hi ali. trump world has now reportedly started speculating about who in the former president's orbit might have talked to the fbi and what it could mean for the we'll have more on that later but let's go back in time a little. to 2005. more than a decade before donald trump's first run for president, before he started flirting with racist birtherism conspiracies, back when he was just a real estate guy with a funny hair-do and a reality tv show, that year, the intrepid journalist tim o'brien the guy on the left, decided to start digging into the so-called trump empire. what he found then probably wouldn't shock anyone today, but back then it was a big deal.

tim o'brien discovered that donald trump's much-lauded business success was actually far less impressive than trump had led anyone to believe. he found that donald trump had been significantly overstating his net worth by billions of dollars. that he wasn't remotely close to being a billionaire and so in 2005, tim o'brien wrote a book, exposing donald trump's prolific lies, and exaggerations about his wealth. donald trump reported by suing defamation tim o'brien a year later and that's how we got to see what it's like when donald trump testifies under oath. quoting from the transcript, attorney. mr. trump, have you always been completely truthfulal in your public statements about your net worth of properties. trump, i try. attorney, have you ever not been truthful? trump, my net worth fluctuates, and itt goes up and downed wit markets and with attitudes and with feelings even, my own feelings, but i try.

attorney, let me just that a little. you said your net worth goes up and down based upon your own feelings? trump, yes, even my own feelings, as to where the world is, where the world is going, and hais can change rapidly fro day to day. attorney general, when you publicly state a net worth number, what do you base that number on? trump, i would say it's my general attitude at the time that the question may be asked, and as i say, it varies. after trump gave his "my net worth is actually just vibes testimony," the judge unsurprisely threw out that defamationhr case and it turns t the law didn't care about trump's feelings and years later trumptr ended up back in court this time as the defendant and being c sued by former students from his sham business school trump university. trump had claimed to have only hired the best of the best instructors forbe his fake scho, instructors who were hand-picked

by donald trump himself, but once under oath, trump again found himself having to answer for his own boastful lies, this time about his great memory. >> do you recall saying you have one of the all-time great memories. >> i think that was it. >> do you stand by it. >> yeah, a great number. >> you can tell me whether this person is a student, live events instructor, or neither? johnny harris? >> mike duben. mike goes lin. >> sounds very familiar. the names sound familiar. >> darren lebeman. >> the name sounds familiar. but too many years. >> johnny. >> i don't know. >> too many years. i don't know. trump ended up settling that case, payingup the plaintiffs $ million. late last year, donald trump was once again deposed under oath, the firstnd time he had been deposed since leaving the white

house, that deposition came in a case brought by protesters who said theyca were assaulted by trump's security atau a 2015 campaign rally, in that deposition, trump tried to justify telling his supporters to quote knock the crap out of protesters because of dangerous fruit. quote, they wereou going to thr fruit. we werere threatened. we had a threat. it's very dangerous stuff. you can get killed by those things. i wanted to have people be ready, because we were put on alert that they were going to do fruit. and some fruit is a lot worse than tomatoes are bad by the way. but it's very dangerous. theyy. were going to hit, they were going to hit very hard. so dangerous. this is how it's gone in the past. every time donald trump had to testify under oath, and now today, donald trump once again found himself giving sworn testimony. this time, it was in the new york attorney general's

investigation into whether trump knowingly lied about the values of hisut various properties in order to pay less in taxes. but this time, donald trump didn't cite his feelings or his great memory, or dangerous fruit. this time, he had a different strategy. just after donald trump arrived at theon new york attorney general's office at 9:00 a.m. this morning, donald trump released this statement, quote, i once asked, if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifthin amendment. now i know the answer to that question. when your family, your company, and all of the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated witch hunt supported byti lawyer, prosecutors and th fake news media, you have no choice. under the advice of my counsel, i declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the united states constitution. translation, donald trump, the former president of the united states, twice impeached, pled

