♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> this is some third world [ bleep ] right here. let me say it again, third world [ bleep ]. >> the fbi is the gestapo. >> make no mistake, if you're associated with donald trump in any way cross all your is and dot all your ts because they are coming for you. >> despite the freakout from the right, there are serious legal ramifications for trump as we're learning more about yesterday's fbi search, but what consequences there will be for the dark maga forces threatening violence on social media, some

not even bothering to disguise their identities. and why should -- why you should not buy into the hype that the fbi search at mar-a-lago is somehow unprecedented. good evening, i'm jason johnson in for joy reid and we begin 24 hours perhaps after the biggest story of the american presidency, that for the first time in history the fbi conducted a search at the home of a former president, that of donald trump. we have learned a lot more about what went down in his mar-a-lago residence, but there are still a lot of up answered questions. a source familiar with the matter tells nbc news that the search was tied to classified information trump allegedly took with him when he left the white house. remember back in february the national archives asked the justice department to investigate if trump's handling of white house records violated federal law. it came a month after the archives retrieved 15 boxes of presidential records taken to

mar-a-lago. nbc news that the fbi notified trump's secret service detail guarding the property in advance and presented their warrant from a judge permitting them to enter. white house officials tell nbc news they had no prior knowledge of the search and justice department officials are refusing to comment. trump was not at mar-a-lago at the time. he's been staying in his new jersey golf club in bed minister where he's meeting tonight with a group of house republicans. trump's own lawyer has confirmed that the fbi, quote, seized paper from mar-a-lago. what that papers may include is still unclear though members of the trump family are trying to downplay what might have been found at trump's florida home. >> my father always kept clippings, you know, press clippings. he would, have you know, newspaper articles, pictures, notes from us. when my mom passed away a couple weeks ago, he still had all the notes, you know, over the years had been saved, all the notes that she had ever written him. it's a beautiful thing. my father savings clippings and

things like that so he had boxes, right, when he moved out of the white house. >> my father-in-law anyone who knows around him alive laughs to save things like newspaper clippings, photographs, documents that he had ever authority to take from the white house. >> yeah. now, i didn't pass the bar but i know a little bit to know that the fbi can't illegally search trump's residence without good reap. the decision to seek the warrant would be heavily scrutinized at the doj and then a federal judge would need to be convinced that not only is there probably cause that a crime was committed but that there was actual evidence of the crime at the location to be searched. according to dave arenburg, the state attorney for palm beach county where mar-a-lago resides what, we saw yesterday was likely about a lot more than just newspaper clippings. >> this search warrant in my mind would never have been issued if it was merely about removing government documents. if it was merely about that trump kept keep stakes from kim

jong-un. this most likely, in my mind, involved a willful removal or destruction of classified documents that could jeopardize national security. >> joining me now is jessica levenson, professor at loyola law school, paul butler professor at georgetown law school and a former federal prosecutor and daniel goldman, candidate for new york's tenth congressional district, also a former assistant district attorney for the southern district of new york and the lead counsel for the trum impeachment trial. thanks for joining us this evening. this is going to be quite the night. daniel, i'll start with you. we've just gotten word that not only was thereto raid yesterday but that it had nothing to do with the january 6th impeachment, nothing to do with the attack one way or another, but is there a possibility from your experience and your knowledge that what was discovered there could end up in the hands of the january 1th committee or in another division at the doj if tends up being helpful? >> yeah. it's definitely possible that

some of the materials could be relevant, but my guess is that they had very specific evidence related to some important documents that were in mar-a-lago and that trump was not coughing up. you can be sure this was not press clippings or magazine photos or keepsakes. that is absolutely not what would lead a judge to authorize a search warrant. so if it's -- i think we all suspected it related to the classified documents, but i think it's really important to understand that donald trump and his lawyers were in regular discussions both with the fbi and with the national archives up through june, and then they issue a swarn, and that would only come about because there was no other way that they could be certain to get the materials that they uncovered were in the mar-a-lago residence, and they

almost certainly uncovered them because they had witness testimony that identified exactly what was there and where it was, so the reason they had to go forward with the search warrant rather than a subpoena or a simple request is because they had evidence that donald trump or others were either concealing these documents, potentially would destroy these documents or otherwise may have been obstructing this investigation. >> paul, my question is if these were sort of archival documents, things that trump was still holding on to, what potentially could he be doing with this? look, when we think of white house archives, that could be anything from who visited the white house t.korb important secret information they are selling to foreign leaders. what on earth could trump actually be doing with documentation that he took with him from the white house? i think that's something that a lot of the public would be curious about. >> nothing legitimate, jason.

