but we could all see it, right. everybody is seeing in this action. and you have american corporations and republican-led cities and republican-led states taking action on this, too. so you've got the traditionally more right of center part of america fully on board with climate change and the need to address it. and that is partly as senator murphy was saying earlier on the program, why we've managed to get to something that america has failed to do for 30 years because people could see that the climate is changing. >> well it is the very top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." and we have a lot to get to this hour. including indiana becomes first state the nation to approve abortion restrictions since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. we'll have reaction in the near total ban, including one indiana maker who is also an obstetrician. and also ahead the conservative

political conference wrapped up over the weekend with former donald trump continuing his grip on the gop even as the january 6 investigation looms over any potential comeback. and, travel headaches continue for many across the country, as more than 1500 flights are cancelled this weekend and at least 13,000 delayed. we'll have the latest on the perfect storm of issues creating travel nightmares for thousands of american travelers. joe. >> well, you know, mika, you talk to pete buttigieg, transportation secretary last week, and he said things were getting better. things aren't getting better. you look at those numbers and everybody that we've talked to that is trying to move around over the past several weeks, every different story is a nightmare. we'll get to that. but first, jonathan lemire --

>> wait, wait, wait, wait. but first, happy birthday kathy scarborough. now, please. >> i was going to jonathan lemire to wish happy birthday. but thank you for doing it. and i would think that kay would want to hear it from the best-selling author who sold more books than we printed the guttenberg bible. he is huge and massive. so jonathan, mika killed hamlet the first act there. so kate has been wished a happy birthday. i wish you could have done it personally. that would have meant so much to her. but let's move on. and talk about how disorienting it is to actually be seeing things happening in washington, d.c. the way they've been happening over the past couple of weeks. i mean, i just heard from "the new york times," for democrats passage of the measure capped a six week stretch that included final approval of the $280 billion competitiveness

with china which republicans were against for a while, and then the largest expansion of v.a. benefits in more than two decades which republicans were against for a while and finally caved. it would achieve the goal of slashing prescription drug costs, slashing prescription drug costs and allowing medicare to negotiate for prices directly and capping the amount that recipients pay out of pocket each year to $2,000. we talked about $500 billion in climate and energy programs. so this is really big and you look at the inflation reduction act, you look at what it means for americans and what their paying for pharmaceuticals, for their drugs, you look at about the climate and you look at the fact that multi-national corporations will have to pay at least as much as clerical workers and secretaries have to pay for the ceo's there, you

look at $300 billion in deficit reduction which i said joe manchin fought for that, it is so critical after donald trump drove up the national debt to record levels over his four years. add to that, bipartisan infrastructure act, a bipartisan infrastructure act bill that was massive, the first significant gun safety legislation in 10, 20 years. it is been -- and yes, in the killing, the killing of the leader of al qaeda that so many americans have fought and actually died trying to do. all of that happening recently. it is pretty dizzying how much things have changed in washington in the past few weeks. >> yeah. first of all, happy birthday, kay. and we're seeing here a reparkable run of success from

this white house and congress. and i think it is worth taking a step back. joe biden came into office promising to lower the temperature in washington after the four tumultuous years of donald trump and he came in saying he believes he could work across the aisle. and he's had some success. bipartisan infrastructure deal number one and then the guns deal this summer when the president, to be fair, was largely hands off. that got done as well. and the chips bill and pact act, republicans after throwing their sort of temper tantrums eventually cast their ballots for it as well. but those temper tantrums may cost them support in november. but it is a balancing act for this white house which went all in on the idea of being bipartisan and other than a few exceptions, ran into road blocks. republican obstructionism, and they didn't want to play ball. in the last few months, senator schumer striking that secret deal with senator manchin, the

white house playing a supporting role, president biden last weekend acting as the closest. they out-maneuvered republicans on many things and were far more bipartisan than they had been before, much to the delight of fellow democrats and the track record speaks for itself. this is a stunning run of achievement. democrats in array, if you will, for the first time in a long time, and now we have that party heading into this november's midterms with a real pep in their step, believing they've got stuff they could run on, feeling good about the senate. feeling some -- like the house may be in place or keep the margins down and we've caught a burst of wind here, a second air, a second gasp for this presidency. now his poll numbers, the president's have jet to bounce back. that is what they're watching for next. but they feel very good about the wins they're putting on the scoreboard at the moment. >> the president's poll numbers low still. we'll see what actions if there

