alex jones's lies about sandy hook finally catching up to him? i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.

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after years of calling the shooting a hoax, he testified under oath at a defamation hearing last week, he finally admitted the truth. >> do you understand now that it was absolutely irresponsible of you? >> it was, especially since i met the parents. it's 100 percent real. >> a jury ordered alex jones to pay more than 45 million in punitive damages to the family of a sandy hook shooting victim. earlier, the same jury order jones to pay the same family another 4. 1 million and compensatory damages for the suffering joneses caused. elizabeth williamson is a reporter for the new york times and author of sandy hook, an american tragedy and the battle for truth. she joins me now to discuss all this. elizabeth, let's talk about the outcome of the trial.

did we expect such a sizeable win for the plaintive? i know they were asking for more, but this was a lot. >> yeah, especially for texas, this is a lot. there has been a lot of talk about how damages in the punitive category are kept at 750,000 per plaintiff, that would be for each of the parents, nil and scarlet. this is a symbolic judgment that the lawyers for them are saying that they are going to test and try to get as much of this money as they can for the families. regardless, it's not only an unexpected financial win, but it is also a moral victory for the parents, what they really wanted to do was to strike a blow against disinformation and viral false narratives that alex jones is the chief purveyor of. >> i would like to step back for a second. how did we get to this point? it is not normal for a person

to write in a defamation suit, let alone a child. what is it about this case that got us to this point where jones who's actually forced to deal with these punitive rulings? >> it was a long road. the family -- 's again, there are three trials. this is the first of three for damages. where we began was the families of ten sandy hook victims filed four separate lawsuits in texas and connecticut. those were later consolidated into three. alex jones stonewalled for the better part of four years, just refusing to submit testimony, stonewalling on submitting documents, business records that would have given them a window into his business dealings and his success in the run up to trial. so, late last year, judges in all those cases, so in two states, default to him, which meant he was liable and although suits. he was ruled to have already

defamed the family's. these are trials for damages, and the sole responsibility of the jury in these trials, again, this was the first of three, is to determine how much he must pay the families in damages. >> i have a two part question for you, i guess. one is are you surprised that he ultimately conceded that it was not a hoax? he could've kept a charade going, i suppose. and then, secondly, what do you think it was like for the families, not just this one but all the families to watch this trial proceed knowing that your antagonists is sitting there and finally conceding that the lies he told realize? >> on the first part, i am surprised that was made such a big deal of because alex jones throughout the process has

periodically said, i know that people died. i know that 26 people died. i know that sandy hook happened, and then it is always a backhanded thing, but there are questions, but some things do not add up. i had no soap opera actors when i see them. he always acts the sort of but. he was doing that in court to. he came up to the family's, introduce himself, said he was sorry, and then he said, but. he was not given an opportunity to finish descends, but that is one thing. it was very powerful for the families to face off with him in court. they had been waiting to do this for years. especially when scarlett testified, our louis, jesse lewis's mom, it was extremely powerful. she, for the better part of 90 minutes, just addressed every answer to him sitting there. he was squirming, he was sweating, he would not look at

her, it was an extraordinary moment. >> the other extraordinary moment for those watching the trial was when it was revealed that alex jones's own attorney had, i guess, accidentally turned over his phone records to the lawyer arguing against jones. part of me is wondering, has this ever happened before. was it possibly delivered that he wanted to undermine his own client? would you make of the moment -- >> this is when we turn into conspiracy theorists. >> i don't want to become alex jones here, but what did you make of the moment, because i've never seen anything like that in court? >> that was unbelievable. just a look on his face because the brought point i think being made here, that obviously, the contents of the text messages is a source of great curiosity, including to law enforcement, but i think the really interesting moment for the

families and these cases was that he had spent almost four years saying, i have no text messages. i don't have anything in my phone. i might have changed my phone, blah blah. there he was, sitting there, he's a typical lawyer, that is your perry mason moment. the guy was sweating through his shirt. he just could not believe this. it was sort of like truth is hard, truth is really hard. the world got to see alex jones finally confronted with it, and he had nothing to say. >> people are going to mind those text messages, including, potentially, the january six committee. elizabeth williamson, thank you so much for all your down on the story, i appreciate your insight tonight to. coming up, as we saw with the alex jones case, the total of gun violence goes well beyond