classified documents can be serious if they implicate national security or trump was holding on to sensitive information that he might use to share with foreign governments or to bribe or embarrass his political opponents. still withholding classified documents is not punished as felonies like sedition or obstruction of congress which other grand juries are reportedly investigating trump for, but as you pointed out, if the agents who executed this search warrant come across other incriminating evidence relating to those crimes, they are allowed to seize that evidence, so that search warrant is kind of a two-for. >> brief sore 11son, what we've seen here from the former member of the trump administration is quoted as saying, look, just a reminder trump has a copy of the warrant which will include what they searched for and what crimes they believe were broken.

he can release that whenever he wants. this is somebody who would be part of the administration. what would be the value with donald trump sharing with the public hey, this is what the warrant said and this is the information and why might he not have release that had yesterday when he had the opportunity and still released a statement complaining? >> well, i think the value for him is low because he's claiming that this is a political witch hunt when in fact what we're witnessing is really just legal proceedings. we're just seeing the legal process play out, so i think there's very little value to him because as you laid out so clearly what we have here is a member of federal law enforcement, the department of justice, swearing upped oath a federal crime was committed, there's probable cause of that. there's probable cause that evidence of that crime is at mar-a-lago and that independently a federal judge, a magistrate judge saying yes, i agree with you, go ahead and so i think it would hurt president trump's narrative then if he gives us, if he shows us the search warrant.

i have a strong suspicion that that would show that there was in fact very specific reasons that the fbi had to go in. as you just had the discussion, if they were willing to provide this information, then you don't have to execute a search warrant, and so there's really no win for the former president. i think there's a win for the public. >> right. >> but if you want to peddle i think the false narrative that this is just a political witch hunt then you don't provide that search warrant. >> let's bring in mark caputo, senior national political reporter for nbc news digital. thanks so much for joining us tonight. my question is how is this resonating back in d.c. now in the white house has said, hey, we had no idea. we had ron desantis saying oh, my goodness, that's terrible, but in washington, d.c. there have to be democrats who are either privately cheering or at least publicly saying that we're happy that something is happening. what's sort of the national fervor in the democratic party when it comes to this raid investigation? >> what you're not hearing publicly from democrats is that they don't want to be gloating

about this, but it's a good day for them. the reality is president barack obama, while republicans -- president biden, while republicans don't like it, has just completed signing or just completed a good stretch of signing legislation he's pushed forks and on the day after he gets his big legislative agenda accomplished, the former president winds up having the fbi search his state in a criminal case. this is the contrast that president biden would like to run against. there is this belief along some in trump world that oh -- and you see it on twitter. joe biden is scared of facing donald trump. it's kind of the opposite. there are a lot of people in biden's orbit and in the democratic party who are broadly -- the hill wrote a story about this, that believe that, look, president biden's best matchup is former president trump. it's not some of the other guys like ron desantis, and the

reality is perhaps paradoxically this big fbi search of trump's state, of mar-a-lago, has had a rallying effect among republicans around their chief, the former commander in chief, who is now ready -- more ready and willing than ever to run for office again and setting up a showdown against joe biden. that's the guy that joe biden wants to run against, so it looks like both of them are sort of hurtling towards each other. both of them want to face each other, but as far as democrats are concerned, donald trump is a much better opponent for joe biden than say ron desantis. >> paul, i'm curious about this because many on the right and even just maybe some skeptical americans are like, well, it's -- it's just document. it's just additional information. you know, why they got to stick him for his papers, we don't understand this. you worked with the magistrate that signed the warrant that made this raid possible. can you give us a little insight

into this individual, you know. was he a strong part st. anne did he hate donald trump, or was he the kind of person that would only sign over this kind of warrant if he thought it was absolutely necessary for the safety of this country? >> jason is a -- the answer to your question is i don't know the judge's politics. i worked with him for several years in the public integrity section of the department of justice, but we didn't talk about partisan politics as i'm sure merrick garland who approved this raid also didn't. but it's also significant that in approving this search warrant, the alternative would be that the grand jury could have subpoenaed the materials and allowed trump to handle them over on his own terms so the warrant means that donald trump

