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senate democrats have passed the inflation reduction act. they're major climate in health policy act on -- vice president kamala harris breaking the 50/50 tie. >> the yays are 50, the nays are 50. the senate being equally divided, the vice president votes in the affirmative, and the bill, as amended, is passed. >> the final version of the bill includes some huge wins for democrats, including investing nearly 400 billion dollars over ten years to attack climate change and to boost clean energy. it allows medicare to negotiate drug prices. raises taxes on some billion dollar corporations, and in a statement president biden said of the bill quote, it required many compromises. doing important things almost always does. well, let's talk about some of those compromises. senate republicans block democrats proposal to cap the price of insulin, to $35 a month on the private insurance market. in the final hours of the

marathon vote-a-rama. kirsten sinema pushed for a change to the bills tax provisions, concerned over the how the corporate tax hikes would affect subsidiaries of private equity firms. in the end, that was just a speed bump for democrats, who came up with work around. they kept the party together to pass the historic legislation the inflation production act will now head to the house where it is scheduled for a final vote, this coming week. joining me now, democratic congresswoman judy chu of california, she's the chairwoman of the congressional asian pacific american caucus. thanks for joining us. let's start with the big news of the day. i guess it started yesterday, but into today. your reaction to the senate passing this bill, and i guess more importantly, do you expect any complications, hiccups, whatever when it comes to the house next week? where this week? >> i'm just so thrilled that it passed, we've gone through ups

and downs on the bill this past year, and there are moments of which we wondered whether it would pass at all. but to have this bill that would do so much, for consumers in america. which are lower cost for them, and reduce inflation, this is a major step forward. i'm looking for to flying back to washington d.c., cast my vote. -- a better future, and to make sure that they will be better able to handle their economic situations. >> i guess the question, is either a handful of your democratic colleagues, who may want changes to the legislation, which could imperil its passage, because we all know speaker nancy pelosi is an extremely thin margin through which to move this. >> we'll count me in as one who didn't changes. i wanted to make the child tax credit permanent and to also have paid family leave, and to

include vision and hearing, and medicare provisions. but, we all know that this is a result of compromise. in fact, some difficult forms of compromise, where people really had to give up a lot of their dreams. nonetheless this is the most major investment in fighting climate change, that we've ever had. and in addition to that, this will reduce costs for consumers. they are going to get actual remains to make their homes more energy efficient. and there will be one billion dollars in grants for affordable housing updates, which means that for so many americans, the costs for their utilities will be lower. in addition to that drug prices will be lowered because there is a 2000-dollar cap on drugs for senior citizens and medicare. and, also, insulin will be kept at $35 a month at least for

those of medicare. so, there will be significant portions of americans that we'll see lower drug costs. >> and i guess my curiosity here in strict political terms. you talked about the benefits,, y'all lined all of them. but we only have about three months before the midterm elections. the insulin provision, for instance, will people who are on medicare, see before they cast ballots that their prescription drug costs are going down. will people corbin solar panels see ty's rebates before they go and cashews? how do you communicate this to voters with such a short timeframe to actually do the so, before people go to the polls? >> well i think those who are going for rebates, we'll see some immediate release. the caps on the drugs, will take place, fairly immediately. some things will take a lot longer time such as negotiating for the prices of ten drugs,

with medicare. but i think that there will be things that people can see immediately, and in fact this is a major accomplishment in terms of fighting inflation in this country, as people can see their prices come under control finally. because we know that we should not have ever had the situation where americans paid the highest prices for prescription prices in the world. for the exact same drugs like insulin, which actually has not changed its formulary in 100 years. why are we in the situation? we're finally getting a handle on it. >> i want to switch gears a little bit, to the other big topic that we've been dealing with, which is abortion policy. this week, kansas voted to keep their abortion legal under the constitution, a surprise result in that ballot measure. at the same time, indiana

passes a very strict ban on abortions, with exceptions for rape and incest and the health of the mother, but abandon the less. i guess i sort of want to step back, where do you see the politics of abortion right now at this moment, when you have these two very different currents between kansas and indiana? >> well, there was a big difference in the vote in indiana versus kansas. indiana was a vote of the legislature kansas was a vote of the people. and the people spoke, kansas has a population that is majority republican, that voted for trump and yet the vote to ensure abortion rights was overwhelming. there was an 18 point spread between the net yes and no vote. so i think it says something about the desire of americans to keep abortion as the law of the land.

