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this morning. welcome back to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 9:00 a.m. in theeast, 6:00 a.m. out west. elise jordan and jonathan lemire still with us. we have a lot to get to this hour, including more on that critical inflation report just released that shows consumer prices rose less than expected last month. >> yay, inflation only at 8.5%. wait a second that's sti a lot. it is lower tha expected. fuel prices droppg as quickly as they have probably helped. >> also we have the latest development on the justice department's investigation of donald trump, this as the 45th president will be questioned under oath today in the new york attorney general's civil investigation into his real estate dealings. >> release the warrant, mr.

president. if you care about transparency, release the warrant. you have it. let us see it. stop playing your followers as dupes. you know, doj needs to be as transparent as they can be while being fair to this possible criminal. we don't know yet, because in america we believe that no man is above the law, but we also believe you're iocent until proven guilty. but in thiscase, the department of justi needs to be fair to the former president, and they don't need to go out and talk all about this information. that's not what they do. it's likely sealed. so why doesn't donald trump just release the warrant and then we n see everything that's out

there? >> the problem with th, joe, is the ambiguity of where he rides. >> he feeds off the ambiguity. he feeds off the lies he can create from the ambiguities. he doesn't want his followers to see what's in that warrant. and republicans embrace another trump-backed candidate for governor, choosing a nominee that has entertained overturning the 20 election results. >> good luck with that. >> steve kornacki will jn us to break down the primary results and what it means for the november midterms. >> i just don't understand why republicans are choosg their weakest caidates. the bureau of labor statistics has just release the consumer price index. last month consumer prices rose 8.5%, but that i less than

expected and a major sign that inflation is easing just a little bit. >> let'sring in cnbc's senior market correspondent. we're not going to be singing "happy days are here again," but it could be worse. we have gas prices going down. that obviously pulls that down a little bit. it's less than was expected. how can you say 8.5% inflation is good news? >> you can't, joe. you can't do it. that's the plain and simple truth. generally speaking if you talk about the headline numbers, 8. is the headline consumer pce number. that does imply this is a year over year number that you're seeing that prices are 8.5% higher than a year ago. if you strip out energy costs and food costs, which tend to be more volatile, many parts of the country are seeing energy prices fallnd even certain food

pric fall. if you take that out, that so-called core consumer price index, excluding food and energy, it's still up 5.9%. there's an old saying. the journey of a thousand miles gins with a single step. that's the rson economists are looking at this pticular piece of inflation. nobody has the guts yet to call a peak i inflation, because things have gotten so pervasively bad. could thise the sign that things are starting to slow down and that we could be trending lower? yet to be seen, but when you have inflation going nowhere on a month ove month basis, flat zero percent between june to july, could that be the beginning of what we're seeing here? a lot of that headline decline in terms of overall movement in inflation has to do with fl prices.

gas priced are down, so are costs for food oil. fuel is still up. the most importa things economists are keyin on is shelter costs, including rent and housing. that is sll up in july, up abou .5%. yes, the food and energy side of things i a little more optimistic we've seen real world evidence. i fill up multiple times a week at the pump and i am paying less for fuel. the issue is whether or t the fed can take its foot off the brakes a little bi here with the economy. i will say this, joe,mika, in the moments after this number came out, financial markets started to price in less of a likelihood of more aggressive fed interest rate hikes because it may show signs of at least peaking for now.

it remains to be seen whether this is a trend. by the way, il point out some of the stocks rallying the most in the premarket trade ahead of the opening bell are consumer oriented companies, retailers. because if inflation is less than expected, maybe people can spend more on things like travel and leisure, shopping. >> thank you so much. jonathan lemire, how is the white house responding? >> nothing public yet, joe. we can imagine they will focus on the good news and less on some of the more worrisome markings here. obviously fuel prices has been chief of mind for this white house for months. in fact, ron klain starts every day, i am told, by checking the price of an average gallon of gas in the country. that continues its downward slide. certainly there is some hope

that inflation here maybe has peaked, but no one's going to say that yet. even if it has stabilized, the number is still entirely too high. the white house believes it will be this summer and fall when things start to get better, but they recognize for the average american right now the cost of so many things in their lives is entirely too high. as much as democrats have been on a real winning streak, this president in particular, they are concerned prices will still be the top issue for many voters when they go to the polls this november. >> democrats on a big winning streak. red sox on a big losing streak. the one thing that doesn't cost too much, though, is the big lie. it's a great book. how crazy it just happe to be sitting right next toyou. congralations. >> i think you cld get one on

