headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. i am cory coffin. it is nearly 13 hours of senate debate on the inflation production act. the overnight marathon vote-a-rama session is still underway. that includes five major buckets like tax reform, climate investment, deficit reduction, drug pricing, reform and health care subsidies. democrats are standing firm, but meghan all attempts to change the bill. including amendments on climate change and health care with senator bernie sanders. he says he will support the bill, but democrats are missing a unique opportunity to do more. >> we only need 50 votes. we don't have to get 60 votes. we don't need any republican votes, to do something significant for working families in this country. and unfortunately for fairly well-known reasons, we have two conservative democrats, we could not get the 50 votes that we, need really, to impact the

needs of working families. >> meanwhile, republicans push for amendments in support of cold lines and reducing gas taxes. and even against hiring more irs agents. >> they are going to be collecting about close to 740 billion dollars in new tax revenue over the next supposedly 5 to 10 years, but most certainly it is not going to help get us through a tight time. certainly it is not the time in which we start adding additional government employees. talking 87,000 more irs employees. i don't think very many american citizens are going to want to see that. >> the vote-a-rama will continue for at least the next few hours before the bill is expected to pass the senate. it will come up for a final house vote on friday, and president biden is expected to sign it as soon as it passes. biden has left the white house for the first time since testing positive for covid-19. he traveled -- to for union with first lady jill biden. meanwhile, new warning to

donald trump or one of his allies. trump emerged as a leading gop candidate for the 2020 for presidency. he won the straw poll among attendees for the conservative political action conference in dallas. but if he runs, it is a hand says he won't stop the big lie. >> i don't believe the election was stolen. but talking about 2020 is not what people want to hear. he likes hearing it i tell president trump if you want to present 2024, focus on solving the problems americans are living with. >> with, that last ever them intended over to julie tsirkin. how much progress has a senate made at this hour, julia, and i've been covering it all night. >> our 13 this vote aroma has been going all night, and they are beginning to get a bit tired. i ask once in their how long he thinks this is going to take before they get to the final. he told me at least until about two or 3 pm. so it's kind of a loose timeline.

we are working on it here. and we take a listen to senator graham and hassan overnight. obviously the lack of sleep getting the better of them, republicans forcing hard votes on democrats. listen in. >> this is phony and cynical. they would not let you do this in professional wrestling. if you think people are this dumb, you are going to be sadly mistaken. what's she is doing is trying to strike the provisions that you just voted against, but they require 60 votes, so she can vote for appealing a tax bill they just voted against. when you are doing is, deceitful it is dishonest, and we are going to call you out. >> mister president, i will just note the inaccuracy of what was said on the floor about the substance of this. >> now, hassan is a vulnerable democrat up in november.

so obviously we see this is getting a little bit testy between those democrats that are vulnerable up in the midterms coming up. one thing to mention is they did take some votes to really change the bill. senators -- will consider drawing to democrats to vote for a bill, not for medicare, it will not affect, seniors but other americans that rely on on insulin to manage the diabetes. they are not going to have a cap on that drug. because republicans voted to strip that out of the bill. no, one quick thing here is that senator -- 's meeting with senators sinema and manchin as well. there were some concerns from the arizona congressman that this could affect small businesses. senator biden last night told me that he pushed back on, that they will only affect businesses making over a billion dollars a year in process profits. so it is no real cause for concern at this moment. >> the next couple, hours to be optimistic, thank you for

giving us opted overnight. let's bring in democratic senator chris mullin of maryland. we appreciate you being in. busy 24 hours and exhausting 24 hours no doubt. for 24 hours since the senate session began. how are you feeling right now and what is your take on how close you guys all are to the finish line? >> well, you are right, it has been a long days journey into the night. i have my caffeine here to keep me going. and i do not know exactly how much longer we are going to take. i think the estimates you mentioned is very possibly close to 3:00 at this rate. no signs of slowing down now this point. but i am confident that at the end of the day we will pass this very important bill for the american people. >> for the american people, can you give us a sense of what this will actually do for americans? we have heard the main talking points, but how was intangibles? >> the prescription drug he's