the fifth. trump was in the attorney general's office for more than six hours today, according to the former president's attorney. during that time, donald trump only answered one question, and that was his name. he pled the fifth on every other question he was asked. now, the former president isn't the first trump to take this approach with the new york attorney general. back in 2020, trump's adult son eric pled the fifth nearly 500 times when questioned by the attorney general's office as part of this case, but trump's other adult children, ivanka and don jr. were questioned in the same case just last week and according to nbc news neither pled the fifth at any time in their questioning. trump's refusal to answer questions comes as theto investigationr into his busine appears to be zeroing in. according to the associated press,ac the new york attorney general's office is nearing the end of its investigation, and quote, could decide to bring a lawsuit seeking financial

penalties against trump, or his company, or even a ban on them being involved in certain types of businesses. and also the matter of the ongoing criminal investigation into trump out of the manhattan district attorney's office which presumably would be able to use any of trump's testimony today in helping build its case against him as well. and then there are the various january 6th investigations continuing to probe trump's attempt to overturn the legitimate election, and now a justice department investigation into trump's removal of classified records for which the fed obtained a search warrant on monday. all of this seems to have scared donald trump into doings something hear has never had too before in his life. sit down and shut up. my nest guest is just the persos we want to speak to on a night like tonight. no one who has done more in depth reporting on the trump family and business practices. joining me is suzanne craig, investigative reporter for "the new york times," one of the lead reporters on the times pulitzer

prize winning investigation into donald trump's finances, suzanne. good to see you this evening. thanks for being with us. >> good to see you. >> clearly, there were some calculation on the part of donald trump today to plead the fifth. why would it make sense for him to do that in this particular trial, which mostly affects his businesses, it's not a criminal trial? >> well, it definitely was a lot of thought that went into it from trump and his legal team's end. i think the reason why is you got the civil case, if that goes to trial, it can be used against him and not for him, and a lot of people have talked about that today, as people have been mulling over this case, but you also have to look that he's got this criminal case going on in new york. they're looking at him individually. and right now, that doesn't seem to be like it's percolating. that if he didn't take the fifth, and he said something in a deposition, it could be used against him and not for him, and

also, he's heading to trial, you know, both the trump organization and his cfo, and that could also, you know, anything to be said in a deposition could land him, you know, potentially land in that as well. so i there was a lot of jeopard going into today, if he did decide not to take the fifth. it's just sort of, it felt like it is a bit like a basketball and it's thrown and you don't know quite where it wasan goingo land. >> it's unusual though for donald trump because there are always lawyers who say maybe say less l and you'll be okay. we have'l no idea where this ca is going to go. as you said, it could end up with a trial or a settlement. he paid a $25 million settlement in the trump university case. what do you make of what the likely outcome is and what influence it has on everything else it has been discussing? is this a stand alone case and he takes a settlement and goes to trial and it doesn't affect the january 6th investigation and the various other investigations into the trump orbit. >> it doesn't,ve no, the countr is very polarized on january

6th. we have sort of two things going on. there isin a lost political investigations, and then you've got all of the ones of his business. i'm very bad at predicting how things are going to go. i try to stay away from that. but if history is any barometer, you've got two settlements that he's had with the new york attorney general. h i really do feel like it could go that way. but i think he's just kicking the can down the road. if he settles, that could take a while. if it goes to trial, it could take even longer. and at least in the short term, anything that he has said in a deposition isn't going to get kicked down to new york, where there'sn a very immediate criminal threat going on. but if he was sort of like okay, i'll take the fifth today, whatever is going to happen is goings to happen, up in albany with the civil case, but at least i'm not going to get into any more trouble in that criminal case into my businesses in new york. >> and that's the area which you have great expertise and in court filings the attorney

general's office has saidco tha trumpge may have quote improper obtained more than $5 million in federal tax benefits from misrepresenting his financial condition. does any of the evidence that is obtained for the new york investigation wind up in federal prosecutors' hands? >> definitely could.ef and i think that's what sort of this a s-all a richlkt it's interesting, you seehl that twof his children didn't take the fifth and with that, you don't know what their involvement was. there is a lot behind the but we don't know what the evidence is. . they decided not to, they had individual counsel. and it may be they didn't know a lot. and it could deposition amnesia going onep there, but with trum it is a very real threat. and he was looking at it i think from, you know, the proceeding that he's facing, in new york city that are criminal, that are very serious, you know, the civil case is serious, it will come to some sort of a conclusion, either a trial, or a settlement, i'm sure the settlement will be large, but i