amazon. w to o otherop story, several fast-ming developnts llowing the f searc of form president trump's florida estate. trump andisllies e ramping up aacks on the reau. by the way, didn't he appoint chriopher wray? >> dond trum appointed christopher wray and had the kindest thing to say about him. >> put him there. >> they're all trumrs. again, you look at all the people testifying agast him o january 6th, umpers. the people talking about what he did on that day and what he did leading up to the day, they're al trumpe. u look a the fbichief, the guy who runs the fbi, atrumper. >> put him there! >> yeah now former presidt trum is

saying whout avidence to back this uphat this vestigation by the guy he put in there is politically motivated. >> whatever. >> now, nbc news chief white house correspondent kristin welker has the latest. >> reporter: overnight i a show of force a group of house republicans having dinner and posing with former president trump at his home in new jersey, one of the congrsmen who attended speaking out. >> i've never seen president trump as fir up as what he was tonight. >> reporter: itomes am dramatic new details about the fbi's move to execute a searc warrant at mar-a-lago. a lawyer for mr. tru say his legal team had been discuing cords stored at mar-a-lo sie thi spng. the news was first reported by the "washington post," which also said fedal authorities were increasingly concerned mr. trump or his aides had not

returned all documents that were government property. on monday, the fbi removed about a dozen boxes from a basement storag unit >>hey weooking for assifi documes, edence a cme afar as classified documents. >> reporter: it comes as the former president and his allies are escalating attacks on the fbi, claiming without evidence that the investigation is politically motivated. >> we're a nation that has weaponized lawnforcent against the oosing political party. >> reporter: former vice president mike nce, who has broken with mr. trump puicly, is urging aorney general merrick garland to give a full accounting of the search. the justice department is not commenting. the search warrant remains under seal, meaning details about what agents sought to remove from the residence are still secret. but experts say investigators had to meet a high bar to carry out the unprecedented sear.

the fbi can'tet a search warrant unless it establishes probable cause to believe that a climb has been committed, a federal crime. >> reporter: such a sensitive move so close to the midterm elections would almost certainly have to go through the highest levels of the justice department, including the usually cautious attorney general merrick garland. trump allies now saying it may have made the former president more fired up to runagain. >> i believe he was going to run before. i'm stronger in my belief now. >> well, tt's great, lindsey, because he's going to lose again just like he did before. he will le again. not only will he lose, republicans will lose as ll. they'll lose the house again. they'll lose the senate agai they'll lose the white house again if he runs in 2024. bring it on. if that's what he wants to do, i guess republicans just don't like winning anymore.

that's fine. it is interesting, though. you wonder h stupid republicans think their follers are. i think they think they're pretty stupid. i think they really are the jim and tammy faye bakers of american politics. these attacks against the fbi- >> 24 hours after a peaceful search they gave them a heads-up on. >> peaceful search. that guy from florida that runs the senate campaigns for the republicans who wants working class and middle class americans to pay more taxes and wants to cut sial security and medicare, tha guy talking about the gestapo when all we're

talking about is the rule of law. it would make george orwell's he spin. i think back t sarah hucbee sandersayingn2016,hen you're attacking f agents because you're under arimina investigation, you are losing. when you'rettacking the fbi agen because you're under a criminal investigation, sarah ckabee sanrs said youre losi. all these people tt are prescribing to the obi wan kenobi theory of politics, just strike me down, dart and i become even stronger, they're wrong. this isn't "star wars"nd donald trump isn't a jedi. he's the first president since herbert hoover in one term to

lose the white house, the house and the senate. he's also a guy, if you just look at the facts before us, that's got probably a really strong case against him for committing sedition against the united states of america. it's a really good case. that's just the beginning of it. if lindsey wants him to run again, that's great. lindsey must love being in e minority. i gue other republicans love being in the minority. they're encouraging him to run? you know who else wouldove for him to start running right now? every democratic elected official in america a every democratic candidate in america. make this a race about donald trump, please, democrats say, because republicans will lose

once again. >> joining us now nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken delanian. also with us democratic strategist and former senior advisor for the house oversight committee kurt bardella. officials have remained pretty silent on this investigation. is there a chance that changes? are you surprised so far on the silence? >> there's probably a greater chance it's going to snow this week in washington, d.c., mika. no, i'm not surprised at all. let me first explain about the warrant you guys were talking about. there's actually three parts to this warrant. the part that has the most information is the affidavit that the fbi filed with the judge to justify the search, explain all the potential criminality. that is sealed. that means donald trump and his lawyers do not have that. they have a one-page document that's essentially a warrant signed by a judge.

