thank you r the privilege of your time. there is more news right now. good morning, i'm lindsey riser at msnbc headquarters in new york. as we come on the air, we're following new developments in multiple investigations, involving former president donald trump. trump spent his morning at a new york city office being deposed under oath by lawyers from the new york attorney general's team. in a new statement out in the last 45 minutes, he says he is pleading the fifth. this deposition is tied to the civil investigation into the business practices of the trump organization. at the core of the a.g.'s case, whether donald trump and the trump organization misstated financial documents to meet their interests. before heading into the deposition, trump used his social media platform truth social to slam the new york a.g. as quote racist and he turned to

familiar face calling the investigation a witch hunt and kept up the attacks on the fbi and serve of mar-a-lago. we're gting new details and a clearer picture of the timeline around what happened there. sources tell nbc news the fbi agents arrived at mar-a-lago on monday at 9:00 in the morning. the secret service was given a heads up 45 minutes to an hour before the search and agents left around 6:30 p.m. the former president's legal team said they were in discussion with the doj as early as june about records stored there. one trump attorney said the fbi removed a dozen boxes from a basement storage area and say a search warrant indicated the fbi was investigating possible violations of laws related to the handling of classified material. politically, we're seeing the republican party coalesce around the former president. a source close to trump called it a complete circling of the wagons. we'll start with the mounting legal troubles for the former

president. ken is back and vaughn is in west palm beach, florida and with me is josh and lisa ruben a legal analyst and former lit gator. ken, we'll start with you. the former president says he pleaded the fifth this morning in that deposition and earier we know he blasted the a.g.'s office. what more do we know about his deposition at this point? >> well, we're not hearing anything from the a.g. side. we know what donald trump is telling us, he refused to answer questions on the grounds of asserting his fifth amendment ght agnst self-incriminaon. this is a man that said in the statement he says if you're nocent, why are you taking the fifth? he said mob bosses take the fifth. he answered his own question now i know the answer to that question, he sai if there was any question in my mind the raid of my home mar-a-lago on monday by the fbi wiped out any uncertainty, he says he's the target of witch hunt and bias

osecutors and it's an interesting context here, lindsey. hi son eric trump was questioned in thi civil fraud case by the nework attorney general back in 2020 and he asserted the fifth amendment 500 times. more recently, ivanka trump and donald trump junior testified in the case and we're told they did answer questions but today, the former president decided that there was just too much jeopardy for him to have to answer questions in case that looks at potential fraud in his business practices and the question of whether he or people who work for him misrepresented the valuations of real state properties for example to banks and insurce companies for their advantage. there is also a parallel criminal investigation in manhattan into some of the same fact patterns and made it perilous for president trump. in a civil case, if this ever goes to a jury, a jury can draw an adverse inference from a defendant who refuses to answer estions and takes the fifth unlike in theriminal context. and so this is not good for him

in the civil case but he clearly felt there was too muchisk for him tonswer questions under oath today. lindsey? >> lisa, what kind of questions do you think trump is being asked i this deposition and ken laid a lot of it out for us. i want your take how the fifth amendment applies here. >> ken is exactly right. there is no impact of taking the fifth amendment in terms of civil liability other than the jury can draw an adverse inference of anyone that takes the fifth amendment and the criminal investigation by the new york district attorney is still open. now, we know that two prosecutors in that office resigned earlier this year because they felt that the district attorney did not have the political will to pursue the investigation further against donald trump. but it's never been closed out and the risks to the president remain open. the attorney general's office has the ability to share the former president's testimony

with that office or with others in making a criminal referral. the risk to him was substantial from today's testimony and lindsey, to answer your other questions, in terms of what questions the former president asked, it's about his knowledge and whether or not he signed certain documents and aware of certain representations he made. in a filing earlier this year, the attorney general detailed a number of situations in which the trump organization valued properties within their control over valued those properties to get a tax advantage or advantage with bankers or insurers and in many cases, the necessary underlying documents were signed by none other than donald j. trump. >> i want to turn to other legal heat the president is facing in mar-a-lago. a source close to trump familiar with the search said there are no plans to release a copy of the warrant that warrant of course would contain key details in terms of what agents were looking for, in terms of what crimes potentially were being looked at right now.

