of governors. the chairman of the board right now is a trump holdover, a republican named roman martinez. he supports the postmaster general. that is why mr. lajoie remains on his job. >> thanks very much. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. lindsey roger picks up with more news right now. ws right now good morning. i'm lindsey reiser at msnbc headquarters in new york. new developments on donald trump's mounting legal troubles. from his deposition under oath in new york to reports that someone in trump world may have teed off the fbi search at mar-a-lago. first the deposition we're learning from his attorney that trump sat for more than four hours of questioning by the new

york attorney general's office, he invoked his fifth amendment right more than 440 people. he did answer one question, though, his name. in moments, the line of questioning he faced and what it indicates about the civil case the attorney general is building. plus, new reporting about why the fbi search of mar-a-lago may have happened even after more than a dozen boxes were retrieved by the national archives earlier in the year. "the wall street journal" reports someone familiar with the stored papers told investigators there may still be more classified documents at the private club after the national archives retrieved 15 boxes earlier in the year. people familiar with the matter said. as of now, nbc news has not ind pently verified the reporting. the focus is intensifying on how the justice department should handle this unprecedented moment. pressure is intensifying on attorney general merrick garland to explain the search as trump's allies and defenders lob unverified allegations at the

fbi. and violent rhetoric, threats to fbi agents and facilities have spiked in corners of the web in the wake of the search. fbi director wray is te announcing threats. >> any threats made against law enforcement, including the men and women of the fbi, as with any law enforcement agency are deplorable and dangerous. we have in this country had over the last few years an alarming rise in violence against law enforcement. >> we start there with the former president's mounting legal troubles. ron allen is at trump's bedminster property in new jersey following his depp vision. vaughn hillyard is near palm beach in mar-a-lago and chuck rose emburg and david drucker from "the washington examiner." robert, what more are we learning about what trump was asked in this deposition? >> reporter: we don't know

specifically what he was asked. we know what the case is all about. it's a civil fraud investigation. one of the central allegations that trump and his associates in the trump organization were inflating the value of their properties, their assets as they were applying for loans to get more value and more money to infuse into the business. we know this investigation has been going on for several years by letitia james, the state attorney general in new york and we also know there is a parallel investigation, a criminal investigation going on in the manhattan district attorney's office and we know from that investigation, there has been one indictment of allen weisselberg, the chief financial officer of the organization, who was charged and faces trial beginning in october, essentially he was charged with accepting off the books payments in exchange for income and accepting perks, tuition payments for his grandkids, luxury cars and so forth, a tax avoidance scheme is essentially what the central allegation

there in the criminal case. the trump organization the allegation is that trump as the head of the organization was inflating and altering appraisals and altering the books to get a better, to put his business in a better financial position. again, we don't know the specific questions. there were 440 fifth amendments, there were some four hours of questioning. we know the attorney general letitia james participated in some of it. trump said on social media it was all very professional. he has accused her of being a racist and this was a politically motivated investigation. she has said that it was, she will continue to pursue the facts of the law wherever they lead and that the investigation continues. lindsay? >> chuck, we know from producer adam reese's reporting that one of trump's attorneys was there

and asked about valuations about various items in golf clubs, asked about signing documents, mortgages, to the size of his apartment. what is the significance of the former president invoking the fifth amendment more than 440 times? >> very interesting question. the supreme court made it clear the fifth amendment privilege is for the guilty and the innocent. your viewers can decide which category mr. trump falls in, but in a civil case, invoking the fifth amendment privilege, right, telling the judge, telling the court that you can't answer a question truthfully because a truthful answer would incriminate you can be used against you in a civil case, not always, but often a jury is told in a civil case if someone invoking the fifth, you can infer they did that because the answer would hurt them. that's not true in a criminal case. in a criminal case, lindsey, invokation of the fifth amendment privilege can never be used against you but this is not a criminal case as ron just

described. it's a civil case and so there's some risk to mr. trump that, by invoking the fifth amendment privilege, he stays out of trouble in one realm but might invite trouble in a civil case where inferences can be drawn against him because he refused to answer a question. >> david, we also know that the former president during his deposition read a statement calling this the greatest witch hunt in the history of our country and falls in line with some of the playbook that we've seen the former president do before. what do you make of that strategy? >> well, it's been very successful for him in terms of keeping his base on his side. republican officials, the republican national committee and the congress inis with camp for no other rp they rallied republicans on their side. we need to find out more about what we are dealing with in