does not trust him from tampering with evidence. >> when i step back and look at this from 3 up feet away, have you a former president with classified documents in his home. he was asked to return them. they had to come down and get them himself. what are some of the legal consequences that he could face for this alone, for simply this alone? i'm a college professor. i know if you're too late with a library book we're not going to let you graduate. what are some of the things that can happen legally to any official who takes federal documents and keeps them in their home so long that the fbi has to go in and get them? >> or really for any period of time and you're just not willing to hand them over. oh, my gosh, i'm so sorry. i didn't realize that was in my basement, attic, safe, et cetera, so what are the punishments here? think based on the federal is it the use the that we're looking at, one of them would say he could face up to three years in federal prison, by think also what's important to note is

maybe what's not on the table. there's part of this federal statute that we're talking about which says that if you are in fact convicted for basically taking documents that you shouldn't take, destroying documents that you could in fact be disqualified from holding federal office, and federal office i think would include the presidency. the problem here is the constitution that actually lays out the qualifications for being president is and when there is a conflict between the constitution and a congressional statute, we know who wins, and it's the constitution. so i know there's been a lot of talk about if he's convicted would he be disqualified from holding office again? i think the answer is no. he's over 35. he was born in this country. he's lived here for 14 years. if we want to look at a constitutional provision that would potentially prohibit him from being president again, that's part of the 14th

amendment, section 3 that i know you've talked about dealing with really giving aid to an insurrection or a rebellion or enemies of the united states. that's separate and apart from the what we're looking at with respect to this fbi search yesterday. >> daniels, i think this is a key thing because you were a part of sort of the impeachment trial of the former president of the united states. one of the goals of the impeachment trial, one of the things that people who were concerned about american democracy have really focused on, if we could just keep this guy from ever holding office again, you know, then maybe we can make this country slightly safer going forward. my question for you is as professor 11 sob just laid out, yes, perhaps, the constitution will trump sort of a congressional statute. do you think that is a -- i'm sorry, do you think that is a fight that democrats would be willing to make? would you think that this administration or the doj would be willing to say, hey, we're going take to this the supreme court. we want to see if we can knock him out of the box before he can even announce? >> i doubt it. i mean, if he is convicted for

this charge, i think they would look very carefully. they would get an opinion from the office of legal counsel, but my suspicion is they probably wouldn't take it all the way up for the reasons that -- that jessica said. i think the bigger issue here is the threat to democracy that donald trump continues to make, and part of that is because he is now reportedly going to announce his candidacy for 2024 sooner than otherwise thought because of this raid and the reap is running for president and trying to steal the election and install himself as president is his best criminal defense strategy. he is making this out to be political. that's always what we expected him to do, but he is going to try to use this as a political wedge to get his voters out, to try to install himself and he will do anything necessary

because he views the presidency as safe haven, and he wasn't charged while he was president last time because of the doj regulations, and he is going to do everything he possibly can to get back in there so it will be his safe haven. the threats with our democracy that started with the first impeachment, escalated so significantly obviously with january 6th, they are continuing, and i suspect they are going to get worse, not better, until donald trump ultimately either loses the presidency or is put in jail. >> thanks, marc caputo, professor 11sons. up next on "the reidout," the total irresponsible response from those on the right including kevin mccarthy and his

threat to attorney general merrick garland. o attorney genel merrick garland. announcer: type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone.

in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. announcer: ozempic® provides powerful a1c reduction. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. and you may lose weight. adults lost up to 14 pounds. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. gallbladder problems may occur. tell your provider about vision problems or changes. taking ozempic® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase low blood sugar risk. side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. join the millions already taking ozempic®.

ask your health care provider about the ozempic® tri-zone. announcer: you may pay as little as $25 for a 3-month prescription. finding the perfect project manager isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found him. he's in adelaide between his daily lunch delivery and an 8:15 call with san francisco. and you can find him, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com wanna help kids get their homework done? talented pros, right now well, an internet connection's a good start. but kids also need computers. and sometimes the hardest thing about

homework is finding a place to do it. so why not hook community centers up with wifi? for kids like us, and all the amazing things we're gonna learn. through projectup, comcast is committing $1 billion so millions more students can continue to get the tools they need to build a future of unlimited possibilities.