what more are you learning about the search and how trump world is proceeding? >> right, lindsey. that source told me they feel like the burden is on the department of justice to be transparent what led to the search warrant and what probable cause of a crime they had when they went to a judge to seek that search warrant ahead of its execution here. you know, folks who are familiar with trump's thinking around the leadup to ultimely t search warrant beingexecut, tell us that ty feel like theyere coopatingith th deparent of stice. ere i a june 3rd meeti paicular in wch donal trp hself wasere atis residence and met with officials algsidef hisawyers and persally swedhem at least e roo whe tseateria re being held the srceells us tha donald trump authorizedaving a second padlock put onto the room where these particular materials were placed.

at the same time, you have seen here the warrant is in the hands of, you know, the trump team here and they're choosing not to reveal what was being looked for here at the premises and in large part, you have seen donald trump instead rally around the defenses within the republican party around him and you even sawhis mornin the statent donaltrump rew ou th ide the fb mave plante maral year here. there is no such evidence or no specific allegation made by the former president, one of his lawyers initially made the suggestion here yesterday but this is a former president who is making the case to his political base that this is a political witch hunt releasing in a statement just an hour ago after pleading the fifth in tha new york a.g.'s case, and using the mar-a-lago search warrant execution as reaning that he felt like that he was under attack and there was no basis

for it. we expect to know more what the department of justice was looking for if they indict the former president. as your reporting indicates, this is an ongoing sa of trump's handling. we got 15 boxes initially retrieved in juary, now 12 or more by the fbi on monday. what sticks out to you about what trump's lawyers said and what they're not saying at this point? >> well, what sticks out to me is that the 12 boxes were in a basement that they took from mar-a-lago and took them out and 15 more and our reporting indicates one of his investigations centers around the idea o what did they hide and conceal, what did they not give over when they had a chance and work from advisors and lawyers honest with them. folks at the national archives and folks investigating believe they were being told the truth and they believe there was

dishonesty here. i think what you're going to see is a lot of focus on when were these documents requested? didtrump's fks tl the tru abt th? d the not tell the truth about them? what else w there? we're tryg to figureut a lot of these things were not tha sensitive. there wer cocktainapkin nner gsts memuthere werebout thr pages of inven t - inventoryhat were c classified. e of the things i tnk tha lks are noticing also is that theentire rublicaarty rallie behind former psident trp and ctics in e par this tter a his aisors want him to ride this to a 2024 bid. some of them do. i am watching closely to see who went out in that battle over winning announcemen of the president. >> lisa, senate minority leader

mitch mcconnell released statement about the search saying attorney general garland and the rest of the department of justice should have already provided answers to the american people and must do so immediately. we just heard vaughn say trump world believes the ownous is on the doj to explain but do they need to? is it likely they will? >> not only do they not need to but policy precludes them. the doj has a manuel called the justice manuel for prosecutors and one of the things it provides is in an ongoing criminal investigation, it's improper for the department of justice to comment on the status of the investigation or any of the who, what, why, when and where unless two exceptions come into play. one is where it's necessary for public safety like the boston marathon and the other exception is where the public needs to be reassured whe the departme ofustices taking tion.

wenow they are taking action. the iaid asrump conrmed oves t deparent o jtice is lking iohe remov of marialsrom the wte hou and tir tnsfer to mar-lago. respecully, iave toisagre wi minory lder mcconll and e res of th replicans pling ts gam of i knoou ar but wt a it's like peewee's play house. >> also to the point that vaughn made abouthe accusations of the suggestions of planting evidence, usinghe word planted on his social med platform this mning as claiming on fox news about planting. in fact, let's go listen to that clip. >> this is joke. this momento and maybe they planted something. who knows? i don't trust the government. >> how dangerous is this accusation? >> incredibly dangerous. this is not an unauthorized raid this is a search conducted

pursuant to an authorized warrant by a federal judge, by the fbi under the supervion of a director trump himself appointed. if the trump campaign and his advisors will go arod and make accusations about the planting of evidence, that's incredibly dangerous for the future of law enrcement at large in this country and irresponsible, a well. there is no suggestion any eviden was planted on the contrary to get the warrant, they had to establish to the judge with the detailed affidavit what likely was going to be found there and of course, trump dsn't have that affidavit but the department of justice does and based on experiences we've had in the past, for example the michael cohen case or joh eastman's recent experience, the department of justice details with specificity what they're looking for and why including what criminal statutes they believe they have probable cause to understand were violated. trump knows at least which statutes the department of