to keep roe v. wade, and in fact, i believe that will translate into the november elections. we will see a reinvigorated electorate. they will come out, in fact, the numbers that came out for the primary, was twice but they have normally seen in kansas. so, people were definitely invigorated. >> again, it might be too late in the process for this, but would you like to see democrats in some of these purple-ish reddish states try to get ballot measures on the ballot for november, in order to juice turnout, like we saw on kansas? >> i do think that it will make the population very excited to see that they can actually raise our voices on this very important issue. people today cannot believe that young women have fewer rights than their grandmothers

that women today have less rights than they've had for 50 years. they're stunned by this, of course we're actually losing lives because if there is a woman with an ectopic pregnancy, and she doesn't have time to go to another state, what's gonna happen to her? so we know that women's futures is at stake, they need the -- that's why there should be a ballot election in each state. >> finally, last question for you congresswoman. i want to get your reaction to the stat which, when i read, it was honestly startling. but maybe i'm naive. you are chairwoman of the congressional asian pacific congressional paw caucus. a poll comes out from the asian and pacific islander vote, which found that 52% of aapi voters say they have never heard from, or contacted by the democratic political party.

60% have never heard from the republican party. i guess i'm just shocked the democrats are not doing more to reach out to this,, obviously important and growing constituency, that if you look at the numbers, does vote heavily democratic. it's like leaving low hanging fruit, basically, uneaten. what is your explanation for why there has been so little outreach, and what could be done differently? >> well, actually, this is a trend that had been there in the previous polls done by aapi vote. and believe it or not these numbers are a little bit better than in the previous polls that they had done. now, but i can say that's positive is that the presidential campaigns have weaponized the power and the potential of the ap of vote. in the battleground states they

did to the outreach. in georgia they did the outreach, and as a result the api vote increase was 100 and 41%. now that came down to -- many thousands of votes, in fact there were 30,000 newly registered aapi voters. in a state, where the presidential election came down to just 12,000 votes, there is no doubt that the asian american community help to ensure his -- that shows the parent potentially the aapi vote. >> well, we'll see if democrats figure out how to actually talk to the constituency. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us on this historic evening, really appreciate your insights. still ahead our coverage with the senate democrats big reconciliation win continues. but first, richard louis is here with the headlines. hey richard, how you doing? >> how is going their sam, very good evening to you some stories we're watching this

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i'm really confident that the inflation reduction act will endure as one of the defining feats of the 21st century. >> that was senate majority leader chuck schumer, after democrats passed the app for mentioned inflation reduction act. this moment is undeniably huge for president biden and democrats, but is it huge enough to change their fortunes going into the midterms? joining me now is my sunday night panel. -- contributing writer for the atlantic, molly jong-fast. and also josh gondelman, his

new comedy special out now. and maria hinojosa the president founder of -- a brand-new msnbc contributor, congratulations, and welcome aboard. molly, good to see you, as always. my question for you is all it is, are you legitimately shocked the democrats were able to pull this one off? >> i am not legitimately shocked that they passed a law. i'm telling you, they passed a lot of legislation, they did infrastructure, they did a big covid bailout. i -- i was starting to think that maybe they weren't going to get manchin on board, and certainly sinema has proved challenging, and she did at the 11th hour try to make sure that private equity firms were protected because that's a big value for democrats. i don't know what was going on air. yeah i'm not that surprised,

because i think they've done a really good job. chuck schumer really was able to sort of pull the rabbit out of the had at the 11th hour. so i'm really impressed. and look,, they used federal investment in climate ever. huge. >> you know maria, one of the things a mark the bill is what was not included. there is an effort to cap insulin in the private market at $35, people with private insurance. i think it was 57 votes total, -- but they needed ten. how does it play out for republicans in the midterm. a lot of them are on record same that we want to control the price of insulin and a turn around and vote not to do so. >> well, i'm kind of with molly, that i'm not surprised, but in terms of the republicans on also not surprise that they're gonna try to pull this past one. i think the hypocrisy that many voters are experiencing regarding other republican parties is real. in terms of the democrats, when