for those of us who have been critical of the doj and thought it would take a miracle to see any action against trump yesterday's raid on mar-a-lago was impressive. you asked for miracles, theo, i give you the fbi. on the other hand, on the other hand were republicans from congress and fox news having fits terrified that their dear leader might be held accountable. kevin mccarthy is vowing to

investigate the department of justice telling attorney general merrick garland to clear his calendar and congressman andy biggs comparing the search to the death of libyan dictator moammar gadhafi while congressman marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert were calling to defund the police, oh, i'm sorry, the fbi. even mike pence came to his former boss' defense demanding full accounting from the ag. meantime, fox over at fox news were also to put it lightly having an absolute meltdown. >> but when we get power back, it's time to hold everyone accountable. the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in congress who have abused their power. >> there is no justification for sending 30 friggin' fbi agents to the former president's compound in mar-a-lago. this is the worst attack on this republic in modern history, period! >> the fbi right now is the gestapo. >> this is some third world

[ bleep ] right here. let me say it again. third world [ bleep ]. i mean every word that have. >> how about the benghazi scandals, how about the clint op foundation. how many shady oligarchs from russia were contribute nothing that? how about uranium one? you want to talk about scandals that were never investigated. >> joining me now doug jones, former democratic senator from alabama and former u.s. attorney and chermichael singleton, republican consultant and host of the screen share shows on peacock. former senator jones, i'll start with you. we just had breaking news that scott perry, a trump ally and republican member of congress from pennsylvania, has released a statement to fox saying, hey, they took my cell phone. they grabbed my cell phone. do you think that this could be in some way connected to what woe saw in the radio? do you think it's part of the doj's overall investigation into people allied with trump because at this particular point everything that happens in the

24 to 48 hours after this raid people are going to try to link back to what happened at mar-a-lago? >> yeah, it could be. we just don't know. i mean, that's the thing about fbi investigations and department of justice investigations. there is so much that we won't know for sometime. you know, hopefully there will be a time relatively soon where more information will be available. we're just not going to be able to see it for a little bit because we don't know exactly where this investigation is moving. what we do know is that there were classified materials at mar-a-lago, boxes that were taken out when donald trump left the white house. they retrieved some. some of them were torn up and had to be taped back together. they tried to get others and couldn't get it so they had to execute a search warrant, and i will tell you that this was carefully thought out. believe me. the attorney general of the united states fully understood the ramifications of this both politically and locally and they dotted all the is and crossed all the ts and we'll get more

information later. >> shermichael, how is this all resonating behind the zones in the republican party right now? look, publicly everybody is going to say oh, my gosh. this is outrageous. this is terrible, everything else like that, but privately are people concerned in is money going to dry up? do you have people saying oh, my gosh, did i leave my walt there, what's going on there? what's going on behind the scenes and the brave faces on the part of the republican party right now? >> yeah, doc, thanks for that question. i took the opportunity to reach out to several former colleagues from previous campaigns i worked on, many of whom are still involved with the rnc. some are working on some current sinatro lexs across the -- campaigns rather across the country, and the responses were interesting. i had a few weeks who said, you know, i really thought that even if trump were to run that desapt as i would probably continue to move up in the polls. as one person said, man, this is

crazy because even if desantis would try to run now i'm almost certain that trump is going to be the nominee in 2024. this isn't good for the party. others said that this is a great opportunity for the party to fund rays off of, that the president should even announce early because it is will likely galvanize republican voters in ways that the republicans have been trying to replicate, that they haven't been able to do so effectively without trump really being out there. without giving those voters the red meat, full, and so politically, doc, the answer and responses that i've gotten from colleagues have varied. some folks are just not happy at all, and i know a lot of viewers who are watching the network saying desantis is worse than trump but from a republican perspective a lot people that desantis could bring some normalcy back, regardless of what think about his political ideology and many articulated to me they don't think that that matters now that this has occurred trump will portray

