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non-gaming tribes have been left in the dust. wealthy tribes with big casinos make billions, while small tribes struggle in poverty. prop 27 is a game changer. 27 taxes and regulates online sports betting to fund permanent solution to homelessness. while helping every tribe in california. so who's attacking prop 27? wealthy casino tribes who want all the money for themselves support small tribes, address homelessness. vote yes on 27. heads to the democrat controlled house, which is expected to take it up on friday. this is not your typical spending package. it will represent the largest climate investment in u.s. history. and make major changes to our country's health care system. the bill will reduce the deficit through new taxes, including a
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15% minimum tax on large corporations. joe biden says at the end of the day, it is a win for the everyday americans. >> it's a game changer for ordinary folks. some of it won't kick in for a little bit, but it's all good. [ inaudible ] >> so will this streak of legislative wins help set the stage for a political rebound for democrats in november? victories, though, in washington rarely translate into success at the ballot box. just ask former president barack obama after he passed sweeping health care and financial reform packages, and still lost democratic control of congress. but will this time be different? things change pretty rapidly. joining me now from capitol hill are my guests. so, sahill, what's the word? >> well, it's been such a roller coaster journey for this piece
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of legislation over the last 18 months, it's had more deaths and resurrections. it got over the senate with a 50-50 vote broken by vice president kamala harris. after three dozen amendments were voted on, nearly all rejected by democrats in order to protect the integrity of the bill. so important it was for democrats to stick together, because republicans offered a number of amendments aimed at disrupting this. this bill goes to the house of representatives, which the rules committee is meeting this wednesday to tee it up for a vet on friday. it can get to joe biden's desk as early as this weekend. after that, it's on to the midterm elections. democrats in competitive races like mark kelly and raphael warnock are touting pieces of this, like the drug prices that are popular with seniors and older women above 50 who float between the two parties and
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progressives see it as an opportunity to tout a major investment in combatting climate change. i'm glad you mentioned the aca. i covered that as well. the big difference between that and this, there was an enormous amount of anger and animosity at the aca. this bill, on the other hand, is quite popular with the american public. they're not quite as easy to undermine, but republicans are arguing this is going to make inflation worse. >> this is not quite the same what we saw in 2010, obviously times are different. but democrats are still fighting inflation, there's still some uphill battles they need to win, including the president's approval ratings, which have been not so great. >> right. you can sense the tension from joe biden's own comments where he was mentioning that there were so many good things in this legislation, that at the end of
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the day might reduce health care costs or help people purchase things like electric vehicles, but it will take a number of years for those things to kick in. medicare doesn't each get the power to start negotiating the price of those drugs until 2026, i believe, which is much later than the upcoming november 2022 midterm elections. so this is the challenge that democrats face once again. they're basically saying hey, things are better than they appear. prices might be high, but we're doing something about it, but facing all of these attacks from republicans and others making the case we're approaching a recession and things might be worse than they seem. >> let's talk about the cap on insulin costs for millions. there's a cap for those in medicare, but not for those with private insurance. you heard about this, tony. you said, calling it a policy loss for democrats but as a political win as lowering the price of drugs like insulin is popular.