is say reaction to it. and republican senators on the general opinion page leading with an editorial this morning talking about how badly republican senate candidates are doing in some of the key swing states putting the blame where the blame belongs with donald trump would lost the house for republicans in '18, lost the senate for republicans and lost the white house in '20. and katty kay, you look at what has been happening for joe biden, and on the other side of it, the republicans, it is dizzying how many bad mistakes they've made. and it is not just the wing nuts and the crazies, in state legislatures that are following conspiracy theories and trying to force 10-year-old girls to have forced births, you look at some missteps the senate has

made, like we're so used to talking about how the democrats are always played by mitch mcconnell and the republicans in the senate, if you look over the past week or so and suddenly you saw, wait a second, i think democrats may have played the senate republicans and you look at january 6th, the fact that mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, one republican after another fought against a bipartisan, bicameraal massive missteps by republicans. >> and donald trump came out and said that was a mistake not to go for that bipartisan committee. but you're right. it is very interesting to watch republicans both own chives and the veterans bill and get put in a position where they were voting against something where their own constituencies knew they were in support of those

bills. and it struck everybody as a real case of inauthentic politics at work and i think that is very damaging for republicans, whenever you're in a position of voting against something that your supporters know you support, that is not a great position to be in. and as one said, and also you never want to go into a position where you're up against comedian jon stewart, because they are quicker and faster and smarter and funnier than you are ever going to be and they had passionate diatribes against republicans, shaming them after the vote to the change to the veterans health bill. so they have made missteps and they are around the country in terms of the candidates that they have nominated which mitch mcconnell is very aware of. a whole bunch of celebrity candidates with no track record on running on the far right of the party just because they were

endorsed by donald trump and mcconnell knows he has a problem. >> so for more on this, let's in ali vitali. give us a sense of how this went down and what some of the tweaks were for republicans that seems to feed into their brand, where this goes from here. >> it was a long weekend. but those of us here tracking this 22-hour straight session in the senate, we are main lining our coffee this morning. but senate democrats are feeling triumphant. you guys are talking about what is in the bill and i think that is of course really important when you look at the fact that it is upwards of $400 billion in spending on key priorities like health care and climate, but then also the $300 billion in estimated deficit reductions. republicans are trying to make a tax on democrats for spending in a moment of inflation, democrats feel like this is, again, something that is going to feed into not just that larger message of what john lemire was

saying with democrats in array, but instead allow them to show voters come the november midterms what you get when you have democratic majorities. many of these senators as they were leaving yesterday were saying to me that this is the most significant legislation since they've been in the building and you have to consider the way that democrats have changed their stance on the messaging of this. because other than bernie sanders, all of the other progressives will admit they wanted more in this bill. you and i have several conversations over course of the last year of items like paid leave and universal pre-k that were in the initial $1 trillion package of this bill that then got struck out and whittles down by people like joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. but the fak that you have historic amounts spent on fighting climate change and medicare now directly able to negotiate for prescription drug prices, those things poll very

popularly. and i also think you guys make the point about this changing midterm landscape. i had some reporting over the weekend from the dccc, where in polls in about 30 of the front line house districts, they see the issue of abortion actually as a regularly top polling negative for republicans. so combine the wins of the last few weeks for democrats, with the changing landscape on reproductive rights and it does change things for the midterm, i think. >> ali vitali, thank you very much. we'll be talking about how this changes things for midterms and watching where things go. meanwhile, election deniers and conspiracy theorists took center stage at cpac in dallas over the weekend. from marjorie taylor green, to the my pillow guy, to candidates who won recent primaries after supporting the big lie and basically framing their entire campaign around it, the event was packed with right-wing

buzzwords and violent rhetoric. nbc senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell has more. >> reporter: before the trump faithful, the former president dangling another 2024 trial balloon. >> and now we may have to do it again. >> reporter: at the conservative political action committee gathering, in dallas on saturday, mr. trump basked in the loyalty of his base. >> i'm all in. >> reporter: in the cpac straw poll, 69% of attendees say if donald trump is on the ballot, they would vote for him. florida governor ron desantis is next at 24%. >> would you really like to see a push from ron desantis. >> reporter: knocking democrats from president biden to leaders on capitol hill, he painted a bleak picture of the economy, crime and cultural divides. >> we are a nation in decline. we are a failing nation.