order to be able to render some smart political analysis about what the impact of all of this might be, but i tend to think, if past is prologue, we don't know how much this really changes the game in that every time there's an investigation into mr. trump and things look let's say not kosher at the very least, republicans that support him tend to view the information and the purveyors of the information as engaging in a witch hunt and having it out for him and it doesn't change their mind, and whenever some of these investigations appear to come up short, i think of the russia investigation, where ultimately there were no charges and it was written in a way at the very least that show that maybe it looked funny but mr. trump really didn't do anything wrong, democrats tend to look at the results from that and say that's not the way to look at it. that's not a proper interpretation of the russian investigation and we all know

trump is crooked anyway, therefore my opinion hasn't changed, which is all to say that everybody's back in their corner in terms of where they are on mr. trump, either moving skeptics and opponents into his camp nor getting people who support him no matter what to reassess that support. >> vaughn, over to you at mar-a-lago. what are latest developments there? also we know that republicans are kind of filling the silence void about why this search warrant was executed and justified. talk about some of the political shifts we're seeing as well. >> reporter: right, i think that it's important when we look at the political shifts that you guys were just lining up there, you have to look at this as being incremental over the course of the seven years, from the mueller probe to the impeachment trials to the 2020 election certification process here. donald trump has built up political power in large part through grievances and through fear. i think it's important to note, when you are looking at just the

last 72 hours, essentially with the department of justice remaining silent here, it is donald trump and republicans who have filled that void here. donald trump even suggesting that the fbi may have planted material to harm him but that has been echoed by lawmakers and other prominent republicans, and that is where, when you are looking at really the construct of where this is politically with less than three months until these november midterm elections it's the likes of lindsey graham, a long time respected voice of the republican party who comes up and says the fbi is attacking the republican party. i think it's important to look at that through this lens here, when you're talking about an american populous that is quite differential and sympathetic to donald trump and what they perceive political attacks against him. >> vaughn just mentioned the

idea and the talk something could have been planted during this search and we know director wray was asked about that unsubstantiated allegation. i want to play some of that right now. >> maybe the best thing for everybody to do right now in order to calm things down and sort of reset the playing field is for trump to come forward with the search warrant that he received and the receipt of the documents that were taken and the doj to come forward with the affidavit they swore out to a judge. >> obviously that was not director wray, that was nick mulvaney talking about the need, chuck, to release this affidavit. do you think trump will? >> so let me break this down a little bit, because it can be confusing. there are sort of three main parts to the search warrant. the warrant itself, which is simply a one-page order permitting the agent's lawful entry, the return or the inventory, which is a list of things that they took. those two things, lindsey, are

likely in trump's hands right now, the one-page order and the itemized list to return inventory what was taken. what we really need to see is the affidavit. that's usually a 20 or 30-page document under seal for legitimate law enforcement reasons and at some point it will be unsealed. i agree we need to see it but there are other imperatives, perhaps an ongoing criminal investigation. i have counseled people to be patient, right, take a breath, and we can judge the case when we can judge the affidavit, we can judge the affidavit when it's unsealed, as long as there is a legitimate law enforcement reason to keep it sealed, and by the way, you have to convince a judge of that. it's her decision, to seal or unseal, based on motion from the government. we don't really know what's in it and guessing doesn't help. >> david, chuck says we should take a breath but we know this is politically fraught on both

sides. what are the raw politics of this? >> well it's hard to judge the raw politics without knowing the scope of the investigation, what documents were taken, what's really behind the investigation and why the justice department and the fbi felt the need to execute a search warrant on a former and possibly future president at the very least a future presidential candidate most likely, and i think that because trump is a former president and possibly a presidential candidate in the future, even though we like to say that justice is blind and everybody should be treated the same, it obviously raises the stakes and it has supporters of the republican party and of mr. trump in particular feeling as though this has to be politically motivated, and of course then you have democrats on the other side saying look, he should be treated just like anybody else. he doesn't get a free pass simply because he's politically important. i think both of these arguments can have merit at times. there's a lot of tension between

them, but i think at the end of the day, you look at 2022 as an election where the republicans already had the wind at their back, already had enthusiasm. i think the question is, does this change any of that, and i don't think we can know that immediately. we need to see the dust settle. we need to see voters internalize this, synthesize this, with everything else they're considering and see if this really has any material changes. it could change things for mr. trump, headed into a 2024 bid, maybe rallying republicans to his side, that were thinking of going elsewhere but possibly not. there are stories about trump supposedly fading and there you go, you did it again, now they like him again. voters that want to support trump will always find some reason and this is just another reason for them to do that if they want to. >> ron allen, vaughn hillyard, chuck rosenburg and david drucker, thank you for starting off. new details about the iranian assassination plot