himself as a victim and will likely fund rays a lot more that he's been doing rather effectively and more than likely he'll move up his announcement day and the friend that i talked to who do like him and who are working on the campaigns they don't see that as a bad thing. >> i don't see how desantis could be more normal. this is a guy who goes after buzz light year and mickey mouse and says, you know, there's a link to pedophiles. i want to ask you. i want to get a response to the statement from desantis who said the raid at mar-a-lago is another escalation and weaponization of federal agencies against a regimes epolitical opponent while people like hunter biden get treated with kid gloves and now the irs is getting another 87,000 people to work against their adversaries. when you hear a statement like this, is this just him covering himself because he doesn't want to appear to be giddy that donald trump is potentially getting in trouble, or do you think this is an authentic statement from an otherwise

inauthentic autocrat in the making? >> i mean, come on, doc, you're a political scientist. senator doug jones is on the show. as we know what this is all about. he is trying to portray normalcy here. i'm as concerned as what's going on with donald trump, and that statement from a messaging perspective is really intriguing to me, doc. you and i have talked about the conservative disposition philosophically over the past couple of years now, and it's fair to say that conservatives are generally more skeptical about government and its entities for a whole host of reason, at least traditionally speaking, so when i look at that message, what i'm seeing is the representization of that philosophical belief of conservatives saying this is why we should be against these government entities which are supposed to protect us and provide normalcy and protect the institutions of the country and that i would say is an intellectual maneuver that desantis is a really smart guy. that's sort of the way i view

this. >> senator jones, we also have some information here on continuing investigations that, of course, republicans will not be as angry about now because they are trying to be upset about the raid. there's a ruling that upheld the fact that trump's tax records can now go to the january 6th committee. how significant is that legally as far as the arguments against trump about him possibly getting in trouble for financial malfeasance? how important is it politically that those tax records will be a part of season two of the january 6th committee that we'll be getting in a couple of weeks? >> you know, i think it's always significant because donald trump has gone to such lengths to withhold those tax returns and everybody has thought why? every other presidential candidate has released their tabs returns except for donald trump, and he has got such tangled web of financial dealings that you've got to figure there's something there that maybe is not illegal but is certainly not going to look very good in this, and i -- and, you know, the republicans tend to

move the goal poempts all of a sudden we've heard nothing from them about the january 6th committee. all they said was let's talk bip flakes. now all of a sudden as things -- the circle gets tighter around donald trump, inflation just doesn't seem tonight issue. it is this investigation, and the loudest voices, the loudest voices are the most extreme voices. you don't hear a lot of comments from some of the more establishment republicans because they know the significance of a search warrant that was authorized, doc, authorized by united states district judge, not the department of justice. >> right. >> they don't complain when the judiciary overturns "roe v. wade" and overturns gun laws in new york, but let them complain when a search warrant was issued. the hypocrisy is pretty stunning. >> i just have to say the citizens of of alabama lost a fantastic senator when you left office. thank you both for joining us

tonight on "the reidout." >> what next? what right wing politicians and pundits are saying about the search may be laughable, but you won't be laughing when you see when it spawned in the dark corners of the internet. stay with us after this break. corners of the internet. stay with us after this break. lily! welcome to our third bark-ery. oh, i can tell business is going through the “woof”. but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws at&t 5g is fast, reliable and secure for your business. finding the perfect designer isn't easy.

but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a fresh bowl of matcha and a fresh batch of wireframes. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com [upbeat music playing] ♪♪ welcome to home sweet weathertech home. a place where dirt stays outside. and floors are protected. where standing is comfortable. and water never leaves a mark. it's spotless under the sink. and kids can be kids. order your american made products at weathertech.com. - [female narrator] they line up by the thousands. each one with a story that breaks your heart. like ravette... every step, brought her pain. their only hope: mercy ships. the largest floating civilian hospital in the world. bringing free surgeries to people who have no other hope. $19 a month will help provide urgently needed surgery

for so many still suffering. so don't wait, call the number on your screen. or donate at mercyships.org. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. all smart beds are on sale. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. only for a limited time. as someone with hearing loss i know what a confusing and frustrating experience getting hearing aids can be. that's why i founded lively. affordable, high-quality hearing aids with all of the features you need, and none of the hassle. i use lively hearing aids and it's been wonderful. it's so light and so small but it's a fraction of the cost of the other devices. they cost thousands less. it's insanely user friendly. you take the hearing test online, the doctor programs in the settings. you don't even need to go into an office. they're delivered to your door in a few days and you're up and running in no time.