is very tangible. medicare. side we are finally after decades of trying getting medicare that has the power to negotiate drug prices. we will drive down prices for seniors on medicare, for example in my state of maryland we have one billion seniors on medicare. they are also the tangible benefits when it comes to climate change, helping consumers with rebates to make their homes more energy efficient, and that will save them on heating bills and cooling bills. when it comes to the climate investments, lots of opportunities for good paying jobs. this will also drive down the deficit, which is why you have people like former treasury secretary larry summers, the secretaries of the treasury saying put downward pressure up on inflation. >> once one provision could have the most impact on your

constituents? >> that is a tough. one when it comes to seniors, i hear from seniors all the time that they are unable to make the payments on their drugs, and they have to forego other necessities and this will put a cap of $2,000. but in terms of the climate, this is a step forward. and just three weeks ago, we did not think we were going to be here. we will get a 40% reduction in carbon pollution. greenhouse gas pollution. between now in the year 2030. which is not as much as in our original bill, but it is very close to us and it puts us -- >> a lot of positives to focus. on and it does not come without some challenges. your colleague senator bernie sanders expressed some disappointment, setting the congressional budget office. he said that the legislation does little to fight inflation or help american struggling to afford health care. childcare. housing.

he also told my colleague ali velshi earlier that he is worried the democrats have not done as much as they should, or as they could. how do you see it? >> well, look. bernie and i were both in favor of the larger package to begin with. but the reality is we are a lot ahead of where we thought we were three weeks ago. and this is still a very big deal for the american people. prescription drugs, i mentioned, they are very big ill for seniors. the climate provisions, in aggregate, are going to get as much closer to our target. and they deficit reduction is real and we do that by closing a lot of tax loopholes. not as many as i would like to see, but certainly we have a broken tax system and we are finally seeing saying to be corporations they have to pay their fair share. many make zero income taxes in recent years. >> the mind blows thinking about something like that. is the loopholes that they've

been able to achieve, which have not been closed as of yet. the inflation reduction act here would be the latest -- for congress, passing legislation on guns, burn pits, even the ships bill among other things. do you see this as a fulfilled campaign promise of more bipartisanship under this administration? or do you feel that this is more about your colleagues getting stuff done despite a slip split senate? how much of all of these winds will help democrats in the midterms, as well? >> well, i think they will help because i think the american public is watching what we are doing, and they see that we are making progress on issues they care about. is really a mix of the things you said. we have the bipartisan project, we have the gun safety legislation that was a bipartisan bill. as you mentioned, we passed the ships and science bill so we could see all these supercharge investment, cutting technologies, better compete with china. and for veterans who've been exposed to toxins and burn pits

and other places, that is also a big achievement. but today i wish we had republicans joining us. they talk a lot about inflation, they talk to seniors, they talk about the high cost of prescription drugs. but they have been a wall when it comes to this effort, and as your reporter just indicated, we have a vote to cap the price of insulin at $35 a month. millions of americans, they need insulin. and yet we are not able to get -- we only got seven republican senators, and we need a ten under the rules we are operating under. so we wish our republican colleagues would join us and we hope the voters will pay attention as we are waiting for these things to stop. >> i know you said at the beginning of this interview that was really hard to predict what is going to go through the rest of today. if you give us a ballpark, when you think we can expect -- today? >> i really don't know, because

i've been off a couple times already. but i do think by two or 3:00 it should be able to wrap it up. again, no sign of things slowing down at this point. as i said at the beginning, my biggest prediction is that at the end of the day, we will be able to pass this very important deal for the country. >> the timing on that is tbd, to be deterrence. really quickly senator, i want to switch gears. i want your thoughts on what is happening with china right now, these drops to see around taiwan. are you concerned about this escalating? >> i am concerned that china is escalating. and essentially they use speaker pelosi as a pretext to ratchet up tension in the taiwan straits. president izzy, he is out before the boarding congress, seeking unprecedented third term this october. i see this saber rattling, just