think that is sort of the factor that was paramount to what he was thinking about how to handle this. >> suzanne, thank you as always, we appreciate the depth of your reporting and your analysis. susanne craig, pulitzer prize investigative reporter for "the new york times." a further breakdown of what this all means for trump legal limitns let's turn to joyce van, former united states attorney for the districts of alabama and you heard the conversation with susanne why donald trump would invokesa the fifth amendment in this trial which is about his bid and something that we were hinding at and there's a lot that donald trump could say because he is a big talker that could be held against him and he may be worried about other cases in addition to this particular one in which he was deposed. >> we're looking at it from the perspective of trump's lawyers. this is the sort of client that you do not want to give free range to in a deposition. you want to do everything that

you can do to constrain his testimony. so the statement that was issued today that you referenced at the top of the show, very lawyerly, it is set forth in language that is unlike that used by the former president. this notion that he can't talk because no matter what he says, the attorney general would find a way to use that against him. and you know, whether that's true or annot, this is a civil case about his business practices. it's unrelated in any way to january 6th. like every other person who is involved in our legal system, he has a right to decline to testimony if he believes that the words coming out of his mouth would tend to incriminate him. so entirely proper for him to do that. but obviously not without consequence. and susanne hints at a very interesting one. we don't know what his children testifiedat to last week. we don't know if their decision not to assert the fifth amendment means some sort of deal has been struck. there's no indication that there's any form of cooperation

going on there in exchange for their truthful testimony. that's one possibility. as to the deposition amnesia, that is another. and they may not believe that their deposition testimony incriminated them distinguishing them from their father apparently. >> there is a lot of peoplegu w said the last few years, we wouldas love to have donald tru testify under oath anywhere for anything and he is such a talker andan likely to incriminate himself this. seems like the advice of counsel who has said you're a big talker and youwh could incriminate yourself because you talk so much,se and i'm surprised that other people, and other people might be that donald trump has the discipline to be able to do that, but is that him perhaps finally listening to good legal advice? >> it's hard to make that call, but what it suggests is that he appreciates the seriousness of the situation that he's in.

his home has been searched. the january 6th committee hearings healed by the house were very serious. and that information and evidence that they uncovered came very close to him. and so while here we're talking about his business practices, he obviously is concerned that there'sob some risk and perhaps thatis risk in his mind is that the criminal investigation, that is currently on a little bit of a break in the manhattan d.a.'s office, that that could have come back to life, if he had engaged in sort of a full range of testimony in this deposition. >> let's talk about the don jr. and ivanka depositions recently where as you said they answered questions but they did not plead the fifth. and it could be, as you said, they might see things differently than donald trump sees it, but is it possible that the criminal exposure that's being investigated here doesn't applyst to them? in other words, are they fine with testifying because they don't think this has any

carry-over effect to anything else? >> the way i read this case that letitia james, the new york attorney general is involved in, isto that it is a civil case looking at business practices and seeing whether or not trump organization lived up to new york law. if they ndidn't, the consequens could include civil fines. ore it could even include some limitations on their business. of tacourse, the new york attory general, her predecessor had shut down the function of trump's charity, because of blatantar violations of new yor law, and ultimately saying you can't do business here anymore. so that is sort of what is at stake here in the civil case that she's involved in, and those are very serious matters. certainly for trump, losing that business, would be a serious sort of a sanction. the possibilities with his children, it's tough to accept, because we don't know the focus of thebe questions or the inqui. it could be that they simply lacked knowledge about the

fundamental allegations here, which involved inflating the value of property inappropriately in order to obtain certain kinds of financial advances. and perhaps, theync were able t say they weren't involved, they didn't see, they weren't overseeing the annual financial statements that were being ovma, and so it is possible that their responses were because, as you say, ali, that they didn't feel that they were at herisk. >> joyce, good to see you. i missed you. your state of alabama this weekend, and i didn't get a chance to see you but i'll have to make another trip. >> enjoyed the show though. thanks,ed ali. >> joyce vance, a former united states attorney for the northern district of d alabama. we have much more to get to tonight including new details on the fbi search inside mar-a-lago. and an interviewch with some ve special friends of ours. stay with us.nt it's dr. scholl's time. our insoles are designed with unique massaging gel waves, for all-day comfort and energy. find your relief in store or online.