i would be doing? i just got back from a conference, so i was in casino craziness in las vegas, where the national association of hispanic journalists and black journalist were meeting over the past few days, so we kind of in that place. but if i was managing the communications of the democratic party right now, i would be holding ticker tape parades and every single city i'd be having primetime specials about what this means how this is going to change american society. but this means for you, but you need to do, i'd be flooding with psas. because i think that part of what happens with the democratic party, is that we feel like you not fighting back, we know that, but even when you do have a win like this, you have to go out and manage the messaging in a way that is kind of a huge impact. we understand that, but it's like why are you not doing this? >> yeah. i guess, youtube had more optimism but senate democrats

than i did. josh, maybe you're with him, i was sort of curious for your take. how do you imagine this one going forward in the house? and to maria's point, what do democrats, let's say it does pass. but democrats do to build off of passage, and sell the thing to the american public? >> i'm with maria, and that i feel like democrats also feel like it is gauche to wield our celebrate victory is. there's a hipster attitude that it's embarrassing to try. i think that about the important good things that happened because of this bill passing. assuming it goes through the house. i think they need to be springsteen born to write about it, and really maximalist how much you can do for people. i think it's important to say that, something like the 35 dollar insulin cap, my wife is diabetic, and i think this legitimately, more needs to be done. using this as a place to build,

from rather than resting on the laurels of we did something, it's helpful to. i think that's really important. but against maria's point of breaking out the trumpets, and banging on some drums, instead of being like i did a thing. >> first bruce reference of the night. let's see if we can get the over under three, so if we can reach it. molly, to that point, it's been like a shockingly good 2 to 3-week stretch for biden and democrats, frankly, the passage of the chiefs bill, which is the chinese -- the burn pit legislation, which is benefits for veterans exposed to toxins. gas prices are going down after skyrocketing, the average is about to hit below $4, nationally. you have the results in kansas, of course, where they voted to keep abortion access in the constitution. you have the jobs numbers on friday. so democrats find themselves in this weird position, where they have a buffet of options from

which to choose, and emphasize the next couple of weeks. of those that i outlined, what do you think at the best ones, the ones that translate most when it comes to communicating with voters? >> i mean, i think the more that you can have biden out there, and the more you can have the vice president out there talking to people, saying we did this, this is a big infrastructure bill, democrats played it down, -- the messaging is not the democrats strong suit. but in this case, it needs to be. when we saw in kansas is that a lot of republicans do not like the overturning of roe. we are seeing that. people who voted for trump, also do not like this. so there's a real opportunity here, that it's fair to say that the supreme court has -- the dog has caught the car, and the dog now has no plans, so these abortion bills are gonna

keep going, and then these trumpy candidates are not good either. so i do think democrats have an amazing opportunity, but i think they just have to get out there as much as possible. biden has some really good surrogates like mayor pete, and different people who can really talk about infrastructure. >> well maria, just to pick up on that point. putting biden out there certainly helps, but you have to be creative to reach us or not but audiences. mayor pete can only go to so many praises, right? so if you're advising the party, it's not just about getting out there, it's who you talk to, which mediums views,, and which messages you specifically emphasized. how would you advise him, and what could they be doing differently that they're not doing right now? >> look, with molly, the same thing, i'm like kansas is huge. kansas is huge, we had just happened now. so i think, look i can talk from experience, i have a daughter who is talking about going to political meetings now.

in a way that she had talked about in the past presidential election, but now it's like i'm feeling like i'm gonna do this, i don't go to a political meeting, i'm getting involved. so there is a moment, for which the democratic party can say, we see you young people, we see you young women. we feel your energy, as opposed to what i think what was happening right after roe v. wade was overturned, i can't believe i just said that, but it's true. which is that democrats are kind of reaching out and saying, can you send us $5? that's not what they want to hear. but getting the message like we hear you, you have the power. you have the power to change place. -- you do this in kansas, therefore you can do it anywhere. >> josh, without resorting to a brief springsteen song, i'm sort of curious if you look back at the last 18 months. because all this drama

inevitable? we had different iterations the bill, we are soon to his dead, it was back to life, is dead again. manchin should've been kicked out of the party, he's from west virginia, he's still votes for democrats. is the way it had to go? it is their way could've been done differently, without giving every democrat for five heart attacks? >> you know, that's a tough question. inevitable means, is joe manchin's character fixed, or is a malleable? it is kirsten sinema's character fixture malleable? i think these are deep philosophical questions. i wish it hadn't had to come down to the wire the way it did. i'm glad that these things have happened, right? but i think the idea of roe v. wade overturned, to get people to spring into action. again as maria said, send us $5, potent of ember. i think what we saw is that people are really motivated to vote, like in kansas, when they

feel like their voters making a difference, and their voices being heard. but when roe got overturned, more than a month ago, people said vote in november, that sounds like saying i'm hungry now, well thanksgiving is coming up. so really showing that you're working for your constituents, i think really makes a difference. so winds like today, i wish this had been able to come earlier. and i'm glad that it happened, now. >> all right, panel, thank you so much. please stick around, i beg you, we have a lot more to go. still ahead the growing republican trend. candidates refusing to concede elections of the no they've lost. lost having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need! ♪young people having a good time with insurance.♪