stopping in that part of the effort. because we have had many delegations go to taiwan. we've had a speaker in the past go to taiwan. there's just no justification. for speaker pelosi said earlier that she wasn't changing policies with respect to china and taiwan. >> senator chris van halen, we appreciate your time, today we know you've to get back out there on the floor, and continue to fuel -- is a marathon, not a sprint. >> that's, me ready to go. >> there you go. we would now like to bring in our panel, ceo of pine street strategies. susie percio, msnbc political analyst analyst. individually, for more republican congressman from florida and msnbc political contributor. welcome into all of you. let's continue to break this down. it looks like democrats are presenting a united front here. is this beloved on deal? >> it feels like it is. republicans will continue to

offer their amendments, and even some of the more liberal democrats will continue to offer their amendments. but it sounds like chuck schumer and the white house have their deal done. it is a very good deal. i was not the six sides as -- remember, the gun, kill a few people. no but this is a substantial part of it. a 15% minimum income tax on corporations, yes, corporations are going to take another couple years to learn to get around. it but that is substantial. that has a really income over the next couple of years. i like the incentives for electric vehicles, for retrofitting homes in terms of weatherizing them against the effects of climate change, which we are starting to see in a lot of the core communities. but one cannot understate the magnitude of giving medicare for the first time in american history. well, for the first time since milligrams per. nothing i want to -- serve giving it the power to negotiate with pharmaceutical makers or prescription drug prices. that is something that is going to hit people's pockets and a positive way. it is a real education table issue. the democrats have got to

package these victories and take them to the stump in october, september and october, to free up the midterms. i think it is up substantial bill. >> i want to, play now, something that senator chris coons can be summed up on the talk shows today. let's listen in here. >> president biden is soon going to sign into law the biggest veterans health care bill we have ever done. which deals with burn pit injuries for those who served in iraq and afghanistan. he is about to sign the chips package, a bipartisan bill that make significant advancements in onshore, bringing back advance manufacturing, things like semiconductor chips. they also ordered the strike that killed the leader of al-qaeda, and recently provided over some great job, news as i just said. i am confident that this bill can get to his gas. last point, we just passed here in recent days, a guns and mental health bill that has been with us 13 billion dollars in community mental health. this is a whole string of winds

that impact issues that really matter to american families. >> susan, this feels like a pretty formidable message for democrats in the fall. how are republicans going to get out of this? >> it is a big message for the fall. and the only thing republicans have to keep their head on, is inflation. americans are still hurting. american families are still hurting. if this act does reduce inflation, it will be a home run for the democrats. i still do not think it will be enough to keep the house, when -- republicans to pick up in a midterm election. but it is a big message. i think the other thing that happens, or two things that happen in less than two weeks. one is mitch mcconnell got -- on the burn pit legislations. with egg on his face, they insisted the republicans have to take a vote on it, and it

passed. the other is not passing the insulin cap at $35. my gosh, that would've been a home run for everybody, and it would've shown the republicans are willing to work with the other side, when peoples bottom lines are at stake. we heard early in the hour, there is not a member of anyone's family that -- someone who has dealt with insulin in the high cost of it. that is another big thing for republicans. >> especially when several republican colleagues there in the senate have touted wanting to reduce medical costs, and try to make that as a part of their own platform. david, let's talk numbers. the latest appear to show the tide is turning for democrats. just look at these headlines here this weekend. republican prospects dimming, and you holding averages putting democrats and republicans in a dead heat for control of congress. how do you interpret these, is it too soon to get excited for democrats? >> it is not too soon. i would suggest that the trend is your friend, to my