it connects via bluetooth to my phone. you can stream music and you can answer phone calls. the audiologist was so incredible she's full of all kinds of little helpful hints i love it. they're a game changer for me. i feel like i can take on anything. it feels great to be in control of my hearing. better hearing has never been this easy. try lively risk-free for 100 days. visit listenlively.com non-gaming tribes have been left in the dust. wealthy tribes with big casinos make billions, while small tribes struggle in poverty. prop 27 is a game changer. 27 taxes and regulates online sports betting to fund permanent solution to homelessness.

while helping every tribe in california. so who's attacking prop 27? wealthy casino tribes who want all the money for themselves support small tribes, address homelessness. vote yes on 27. large out-of-state corporations have set their sights on california. they've written prop 27, to allow online sports betting. they tell us it will fund programs for the homeless. but read prop 27's fine print. 90% of profits go to out-of-state corporations, leaving almost nothing for the homeless. no real jobs are created here. but the promise between our state and our sovereign tribes would be broken forever. these out-of-state corporations don't care about california. but we do. stand with us. the freakout on fox news over the fbi search at mar-a-lago pales in comparison to the far more frightening

meltdown happening in the dark corners of the right wing internet. nbc's ben collins reports that the most popular comment on the pro trump site the donald read lock and load with the user of the chat thread asking are we not in a cold civil war at this point? i don't even know what that means. the user posting about civil war is a washington man awaiting sentencing for storming the capitol on january 66th. the comments at war are not limited to anonymous users. right wing influencer steven crowder wrote tomorrow is war on his public twitter account. joining me now is ben collins. maybe i don't know what a cold civil war is. maybe it's like a gazpacho, but you've been pointing to a lot of sort of angry rhetoric. where is this coming from, this sort of civil war rhetoric? is it primarily from known influencers, from smaller accounts that are sort of being amplified?

where is that kind of violent talk coming from on social media? >> by the way, he said he would be more specific than cold civil war but he said online i'm awaiting sentencing for my trial having to do with january 6th so i can't be more specific which is insane but that's actually the truth, so it's all coming from years and years of talk about this from right wing media. people have been prepped that eventually they will have to use the guns. when can we use the guns, they say? when does the shooting start was one of the comments last night actually in that very same thread. they have been prepped that either the apocalypse is coming or, you know, more simply their way of life is going away and they are going to take your guns. i'm sure you've heard there,before, and at some point they are going to have to fight back. that's what they always say. they have been waiting for an infliction point and this to them if you watch infowars and steve bannon's war room, watch any that have stuff, this is just as good of an inflection

point as any that they can think of. >> ben, one of the things i always get concerned about when we see messages getting amplified online is how much of it is from sort of authentic verified people that we know are real, and how much of it is bots? now, obviously if you're on the donald, if you're on some of these sort of right wing sites, maybe you're a human being but when it comes to twitter and facebook, we don't know if these people are real. do you get the sense that there could be some bot amplification of anger right now that's going on because of the search of trump's mar-a-lago location, or do you think this really is sort of authentic and it's not astroturf. >> it's a combo of both of these things. it would be stupid to heave this on the table. if your point is to rile people up and get them in the streets and angry enough to cause civil unrest, of course you would probably to get in on this, but this happened so quickly that most of this would be authentic.

it would really quick to jump on this train of thought directly, but i will say this is a very authentic thing in the right. they have been pushing this idea that they are persecuted, especially if you watched cpac, you saw the guy pretending to cry in a jail cell, pretending to be a january 6th prisoner as january 6th people's testimony played in head phones. they believe that conservatives are being persecuted they had a panel saying we are domestic terrorists, the have that had if you're conservative you're being persecuted again. that is real thought and what they are going to run on in 2022. >> so a lot of what i've seen also from the right online is even sort of congressional republican websites have said, hey, if this can happen to donald trump, this can happen to you. if this -- if these kinds of raids can occur, what can happen to you? i'm sorry, i think of breonna taylor, that raid was much

worse. eight years ago today michael wroup were killed by a police officer. there are many more instances of police and federal agents acting aggressively than what we've seen here. is there any sort of pushback that you've seen from defenders of democracy, from democrats, from just activists and organizers to republicans trying to frame this as some overstep and we certainly have seen more dangerous overstep in other places. >> yeah. i think most people understand what this is. where there's proof there's probable cause and in this case way more than trouble cause because it's the former president of the united states, a up precedented step. can you go in there and take documents that he should not have. you even hear that a little bit on fox news. fies like jonathan turleyy will say that on fox news and get shouted down, but in terms of the echo chambers, they don't allow for that. you do get banned at places like the donald for saying basic stuff like that. you're not allowed to bring facts into these debates. are you hearing it in the public?