>> reporter: describing himself as persecuted, he again made false claims about the last election and the january 6 investigation. then mockingly acted out his denial. >> his neck is like this -- >> reporter: a former trump aid cassidy hutchinson's headline-making testimony about an alleged incident between mr. trump and secret service in his car on january 6. >> i said take me to the capitol. no, sir, i condition do it. so i grabbed the steering wheel. >> while investigations risk his political sway in the broad republican party many conservatives like those at cpac still follow his lead as the critical midterms approach. >> america's come back begins this november. >> i mean, just -- >> yeah. no, it is really something. think about this, and i guess it

is just how sick american politics has become over the past couple of decades, but it is always enraged me that people only love america if their candidate, if their person is in the white house. and america is only great if their party is running. if their party is not running things, suddenly things collapse. of course this is been a trend that has been building for quite sometime. you could talk about bill clinton, obviously, you could talk about george w. bush, he couldn't walk anywhere in new york city where there weren't pictures of george w. bush. as adolf hitler, and you could talk about barack obama an the mass insanity that followed him around when he was president from people on the far right. and but it all reached this climax with donald trump where trump's running for president and what is -- what is he

saying. he's saying the american dream is dead because he's not in power. and then he gets in and talked about american carnage and talking about crime being so terrible. he's talking about the chaotic southern border. get this folks, i keep saying it, it is so important that you understand this, and please tell this to the crackpot next door, that tells you how great things were when donald trump was president, when donald trump talk about american carnage, he had just been elected president. after eight years of barack hussein obama, as president of the united states, crime was at a 50-year low. illegal incursions across the southern border was at a 50-year low. he just made all of this up. and now after american carnage,

after four years of him trying to undermine american democracy, with a fascist coup attempt, which of course failed because he not ome fails when he tries to sell steaks, he not only fails when he tries to sell vodka, he not only fails when he tries to sell his reality shows, he fails when he tries to destroy american democracy. so i guess, though frightening, it was all very predictable. but now he's talking about, once again, america as a nation in decline. despite the fact that, again, you look at the numbers out there. jobs, stronger than ever. donald trump, i'm pretty sure donald trump lost more jobs as president of the united states than anybody maybe since herbert hoover. i'll have to check the numbers. but he's up there. even before covid, his gdp numbers were like ranked 6th or

7th since world war ii. joe biden's job numbers are extraordinary. things are moving in the right direction. >> they really are. >> we're getting things done. but this is the sickness that we have to deal with, katty kay, in america, that when somebody's political party is not running the white house, suddenly that segment of america said that the united states of america is declining. and everything is wonderful. that is a -- i think america is great. people are hear it all of the time. they get tired about hearing me talk about we're still the strongest, our military is still the strongest, our culture -- and despite the problems in washington, d.c. but donald trump continues to feed upon this pathology and here he goes again talking about america in decline.

all because he wasn't able to pull off his fascist coup. >> yeah. and the thing is he said it, but then millions of people believe it and because we're in a sort of tribal society, where whatever the other side does, must be bad. de facto. nobody has ever prepared to look at the fakes and think i'm going to assess the inflation reduction act on the the merits of bill, you just slam it because the other side is proposing it and trump knows that, and understands that and plays on it. >> yeah. you know, the facts that you laid out at the -- five minutes ago, joe, about crime and immigration and the timing of trump's american carnage speech and those two issues alone, and everything that has happened since then, there are people who will not hear the facts. they will not hear them. they refuse to hear them. and they will stay with him until the cult is going wherever it is going to go and there are people that we know.