democratic friends. and the reason why it is important, gloria, sometimes elections simply come down to contrast. the contrast between the two parties. i think the victories, the legislative victories that senator referred to, it is exactly the message for democrats right now. look, a lot of what they are doing, frankly, 95% of what is in the bill today will pass, will not impact the economy or the american voters before november. but that is okay, that is the typical process of legislating medicare prescription drugs, it's only a handful of drugs that can be negotiated. that is in 2026. but what it represents is a contrast in values. and what the democratic party has been able to do in the last month's say this is what we told you we would stand for, we did, we got it done. meanwhile, republicans are dealing with the dog that caught the car, if you will, the dobbs case regarding abortion rights. we are dealing with the reemergence of donald trump and the january six catastrophe, or

injury on the american republic. the contrast is actually pure in this moment. i think that is what you are seeing in the new polls. that is the message that democrats need to stay on. because this message, on the economy, the democrats will still face headwinds. if it's about the contrast of the values within the parties, democrats will keep winning. >> okay, very interesting. david, susan and on. stick around, we will have you back later on in this hour. we appreciate our panel. in a moment, the plot twist nobody saw coming, what it could mean for the january six committee? the new legal implications of alex jones's text message records. records. allow monitoring of productivity at remote job sites, enable ai cameras that spot factory issues in real time, using next-generation speed. and deliver ultra-capacity 5g coverage that's years ahead of the competition. t-mobile for business has 5g that's ready right now.

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conservative political action conference is wrapping up. donald trump won this cpac stronghold, meaning attendees choose him as their preferred republican nominee in 2024. nbc's gary from back is there

for us. when we hearing from some of that significant win? >> yes, cory. it was significant to be sure, probably the least surprising thing we heard from cpac all week. let's look at these results, now. 69% of attendees say they would vote for donald trump if he ran in 2024. and if he does not run, they are interested in ron desantis, all the way here. he was noticeably absent from this conference. another top line that i think is really interesting is who the attendees thought would be the democratic nominee in 2024. gavin newsom, the california governor won by double digits and was followed by former first lady michelle obama and then president joe biden getting 8% of the vote, former secretary of state hillary clinton getting 8% as well. this whole week has been filled with speakers which included election deniers, people spreading misinformation about vaccines, and people who were really spreading a dark picture

of america. president trump was included in that. here is what he had to say last night. >> as we gather tonight, our country is being destroyed, more from the inside then out. america is on the edge of an abyss, and our movement is the only force on earth that can save it. this movement, right here. what we do in the next few months, the next few years will determine whether american civilization will collapse or fail, or whether it will triumph, thrive. frankly, like never before. >> and cory, you never know what you will find it cpac. this year, they featured a unique exhibit which went viral online. you might see it, think silent disco, but instead of music coming out of your headphones, interviews with january six defendants who are currently sitting in the d.c. jail

awaiting trial, awaiting sentencing. instead of a dj up front, it is a crime january six defendant in a jail cell. >> wow. talk about political theater. gary graham back, thank you very much for your report out of dallas. all right, far-right conspiracy theorists alex jones could soon be an even more hot water. in his defamation trial earlier this week, jones was ordered to play -- a $45 million to the family of the boy killed in the sandy hook school shooting. now, his cell phone data inadvertently sent to the lawyer, suing him on behalf of sandy hook parents, might soon end up in the hands of those with the january six committee. possibly exposing jones's prosecution in connection with the capitol attack. now joining me to talk all about this, then east of alice, criminal defense attorney and nbc legal analyst. denny, thank you for being here. this is a fantastic story, a cross pollination of two major headlines over here. jones and his cell phone data appear that he lied about sandy

hook and his finances. now the january six committee wants these texts, because of remarks like this, listen here. >> president trump, in the early morning hours today tweeted that he wants the american people to march on washington d.c. on january six, 2021. he is now calling on we, the people, to take action, to show our numbers. the time for games is over. the time for action is now. >> now, jones testified before the committee back in january, reportedly pleading the fifth amendment 100 times. how could these phone records be any different? are these texts in any ways protected under the fifth amendment? >> in all likelihood, no. the real problem for jones is that they were disclosed to a third party, albeit by his attorneys who then apparently felt they could take advantage of texas and they snap back safety provision, which allows them to get back those evidence,