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at the end of the day, this is what average americans see. how do they even begin to justify a move like this? do they say in this is better for the prescription drug companies that they need to be able to set prices, and that this is just what the free market needs and it's good for everybody? >> yeah, that was some of the point that the must bes were making behind the scenes. you didn't hear a whole lot when this was brought up on the senate floor just a day or so ago. i think the other concern is there are a number of americans who are paying under $35 for insulin on private insurance. but all that being said, democrats really wanted to force this issue on the chamber floor. they had gotten an adverse ruling from the chamber's parliamentarian before even bringing the bill up for a vote, but knew it would be something that could give them a political cudgel. and they put senator warnock in front on this issue. he's put forward legislation on an insulin cap, and there were
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other bipartisan talks happening on capitol hill involving other members of the senate, but democrats got some sort of a victory. it wasn't the cap that they wanted for americans on private insurance, but it was something that many democrats tell me they plan to put out in the form of ads. >> it allows warnock to go to georgia and say i've done something while i've been here, this is why you need me back for another six years, because i can get more done. certainly helpful for that georgia race for democrats. thank you both for joining me. joining me now for more on this is ali zaidi, deputy white house national climate adviser. so the other big thing in this bill, ali, is the climate stuff. i mean, it's $370 billion to flight climate change. you have seen democrats actually weeping after this was passed because they feel like it was never going to get done, and that this can really make a difference in our battle to keep
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emissions down, and to keep the climate from warming even more. tell me about it. >> you know, this is so exciting. it genuinely supports the emotions people are feeling. it's not just because this will drive down emissions, and it will. this is the biggest, most ambitious action in driving down emissions in the history of the country. but this is climate action the way joe biden sold it, pitched it, and built a coalition around to the american people. this is going to create union jobs. it's going to lift up wages to build solar and wind prevailing wage requirements. requirements for apprenticeships. when we build the solar and wind, we're going to be drawing steel from here in the united states. this is a climate action made in america bill. so i think that's what is so powerful about this. this is going to clean up our communities, it's going to
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reinvigorate our economy, lift up folks into the middle class, who can now have careers making the technologies and installing the technologies that will help us deliver on our climate goals. >> let me ask you about rebates and these incentives, the carrots you're giving out not just for companies but individuals to make a turn toward cleaner energy. >> yeah. one of the things that is so exciting about this is what it empowers consumers to do. electric vehicles, rebates included in here for that. and not just a tax credit for new vehicles, but for a lot of americans who are out there in the used car market, a $4,000 tax credit for used vehicles. for folks who are looking to retro fit their homes, maybe shift to an electric heat pump, there's a rebate of up to $14,000 to help them pay for those upgrades. and for people who are looking around at their neighbors thinking hey, i could save money
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with solar or storage in my garage, there's a tax credit for that, and that tax credit is even more robust for folks living in low income communities that are often times overlooked when it comes to these technology. so this will save folks money right away, and make the technologies more affordable and accessible and create jobs here in the united states, making these technologies in the first place. >> one of the big things that democrats and climate activists have been asking for is a carbon tax. but that has not been politically feasible. it's just not popular. so why is it that you are turning away from that and using the carrot as i said a moment ago, the insentivizing of companies, how have you found that's made it easier to convince people -- like joe manchin who haven't been so enthusiastic about a lot of these climate provisions in the past?
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>> you know, the president made a very important, strategic decision when he came out in 2019 with his climate plan. he reinforced that with greater ambition and a climate plan in 2020. he built a coalition of labor of young people, of environmental justice leaders. folks from all around the country, urban and rural, and got 81 million votes in historic mandate for climate action. and the theory of the case was this -- we will empower the american people to make solutions here in america. we will lift up the workers who want to build these solutions, manufacture them with jobs that can support families. we will focus our efforts on communities that have suffered from pollution year in and year out. the legacy of environmental injustice. he prosecuted that theory from 2019 to today.
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that's what made these investments so resilient. it's that coalition and theory of the case, the hard work that joe biden put in, into keeping everyone united and get thing across the finish line. we've got to do that in the house and get this bill to his desk to sign into law. >> does it change the midterms? >> i think the american people have shown they are excited about this. this is a bipartisan issue outside of washington. 73% of americans lining up to say we've got to take action on this stuff. 81 million americans voting for joe biden to take climate action. you've got democratic and republican treasury secretaries and epa administrators, all aligned on the value of the actions we're taking here. so i think the president is leaning into something that the american people are enthusiastic about, and we're excited that we're able to make this big step
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forward. >> on a personal note, were you surprised that this got done? were you as surprised as someone like me? i was shocked when i heard about this deal that joe manchin came to the table. >> you know, the president likes to say it's never a good bet to bet against america. i like to say it's never a good bet to bet against joe biden. this is something he's invested so much time and effort into over the last several years, and we're seeing the benefit of that, a mdz the -- and the hard work from the leader and the speaker and everybody who will vote for it in the house to turn this into law. >> ali zaidi, thank you very much for being with us today. appreciate it. still ahead, the most dangerous nuclear development of the war in ukraine so far. russia and ukraine trade blame for shelling attacks on a power plant twice the size of chernobyl. and who we just learned is set to appear virtually for a
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indiana is now the first state to pass new abortion restrictions since roe was struck down. when it takes effect in mid september, the ban will be one of the most restrictive in the nation. it outlaws most abortions at zero weeks with narrow exceptions for victims of rape or incest. now, some of the biggest employers are coming out against the law in that state. eli lily says they plan on going outside of indiana. they employ about 10,000 people in the state, and has been headquarters inindianapolis for more than 145 years.