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two election cycles later, more and more republicans, at every office level, are echoing his rhetoric. there are so many examples of this that there isn't time to cover, them literally. so let's just put the spotlight on to specific cases. georgia when a toil candidate, candace taylor. she just won 3.4% of the vote in the primary, but she claims the entire race was rigged. in the process, she has attracted the attention of my fellow ceo and conspiracy theorist, mike lindell, who is promising a, quote, big investigation on her behalf. can't wait to see it. then, there's the trump endorsed candidate for arizona secretary of state, self identified oath keepers, mark finchem. he's still advocating for the certifying the 2020 election results in the year 2022. this week, he got the gop primary for arizona secretary of state. some pivotal position, obviously, for the next

presidential election. so, to discuss that, let's bring back our saturday night panel. molly, it's a pretty simple question. what happens if people like mark finchem are given the levers of the election infrastructure? where do we go from there? do we enter a guaranteed constitutional crisis? >> at best, we enter a guaranteed constitutional crisis. at worst, we stop having free and fair elections. i mean, yeah, this is really scary. the one thing i would say that is totally fascinating to me is that almost all of the states where you have these people running our purple states, right? like arizona, these trumpy candidates won, but they barely made it out, right? so, you are seeing, these guys are gonna come up, you know, this is not mississippi. these are purple states. so you have terrible trumpy candidates that barely can win a primary, and again, with all of this trumpism, it's trumpism

wins you a primary, but gets you in the general, as we saw with trump. so, i do think this is a set that's particularly bad for republicans. of course, having one party turn against democracy is bad for all of us, ultimately. but i think in this short gap, i think it will hurt republicans. eventually, the, who knows where this goes? only got. >> well, to pick up on that point, maria, isn't the reading that this is happening in purple states, largely, if not primarily, because trump's focused on these states. he filled the voters, elected officials of these states with the idea that the conspiracy that their systems were rigged against him, and therefore, he produces the type political climate that allows these types of candidates to prosper. >> right. so, there is a saying in mexican spanish, which is, [speaking spanish] which means, it backfires.

it's a little weird. and i really feel like in terms of the republicans, molly is right. it is like, what is your endgame? what's your endgame, which is really rigged a large? and i'm really glad we're talking about this, because these are threats to democracy. this is exactly what it looks like. this is exactly what it looks like to take a -- look, it's not perfect, there is no perfect democracy. but to basically throw these completely ridiculous claims, and get that kind of going, it's not normal. again, what is normal, i mean, i think that is very problematic. obviously, in terms of how the republicans are playing this. but the endgame is very dangerous. so we need to be, and again, the democratic party needs to be sounding the alarm that this is very that -- this is a huge alarm, that this is a four alarm fire. >> five alarm. we go higher in our -- >> in english, or spanish i got

them right, hey. >> just to your point, the thing that was very interesting to me this past week was in arizona, you have carrie lake, who has been winning the republican nominee for governor. what's happened in the election on tuesday, was she, at the end of the night, trailing her opponent. but then, of course, more ballots came in, but legitimate ballots. and they catapulted her into winning. this is almost precisely what happened in 2020, in arizona, only biden was the beneficiary. of course, back then, but kari lake, and to this day says something fraudulent is happening, when it is to her benefit, we don't hear as much. in the question for you, josh, you know, is this not even an indictment of how these people think about their own voters, that they assume they don't see the inconsistencies here, that they assume that they don't find the contradictions, and that he'll just be with it no matter what they are. >> yeah, i mean, it is

definitely disrespectful. or, they just assumed the voters care about the idea of democracy as little as they do, right? because we have republican candidates participating in the election, it's like a four year old participation in the game of scrabble. they just turn down whatever tiles they have, and they go, we won. they don't care about numbers or rules. so, like, a candidate in michigan is like fourth place, this is pre-determined. and of course, it feels predetermined. you are in fourth place. you are going to lose. they're waiting as on the wall, right? like if you shake shack, put out a burger that was horseback on its investors one, i would be predetermined that i would stick to fries. like, if the republicans, i think it's a contempt for their own voters. but it's just like, also, a contempt for the idea of a democratic process. which they're hoping to bring their voters along for that right. >> sorry, a horse puke burger? >> yeah. >> it sounds delicious. all right, panel, stick around. i think, this time.