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this morning, we're learning more details about what was apparently a broader iranian plot to kill john bolton and other former trump officials. there was a job for $1 million to target another american and two sources familiar with the plot say that person is former secretary of state mike pompeo. the person believed to be behind the plot a member of the revolutionary guard is at large. the d.o.j. says shahram poursafi

offered someone $300,000 to carry out bolton's killing. ken dilanian has the latest and we're joined by vivian salami, national reporter forever the "wall street journal." what do we know about this plot and how the doj cracked it? >> there's a lot we don't know how the doj and other intelligence agencies got onto this plot. what we know from court documents is that they were working with a confidential human source and in fact, this accused member of the iranian revolutionary guard was offering to pay a person who turned out to be an fbi source so they had control of the thing right from the beginning. as you mentioned $300,000 to kill john bolton and $1 million to kill former secretary of state mike pompeo. it underscores the continued threat to the former trump administration officials, some of whom involved in the planning for the operation that called al

soulmani, former chief of the quds force. many people stepped up security. another i talked to said he was chuckling about the idea he could be a target of iran. so far the u.s. has unraveled a loft the plots including for example a man arrested with an ak-47 outside the home of iranian dissident a couple of weeks ago in brooklyn. so we're really rather remarkable development the u.s. is openly accusing the government of iran of trying to assassinate former members of the american government. >> vivian, there are some fascinating details that are trickling out. you spoke with john bolton. he told you, for example, he didn't have secret service detail until some of the threats became concrete. what did he tell you? >> well some people out there may remember that john bolton departed from the white house not on the best terms with

president trump, but president trump would blast him and accuse him of taking some stances that were problematic, so ambassador bolton was telling me he was essentially secret service detail was lifted and some officials typically get secret service continued for another three or four months after they depart especially if they are figures that might draw some sort of attempts like the one we're talking about now, controversial national security decision about you his was lifted immediately when he resigned in 2019. flash forward to january of 2020 when this assassination happened, shortly afterwards ambassador bolton received word from the fbi there was a plot against his life and he was working with the fbi pretty closely. at one point as the entire bots got more tense he worked with

the informant you can take pictures of me emerging from my office building and send it, because part of the guise this suspect, he was taking photographs of bolton of an alleged book he was writing about him and going to use the informant to take pictures and pay him to carry out his work so john bolton at that point working with the informant, trying to help the fbi to collaborate so that they could catch the suspects and obviously that work did continue and was successful. i just want to note that john bolton eventually did get secret service detail but that came about in december of last year when the biden administration decided to allow him to have secret service protection as this threat continued. >> so many fascinating details from your reporting. vivian, how could this affect diplomatic relations with iran? >> well, so far, the biden administration is saying that it is a very serious matter, that they take any kind of assassination attempt against an

american citizen very seriously and essentially they put iran on notice, but whether or not it derails their efforts to achieve any nuclear agreement with iran, for now, they're saying they're going to continue their talks, because of the fact they believe the world would be safer ultimately if they were to reach a deal with iran and so they're saying the two items, while obviously the assassination attempts are something they take very seriously, it is not something that they're going to, that will overshadow their efforts to reach a nuclear deal with iran. >> if this person allegedly behind this plot is at large right now, let's say he is in iran, how likely will that lead to an arrest? >> the iranian government will very unlikely go after this suspect, and this is something that obviously is a problem and continues to be a national security threat, not just for people like ambassador bolton and former secretary of state pompeo, but other officials, too, who have condemned or taken a hawkish view against iran.

the iranians have had a long list of officials that they have been at odds with here in the united states for many years, and so it is obviously something that is going to come up in national security circles as something they have to take seriously, whether or not the iranians would arrest and extradite this individual is very unlikely. the administration knows that but also telling the iranians they need to take this matter seriously, if they want, if they do not want some serious consequences to come out of these threats. >> ken declinian and vivian salama thank you. coming up, john bolton joins andrea mitchell on "andrea mitchell reports" at noon on msnbc. coming up, how the historic bill are hoping to rally voters ahead of the midterms. drivers are finally seeing some relief at the gas pump, with the price of a gallon of gas falling below $4.

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house will return tomorrow to vote on the $430 billion inflation reduction act. barring any last-minute surprises, it's widely expected to pass and head over to the president's desk. nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur has the latest. how is this vote going to go down >> reporter: it should be smooth sailing for democrats. kicks off at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. we've seen the various factions of the house democratic caucus rally and coalesce around this bill. speaker pelosi said her message to members is don't judge this bill for what it doesn't do but respect it for what it does do. they expect unanimous progressive support. it's a good bill even though it doesn't go nearly as far as they expect it to. moderate democrats find their way to yes. there are expected to be three

hours of debate divided evenly between the parties and i think democrats are bracing for some republican shenanigans, some attempts to throw san in the gears and force motions to adjourn. barring any shocking last-minute twists, this is expected to pass. you see the benefits on the screen here. a lot of ordinary americans will be wondering what's in it for me? a clean vehicles credit of up to 7500, energy-efficient home credits for energy star appliances, a lot of tax perks in there. $2,000 out-of-pocket drug cap, a big deal for seniors, $35 insulin cap and three-year extension of aca, affordable care act funding through 2025, so millions of americans don't see a sticker shock in the form of premium hikes that would have been coming as early as this fall. that's what's this n this bill and democrat also tout it as republicans suggest it's going to make inflation worse, that it's a big as they call it tax and spending spree.