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since the fbi searched mar-a-lago two days ago, donald trump's allies have publicly jumped to his defense both here in the united states and abroad.

>> just a sampling of the commentary aired on russian state tv after the fbi raid and called it a witch hunt worse than mccarthyism my friends. they said it was political, a strategy for 2024. ring any bells for you? is russian state tv starting to sound like your average republican member of congress? >> the way the federal government lass got it, it is what we thought about the gestapo, people like that, that just go after people. >> i think every republican believes that the fbi, when it comes to trump, and other organizations, have lost their mind. >> governor ron desantis has now tweeted out the raid on mar-a-lago is yet another escalation in the weaponization of federal agencies against the regimes, political opponent, while people like hunter biden get treated with kid gloves. >> the regime's political opponents. republicans have been bashing on

air and on twitter decrying trump's treatment, ignoring any potential criminality while simultaneously vowing to go after the biden family if they win the price and those calls for explanations and revenge are echoed by russian media. as for what we know about the fbi raid itself, in june, jay brat, the chief of the counter-intelligence of the justice department visited mar-a-lago with a group of federal investigators. we spoke about this a bit yesterday. according to the reporting from "the new york times," later matched by other news outlets. quote, after mr. bratt and other officials visited mar-a-lago, they subpoenaed the trump organization for a copy of mar-a-lago's surveillance tapes, the company complied, turning over the tapes to the government. it was after that, and a few statements about trump's attorneys about which documents he had actually returned that the d.o.j. began to question the accuracy of what trump's team was telling them. jay bratt's pred ses ner that

counter-intelligence job was david laufman who handled the hillary clinton and david petraeus investigations which involved around the handling of classified government records. he had this to say to "politico" about the search of the former president's flard home. quote for the department to pursue a search warrant at mar-a-lago tells me that the quantum and the quantity of the evidence that they were reciting in a search warrant and an affidavit that an fbi agent swore to was likely so pulverizing in its force as to eviscerate any notion that the search warrant and this investigation is politically motivated. joining us now is david laufman former chief of the counter-intelligence and export control section in the justice department's national security division. he held that position until 2018 and he oversaw both the investigation of hillary clinton's handling of classified records, and the investigation of david petraeus. mr. laufman, thank you for being here tonight. >> goods to be with you.

>> and we know that many republicans are claiming that this investigation is political but i just read what you said to "politico," that the only way that the d.o.j. would have pursued this search warrant is if it had evidence that it raised any notion that this would be politically motivated. what do you think that evidence might be? why are you so sure about that? i think in matters of this sensitivity, the department is going to hear an abundance of caution to make sure that not only that they can satisfy the legal standard of probable cause to persuade a magistrate judge to issue the warrant but to be able to withstand public scrutiny at such time that the warrant affidavit may be made public or the department can comment publicly about it. and so there is kind of a plus factor, if you will, that attends to these kind of investigative endeavors where the department wants to make sure that they are as air-tight as possible, and so robust, as to demonstrate cogently that there was more than an abundance

of evidence to support the search warrant here and what flows from it. >> this section that you headed, that mr. bratt now head, the counter-intelligence and export control section, what about that could tell us what the fbi was looking for? why your department? >> well, in the department of justice policy, that section, the counter-intelligence and export control section, ces, is assigned responsibility nationwide for the investigation and prosecution of a number of offenses under the criminal law, including offenses relating to the mishandling of classified information. so the fact that jay was personally involved in this matter signifies to me that there is a thread running through this consistent with the proposition that there are violations of mishandling of classified information that present national security risks that feature in this investigation. and that is almost certainly why he had been personally involved