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joining me now are my guests. so this ban at zero weeks, walk me through it. >> well, it virtually outlaws all abortions with very narrow exceptions. that's in the case of rape and incest until ten weeks, the threat to the life of the mother, or a fetal abnormality that could be lethal. and this is going to impact more than just women who live in indiana, because women this that region have depended on clinics in that state for abortion care. so now women in that state and elsewhere are going to be leaning moreheavily on places like illinois and michigan. another company, an engine manufacturer, has said they're going to be looking at growing their base elsewhere. and so, you know, i think the connections between abortion restriction and the state's economic situation are going to become clearer and more dire. >> it reminds me of the bathroom ban in north carolina and what
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that did to business this that state. i want to focus more on the zero weeks. does that -- contraception, does that get involved in this, if you talk about the plan b bill, if you talk about getting rid of a baby at zero weeks, does post -- >> what does that really mean? nobody knows that they're pregnant at zero weeks. and while legislators say this does not touch contraception, people are nervous in indiana and elsewhere that this is the beginning. one of the interesting things about this legislation is nobody on either side is happy. people who are pro abortion are not happy and they're looking at their legal options and political options. but even those who worked on this legislation aren't happy. they wanted it to go further. they didn't want any exceptions to this at all. and so you can expect that they will be lobbying some of these
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lawmakers to come back and try again. >> you have some sound that you have for us, as well. >> yeah, take a listen to some of those lawmakers and feel like their work is unfinished. >> these kinds of decisions are never made in a vacuum, and there are polls going each way. but actually the insistence here is we protect as many people as possible. >> if you're pro life, you can't be happy. if you're pro choice, you can't be happy. i don't know who left here happy. all i know is, people need to go out and vote in november. >> i think the other thing that makes this so important and of national relevance is this is coming off the heels of a story that so many of us followed by a 10-year-old, who was raped in ohio and traveled to indiana to get abortion care. that case highlighted for people what is at stake here, and what may no longer be available to people like that 10-year-old in the coming days and months after this goes into effect. >> where might she go?
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let's talk about the political ramifications. we saw in kansas, even though kansas is a red state, voters said we want to protect access to abortion. that's abc news polling that shows 49% of americans would be more likely to support the candidate who would keep access legal, compared to 27% who would not. abortion historically has been a single issue voter -- single issue for voters on the republican side. not so much on the democratic side. does this change things among not just democrats, but independents and some of the more moderate republicans, as well? >> i think it does. i think this is a moving target, and some of those polls might be somewhat misleading. as you drill down into what people say about abortion, there are a lot of ambiguities about when they believe abortion should be legal. but there is a consensus that
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there ought to be at least some legal abortion in a first trimester. and so what you're seeing in kansas is not only is this mobilizing democrats and dividing republicans, it revealed there are swing voters and people who are looking at these extreme pieces of legislation being passed in places like oklahoma and texas and now indiana, and saying, you know, i really don't want that world. i am willing to take a position, even if i am pro life, that doesn't open the door to these kinds of things. so politically, one of the things that's been happening has been that republicans, by rushing to take the purest, most extreme position, have, in fact, begun to define the parameters of this debate. because one of the big questions i had is which party would be able to define the other party as extreme on this issue? and the republicans around the country are basically saying, hold my beer, look at the bills that we are willing to pass. and i think that that is going