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>> jeez, meanwhile, a new study published in the annals of eternal medicine finds at the aftermath of covax goes far beyond the number of wounded. the study found it a four fold increase in health care spending as a direct result of a non fatal fire arm injury, along with a substantial increase in physical pain and major spikes in psychiatric support and substance abuse support. those effects could be seen in victims family members. joining me now is the doctor who conducted that study, doctor dr. zirui song, the associate professor of health care policy and medicine at harvard medical school. doctor song, thank you so much. walk us through some of the key takeaways you have in it. >> sure, thank you, sam, i appreciate you having me and your attention to this very important public policy and public health problem. we looked at about the 605,000 survivors of firearm injuries

and 12,000 other family members from one year before the fire arm injury to one year after. these were all firearm injuries that were non fatal. we found that in the first year, survivors of non fatal firearm injuries had a 50% increase of mental health disorders, 85% increase of substance use order and 45% of pain. defense members were not on skate, despite not being shot themselves. that the members of survivors experience they told percent increase in mental health disorders that were stained through the first year. >> quickly, the definition of firearm injury in this case is what, in grazed by a bullet? or is it something different? >> my colleagues and i looked up both intentional and unintentional firearm injuries, which include police shootings, accidental firearm injuries in the home, homicides, suicide attempts and anything that

might be categorized in a political setting as a firearm injury. >> what is the most surprising thing? obviously, we'll not obviously, it makes sense that they would have complicating factors, physical and psychiatric. is there anything surprising the data that you found that made you shocked by it? >> i think the most shocking thing was the 30,000 dollar increase from direct middle care cost alone in the first year after a fire alarm injury. when you apply that to the roughly 85,000 survivors of non fatal firearm injuries in the country each year, that is roughly 2. 5 billion dollars in additional spending due to direct medical care alone stemming from firearm injuries. that is a large amount. you might imagine that applies to many other public health and social needs that our country faces, and that was certainly a striking implication. in addition, family members

themselves faced and increase health care spending immediately after their loved ones were shot, even though they themselves did not sustain the injury. >> let's go to the parkland trial quickly. you saw the victims statements, just heart-wrenching stuff. when you listen to that, does it affirm what you found a new study about the impacts of gun violence? is that the face of it? >> absolutely, one of the defining lessons that we drew from this were that the implications of gun violence extend from the 40,000 tragic deaths in the country each year to twice as many people shot but managed to survive in both their economic and political consequences. to the family members and mental health and ultimately to employers, and society as a whole this large increase and how they're spending from non fatal fire arm injuries were paid by and large by employers

or medicare in our study, which, in fact, comes down to wages foregone or taxpayer dollars. when we listen to the stories of the family's in that show, we remember the human toll of each life touched by firearm injuries, well outside the scope of the deaths alone. i think for many years, as members of the public, when we hear about mass shootings or gun violence in general, we tend to mark these events in our memories but the number of people who died. although that is incredibly important and every life loss deserves its legacy and memory, the fact that so many others, not just offramp's -- supporters of their family members are also touched in a profound way, but economically and politically, is something that we will live with us >> i just want to very quickly -- when i interviewed fred

guttenberg about this, the father of a parkland victim, he talked about his surviving child still struggles with that they, having been at the high school during the shooting. he wonders if anything could've been done to services -- save his sister. can you speak very briefly about the psychological trauma that you witnessed among those family members who had victims of gun violence? >> certainly, the mental health effects of gun violence runs deep, and they are profound. the ripple effects are not in the immediate aftermath but extending well beyond into a year into our study and even longer in other studies on gun violence that has been published families like the one that we observed are going through something that is unimaginable. the economic toll that many researchers have estimated do not go far enough to really capture the psychological and

family anguish that they are experiences tell us. i think as we move forward, it is paramount to book pay attention to the clinical implications of firearm injuries so we can better design our health care systems to respond and anticipate the needs, but also to recognize that we ultimately, as a society, bear the cost of this through our employers, our insurers and our government and taxpayers. and our inaction. doctor dr. zirui song, thank you so much, really appreciate it, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> still ahead, a new update on congresswoman carolyn maloney efforts to hold gun manufacturers accountable. table. i didn't wait. i could've delayed telling my doctor i was short of breath just reading a book... but i didn't wait. they told their doctors. and found out they had... atrial fibrillation. a condition which makes it about five times more likely to have a stroke.

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update from last week's show. house oversight committee chairman carolyn maloney spoke about her intention to -- subpoena gun manufacturer, smith and wesson. after the company ceo refused to provide her panel about the companies profits and marketing strategies. here is with the chairwoman pulled ayman. >> we requested documents that he failed to get us. he also said he would testify, and every time we changed the date for him to testify. he said he wasn't going to testify. so we want to hear his explanations also. these gun manufacturers have