justice is looking into, it's on the very facef this one-page search warrant and the fact he's saying the ownous is on the department of justice to explain why it didt plant evidence is backwards and upside down. >> thank you-all so much for arting us off. lisa ruben, we'll talk to you again later thisour. the cost of everything from groceries to rent is still sky high but could we be getting closer to a turning poi? we're learning from an inflation rert this morning? president biden signed a bill that became an unexpected politicalight helping veterans that got sick from toxic burn ts. what exactly it does and why it took so long to get here. wel go inside the biden's administration plan to stretch e monkpox vcine supply. javier becera will join us live ahead. aa will join us liv ahead. mission control, we are go for launch.

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we're seeing a stronger labor market where jobs are booming and americans are working and seeing some signs that inflation may be getting moderate. that's what happens when you build an economy from the bottom up and middle out. >> a falling gas price is helping to finally level out the historically high prices that have been hitting americans so hard for many months. a key measure of inflation out this morning shows prices in july rose less than expected. and while that's a good sign for consumers, prices are still up 8.5% from last july. let's bring in our team nbc tom costello and cal perry at a mall in glendale, california. what else in this report is jumping off the page to you? >> let's go to the graphic. you're right, the headline number is 8.5% year over year

and inflation is still hot but not as steamy because look at the monthly change. it's flat. in other words, we are starting to see according to economists the possibility that maybe inflation peaked this summer. maybe in fact prices are starting to moderate and so to that end, look at the monthly numbers now and this is going to be very important. gasoline prices are down already 7.7%. energy overall, energy down 4.8%. got a wrong number -- should be red, not green, but anyway, food is also up slightly month over month, 1.1% and shelters is up slightly 1.3%. again, those are month over month numbers. they do not give you the year over year numbers where we have inflation running at 8.5%. as you know, if you go to the gas station these days, you're paying about $4.01 a gallon natially down more than a dollar from the highs in june. those are potentially good

signs, indicators the economy is starting to see inftion slow ever so slightly. now, the president made the point that we have got an awfully hot labor market, right? in july they added 500,000 jobs. that's a big number. the unemployment number a 3.5% is a 50-year low. it's atrange economy in which you have a really fully employed population as it would appear and yet, inflation still seems to b of concern but starting to moderate, startingo come down and so, what does that mean? it means the federal reserve like to raise rates again in september to try to get inflation because it's starting to moderate as much as ty did last year. next month but these two reports,uly and auguswill be critical as the fed decides how mucho raise rates again, lindsey. >> qui followup to that, i thoughtecause of the positive

labor market moves we might actually see the fed go me aggressive a full point of an increase in september. >> you know, right now, wall street is betting that if anything, we might see instead of three quarters of a point, maybe they won't have to go as much. we'll see. listen, all of the data, another jobs report coming out of course and we got anothnflati report coming out before the fed has to make the decision in septemr but that is why wall street right now is rallying on the possibility that maybe the fed won't have to hike as much. >> cal, what are you hearing from folks? >> well, look, we talk so much about this economy and it makes sense when you look at inflation at this time of year. this is back to school time of year. recent earnings suggested that rich areas are spending more money, poor areas are spending less money. that's been true in earnings calls from five below, and

chipotle. i spoke to an econoeconomist. take a listen. >> higher income cosumers have more room to adapt. they can downgrade to store brands or less expensive stores. people who are living paycheck to paycheck don't have that room in their budgets. >> so let's take a look at how this applies to back to school because thiss a huge industry when we talk about the goods and services that are needed inack to school. $37 billion this year is what is expectedhat shoppers will spd on bk to school shopping. that's an average of $850 per household. jll which is a commercial real estate group looks at the spending habits. first, if you're from a family unaffected by inflation, you are going to spend 32% more this year on school supplies if you're fm a family that's significantly affected, you'll spend 15% less. what is all the more tragic about this lindsey, when you talk to families whether it's

polling or whether just anecdotal on the street evidence, they prioritize schooling and education so it's a shame some families this year because of inflation where the economy is not be able to spend as much. >> school lunches costing more and groceries. thank you both. in the last hour, president biden signed one of the most significant laws for veterans' health care in decades. the help it gives vets who got sick from toxic burn pits and the long road to get it passed. the biden's plan to get more people vaccinated against a monkey box. javier becerra join usive for that next. that next.a join us live for and longer when you need it most. its non-habit forming and powered the makers of nyquil. i could've waited to tell my doctor my heart was racing just making spaghetti...