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to -- that is going to be reflected in some of these polls. again, look at the polls when it comes to the number of americans who support banning abortion, even before say 6 to 15 weeks. this is a very, very small minority of the electorate. i think that's what republicans have embraced. >> when you're talking about the first trimester, you have a lot of americans. the second trimester, it gets less popular. let me ask you a technical question. this comes on the heels of an interview i did last hour about how these state legislatures are out of step with voters across the country because they don't care because they're protected because of the way districts have been gerrymandered. so if you have these gerrymandered district where is republicans cannot lose, but you have republicans taking extreme positions on abortion and you have republicans saying i don't like this, does that make those
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districts potentially, perhaps a little bit less safe for republicans? >> it might. i think you might see most of the fallout from this at the state level, which, you know, can't be jerry manlderred. >> that's what i'm talking about, state level, not federal. >> i'm talking about, you know, not just legislative seat, but races for governor. races for senate. you saw this in kansas where it was not close. my guess is if you had a similar referendum in indiana, you would get similar results, each though that is a red state, because this is very much out of step. now, i think that one of the things you're seeing is that, look, the pro life movement has been pushing this issue for 50 years, and it is intellectually consistent to think if you think it's murdering a baby, but that is wildly out of step with the
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main stream electorate, and there are these swing voters, particularly in the suburban areas, who i think are going to be very, very turned off by this. and while republicans might say privately that they would like to change lanes or moderate their approach, i don't think it's going to be easy for them. in fact, what you're seeing is, they're at ramming speed. in part, because nobody really wants to stand up against the loudest voices in their own base. and in part, that is because of the way the districts are drawn, that for the same reason you have republicans unwilling to push back against the big lie, because they know the primary electorate is demanding that, and republican primary voters are demanding the purest possible position on abortion, which, again, is going to set up a real difficulty for many of these republicans during a general election. >> if you're talking about the single biggest issue to get representative democracy back, it's partisan gerrymandering. the second biggest issue is dark
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money. charlie, thank you so much. antonia, thank you, as well. coming up, the next primary to serve as a proxy war when the establishment and the trump wing of the republican party, we'll go there. mandela barnes is not in that specific part of the race, that's the democrat running. we'll get there. and details on the pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate set to testify before the january 6th committee. 6th committee. i want to feel in control of my health, so i do what i can. what about screening for colon cancer? when caught in early stages it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers, even in early stages. early stages? yep, it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. consider it done.
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virtually before the committee. it's not clear how fruitful this will be, because there is a dispute about the terms of his appearance, and if they don't resolve that, his lawyer indicated that this meeting could be very, very short. now, the committee wants testimony from him on two different fronts. the first, he was apparently here, present outside the capitol on january 6th. that based on his public statements, he said he saw agitators getting in the place of police and pushing the police up the capitol steps. the second is, the committee says they believe he had knowledge of, and participated in a plan to arrange for an alternate slate of electors to be presented to the senate, to keep donald trump in power, each though he lost the 2020 presidential election fair and square. the committee alleges that they believe he spoke to donald trump and they want to talk to him about those conversations, and the theorys that were motivating him to take these actions. finally, he is the republican
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nominee to be governor of pennsylvania, the birth place of american democracy. one of the things that his opponent, josh shapiro, likes to point out is that in pennsylvania, the governor gets to appoint the secretary of state, which oversees elections. and democrats in particular, including some republicans, worry that someone like him is a bit too extreme for a state like pennsylvania. >> some republicans were worried about it, as well. they thought he would be unelectable this that race for governor. thank you so much. tomorrow is primary day for voters in wisconsin. we will be watching the very competitive republican primary for governor to take on tony evers, and former president trump and his vice president mike pence find themselves once again on opposing sides. joining me now from wisconsin is shaquille brewster. so shaq, talk to me about this gop race. it's almost a battle of the extremes.