there are people close to us who will not hear them. and at this point we're not even talking about policy, we're not even talking about facts and it is worth asking, what is wrong with you. what is wrong with you. because you are choosing to stand with lunatics, freaks, insurrectionists, and people who stand on the side of rapists, and who stand in a place where most persons don't stand for, for gun reform, for meaningful and practical gun reform. not taking away guns. for women's rights. for prescription drugs being a reasonable cost. for gas prices going down. i mean, we're talking about basic things. we're not talking about republican versus democratic policymakers. we're talking about facts. and these people won't face

them. there is something wrong. with them. >> i mean, what is wrong -- what is wrong is their loyalty runs to a failed reality tv show host, in a way that is stronger than their loyalty to the united states of america. to this country, to the constitution of the united states, this is simple, to democracy, this is all very simple. this is a cult. we've seen republicans say it is a cult. >> super sick. >> and you have the january 6 hearings, you look at the january 6 hearings and everybody testifying against donald trump is a trumpist. they are people that stood by him throughout his presidency, that stood by him throughout the worst -- worst days of his presidency, that stood by him after he tried to shake down

president zelenskyy, and basically saying i'll only give you weapons, so you could defend yourself against russia, that congress has already approved, if you find dirt on joe biden and joe biden's family. it is a sickness. we have a supreme court justice's wife that wants to see joe biden and his family imprisoned off a barge off of -- >> speak of joe biden. joe biden is speaking right now. >> yeah. let's go to him. >> -- but it is all good. it is really going to lower -- when you sit down at the kitchen table at end of the month, you'll be able to pay a hell of a lot more bills if you're paying less for medicaid. >> how worried are you about this situation if taiwan. china has a grip around the whole island now. >> i am, i'm not worried. but i'm concerned that the

movement is much as they are. buttent do you think they're going to do anything. >> do you think it was -- for the speak tore go to taiwan. >> that was her decision. thank you. >> joe biden, at dover air force base talking about the success so far and he has a lot to brag about. got to tell you, joe, i mean this is an incredible time for a president that a lot of people underestimated. they underestimate this man every step of the way. >> well if you watch certain news works, they want you to know not that he made drug prices cheapers for seniors and americans, they want you to know he fell off his bike. they don't want you to know that he made multi-national corporations paying less in tax rates than you, they want you to know that he stumbled when he walks up airplane tears like gerald ford did.

>> or stutters. >> or that he has a stuttering problem his whole life. that is what they want you to know. but it is interesting. no victory laps are allow midnight american politics because the press is the press and jonathan lemire, fascinating. he got a question about this huge success and then reporters, being good reporters, asked questions about taiwan, he said he's not concerned in the long run about taiwan and with nancy pelosi, ask if he approved her going there, he said she could do whatever she wants to do. but the president feeling much better than this morning than he probably had in quite sometime and we're not talking about recovering from covid, we're talking about a massive legislation success yesterday. how does this come a couple of months before the lek for him. >> it is a high water mark for this president.

now, out of covid isolation, which we should know, this is the first trip since testing negative. he's on the way to kentucky to tour the flood damage there, devastating loss and to pledge the aid of the federal government to the recovery and rebuilding efforts. but this is a huge -- a huge win. and he was largely off camera here. the last few weeks because covid but also to deliver strategy. they know that right now, president biden has low poll numbers but he's a polarizing figure and some republicans might be less willing to play ball if he's playing a large role. so he works behind the scenes working the phones an helps get this deal across the finish line. and there is always the next concern and the fraying relations with china, certainly moving to the top of the list, there are some hopes of a biden/xi meeting maybe at the g 20 in indonesia. but right now that is for

another moment. democrats feel good about where they are, they're growing increasingly optimistic about your thanss. >> all right, coming up, in an exclusive interview, donald trump's former campaign manager admitted he transferred trump campaign data. but up next, indiana passes a total ban on abortion. a member of the hoosier legislative congress joins us on how dangerous this is. that is when "morning joe" returns. rning joe" returns.