those documents. in this case, digital evidence. they did not do it for whatever reason. so now, alex jones, had a very difficult time arguing that this data, this tranche of information contained in his cell phone, by the way, all of us have tremendous information about our personal, professional lives in our cell phones, iphones, whatever our cell phone is. so now, jones is in a difficult position, because that data is out there, so to speak. and in control of the third party, not him. really at this point, it would be wise to negotiate, at least with the january six committee if they are interested in looking at anything. >>ry not a grand jury, they cant charge anyone criminally. it might work to his benefit to start cooperating. >> what exactly will the committee be looking for in his text messages? >> any connection, as the committee has been looking for the entire time. the committee is trying to dry connection between the people who stormed the capitol, and the people who interfered with the orderly transfer of power

after the election, and those who denied it and went beyond what you could normally do, lawfully, to deny or challenge on election. and it goes to trump, or the people in his immediate circle. alex jones is a big name in this circle, so to speak. and any communications between him and anyone else on a january six committee will be looking at will be a tremendous interest to the january six committee. and arguably, the doj as well. >> what is your understanding about his ties to the former president and his allies? why do we know as far as his alleged involvement in two pro trump rallies, where the oath keepers provided security? >> here is the thing. the oath keepers is one group that alex jones has reportedly had connections to. so the next question is looking at that data, but information contained in an iphone, depending how far back it goes, usually emails, text messages, instagram direct messages, whatever. all of those, each of those is

a possible communication with a group or set of people that the january six committee finds interesting. and of course, using those as security in general, the oath keepers, is not a wise idea. they will look at information, communications back and forth between those folks as well. and that is really what the january six committee is, what the cell phone does. in the community, and this will allow lines to be connected, if there are indications putting alex jones and say, i do not know, rudy giuliani, or anyone else in trump's inner circle. that would not bode well for trump. that>> all right, danny we are t of time. , actually i think that. danny >> you didn't lose me. somebody called me and myself, phone if you can believe. that >> technology. it happens. give me this final answer here for you. no legal implications with the -- who refuses to cooperate, but about the department of justice. could these text messages have any -- there?

>> remember, alex jones floated the idea of a deal for immunity with the doj. his reaches ardently diminished now that the information has been -- in the hands of somebody else. if you are going to seal the deal back, that you might even be more willing to deal, now that he also has the leverage, no longer controls the information or the narrative. >> there you go. thank you. i've, next fall from nancy pelosi's visit to taiwan. how is the white house taking jewelry beijing's bulletin response? in response

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news on capitol hill. live look at the senate floor right now, with lawmakers going back and forth on the right inflation reduction act. at this, our democratic senators have struck down more than two dozen amendments from republicans. there are still at least a dozen more on the table. no word yet on whether the so-called vote-a-rama will and. the bill is expected to pass

the party lines. we will keep you up-to-date here on msnbc. for now, let's bring in peter baker, msnbc political analyst and correspondent for the new york times. peter, welcome. and you have reported on several administrations over the, years you have extensive knowledge in all of this. give us a hint about how this all, is not just for democrats in the country but for -- as well. >> it is very important for president biden and his democratic, allies because they've been struggling so hard for so long to get such a big domestic package through. obviously of the infrastructure bill through the last year. but the president to do something really big to we aren't american government in society. a very large ticket passage last year. it went nowhere. i think that father to get it through and something which has weighed on his opponent which are so low right now, because it looks like it was not able to accomplish what he wants -- this is something that is part of something that will reverse that. he's not getting everything he wants. it is only a small version of