it doesn't really tell us much. they also have the inventory of everything that was seized. i agree they should release those documents. even if they do, it won't explain why this search happened. that is probably the first reason that the justice department is not in a position to talk about this right now. this is a secret investigation and there are a lot of implications here when we're talking about highly classified information and things donald trump may have taken from the white house and why he did that that maybe the justice department does not want donald trump and the people around him to know exactly where they are in the investigation. merrick garland, chris wray and the people around them are adamant they're going to follow the ironclad justice department policy, which is you don't comment on pending investigations no matter what, in part out of fairness to the people being investigated, in part because it's just a bad idea. the best example is what jim

comey did back in 2016, which at the time i remember thinking it's a reasonable thing he's doing. you have the investigation into the hillary clinton private e-mail server. they weren't going to charge her, so comey is going to get out and explain in public everything that went into it. that turned out to be a disaster. some people think it influenced the course of the election. merrick garland and chris wray are absolutely not going to go there. >> is there political risk here for democrats that they could overplay the raid in that if it's over classified documents and there's limited information the public gets to know, does this give trump an opportunity to paint himself as the martyr victim that he oh so loves to be in politics? and could it be something he turns to his advantage?

>> well, i think we've seen the tactics in the first couple days of this, that trump is goingo cast himself as thevictim. that what he always does. i' never seen someone who on on hand insists he's the toughest guy, while at the same time he'slways the victim. how is that even possible? republicans are going all i y again on a guy who's under federal investigation, who's under mtiple investigations, testifying before a grand jury toda on a separate issue and they don't know what law enforcement has. th one thing we've learned when it comes to donald trump over the years is there's always more. there's always a shoe to drop. are you really comfortab putting all your political eggs in donald trump's basket? it's going to be a something a year or two years from now another bk comes out and we hear privately republicans were cheering on this investigation, hoping this would be the thing

that would bring donald trump down, yet publicl they're lining up behind him. they've been given every opportunity to divor themselves from donald trump. we read in every book that that's what they want, yet they keep repeating the same mistakes ov and over again. it ends up wrecking them. any time a election is about donald trump, they lose, they go down they are doubling down on a strategy that has failed them time and again. >> you look at every election since he was elected. you look off your elections i 2017, county elections in the philly suburbs going back to 2017 midterms 2018, southern governors races in 2019,f course all the races in 2020, donald trump helps republicans se time and time again.

they can't help themselves. kurt, you worked with the oversight committee for during i days. should voters take kevin mccarthy' threat that he's going to investigate the investigators if republicans get in charge and he's going sic jim jordan on the fbi if republicans take control of the majority? if so, what does that look like? >> it's interesting, because number one, just for context, this is the sameevinccarth who right now is currently fying january 6th congressional committ request to talk to him, to get documents from him. this is the same jim jordan and same republican party that said it's okay for the executive branch to completely blow off congressional oversight with anything related to donald trump. it's rich to hear these republicans now saying they want to use said congressional

authity th they themselves have turned their back on. that being said, republicans have notade it a secret that if they wereo rein control of t mority in november, at the plan on launching an investigativ tsunami, going afte hunter biden, going after th deptment heland secuty. now they'redding the jusce department and the fbi to that they have shown in theast they are willing to take something li a benghazi, extend it for four years,ive congressial committees wer doing so even before ty started the select committee, cminati with hillary clinton testifying for more than 11 hours. they will not hesitate to bring in the fbi director chris wray, someone donald trump called impeccablyredentials when he nominated them. they will try to taint any type of activity that's happening because that's how far in the bag they are for donald trump, that they are willing to use

congressional power as a coverup forheir crim. hank you both vermu. we reaypprecie it. >> up next, could trump's grip on power have an end to it? steve kornacki joins us to break down results after another primary night. from prom dresses to workouts and new adventur you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination.

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president. i don't have to run for governor. he wanted to drain the swamp. we fou out it's a really big swamp. >> trump backed tim michaels last night after winning wisconsin's republican primary for governor. michaels has eracedormer present trump's debunked claim that the 2020 election was stolen. for mo, letring inbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board. steve, he's not the only trump-backed candidate that prevailed last night. >> that's right. trump got some good political news last night. this is the republican primary in wisconsin. the incumbent democrat will now face off against tim michaels. it was interesting how michaels and the former lieutenant