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he would not enforce the states new abortion restrictions, or any potential laws banning certain health care options for transgender children. prosecutor in question, andrew warren, joined elise women in this this weekend to discuss a suspension, and its implications. >> you're just talking about stolen elections. and for the past few years, we've heard all this talks about stolen elections. you want to see how election is actually stolen, look no further. because the governor is trying to steal the position of state alicia mn attorney away from the people in the county. this is a violation of the most sacred trust of our democracy. this is the origin of our freedom. look, this isn't a political issue. doesn't matter if you are a democrat, republican, progressive. this is should outrage everyone. >> back with us now is our distinguished panel, the greatest of panels. molly, i want to start with you

again, what do you make of the move from desantis here? >> you know, desantis is like a mini trump. you know, replaced by trump's rules, which is scary, because i think, he is a lot smarter and more focused than trump. but he doesn't have the trump charisma, that's the one thing he doesn't have. but, yeah, i mean, he has these autocratic kind of rules, and he goes for it. and of course, this is not okay. by the way, the pledge that this guy, with a pretty weak soft, just said we're not gonna prosecute people for their own medical decisions. i mean, it is the kind of things that republicans, the party of small government, used to be the government, used to be the party of small government, would have signed on 20 years ago, for sure. with desantis, the thing, it's always kind of about this gop primary, right? the presidential primary. he has always sort of performing to get the base excited so, for him, this is

easy. i just think that it can't be allowed, and that the legislature needs to protect, you know, whatever this sort of mechanism is that this needs to be protected. >> not sure there is a mechanism, is there? josh, i guess the question here, you know, if there is no mechanism to protect this guy, is it not cruelty action here that democrats go tit-for-tat. democratic republican said, he's a republican leading prosecutor in my state. is not enforcing my loss. desantis is gonna go down that road, i might as well do the same. is it just a dangerous slope that we are looking at here? >> i mean, it is less about tit-for-tat, right? less about, you did this. i'm gonna do that. and more about protecting vulnerable people. because republicans are really relinquished in their commitment to doing haunt harm to pregnant people. and i would say you have to hand it to them, but number one, you don't. even if you didn't hand it to them, they would take it against the will of the voters. so, like, it is good to see people in power, like this state attorney, using the authority to pledge to help

people, and not to harm. but democrats need to be constantly working to like remove the harms that republicans are causing, and that is really tough, because republicans are breaking a lot of stuff really quickly, right? but you can't just go like, i'm gonna do what they are doing, because that doesn't protect people. like, when my dog, i have an elderly dog, when she puts on the floor, i have to put more effort into cleaning up the poop then she put into popping out. and i think that's a very hard lesson to learn, democrats have to be relentless in protecting people, as the republicans are attacking them and putting them under -- >> josh, you left me breathless yet again. maria, i want to switch back away from the pods to desantis. because i do find there's something telling about the fight that he chooses, right? it can be with this state attorney. sometimes, it could be with a disney corporation, one of the biggest employers in florida. the lgbtq community in the state, teachers. he has a pretty true formula,

as i see it, where he finds a hot button social issue, and he goes right at it. he doesn't stop. he goes right to it. can you talk a little bit about the stack of political strategy, and its residents, you know, in modern, republican politics? >> right, so that's actually, you know, when desantis does these kinds of things, what do you feel? you feel like he's -- i mean, i can't follow anything josh said. so i shouldn't even try. so, he is in the shop, bank everything, destroy things to try to get attention, to try to get people to focus on him. which, you know, it's kind of like, what is the politics of that? to me, again, this is ridiculous. it is terrifying. it is alarming. it is profoundly anti democratic. everybody, as the state attorney said, should be open arms about this.