what he originally proposed. but it is a big bill in the. and if only the judge gets his own merits, he'd be, like that is a big big bill. with the leg not, he's very important. on climate, change health care, prescription drugs, corporate tax. all these things are big priorities for the democrats. it is the timing that's as good from, heading into the fall. so we can deliver for you, even as he is facing headwinds as the campaigns. come >> you mentioned the presidents approval numbers, i want to talk a bit more about that. this potential passage of this bill. it is the latest addition of a growing list of -- in the white house starting this week. and they last several days, a u.s. drone strike killed ayman al-zawahiri. the latest jobs report was much better than expected. gas prices are dropping at an alarming rate. do you think -- will lift biden's approval numbers enough to give him some steven 2024? >> that is the real question here, and we didn't really know the answer. usually by this point in the political cycle, we dynamics of

the campaign are pretty locked in. it is hard to change peoples minds once they've made them up. but it is a good streak of winds for the president, which he has not had a lot of over the blast few months. one thing builds on another in politics. it is possible he is able to take these on the road. now that he has been released from isolation, for his rebound of covid, he plans to get out there and highlight these successes. there are signing ceremonies in the rose garden, tuesday and wednesday for the bill. exciting medical care for veterans exposed to burn pits, investing in the semiconductor industry. he has got to have this big event, if he does have this latest amongst expanding a tax package through as well. we will see if it makes a difference, it may not. or may not make enough of a difference. but obviously i hope this is the beginning of something which will change the direction of the presidency. >> the last thing he probably wants to be talking about is anything negative, including what is happening with china right. now he is facing some international challenges this week, the president. is china lashing out in the

wake of house speaker nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan. on, friday toronto said it would see some military and climate change conversations with the united states, and imposed actions on pelosi and her family. on top of, that china has been conducting military drills in taiwan that seem to be escalating, or at least reports from taiwan. or what should the white house next steps likely be here? >> with the white house is trying to do is keep things from going too far. he thinks we are escalating. they expected trying to react this way. pelosi did go there. they were just assume pelosi, not because they urge consumed with the ukraine war right now. the idea to large geopolitical crises at the same time, nobody wanted in the situation room. but they recognize that china was going to have trouble with these things. the problem is not a direct attack on taiwan, but letting something get out of hand. some kind of encounter between aircrafts tornado vessels in the area. which could spill into a larger conflict.

then, the long term worry for the white house is whether or not this means we are heading into a, longer more sustained period of conflict. and cold conversation when it comes to taiwan. especially heading into the november fall congress, when we are -- without their term. is he going to be able to keep up opportunities casings on domestic politics? >> when it comes to the long term impact here on the white house, what is your cost-benefit analysis of pelosi's trip? >> i think if you put a -- on the white house it was a does not worth the cost. it is not something they are to do, they would tell you publicly. they certainly didn't tell her not to. it is up to her to make her own decisions. but clearly the language of the private conversations in the white house, they don't think it accomplished anything. it made them real tied up at a time when they wanted to focus on ukraine. , china by the way, is important terms of the ukraine war. china has help from russia. things like drones, moscow

going to land, because -- they are not able to get them or china, even the chinese kind of on russia's side, they've not been quite as helpful as the russians would like them to. be the question for the white house is, is this going to push them to be more in russia's plant. they want to tell them publicly not to go, because i don't think that they can do. that biden, having spent 36 years in the senate, we can actually independently congressional branch. >> as much as it was nancy pelosi's right to go there, there are all these additional implications, including this additional one with russia. we have not even touched on yet. we are out of time senator baker, but thank you so much. there is a new warning of potential disaster at a nuclear plant in ukraine. we are watching the senate working overtime, moving slowly towards the past inflation would auction act of 2020. when we hear inflation results on the actual, bill will bring that to you live. we are back.