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welcome back. 30 past the hour. and indiana abortion bill was signed into law by the state's republican governor. ectively on september 15th, indiana abortion clinics will lose their licenses if they perform abortions.

doctors who perform the procedure legally without reporting it will also lose their licenses. abortions will be considerable in the case of rape and insist, only 10 weeks post fertilization. ten weeks and the procedure is in place if the mother's life is in jeopardy or there is a anomaly. rita fleming is a doctor who spent more than three decades as an ob/gyn. thank you so much for joining us. if you could give us a sense of what this is going to mean for your constituents? >> this law will have repurr -- repercussions across indiana.

and i've offered, in fact the day prior to this vote, that would significantly decrease abortions in the state of indiana. but this was rejected by the super majority. >> katty kay. >> and the provisions that are in the bill just to be clear and to lay it out for everybody else, would it mean that no one could cross into indiana any more to have abortions, you've had the right protected in kansas, is that going to be the nearest place that indiana women could go to, to get their abortions? >> no, illinois is really the closest state. but again, instead of focusing so much on being so divisive about this issue, we could have legislation to make birth control much more accessible to women and that would significantly decrease abortion.

it has in other states like north carolina, south carolina. they have passed legislation that women could go to a pharmacy and be prescribed and dispensed safe birth control. i've offered this for four years. this would significantly decrease abortions yet the republicans continue to reject this. that doesn't make sense. that is how you decrease abortion. >> and what is the situation with medical abortions now in indiana. some doctors in states that are banning abortion procedures are still talking about the possible of women in their states being able to receive morning-after pills, potentially through the mail. will that be protected in indiana? >> the morning-after pill will not be effected. what my concern is, as a

physician, is particularly obstetrician, is who is going to judge when the life of the mother is in danger. how far, how sick does a woman have to get before you say well termination is the only option that could save. as an obstetrician we're faced with long hours and we're up at night and away from our family and we always have a rick of mal practice hanging over our heads. now obstetricians will have to worry about going to lose my license because this woman wasn't sicken, wasn't yet septic when we decided it was the only option to keep her possibly healthy. >> madam representative, we just saw in kansas a few days ago, a real surge of voter enthusiasm, particularly but not exclusively among democrats to defeat an if amendment to the constitution there.

now, an exact provision won't be possible in indiana. but what are you seeing there on the ground? are you seeing voter registration totals going up, are you seeing a rush from democrats to get people signed up to go to the polls, to potentially overturn some of these state election office holders this fall to maybe then change course sometime next year? >> i think, and i hope that people will see that for common sense solutions, because people are -- we tend to be moderate, we are caring individuals, we're concerned. we want our families to do well. and when we approach things from an extremist point of view, regardless of which side you're on, that doesn't sit well with indiana voters. we want people who work for bipartisan solutions, who are doing the best to help our constituents, not to further an

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40 past the hour. a live look at seattle tacoma airport, where across the country, quite frankly, travel everies are bracing for another bad day. persistent travel headaches for so many across the country. and it is not getting any better. doesn't appear to be. with punishing waves of new flight cancellations and delays over the weekend, and into

today. so good luck getting where you're going. and nbc news senior national correspondent kerry sanders is at florida's fort lauderdale airport with the very later. kerry, what do you have for us? >> reporter: i don't have good news. i'm so sorry. but if you're a regular flier, you're kind of use to this. it is going on over and over. to give youa picture, i've been following flight aware and in the last half hour it is gone from 318 canceled flights now to 378 and it just keeps climbing. so it is going to be another rough day for travelers. look, the analysts say that there is a combinations of problems here, one, it is summertime and the thunderstorms causes problems. when you combine that with the staffing shortages, it is sort of the perfect storm that leads to a travel nightmare. this morning frustration is on the rise at airports across the country. >> i don't understand how this is okay.

>> reporter: with more than 1500 flights canceled this weekend, and at least 13,000 delays from coast to coast. >> hopefully it doesn't get canceled again because i definitely need to get home and get stuff done. >> reporter: nasty storms, setting off a cascade of chaos for travelers. >> it was just really draining and frustrating. >> reporter: american and southwest airlines blaming summertime thunderstorms and weather-related challenges for the disruptions. but it is been a rocky summer for airlines dealing with crew and pilot shortages, reduced flight schedules and a record surge in travelers. >> there aren't a lot of pilots sitting in reserve. there aren't a lot of planes sitting in reservoir crew or staff and so when there is one cancelation, there is very little buffer or slack in the system. >> sarah johnson was rebooked from new york to chicago with two sons who were put on a different flight on another day. the airline was able to resox