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>> reporter: you almost have a little proxy battle, it has republican voters here in wisconsin saying they are stressed, that they are confused. many of them saying that they will not make a decision until they hit the voting booth tomorrow. that's because of all the popular republican politicians that have weighed into this race in some form or fashion. you start with former president donald trump endorsing tim michaels, who wasn't even registering in polls or included in polls but surged to the front after that endorsement from former president trump. then you have former vice president mike pence. you have former governor of wisconsin scott walker. they're backing former lieutenant governor rebecca clayfish here. so as republicans evaluate this race, they're torn. just listen to a little bit of what they have been telling me. >> i'm going to go with trump. that's just my thing. >> you're going with what trump suggests over scott walker? >> yes. >> i think it would be good to have someone lead thing state that is not connected to
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politics at all this their life. so i think that's why i'm making the vote for michaels. >> i was a supporter of trump, which i have backed off on completely. so that puts me against michaels, and honestly, i thought rebecca would get the support of trump because of walker. so it's been a flip-flop. so i just don't know who to trust. >> sounds like you're stressed. >> oh, yeah. >> reporter: i think when you listen to that last exchange, katy, it's important to note that voters are listening to these endorsements and paying attention. they say yes, it might not create my ultimate decision, but it does weigh into that decision that they're making, especially with candidates in which they're not too familiar with. this is a race that will have national implications. whoever wins tomorrow will take on democratic governor tony evers here in wisconsin. a battle ground state where
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elections always have razor thin margins. he's been the democratic governor blocking some of the legislation that republicans have passed to tighten election laws. >> wisconsin went for trump, then biden. razor thin margins. shaq, thank you very much. school districts across the country are scrambling to find a solution to a nationwide teacher shortage, as kids are starting to return to the classroom. according to "the washington post," rural districts in texas are switching to four-day weeks. that's not great for parents. florida is asking veterans with no teaching background to teach, not great for kids. and arizona is letting college students step in. jessie kirsch has more. >> reporter: the school year's first bell is also an alarm bell, as schools nationwide struggle to find enough teachers. >> we're seeing a mad scramble to fill classrooms. >> reporter: florida alone has more than 8,000 teacher
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openings, and 6,000 support positions untilled. >> there's been a teacher shortage for years. what you're seeing now is that it's reached a tipping point. >> reporter: the american federation of teachers says issues like low salaries aren't new. but the pandemic has pushed more educators away. >> teachers have assumed so many more responsibilities in the aftermath of covid, and yet have to do all the old things. >> reporter: the nation's second largest teacher's union recommends a salary bump. school districts in nevada and texas are already paying up. >> look, we had to do something to stop the bleeding. >> reporter: the dallas independent school district is offering $60,000 to start, plus signing bonuses and other incentives. >> dallas is doing everything they can. >> reporter: that strategy also includes letting teachers start before they're fully certified. arizona and alabama, two more states where teaching qualifications are being relaxed. >> we want to get highly
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qualified teachers in every school. >> reporter: in florida, military veterans who served four years can become teachers, even without a bachelors degree. >> as a student, i would want my teacher to be educated in what they're teaching us about just so we can succeed. >> would we even be thinking about this, if it was a pilot or an engineer or a doctor? it's part of the disrespect that you think that you can just put a body in front of kids. >> reporter: a messaging problem that some say is fuelling the exodus, and ultimately, your kids will pay the price. >> our classes are going to be packed to the max and kids will have subs, teachers that are not qualified to teach those specific classes. >> and now that moscow has handed down brittney griner's nine-year sentence, what is mexx? if latest on a prisoner swap. and what happened in ukraine that has the u.n. warning of a disaster? a disaster lily! welcome to our third bark-ery.
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travis and greg mcmichael were already serving a life sentence for state charges. a judge require they serve in state prison, not federal prison. dozens of migrants arrived in new york city on buses sent by texas governor greg abbott. mayor eric adams called the move horrific and accused him of using innocent people as political pawns to manufacture a crisis. ukraine and russia are blaming each other for the shelling of ukraine's largest nuclear power plant. the plant is located in russian controlled territory, but it's still run by ukrainian staff. according to ukraine's national energy company, that company tells nbc news the recent shelling is the most dangerous nuclear development of the war so far. and joining us now from
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odesa, ukraine, is josh letterman. so josh, what is the latest? >> reporter: well, both sides are still blaming each other for this shelling, katy, which is now occurred for the third day in a row. but just to paint a picture for you, there are six nuclear reactors at this site. the largest nuclear plant in all of europe. so it's more like a small city than it is one specific site. and that is contributing to the haziness of exactly what has gone on. we know that russian troops have been based at the site. in fact, the head of the state nuclear agency tells me there are about 500 russian troops and 50 russian military vehicles there and have been using areas right around the site to launch missile and rocket attacks at nearby towns. and so the ukrainians have been trying to defend themselves without shelling the plant itself. so it's very unclear who exactly has been launching this.