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fired shots. the suspect remains at. large it is not clear whether he was hit. in more than 700 flights, the u.s. today are canceled after several issues. the numbers keep going up as far as the cancellations go. this is the fourth straight day of massive cancellations and delays after gonna homes pounded major airports on the east coast. more than 600 flights were canceled on saturday, as well as one of the worst days of summer travel season. we are going to turn now to the war on ukraine, a cargo vessel carrying 66,000 tons of -- left ukraine. today russia agencies also say that another few ships and cultural products left the ship today. meanwhile, added the international atomic energy agency is the warning of potential disaster nuclear plant in ukraine. it is now in russian hands and heavy shelling there could risk radiational or worse. nbc's morgan chesky's and eastern ukraine for us with an update on the developing situation there, morgan, it is

fairly serious. >> yes, kawhi. one of the reasons this is so concerning is that this plane is not just the largest in ukraine, but in all of europe. it is located just a few hour south of us in the hotly contested area of zaporizhzhia. now, the plan fell under russian control back in march. but the series of explosions has now ignited blame in fear of potential nuclear catastrophe. fears arising about the -- of the uk's largest nuclear plant. it has sparked concern about potential disaster. >> when we have been supreme court, we have in ukraine, the situation is really really volatile. >> united nations nuclear watchdog saying that every principle of nuclear safety have been violated. their biggest concern, shelling, making it too dangerous for inspectors to affect the damage. ukraine is accusing russia of using the planes near the city was a reaches as a cover.

allowing russia to shell nearby -- without retaliation. ukraine's president is outraged. >> this is the largest plant on our continent. the initials of this factory is open. it is a brazen crime, an act of terror. >> all of this is what keeps up it's slow march across the eastern part of ukraine. the fighting showing no sign of letting up. the nearby town of nicole hit hard this saturday, rocket strike injuring three and damaging up to 40 homes, as well as they can to run a classroom. >> these are the governors for the helmets. >> meanwhile, just an hour to half of the front lines, volunteers in the city of both have a collective and creating whatever they can to help equip ukrainian soldiers. >> you are fighting for them? >> yes. they fight for me, i fight for them. >> now, as of this morning officials say that it does not appear any of these factors are damaged, or that there is been any leak of radiation.

the longer this plant remains in russian hands, the bigger of a problem it poses for ukraine, especially come wintertime. this relies on nuclear energy for more than half of its power. we will send it back to you. >> morgan chesky, thank you, next. we will talk about unexpected outcomes and this washington post headline exchange for -- the states, reluctant to work there. a new sign that -- may play a bigger role in the midterms than some republicans ever thought. thought than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. (woman) oh. oh! hi there. you're jonathan, right? the 995 plan! yes, from colonial penn. your 995 plan fits my budget just right. excuse me? aren't you jonathan from tv, that 995 plan?

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identifies abortion access as a key negative for republicans in battleground states. the memo from the democratic congressional campaign committee says that an average of 38 polls show a 4 to 5 point swing after roe was overturned.

democrats now leading the generic congressional ballot at 44.7%, while republicans are at 42 and a half percent. all, right my panel is back to flush all of this out. don calloway season bill for ceo and david dolly, welcome back in. don, this appears to be even better than the 5:38 average that has both parties in a dead heat at 44.2%. or women driving the swing for democrats? >> i'm not really sure. i am confused on this. five want to be excited by the dam rallying cry, which is that this is going to get the think act crowd all excited. if we're counting on suburban white women to carry the day here, i just don't know that that can be what is going to win it for democrats. i think we have to count on the communities that have carried the democratic party for the last 30 years. white women go either way, that's with the numbers show. as 52% voted for trump. we can never really count on them to carry the day here. i am excited by what we are

seeing out of kansas. democrats have to start ramping up, particularly as we go back -- we have to get up the vote efforts. we have to start showing our exciting candidates and we have to start drying that contrast as david talked about in the last segment, between what democrats stand for and what republicans stand for. this isn't it an exciting opportunity politically but we have to get the best or gets out there to draw the contrast and we can't hang our heads exclusively on abortion because we will rely on a segment which is not reliable for democrats. >> or set our sights specifically on what polls are, showing we know there's been fallacies doing that in the past. susan, we want to take a look at the kansas turnout. in the 2018 governor's race, just over 1 million ballots were cast, last tuesday, in an august primary, under 1 million people voted on the anti abortion amendment. do you think the midterms are starting to look more like 2018? >> they are starting to, but remember, it is also on both sides you are seeing big