and helping to ensure that every "i" is dot and every "ts can "is crossed with how it is conducted with the consistent standards of department of justice policy and judicial precedent are being applied in evaluating how best to proceed in this matter. >> you mentioned it could have national security implications because there are some people who might argue, isn't this all a technicality? sure, if you work for the government, as you have, you're not supposed to take anything home with you. it's not your property. you can't even take photographs that you didn't bring in. what part of this thing makes it clear that this isn't just a technicality, that donald trump shouldn't have government property at his home? >> well, there are a number of things we know about already through reporting. we know that boxes were sent back many months ago from mar-a-lago to the national archives and the national archives reviewed and was horrified to discover it contained classified information. and that they made a referral to the department of justice about

that very issue. and that is likely what triggered alarm bells and got the national security division at the justice department involved in the first place that transformed this from simply a case involving a failure to return records per se under the presidential records act, into an investigation concerned about the exposure of classified information. there is nothing that concerns the fbi and the department of justice more than the notion that there is classified information out there in the wild, in a place it is not authorized to be, where multiple people may have access to it, including possibly foreign nationals, and of course, we know, as you put up in your program last night, that this president is inviting foreign nationals in his proximity and display caning classified information, and there is no telling why he would have brought classified information back to mar-a-lago and even

maintained it after being confronted with questions by the department of justice. >> some people who have criticized the fbi and the department of justice came to it slowly and the criticism has sounded a bit like the fbi better explain what's going on right now, otherwise people are going to lose faith in the fbi and the department of justice. evaluate that for me. should the fbi be explaining why there was a raid on the home of the former president of the united states? >> well, of course, there is sealing order in effect that restricts the department of justice and what they can say in an authorized way about the search. i do think there is probably some measure in the public education that the department leadership, the attorney general, the deputy attorney general, can engage in to reassure the american people that all of the rules a r-followed hire and abided by every procedure constitutionally in carrying out the search and in fact, it was carried out in more gen teal fashion and they were not wearing their customary windbreaker and low profile in

carrying the search out and done in a clegele way, they didn't break the door down. so you know, the notion that this is carried out in some heavy-handed footprint is just, you know, some kind of febrile rubber room stuff that is being fed to the masses who support this president to create this kind of uproar. and it is causing what appears to be threats to the lives and families of law enforcement officers and department of justice officials. and that's something that the department and the fbi have to take and the u.s. marshall service have to take very seriously. >> thank you for being with us. we appreciate your insight which we wouldn't be able to get from some of you who doesn't understand it as well as you do. david laufman, we appreciate your time tonight, sir. >> thank you. up next, a remarkable story about sacrifice, perseverance, and most of all, brotherhood at the end of america's longest war. our friends major tom schumann and his afghan interpreter zac

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president biden right before pulling the united states out of afghanistan made a point to underline the commitment we as a country have made to the afghan men and women who risked their lives to serve as interpreters for the u.s. military. >> our message to those women and men is clear. there is a home for you in the

united states, if you so choose, and we'll stand with you just as you stood with us. >> that was a year ago last month. the war in afghanistan was the longest war in this nation's history. the message that president biden was underlining there is a message america used to recruit afghan residents for more than a decade. if you risk your life to serve and protect our military, there's a home for you in america. a month after biden made that statement, both rachel and i had the honor to speak with these two men, major tom schueman and his major interpreter zac, and they were assigned to one of the most dangerous areas in all of afghanistan, and zac risked his life day in and day out to help u.s. troops. on one occasion, zac overheard two taliban fighters from the distance talking on their radios as they organized an attack on a group of marines modding slowly toward them behind an engineer

with a meetle detector and knowing they were in dangerous and waiting for a minefield sweeper, he tackled a fighter saving a marine's life. and he was in 20 years old when he started working in the afghan military and now in the 30s he qualified for the visa program for the u.s. military and applied in 2016. when we spoke with him last year, he couldn't get out of afghanistan. he was being held up by a bureaucratic technicality. all the while, he started getting threatening letters like this one from the taliban. they called him an infidel and a traitor. and they made clear, as the u.s. evacuated that they planned to hunt him down and kill him for working with u.s. forces. at one point he believes he was poisoned by the taliban and hospitalized him which lest him without a pancreas and a