and i don't think that tit-for-tat is the way to go. essentially, again, to kind of take off on molly's point about, can we bring back the old school republicans? the ones who are about, keep government off my back, and the right to privacy. all the state attorney was saying, i'm going to respect people's right to privacy, and their medical decisions, because i should not know, as somebody was not a medical doctor, should be in this conversation. and you know what? as somebody, i talk about this a lot, and i will continue to talk about it. i have no shame in saying that i had to abortions, by choice. and then, i realize now, that because i had two miscarriages, we are ultimately, in that moment, you need to have, what is known as a dnc, but it's actually an abortion. so, if i can't get access to abortions because of someone

like ron desantis, who took away this attorney was gonna protect my right, i might have be death of a hemorrhage. and i can't get that top out of my mind, the 20 we're talking about this, this dude, ron desantis, has no concept of what it is to be a woman, or a person who is pregnant, going through something like a miscarriage. and needing medical attention, or in my case, i am woman who made a perfectly legitimate decision to terminate a pregnancy, because i didn't want to. and it was my body. but ultimately, i think, you know, the big message is, again, i will say it again, [speaking spanish] it's gonna backfire on them, and on desantis. we need to get this level of ridiculousness, and again, we started talking about kansas. we can finish talking about kansas. that's the big message for the republicans. maria, thank you sincerely for sharing your story, i truly appreciate it. to the rest of the panelists,

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just went into effect. mp's julie tsirkin has more. >> when the supreme court overturned roe, 13 states across the u.s. had triggered laws. immediately banning or restricting abortion procedures. >> just like everyone else, my heart just -- was overjoyed. >> i was fine with roe versus wade being overturned, because we forgot that it's a human being, and that maybe doesn't have a choice. >> at least five of those states, had the law is challenged. like here in louisiana, where this clinic is fighting to provide care for thousands of women, seeking to terminate unwanted pet pregnancies. >> every day this clinic is open, is another day where you receive care, care to which they are entitled and need. >> kathleen pitman, director of the hope medical group for women, has worked here for 30 years. >> we started seeing closures, complete closure in texas, oklahoma, texas mississippi and

alabama, arkansas. >> we are determined, we're gonna hang on for his pause long as we possibly can. >> the abortion clinic on louisiana's northern border is suing the state, calling the trigger bans unconstitutional, and vague. saying the laws, quote, failed to provide notice of exactly what conduct is provided, if any, and when. >> i actually spoke to a 16-year-old this morning, who we have a protester out there, and said that he's gonna pay for, me i don't want his prayers. his prayers mean nothing to me. hailie brand is a patient advocate at the clinic, her job is to speak with women seeking abortions. >> i wish somebody who is antiabortion could come in this clinic, and sit in the corner, or be a fly on the wall, even, just to see that people don't make this decision, willy-nilly. >> hope medical group for women is just one of three clinics in

this entire state of louisiana, that still provides abortion services. compare that number to a hundreds of crisis centers throughout the state of louisiana. like mary's house, they don't of provide abortion services, but they do provide women with options. >> of course, we don't want them to have an abortion, but we don't pressure, we just say but here's what it is. >> she founded the pregnancy center in 2014, down the road from hope. it's not your typical clinic, most women who come here, are unmarried between the ages of 15 and 24, and are financially and emotionally vulnerable. >> what is your response to that kind -- who think they don't have a choice anymore? >> you have to go deeper than it's a choice, because it's a baby. >> supporters of abortion rights, call the centers, quote, fake clinics. saying, they take advantage of pregnant women in crisis, and mislead them. >> we don't recommend anything,

we say here are the three options. if you take abortion off the table, it seems like, well it's not fair i don't have that choice. but you don't have a choice for a long of things. >> a majority of women who receive abortions and louisiana are black. >> abortion is the number one cause of death in our community. >> -- louisiana black advocates for life, antiabortion, nonprofit aiming to reduce and eventually end abortions in the black community. >> like baby's lives are sacrificed for the sake of choice. and so, that, to me, is devastating. >> louisiana already has a high maternal mortality rate, and it's going to go up, and we may see some women whose reproductive health is absolutely ruined. because of their inability to obtain a safe legal abortion. >> louisiana's attorney general jeff landry is pushing for the

court battle to end, and aims to outlaw the procedure as soon as possible. >> i'm on this planet for reproductive justice, and whatever happens happens, and i'm going to fight. >> that's exactly what happened monday, when law injuries appeal was granted, putting a near total and two abortions in the bayou state. >> that was nbc's julie tsirkin, we'll be right back. thank you for making time for

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