turnouts across the country. there are large republican turnout for republican primaries as there are four democrats. what's interesting about texas, i'm sorry, kansas, i would like to follow up on what don says, it's not just white supporting voters who are women that i'm looking at, right now i'm looking to see where younger women are turning out. is this a motivating factor? they now have had a right taken away from them. and back in 2016. i remember the divide between hillary. clinton's campaign among younger supporters, younger female supporters and older ones who remembered roe v. wade. and the younger people were like oh, it's, old it's yesterday's news. we have that already. now i want to know if they are willing to show up and fight for that right. i becoming more clear that it's not just an issue for suburban white women.

this is women of all backgrounds here we are talking about, across the entire country. on that note, i want to take what one congresswoman said about the abortion issue today. let's watch. >> we have rural counties in south carolina without a single ob/gyn doctor. how is a woman supposed to get any kind of care, health care, medical care, prenatal care, care for who invent when the resources don't exist. you have to look at from a very centrist perspective. 75% of america's put guardrails that are comfortable with. let's move forward. we can do at the federal level. we can give guidance to states or states can do it as well. we are seeing extremities we're gonna continue to until congress steps in. >> hearing from a republican there. david, why are republicans in conservative allowed states to allow the fringes to take control at this? >> a lot of these were trigger laws that were in place before route was repealed. the dog catching the car is the perfect analogy. i think, cory, what the country

is probably working itself through right now is working realizing that the past 40 years we were divided between pro-life and pro-choice camps, because we didn't ask anything otherwise. the cycle is about whether you're pro pro or anti pro. i think what is happening is, even conservative states you see republicans saying, wait a minute i've always identified as pro-life but the pro roe protections, the balancing tests, that grant women autonomy of her body at least until the third trimester or viability tests allowed the state to have some interest. but they are seeing is as a result of the repeal of roe a lot of these very absolutist pro-life states are now coming in with absolutist legislation. that does not reflect with the american people are on this issue. honestly, corey, i will tell. you within republican camps, there are even a live until occult that have been saying, you know, what i'm gonna continue to go as a pro life but i think i'm pro roe going into november. that is a nuance that i'm not sure we have fully arrived at. democrats have a powerful

powerful story if they land on that going into november. >> okay, don -- >> sorry i just want to say the congresswoman is pro-life that you just showed. that was a pro life congresswoman. she made a point of saying we need moderation. >> absolutely. something we brought up here in the beginning, doctor's joining the list of those reluctant to work in those states according to this new headlined by the post. should corporations become part of this conversation, don? >> they already have. we have seen a lot of corporations, and i won't call their names to talk about them, subsidizing their employees to go across state lines to get reproductive health care. corporations will, by their own policies, make decisions that will -- whether they wanted to or not, inject them into this discussion. sometimes there will be public about it in terms of tweeting

or block posting about it or press releases, sometimes they will just let employees know via internal memos. at the end of the day, legislation is one thing. corporations which control so many american jobs, and in return, so many american lives, corporations have an outsiders role to play in what our culture ultimately looks like, and whether or not we will implement the letter of the law, the spirit of the law, or completely deviate altogether. corporations have a massive role to play whether or not they're gonna be public and political about it. i think we are already seeing that, whether or not we've seen the public show from their communications department. >> don calloway gets the last word. i want to thank my panel for being here. the idea of needing to kill more people from the ground about the nuances about the overturning of roe is going to be incredibly important ahead of the midterms. we will continue to talk about. it so susan del percio,, don calloway and -- thank you for being here. >> it's been a long night a

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world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports, i am cork often. i begin this hour with breaking news, democrats in the