-- resolve the issue and they were able to travel home together. >> and people get left having no idea where to go and what to do with answer no. answers and no compensation. >> reporter: now the department of transportation is proposing new guidelines hit with flight delays including allowing passengers a refund if an airline changes their departure or arrival time by at least three hours for a domestic flight. >> if it is enacted, it is the biggest expansion of traveller's rides in decades. >> and if you fly in europe, that is already on the books. so it is possible that the department of transportation here will be modeling similar rules for passengers with the airlines, for the next 90 days, if you're a regular flyer, you could reach out and give them their response. the i will check flight aware. we're now up to 382 flights

canceled and the numbers keep going up. >> 382 flights canceled, and it is not even 10:00 yet. i know you have been traveling all around the country for years, like i've flown a few too many million miles myself, i've never seen anything that remotely compared to the chaos that we've seen over the past six months. i'm curious, is the government working with the airlines? are people calling the ceo's of delta and american and jet blue and united and going, hey, guys, we gave you billions and billions of dollars during the bailout, fix this. what is going on? what can american -- what can americans be told this morning to believe that actually things are going to get better? because we had pete buttigieg on last week and he said things were getting better. they're not. >> reporter: yeah, you've got

first of all everybody pointing at each other. you have the pilot associations that are the unions that are pointing at the airlines themselves, the airlines that are pointing at the faa saying control towers are not staffed properly and then the airlines themselves, even as we've seen some of the airlines cutting back on the number of flights that they had scheduled so they could cause fewer delays and fewer problems. but even that doesn't seem to be working. i think the most -- the most difficult thing here to accept is that some analysts have projected that we're not going to see a solution to this problem until the year 2025. and -- >> oh, good lord. >> -- you have retirement at 65, maybe they should retire at 66 or 67 and keep the pilots on. remember, a lot of this happened because during the pandemic as you pointed out, joe, a lot of money went to the airlines but a lot of money went to people who encourage them to retire. take buyouts and then this rush of people coming back to fly,

maybe wasn't expected, certainly wasn't projected and so you have this confluence of problems and again weather is that other thing. this is the way i like at it, you fly a lot and you get it. the plane lands and you're making your way to the terminal and then you stop and you don't get to get out because there is rain in the area but it is not really the rain, it is the lightning and they go, well, we have a lightning problem so we can't get the luggage off we're going to stay for a little bit and that turn news an hour and the plane finally makes it in. the pilot is limited to 60 hours a week of flying by faa regulations, that time that they're sitting there that counts as part of the 60 hours so they finally get off and there is something we've all heard, they are out of hours and so you don't have a pilot. there isn't necessarily a pilot standing by at the airport to then hop on your flight and if he were even there, or she were even there, are they qualified to flight that particular

equipment, a 757, 737. so when the domino or the cascade of chaos as we talked about begins to happen, it is sort of an unsolvable problem which is why now, i'm going to take a look. let's see the numbers. just in the time i'm talking to you here, we're now up to 386 flights canceled today. >> that is not good. >> four more while answering that question. kerry, one final question quick, because when you're in terminal, at your gate, you hear about the pilot shortage and the flight attendant shortage and the tsa shortage. you mentioned air traffic controllers. are the air traffic controllers also, are they having a hard time with staffing with air traffic control, because so often we hear about routes being slowed down because you can't go through new york or you can't go through boston because of air

traffic control problems? >> reporter: well let's talk about the east coast, which is a heavily traveled route. the jacksonville atc center did have some staffing problems. the faa said that they have worked on filling that in, back filling and getting it up to staff. but, you know, it takes one person to call in sick and try to get somebody else. so it appears that the atc or the air traffic control system is now properly staffed. but again, there are still pilots complaining about that. so, there is a lot of different stories here. all i know is that as a customer, and i fly a lot, it is difficult to make your plans on what you're going to do and sometimes you now have to fly a day in advance to try to get to where you need rather than flying the day of because your just not sure what is going to happen with going to airport. it feels like it is a gamble. let me just check the numbers one more time, because i'm just -- i'm baffled by this. it is like watching the stock change. now up to 393.