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one true sacred allegation to equipped those we send into harm's way and care for them and their families when we come ho. >> chief white house correspondent kristen welr has more and paul founder of the veterans of america and hostf the "independent amecans podcast." chris, how exciting is it about the policy and politics? >> repter: lindsey, this is a bipartisan victory forresident biden and you could feel the emotion and the excitement in the east room today. it was really palpable. this is significant for all of those reasons. it expands health care and disability access to vet trinls who have been impacted by toxic burn pits, of course in the post 9/11 era but also of course helps veterans who served in other wars, the vietnam war for example.

so that is worth noting and again, the president is toting this as the most significant law that the country has ever passed to help millions of veterans who have been exposed to those toxic substances. it's important to take a step back and think about how they got here. it seemed as though this legislation was on a glide path for passage after months, if not years of wrangling over the specific details of this and then in late july, it hit a major hurdle with 25 republicans reversing their support of this legislation in the senate, they say due to some of the pricing in it, but basically created a huge backlash and then the bill passed mere days later. so again, this is a bipartisan victory 86-11 senators voting to pass this legislation that the president says will help millions of veterans to the politics of this, this does come against the backdrop of the president passing a number of other pieces of legislation, a

gun safety bill. it seems as though the white house and democrats are poised to pass legislation to decrease inflation. the inflation production about is what day call it and a dispute whether it will actually accomplish that. as they head into the midterms, democrats are bracing for the possibility of losses particularly with the president's approval rating at significant lows. so they are hoping some of these legislative achievements will help to turn that around, lindsey. >> thank you so much. paul how big is this? kind of a difference is this going to make in the life of a veteran impacted by this? >> it's tremendous. it's transformative. it tells america's veterans many of whom were suffering right now from toxin exposures and many of whom have cancer but help is on the way. it's worth celebrating. it's a rare bipartisan victory but at the sam time shameful and an indictment of the state of our politics it took this long. we started this fight on burn

pits 15 years ago, even longer. this will impact vietnam veterans who have been fighting for decades and in the end, one in five american veterans could receive support from is. so it's significantolitically and policy and it' significant financially and the moralupport we're not left behind and the government does see us a our fends sk and dyinganmmediately get suppor eourageny o them struggling with burn pits and been exposed, the v.a. miraculously within a couple urs s up aintake website to be prepared. right now you can register for suort and it's a rare example of government moving pretty quickly to meet the needs of folks that are not republicans or democrats but veterans. they're united around this need and hopefully, it's a point of motivation for americans when we're feeling a bit low about our country. it's a shot in the arm for all of us. >> have you heard from veterans given conces of the existing backlogs at the v.a., they're

worried about the limitation of this? >> sure. that's always the problem. look, today is the easy day. this is when all the politicians want tir picture taken and victory has1,000 fathers. e rea credit gs to the activists. they had to work hard to get the attention of the cntry and the politicians followed and we saw that over time and had a ridiculous block ithe final ages by pat toomy from pennsylvania. the second largest budget in the government and backlogs with implantation and now is when we really need vigilance from congress and both parties to ensure money is well spent and ensure the support is getting to the veterans. one thing, if it doesn't, they'll hear from veterans. they'll be back on capitol hill and have john stewart and raise hell like they did this time to get this passed. >> that said, don't want to take away from the moment so in addition to you saying this is a victory today, how does it feel for you personally to see this

cross the finish line? >> you know, it's difficult. i mean, it's great to see. it good to see veterans in the spotlight. it's exceptionally empowering to see so many veterans and family members and survivors there on stage and at the white house. they were sleeping outside a couple days ago in the heat and now they're standing next to the president in the white house but it shouldn't have had to come to this. it shouldn't have been this hard. we shouldn't have had to have friends sleeping outside the capitol and shouldn't have to overcome the opposition from senators who don't get it. we shouldn't have to call in john stewart who is a ballistic missile of shame forcing people to go forward. there is a lot of work to do. we got to change the sexist discriminatory motto at the v.a. and many of us want to see john stewart get the presidential medal of freedom. there is a lot of work ahead but today is a good moment but tomorrow we wake up and get back to work. >> thanks so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you, lindsey.