i think most people believe if the guy committed a crime you're allowed to get the document out of the guy's safe but in the places where they are revving up for violence you're not hearing that at all. >> right. ben collins, thanks so much for joining us on treat outtonight. >> thank you. still ahead, hearing a lot of talk about how last night's raid was unprecedented but it was anything but. one of my favorite people, nbc news historian michael beschloss, joins us next. histol beschloss, joins us next finding the perfect developer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her.

she's in prague, between the perfect cup of coffee and her museum of personal computers. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com technically when enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but there are ways you can repair it. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it's temperature balancing, so you both say cool. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. restful sleep per night. all smart beds are on sale. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. only for a limited time.

in two seconds, a vacationer will say... yeah, i'm going to live here. only to realize... what if i can't sell my place? ♪♪ don't worry. sell it directly to opendoor and we'll help you buy your next one. aah. when life's doors open, we'll handle the house.

while trump might be the first former twice-impeached president to have his home searched by the fbi, he's most certainly not the only public official to be searched by the fbi for potential criminality. 2006 for the first time in u.s. history the fbi raided the office of a member of congress, former representative william jefferson, a democrat from louisiana. the fbi suspected that he was using his official position to solicit bribes. agents raided his office and carted off documents and computer hard drives. that's not all they found. >> well, democratic congressman william jefferson of new orleans is under investigation for corruption and possible bribery charges. in brand-new court documents the fbi says it has videotape of jefferson accepting $100,000 bribe which was later stashed in his freezer. >> it's an ice box where his money used to be. jefferson was later convicted and ultimately sentenced to 13 years in prison.

the longest sentence ever handed down to a member of congress. just last january the home of democratic congressman henry cuellar was searched by the fbi no less than two months before a march primary which he eventually won. cuellar denied any wrongdoing, and last year federal investigators executed a search warrant at the home of rudy giuliani seizing cell phones and computers and probably some hair gel. joining me now is michael beschloss, nbc presidential historian. michael, thank you so much. as a political scientist i'm intimidated and impressed by historians so i always love the place to talk with you. >> i feel the same way about political scientists like you. >> i have to say we always talk about we're living in these sort of historic times. put this in context. given what we have seen happening with this presidency from the violence of january 6th to some of the commentary, some

of the unprecedented behavior that trump engaged in when he was actually in office, where do you think in 30 years this moment is going to be looked at? is it going to be an inflection point? is it like wow, when the fbi went to emlogia things are going to change. is this going to be a blip in the arc of history? where will this be viewed in 30 years? >> are you assume that people like you and me, jason, will be allowed to speak in public and speak in 30 years? is that the hypothetical here? >> i'm being slightly optimistic, way more optimistic than i usually am. >> i am, too. with that having been said, i think this will be an inflection point what we saw in the last 24 hours because, you know, first of all, we've got to find out what this is all about. the fbi has yet to give a press conference. from what i get from people who are expert in this area.

this is what they say. search of a former president's house is obviously not the way you start an inquiry. that's never happened before in american history. it happened for obviously a pretty important reason because if merrick garland who had to approve this did so and take over the house this fall and there's that possibility as you have said many times. therefore, this is something they would do at the last resort rather than the first resort. and so why would they have done this? they probably did this because national archives started a process of communicating with trump's lawyers saying, we are not questioning motives here but you took 15 boxes of largely classified documents to mar-a-lago. that is against the law. federal records act, presidential records act therefore please give them back. we know that that top has been

going on for months. the only reason you have a search like this, and let's be polite and call it a search and not a raid was if trump was not turning up what he had or the archives of the federal government felt he was not being cooperative. so we will know a lot more soon but whatever we learn and probably not be great news. >> so, when it comes to looking at the last 25 or 30 years, we've had major congressional hearings right? we have had hearings about oliver north, we had hearings about benghazi, we've had hearings on everything. we've had hearings on the affordable care act. the republicans have threatened that if they take over those they will gum up the last two years of president biden's first term in office with nothing but hearings about this investigation. do you think that the republicans take over the house and they do that, without might have a tendency to backfire? the january six hearings have