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but when i spoke to the head of the yoouk agency here about exactly what the risk is, if there's more shelling, he told me this. >> if there's more shelling at this power plant, is there a risk of a major nuclear incident? >> for sure. this only depends on where it will be actually pointed. so, so if it goes to nuclear reactor or to this spent fuel storage facility, by the second rocket just destroys it, and that will be a catastrophe, a radiation catastrophe. >> reporter: i spoke to a white house national security official today, katy, who told me there are still signals coming from this plant that are being monitored by the energy department back in the u.s. that show the radiation levels are still normal. but ukrainian officials say they could go up at any time, and today, they're also saying that they believe russia has placed
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land mines at the nuclear facility. >> wow. josh letterman, thank you very much. and pressure is growing on joe biden to bring wnba star brittney griner home, along with former u.s. marine paul whelan. today, there is new optimism from bill richardson, who has been involved in prisoner swaps in the past and is unofficially involved in brittney griner's case. >> i'm optimistic. i think she's going to be freed. i think she has the right strategy of contrition, a good legal team. there's going to be a prisoner swap, though. i think it will be 2 for 2, involving paul whelan. >> joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall. ambassador, what do you think of richardson's optimism? >> well, i'm cautiously optimistic too, because secretary blinken has been talking about it. i don't think the secretary of state would be talking an't a prisoner swap if they didn't have a real offer on the table.
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tragically, brittney griner has been convicted to 9 1/2 years, so that phase is over, and they can get to the negotiations. exactly what they're about, we don't know. the russians have not spoken on the record about it at all. i hope it's three innocent americans for one criminal. i get very nervous when people talk about a second russian. the guy they're talking about is an assassin. he killed somebody on the streets of berlin. i hope he will not be part of this deal. >> that's the guy we are showing right now. when you talk about one russian, who is that? >> that's viktor bout. he's a really bad guy. he was dealing in all kinds of horrible things for many, many years. it took us many years to arrest him in thailand. we brought him here, convicted criminal. and while i was ambassador years
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ago, the russians were trying to get him out of jail, because i believe it's his ties to the intelligence services like vladamir putin. they want to get their comrade out of jail. so i think that creates a lot of leverage for the americans in this negotiation. >> so if he is -- if he's off the table, if he's not going to be somebody that we swap, two do we have right now that would be of interest to the russians? >> well, i think bout is the guy we'll swap. i was talking about the other guy. he was an fsb, maybe gru, i'm not exactly clear, but we believe in the public reporting about him, he killed somebody in berlin. and that's in the russian press. that's the name that has come on this two for two that ambassador richardson was talking about. >> sorry, i was not following there, but keep going. >> that was my fault, not yours.
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i switched gears there. bout is a horrible criminal, served time in jail. should be part of the swap. but to add this assassin as the russians have been talking about, this two for two doesn't make any sense for me. we're talking about two russian criminals for two innocent americans? not a good trade. >> let me ask you about the mess ajit sends to other countries about detaining american citizens to get leverage for someone we might have. our status has always been don't negotiate with terrorists because you don't want to incentivize terrorism. isn't this the same sort of thing? >> yes, and no. on the one hand, one should be concerned about that. i'm not comfortable about giving criminals get out of free jail cards. but i have been involved in these swaps before, in a spy swap in 2010. and the president of the united states and his team have to
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weigh the cost/benefit of the signal for the future versus trying to get people free today. i should say in the academic literature, there's very little evidence of this theory that oh, if yo do this now, governments are going to capture more americans in the future. there's not that correlation with governments. terrorists might be a different thing, but it doesn't exist with governments. so i think it's a thing we all think about, but the data doesn't support it happens. >> when things do -- i mean, i don't want to predict that they are going to settle down, but looking in the future, would you feel comfortable going back to russia as an american? >> no. first of all, i can't go back. i'm on the sanctions list, personally. second, the russians have accused mecrimes that i committed while working at the white house, so i won't go back as an individual. but americans should be very careful. there's no rule of law in russia today.
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so the notion that your rights are being abused, yes, and russian rights are being abused. so my message to anybody right now in putin's russia, do not expect that you will be treated to the normal rules normal rules and procedures and -- and defense mechanisms that you might have in a democratic society. you won't. >> the royal you. michael mcfall, thank you very much for being with us and for giving it to us straight. we appreciate it. thank you very much, sir and we'll be right back. e it thank you very much, sir and we'll be right back. a delicious boost of plant based caffeine from guarana and green coffee extract. enjoy these and more when you join panera's unlimited sip club.
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