393 canceled. >> and that is every time, a canceled plane. that is 100, 200 some people who can't get where they want to go. so those numbers add up. this is not a problem that is going away. nbc's kerry sanders. >> and mika. >> yeah. >> at the beginning of the hit, 378 flights have been canceled today. we're already up to 393. just unbelievable. nbc's kerry sanders, thank you so much as always for your great reporting. >> thank you, kerry. so another story we're following this morning. former lobbyist and trump campaign chairman paul manafort is giving her first in depth interview since serving time in prison. manafort was convicted in 2018 on bank fraud and tax charges. and sentenced to more than 7 years behind bars. he was eventually pardoned by then president trump in december of 2020. more than 7 months after he was

released from prison, and put on home confinement, due to the covid-19 pandemic. well this morning there are several bombshell revelations from manafort's new interview with "insider", first time that he is the one that funneled trump campaign data to russian oligarchs, not to swing the election to trump but to make money for himself. joining us now is the journalist with the exclusive interview with paul manafort, mattheus swart. what else did you find out from paul manafort? and does he seem as all regretful about what he did? >> he did not express any specific regrets. it is very interesting that he is now admitted that he gave

polling data and implied not all of the polling data was public. so this story about exactly what this relationship with clinton was continues to change six years on. he also talked about his relationship with the cia. he claimed that in the 1980s he worked closely with the cia and the white house for lobbyist. he's adamant trying to move to the west. the president of ukraine that manafort was working for. other people told me that. >> why did he decide to come clean with you now? >> i'm not sure. i don't know. he does have a memoir coming

out. i think he cares what people outside of trump world think sos about him. the crimes that he was convicted of he was working closely with the to former white house counsel so a lot of the things he was doing in ukraine there were dozens and dozens of people in washington eager to take that money. it's extremely unusual and concerning to have a senior member of a presidential campaign turning over internal data with someone who's in fact a russian spy. manafort even would joke that

maybe he was a russian spy. why meet with him and give him this stuff? he said he was trying to build up a reputation with russia. so while he was working for trump he was trying to set up his next gig and how to cash in later. to me this is -- his version of events to put a better picture. he says in politics everything is reputation. i don't think that's true but by his own account he was looking to get paid here and that involved turning over internal campaign data to a russian spy and a peace plan or at least discussing it that would have been a huge giveaway to putin in

ukraine and give control of ukraine and crimea. manafort's long time client in power. >> an open secret he was not optimistic about donald trump's chances of winning. he then didn't flip on the former boss. convicted and later pardoned. what is paul manafort's level of contact with donald trump now as the former president appears to be gearing up. what questions does this raise? >> i'm speculating here. i think that his contact with the trump campaign is probably, probably not insubstantial. he does tout trump's chances in the book. there's a lot in the book that

seems like it's designed for an audience of one of donald trump. he was not explicit about this with me but my sense is that he was trying to get back in. >> it is hard on consume sometimes. there's a delay. we appreciate your reporting this morning. joe, put this day in perspective for the democrats and for this presidency if you could. >> well, it is really -- it is not just this day. it is this week. the past month. the past several months. it's been legislatively by the standards at least that we measure success and failure by it's been an extraordinarily successful run for joe biden and democrats. after the democrats have come under searing attack of being

incompetent and started with me and many others looking at them sitting outside the hall debating for a year and a half in front of cameras about what should be done and shouldn't be done. joe manchin and chuck schumer because they have done this before they understood the only way to do it is to surprise the world with the announcement and what they did. the democratic success is one part of the story. the other part of the story is how republicans seem to keep politically stubbing the toe. over one issue after another. we have seen of course the extremism in the state legislatures on abortion and 18-year-olds buying weapons of war. we have seen over the past week republicans seemingly opposed,

va benefits. support china. in this case go against people with diabetes and siding with big pharmaceutical companies. this election is lining up to be fascinating this fall. >> tomorrow we will have house speaker nancy pelosi on the show and plus the trip to taiwan. that's tomorrow on "morning joe." that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the this is live coverage after a quick break. or an unbearable itch. this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. it could make your workday feel impossible. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older,

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