done well because the public played into something the public saw knew was wrong. i don't know if an investigation into merrick garland will get the benefits to republicans that they think is gonna give them. >> i completely agree with you and even further more think about what kevin mccarthy's said in the last 24 hours. this is someone who wants to be speaker, he expects to be speaker. even if the republicans when, he may not be speaker because trump may be just as disloyal to him as he's been to everyone else. give it to kenton jordan or something like this. but it's kevin mccarthy as the leader of the republicans in the house to make that ugly threat against a sitting attorney general merrick garland, saying i hope you have your calendar clear. essentially as donald trump might have put it, you are going to go through some things. that's something we have never seen before in american history. this is how bad this is getting. >> 48 years ago yesterday we had the announcement that

richard nixon is going to resign. let's place yesterday's search, not a raid, we'll call it a search, let's put yesterday search in this context. in 50 years, we're not just jumping 30, in 50 year's would be looking back at this moment the same we looked at nixon's rising nation. nixon's resignation is something everybody learned out in school. it was not just seen as a change politically but a change in the country. the country had never seen a president say he just stop step bound from office because he couldn't handle it i'm not a crook. do you think this will be viewed the same way or is this gonna be more trumps? >> i think this is gonna show how much this country has changed for the worst. 40 years ago as you know and studying and remembering, nixon put out tapes that he had obstructed justice. he told the fbi not to identify the watergate gray can. almost every republican member

of the house and senate concluded that that is obstruction of justice, that is impeachable, goodbye. nowadays instead of that you've got a situation where republican leaders in both houses no matter what donald trump does is hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. and the result is we don't have that limit on a presidents misbehavior. and as a result, donald trump when he predicted five or six years ago could sit shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and get away with it that is now true of a president of the united states >> michael bass lost thank you so much tonight for joining us and informing us all in the read. it will be right. back ill be right back h delivery and an 8:15 call with san francisco. and you can find him, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com

it's 5:00 a.m., and i feel like i can do anything. we've got apples and cabbage. 7,000 dahlias, vegetables, and brisket for dinner. this is my happy place. we've been coming here, since 1868. my grandmother used to say, don't call me, don't bother me. i'm going out to mow. there's a lot of cushy desk jobs out there, but i make the earth take the shape that i want it to take. there are millions of ways to make the most of your land. learn how to make the most of yours at deere.com only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. if anyone objects to this marriage... (emu squawks) kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

kids, one year they want all dinosaurs stuff the next, camels. - llamas. - llamas. so save money shopping back to school on amazon. you sure that's not a camel? yeah. whatever you say. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? what if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks? now they can. downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load. and enjoy fresher smelling laundry. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. shop for downy unstopables online, including our lighter scent.

millions have made the switch from the big three to xfinity mobile. that means millions are saving hundreds a year on their wireless bill. and all of those millions are on the nation's most reliable 5g network, with the carrier rated #1 in customer satisfaction.

that's a whole lot of happy campers out there. and it's never too late to join them. get unlimited data with 5g included for just $30 a line per month when you get 4 lines. don't forget, american's we switch to xfinity mobile today.

still have a democracy -- to the democratic process. and devotion to donald trump in his maga insurrectionists. in wisconsin, trump wants to topple robbyn vause, who denied trump's illegal request to decertify wisconsin's 2020 election results. you also have a trump backed candidate for governor, running against a -- in minnesota, kim crockett is running for secretary of state. she is the one who recently questioned whether disabled people and non-english speaking

citizens should be allowed to vote. primaries are also being held in connecticut and vermont, stay with msnbc throughout the night as results come in. that's tonight's read out, all in with chris hayes starts right now. hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. >> knock knock, who is there? the effing fbi, that's who. >> new details on donald trump's visit from the fbi. >> they also said they are looking for classified documents, and evidence of a crime as far as documents go. >> tonight, we learned about what the fbi was looking for, the investigators inform the search, and late reporting that a member of congress had his phone seized by the fbi. then, eric swalwell on whether justice is closing in on donald trump. plus, unpacking the republican sponsors one day later. >> i'm angry, i feel violated. >> president trump is right,