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the biden administration has a new dosing strategy to extend the limited supply available for the monkeypox vaccine. the fda is allowing health care providers to split a single dose of the vaccine into five. it would be administered under that top layer of skin instead of into a layer of fat between the skin and muscle. "the washington post" reports it's just as effective but could lead to a small bubble to the injection site that could scar. there are 9, 500 casesn the

u.s. we have xavier becerra with us. >> thank for havinme. >> why haven't health care providers been doing this the whole time? >> youant the research that lets you know what you're doing and will befecteffective and sa. we never had an outbreak of the monkeypox. we're treating people with what the smallpox treatments with smallp vaccines, which we are seeing work with monkeypox. you haveo tread carefully. the research done on the vaccines and treatments were done to prepare us for smallpox. >> what nee to happen to ensure a smooth transition for this? do more people need to be trained? do they need special needles? >> it's mostly the educaon out reach to the providers that will actual administer the shots, educatio to the individual who they -- everyone understands many of us remember when we were younger how we got some shots that were done that were

injected all the way in and so it's not that we haven't done it before, it that we've done it less but there are provider whose will quickly get the training they need to make sure they understand how to do it and continue to do the out reach to give consumers and give those who will get the shots and vaccines a understanding what is being done. >> is this going to help with the demand problem if we can split one vaccine into five, will we have enough vaccines for those who want them in the high risk category? >> undoubtedly. here is where we really urge everyone whether you're the provider who will administer the vaccine or if you're someone who really believes that y need the vaccine, please help us because once you begin to use that vile that has the dosage, we have to consume it. we can't store it. so while we can give five vaccines into arms of americans that need it, we need to have five americans readily available.

we want to make sure we're coordinating where the training and education and out reach will be important so we make the best use ofhose vaccines tha we have so we can get to everyone who needs one. >> secretary, you know, there is a lo of frustration on the ground from people. i have talked to people at a clinic for example in new york city that were showing up without appointments. they're trying to get a vaccine slot. they're being told no, call this number then they're being put on hold for an hour. the appointments are going in minutes. they're upset. what do you have to say to them about administration's response right now espially after what we learned from a global pandemic? >> work with your public health authorities. remember, we're 50 states and have 50 different ways we're doing administration of the monkeypox vaccine. we have different public health rules and so what we have to do is try to work together to make it work as one, as seamlessly as possible there are some parts of america where there is a greater

demand for the vaccines. other parts not as much. they should be preparing. we want everyone to know if you believe you're in the risk group and ready to get the shot, please, work with us, work with your localealth authorities so you can get to a appointment an get vaccinated. >> but secretary with a due respect, they are working with their local -- it's the local offices that are telling them, i'm sorry, we can't help you or i'msorry, call this number and being put on wait and telling me, why do i have to fight so ha to get the vaccine? eventually the buck is stoppin with the federal government. >> the federal government made over 1 million vaccines available and now, of course, with this ability to make one vaccine, one dose reach out to five people, even more than 1 million and so far, we've had abou 9500 cases total. we knowhere are more people who are probably infected above the 9500 but we've been disseminating the vaccine based the need, those psenting

with the monkeypox or also based on the populations that are most at risk. if we've been senng the vaccines out. administration is being done locally by the local health authorities and working to coordinate but there is -- there are vaccines available. there are test sites available for people to get tested to find out if they think they need monkeypox vaccination and we're trying to make sure we're focused on the populations most at risk so please, help us. by the way, folks have to help us, as well. if you know what can cause monkeypox, which is close contact, please help us. make sure that close contact if you have close contact with someone, make sure you're being safe because otherwise, you're unnecessarily putting yourself at risk of contracting monkeypox. >> all right. secretary becerra, we'll leave it there. thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. the justice department just announced an iranian plot to kill former trump national security advisor john bolton. the d.o.j. charged a member of