diabetic but luckily he was alive. with the u.s. pulling out of afghanistan and his life more in immediate danger major schueman pulled out the stops to get him out. and he wrote letters for the visa applications and made calls and sent money to get bribes to get past checkpoints in kabul which was the only air base you could use to escape. major schueman's mom wrote letters to the white house to lobby for zac but none of the formal system that was supposed to work specifically for people like zac worked. so major schueman in contact with zac took to social media to beg for anyone who knew anyone on the ground in afghanistan to help get zac out. he used footage like this clip of two of zac's kids to help humanize his children. and this photo of zac and his family outside the airport, having fled their home at 2:00 a.m., three different marines and contractors had tried to help them get into the airport, none were successful. well, this selfie video of them

at the airport entry point, where they were again denied entry two days later, you can hear one of the kids crying in the background. and then finally, these photos with the caption, wheels up. today's an intense amount of lobbying and crowd sourcing to help zac and his family, they finally made it out. here are zac and major schueman this year reunited in the united states. now zac and major schueman's story is a true heroes story but it shouldn't have to be. a little over 18,000 people like zac and their families have been granted this special type of visa that let's them into the united states. but as of july of this year, that still leaves behind more than 74,000 people who risked their lives to work for the u.s. the state department estimates that when you include those eligible people's family members that number becomes 160,000 people. 160,000 people trapped in a country facing economic collapse, dire food shortages, and oppressive government, and

because of their work with the united states, potentially death. but interpreters like zac, when they get into the united states, one of the things we're supposed to do is give them a green card, a path to permanent legal status in the united states. zac's story isn't over yet. as of april, his most recent visa application was rejected. so even after all that he has done for this country, and all that he has done to get to this country, his stay in the united states is still not guaranteed. zac and major schueman join me here live in the studio right after this. n me here live in the studio right after this it's dr. scholl's time. our insoles are designed with unique massaging gel waves, for all-day comfort and energy. find your relief in store or online.

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wheels up was the caption on this photo of the afghan interpreter zac the day he finally got himself and his physical lay out of afghanistan last year after a heroic lean effort by major thomas schueman but there is so much more to the story in the brand new book "always faithful" a sorry in the war in afghanistan and the fall of kabul and the unshakeable bond between a marine and an interpreter. reading it you get a sense of how close these men became. tom, major schueman writes, quote, zac had become my friend and confidante, tactically and professionally. zac was the constant i needed. as we walked and talked with local villagers and patrolled with members of the afghan national army, zac served as the inter loce tore for it all. we were working in parallel, because he was literally charged

with both conveying my words and their intent, we became almost one person in a sense. zac also shares in the book, in his own words why he close to remain an interpreter after several of his colleagues quit because of the taliban's attacks. quote, i thought someone has to take a chance for afghanistan. i was not in the afghan national army but i felt that by using my skills to help people trying to help afghanistan, i was serving my country and building our future. end quote. their story is one of more courage and friendship and it is ongoing. joining us now is active duty marine major tom schueman, head of the a nonprofit for veterans and major schueman and zac, you and i have talked before, you have spoke within rachel, and we have talked in perilous circumstances, you were wearing a mask and still stuck in afghanistan, and we weren't sure were going to get out. >> exactly. >> and now you're here. >> now we are here, yes. >> how does that feel?

>> it feels, you know, like i live life, and get out, you know, but our hope was to, to not be like that for that long, and my guess it would be guillotne, you know, because of brotherhood and always faithful, like, we wrote our book, we keep our promises. >> always faithful, wow. >> together right now. >> it's amazing. and you put meat on the bones of this story for a lot of people. because at the time, there were a number of people like zac who were stuck there, and we didn't feel like we were doing exactly