governor how they both talked about the 2020 election, because this could be a live issue in wisconsin going forward if a republican were to win the governor's race in november, republicans potentially through the legislature would have the means to change some election procedures, that sort of thing. kleefisch at one point called the 2020 election rigged, but she said there was nothing that could be done with it. michaels has simply said that all options would be on the table for him, but he hasn't leaned so hard into that kind of rhetoric. trump said that michaels is the one, in his view who could beat tony evers. he claims republicans would then seek to change the rules to allow t legislature in wisconsin to pick the slate of

electors in 2024. >> so big night for donald trump. mika and i, of course because of our connecticut es, we're looking at the connecticut race. a real shocker in the connectit republican primary as well. it shows against yet another republan candidate that the republican establishnts absolutely loved and had for a very long time -- this wasn't evenlose, but trump had some problems early on in this primary season, but man, we've gotten to a stage now where donald tmp endorses you in a republican primary, you're most likely going to win. talk about that. >> we're not expecting this to be a particularly competitive general election race in connecticut in november, but levy comes in here. at the last minute donald trump

weighs in with an endorsement in this race and all of a sudden levy wins with a 16-point margin in the republican primary. i'm not expecting this to be an election we're talking about in november. it's hard to say she wins without that trump endorsement. we showed you wisconsin a minute ago. the other piece of news donald trump picked up last night, this is in washington state. remember, it takes them about 16 1/2 years to count up the results in congressional races in washington state. we did finally get top two primary jamie butler, incumbent republican congresswoman, she's one of the ten who voted to impeach donald trump, she conceded last night to joe kent, a trump-backed republican who backs up trump's claims about the 2020 election.

we haven't technically called the race yet at nbc, but she's conceded it and basically set the stage for the trump-backed candidate versus the democrat in the general election. here are the ten republicans who voted to impeach donald trump after january 6th in 2021. here is their state in 2022. you see a lot of them simply chose not to run. you've got herrera butler going to lose the primary, tom rice got clobbered in his primary in south carolina. david valadao got through his primary in california. donald trump did not make an endorsement in that race. the next one is next tuesday in

wyoming, liz cheney, you've seen the polling, you know the expectations there. so there were ten in january 2021 republicans who said they believed donald trump's conduct was impeachable and they backed it up with their votes. lookin at this, there's a chance valadao could win. i think it's possible you get the next congress and only one of them is left. >> we've been talking for some time on this show and i know a lot of other people are looking at some of these candidates and view them to be every bit as extreme as i do. it seems that the republicans are putting up the candidates least likely to win a general election race against democrats. but then i think back to 1994, i could find you news articles in "roll call" and "the hill" where everybody said i was too

conservative to win a general election. gingrich came down and supported my opponent, because i was too conservative to win a general election. the 74 other republicans that won their districts, too conservative to win general elections and then later on election night we found out lightning struck and that happened. it just is a reminder that as we in the media keep saying these people are too extreme to win general elections, that that's been said before and we wake up the next mning and found out that they actually did win, tt mocrat certaly suld n takeny o these races for anted. >> a reay intestingoint, joe,ecauseou cou read ts as replicansre putng themsees aterious ris her blowi a golde midte portuny tha theshouldt ow, or maybe just tt histical piticalravity tas er.

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>> we've got to go, but really quickly, one more data point along these lines. i'm saying we've got to go because dan keeps saying, joe, we've got to go. there is one more important data point. we've had two special elections over the past month or so in territory that donald trump won comfortably. and yet the republicans underperforming the 2020 numbers, which again, it just may be anecdotal but i look at election results leading into big elections and here are two c examples of republicans doing worse than you would expect. >> it was in the first district of minnesota last night. the bottom line is this is a special election. the republicans are going to win this thing by somewhere around five points. donald trump in 2020 won the district by ten. in 2016 he won it by 15.

that's certainly off the trump margin. the republican spin on this is that trump himself overperforms in this territory, but this territory had been more democratic recently. the republican congressman who passed away to trigger this special election had won by just three points in 2020. so it's better than the former republic congressman did, but it is not in that territory that trump was winning this district by. >> steve kornacki, thank you very much for being in this morning. up next, speaking of the midter, new signs that the issue of abortn will have an outsized impact on the november elections. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪♪

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voters. among t changes, abortion now one of the top five issues for latinos for the first time ever. nbcews correspondent morgan ratford joi us with an exclusive early look at the latest numbers. >> good morning. this latest poll was commsioned by two latino advocacy groups. among more than 2,700 eligible latino voters, the top issues are,one, inflation, two, crime and, three, gun violence. one striking addition to this list is the issue of abortion. of course, this is following the supreme court decision to overturn roe v wade. 19% of latino voters now say abortion is among their top issues, up from just 3% in polling from two years ago. another big take-away from this polling is that 60% of latino voters now say the country is on the wrong track. that number is even higher in

some key swing states like flora, lik nevada. we ske to linooters to hear what they thought about these issue in particular. >> i'm defitely going to vote. biggest issue for me, i mean, i think it's insane that abortion is illegal now. >> housing is a big thing for me. i think it's absurd how expensive things are getting. i'm a teacher in boston. i can't even live in boston to teach. >> rent is also really high. mine goes up in two months. i'm really scared to figure out what that's going to be like. >> housing, rent, inflation, the economy. the poll shows just 59% of latino voters say they're completely certain they will, in fact, turn out to vote in the midterms, which is down slightly from previous years. it's a sign that both political parties still have a lot to do when it comes to engaging latinos on these particular issues, mika. >> going back to the issue of abortion, did the polling take a look at who is saying that and

how big this community might be responding to this supreme court decision? >> that's a great question. it's actually pretty fascinating. one of the questions they asked in this poll had this exact wording. quote, no matter what my personal beliefs about abortion, i think it is wrong to make abortion illegal and take that choice away from everyone else. 76% of latino voters agreed with that statement that it's wrong to make abortion illegal, no matter their personal beliefs. you'll find that 55% of republican latino voters agree with that. 76% of catholic latino voters agreed with that. if you're a candidate hoping to connect with latino voters on this ise, it's a reminder that this community is anything but simple even when it comes to a big controversial issue like abortion. >> that is a great point, morgan. i ha assumed, a lot of people have assumed that hispanic

voters are more conservative on issues, whether you're talking about abortion or other wedge issues, social issues. and perhaps they are, but this reflects what we've seen overall in abortion polling, tt even people who consider themselves toe pro-life are really shaken by this supreme court decision. when you go all the way down,s you did here, into the subset of catholic hispanic voters and you still have thr o of four catholic hispanic voters, that's really eye opening. >> right? that's independent of location. mexican voters in texas versus cuban voters in miami, but to your point when you look at that issue and how significantly it has changed and the fact that it cuts through en some of those stnghold communities you would

expect to vote a certain way, it shows you it's really up for grabs ce november. >> morgan radford, thank you very much. up next, the fbi search of mar-a-lago can't overshadow some big wins for president biden. we'll go live to the white house where the president is about to sign more legislation into law. we'll be right back. ♪♪

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finland's application to join nato. moments from now heill sign into law the pact act, a bill to care for veterans exposed to toxins considered to be the biggest expansion of veterans health care in u.s. histy. >> is that the verans health care bill that republicans opposed? >> correct. they did not want vets to get the care related to burn pits when they wereerving in iraq and afghanistan for the united states of america. >> they fought it. they were against it before they were forit. >> i don't know what to say. that's a long list of things they're against. >> lik they whipped. >> the chips and science act? yeah. >> against china and for some reason the republican whip opation fought to kill, they

wanted to kill the china competitive act. >> the president signed the chips and science act providing billion of dollars in incentives to the domestic semiconductor industry and will boost. competitiveness. >> inflation reduction act. so many things in there. we cou go down the long list but tj took it off thescreen. >> and there's not enough time. >> killed al qaeda's leader who allies have been trying to get to for 20 years. gas prices dropping. huge job numbers. massive. you can read the screen, too. how's the white house plan to leverage this moving forward? >> yeah. biden's on a roll. they'reakg pubc displays of wins. we saw the bill signing

yesterday on the chips act. he'll do it today on the pact act. his son bo died of cancer. though no linko burn pits he id he believed that played a role in e cancer so i imagine toy might be an emotional one at the white house. the presint heads on vacation to south carolina today but aides plannin for a ceremony to sign the reconciliation bill and then another victory lap and once labor day gets here they expect him to be on the road. it did not always work out but with democrats polling much better they believe the ratings

should go up soon and will be a valuable asset on the campaign trail as republins seem to be shooting themsves in the foot. >> it te for a guest essay for "the new york times"en titled"the lawless gop response to the raid at mar-a-go senior fellow at the brennan center writesn part none of the investigations seem to give pause to the republican leadership or its committed base. to the contrary, brazen lawbreaking is now a politic asset for the gop candidates and operatives. several people involved in the january 6 are running for office and winning primaries with trump's blessinglaunti in the v putsch. here we go where it's cool i

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good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern. 7:00 a.m. pacific. president biden is set to sign a bill aimed at improving health care access for veterans exposed to toxic chemicals during war. we'll bring you the remarks. we begin with developments in the fbi's sinlg of former president trump's mar-a-lago home. right now the