iran's islamic revolutionary guard with attempting torrange bolton's assassination by paying people in the united states $300,000. that guard has not been caught. the d.o.j.ays this was likely in retaliation for the killing of top iranian commander salamani in 2020. scott perry says three agents seized his cell phone. the chairman of the house freedom caucus has come under scrutiny by the january 6th committee subpna. joining me now is senr national political reporter and back again with me is legal analyst la ruben. what is the latest on perry's phone and what the house committee has said about his role in january 6th? >> well, lindsey, scott perry who chairs ultra conservative house freedom caucus is a top trump ally in the house of

representatives said yesterday that his cell phone was seized by fbi agents. he said that they made no attempt to contact his lawyer. he claimed he would have been willing to cooperate with the investigation. he said his phone contains information about his legislative and political and personal life which is none of the government's business. he said he's outraged though not surprised and compared it to the recent search of mar-a-lago that involves former president trump and apparently classified records. we don't know the details of this fbi investigation into perry. the justice department declined to comment. we know the january 6th committee has taken an interest into scott perry. they sent him a letter back in december asking him to appear before the committee for an interview. they say they believe he has had contact after the 2020 election with the white house with installing jeffrey clark as acting attorney general so the justice department could promote then president trump's false or

fabricated claims about a stolen election scott perry has refused to cooperate with the january 6th committee. he's also defied a subpoena and attacked the committee as illegitimate, lindsey. >> why would the texts be so significant as evidence? >> scott perry is all over january 6th as just said. we know for example, lindsey, he texted with mark meadows and suggested to mark meadows, the intelligence agencies should be involved in investigating whether china hacked into dominion owned voting machines. that's one thing we know. the texts would be significant because we know others potentially destroyed evidence having to do with scott perry. cassidy hutchinson testified before the january 6th committee that she saw her then boss mark meadows burn documents in his white house office fireplace right after a meeting with scott perry. we know also that scott perry sought a pardon from president

trump reportedly. the text he had with mr. meadows and others in the white house and around the trump campaign could be extraordinarily significant to flushing out his role in advance of and closer to january 6th. >> lisa, congressman perry compared the seizure of his phone to the fbi's search of mar-a-lago but is it dangerous to conflate the two? >> it is in two ways. one is both searches were done pursuant to lfully authorized search warrants. these weren't unauthorized raids and we can see in both cases the justice department took extra precautions given who t subjects were. for example, in congressman perry's case, they approached him while he was on vacation. they did not search his congressional office for example. that's because members of congress have a constitutional immunity from certain actns because of their membership in congress. when they're acting in their

official kawakami capacity, thee sued. the fact they approached congress man perry privately shows they were trying to avoid pitfalls. the other problem is congressman perry's comparison to the trump subpoena necessitateshinking that both of them were illegitimate and there is no reason to believe that the trump search warrant was any more illegitimate than the one searchedn congressman perry. they might have different subject matters and president trump's case, what the department of justice appears to be looking for is classified documents and other official records that trump transferred unlawfully to mar-a-lago but there is no reason to believe that is any more indicative of a banana republ as congressman perry said than the search warrants served on congressman perry himself. >> you mentioned and i'm going to rd part of that same statement in which you cald it a banana republic. he said doj chose this unnecessary and aggreive

action and instead of simply ntacting my attorneys. y in this case would they choose to seize his phone while traveling with his family as opposed to going through his attorneys? >> i think the reason that the department of justice looks for a seizure warrant, which is what they did in this case, that i have to apply for a second warrant to actually examine the contents of his phone or a search warrant is because you believe that actually reaching out to the attorneys or the subject themselves is not going to be productive for you in one of two ways, either they're not going to cooperate or that person is going to describe evidence if you engage in negotiations with them. in president trump's case for example, we know the department of justice was negotiating with his representatives for months and months. they even had an in person meeting in june and still, they believed that trump's representatives were not forthcoming with them and that is why they served the warrant. congressman perry's case, one of the things they might be looking for is his communications with

jeff clark. the department of justice official that effectively tried to install himself as attorney general to help trump overturn the election. the fact that jeff clark's phone has been seized and john eastman's phone has been seized and searched suggests they are looking for specific communications and if scott perry was tipped off, they might not find what they were looking for. >> we'll leave it there. thank you both so much. the field is officially set for what will be one of the most closely watched ill be one of tht closely watche