the right thing as americans but what we couldn't understand what this unusual relationship was and into your book you go into great detail about how zac was with you all the time, he literally walked in your footsteps largely to prevent you from stepping on an i.e.d. but you walked in your footsteps and you described how he learned to speak for you, not just on your behalf as a translator but in fact to get your intent across, based on who he was talking to. >> sure. i mean he was always one arm distance away. the mission there was to provide better security for the people. there were also partnering with an afghan army. not only do i need him to help communicate with the afghan army soldiers but help me communicate with the local populous and rather than say word for word what i am trying to say, he understands the spirit and the intent of what i was trying to say, and that he's help meag understand the nuances, culturally, that are occurring

in and around me and so to have have him help me to read the environment and understand the environment and speak freely me than trying to spell each little thing out what, we call an incredible force multiplier to have him beside me >> i was so excited to finally get to meet you and i thought everything would be fine and i realized everything is not fine with you yet. you have to get yourself permanent residency here. why is that not working? >> we are working on the citizenship and the green card, but the work i did with the marine forces in the province, this is the period that is about nine months, and they decided you have rules for the applicants, they have like two years. >> two years. >> so you got nine months. >> and they want two years. >> and i did for two years in my

province, arms, special forces but i didn't get any paperwork that rirs the evidence that i have this and that's why they denied my case in march and they denied my case. we are still struggling to find out what will happen next. >> is that a problem with our system, major schueman, that does that feel like a technicality tore you, or what are we supposed to do about stuff like this because it seems abundant, it was abundant to rachel and me and after reading this book, it will be clear to everybody that zac needs to be here and should be here. >> it would be nice if at times the system was more humanized. but not only that, it's very clear what the contract of the visa, that program states, and

it is actually now been reduced to 12 months, zac served for almost four years. there's, we've found supplemental documentation from that unit, we have that now as well. with that supplemental information, his last application was still denied. we put the appeal. in and we're still waiting. so you can infer what you would from that process but it surely does not seem to work. >> in the spirit that it is intended. zak, when we last spoke to you, as i said, your face was covered, you were frightened, chi tell you were frightened and now hearing from you tonight that you thought that might be the last time you would do an interview and that they would come for you, the taliban would come for you, what happened after that, how did you get out? >> we did like three attempts to the airport, to go there and go in, and somebody help us, tom's

friends, there was one of them, he was told to sends him in, they sent the location because of too much crowd, and the people who had done work with the americans, they all were waiting to go. to go with the u.s. forces, because their life was at risk, and most of them who risked, the tall been killed already. and we did it two times, to go there and a third time, just some of seal team guys that who were friends of major tom, and they said the location, and it was shown at the time, to come in, and somebody was supposed to pick me up from my apartment in kabul and bring me there to get me in.

but when i get there, i send in the picture, i send my family's picture to tom, and they send it to them, and they just targeted my son with a blue shirt. and they just said keep your son on your shoulder, and so we can see you. >> so we can see you. >> your son is your sign, basically. you are the sign. so they know that shirt. and i put him on my shoulder when i get to that point, and it was morning, about 8:00 or 9:00, and i saw some people, i think it was military, i know who they are, i said i saw the seal team guys, and i feel happy, so i saw the guys, i think they come for me, and i shook my hand, my son was on my shoulders, and they saw me from the rooftop, and

zak, you see my son, and he was wearing a blue t-shirt and i saw them, i said this is who i am, and they jumped around and went back and i saw them go down to the gate and open the gate where i was at and i thought i would get out then. at that time was still scared. >> you're here. >> the last time i was worried about you, you ended up in america, so this time i'm worried about you and hopefully that means you will get your visa to stay in america, and it is a great honor to meet you. thank you for your service to our country. >> thank you. >> and thank you for your service to our country. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. this is a beautiful story of your friendship and your compliment to each other. and to both of your countries. so thank you for being here. >> thank you. marine major thomas schueman and former interpreter zak, a book

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that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. if you're not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for? right? have you ever seen anything so corrupt in your life? have you ever seen a greater embarrassment to our country? >> well, that was one of the many times donald trump criticized taking the fifth amendment. yesterday, that basically is all he did during a deposition with the new york a. g.'s office. plus new reporting on the fbi search of mar-a-lago and how the d.o.j. learned about the possibility of more classified documents on the property. also ahead, the trump