>> john, we know the house doesn't have a lot of wiggle room here and things can quickly go awry. any reason to think we could see a last-second hiccup? >> not right now. i mean, i talked to democratic leadership this morning. they think everything's on line. there may be one to two votes, they can lose up to four votes but right now they checked with their members, they feel god about it. there's a funeral today for congresswoman jackie worleski who was killed but they feel good and spoken to members. i don't see any members. sahil mentioned there may be procedural hiccups, republicans may try to offer motions to adjourn, anything to try to disrupt the flow, but democrats have the majority. they feel good about where they are after 18 months of working on this legislation, they've got

something out of it, so i think it's going to pass. i don't think they'll have any major problems. >> that said, let's talk about messaging that sahil touched on, because we have republicans who are obviously slamming this saying it won't help with inflation. how are democrats planning to get on the road to talk to their constituents about this? >> the white house is going to send president biden out there, they're going to send vice president kamala harris. they're going to send transportation secretary buttigieg, they're going to send everyone they've got because this is, we're less than 90 days from election day and this is the inflation reduction act. in the short term, this is not going to help on inflation. it's not going to help before election day but their position is this, this is a long-term going to help on energy costs and going to help on medical costs especially and those are two major drivers of inflation. sahil mentioned a $2,000 cap for millions of medicare enrollees, that's a big deal and a $35 per

month cap on insulin for medicare enrollees. that's what millions are americans are affected. it will take a while to set up but in the long run, their health care costs are going to be lower and with tax credits for renewables and other energy sources in the long run, this should help lower energy costs but it's not going to help before election day, which is really where the republicans are hammering them. there's not anything that helps this bill, in this bill to help americans who are paying higher costs for grocery, rent and food especially. sahil and john, thank you so much for laying that out for us. appreciate it. there is a bright spot today for americans who are feeling the pain of inflation. for the first time since march, the national average of gas has dipped below $4 a gallon. we're talking $3.99, folks, according to aaa but of course

prices are high every, where the reality hitting the grocery store to your local coffee shop. the average cup of joe is now more than a gallon of gas, more than four bucks. sam brock is live from a coffee shop in miami with more. sam, i don't think we're talking about a flat white or cortada, we're talking about brewed coffee. >> reporter: exactly or a coolat an. i told you a couple months ago coffee would be more expensive than gas, you would say i'm crazy. the average for a regular coffee now is above $4, for a specialty cup it's above $5. you extrapolate that over the course of a week $30 one cup per day. many of us have a lot more than that and comes as americans are adjusting to this new paradigm of what they're willing to spend money on. this becoming a very expensive

habit. whether you like it hot, iced or even frozen, enjoying a cup of coffee is how millions of americans start their day. but even though so many have a whole lot of love for the bean, it's becoming increasingly costly to get that morning caffeine rush. >> the price of everything is going up, but i normally drink coffee at home, unless special occasions. >> reporter: in north dallas, brittany willis is a franchise owner of a pj's coffee of new orleans. she says everything from cooking oil to cups now costs more, pushing coffee prices up, too. >> inflation is really challenging. i've been hesitant to increase my prices but you get to a point as a business owner you have to say am i looking to sustain and survive so i can continue to offer this product? >> reporter: the national coffee association reports about two-thirds of americans drink a cup of joe every day, the highest figure in decades. but many average joes do appear to be adjusting to new

circumstances. >> coffee now is not something every day going out. it's more of a treat. >> reporter: here's why. it's now more than $4 for a regular coffee, 9% higher than this time last year, for a specialty cup, that's more than $5, up 7% according to industry data, which means trouble's brewing for budgets, necessities like food and gasoline have already eaten into discretionary spending. starbucks ceo howard schultz jolting investors in june. >> it's hard to be optimistic unless there is a plan to get inflation under control. >> reporter: while the inflation rate is slowing, slightly, high prices are still a major issue for everyday consumers. the cost of food at home up 1.3% in july, while coffee nearly tripled that figure in the same month. businesses like brittany's hoping high prices don't grind away demand. >> coffee as a whole continues to grow and we're seeing sales increases as a result. what's better than a warm or

cold cup of coffee? >> reporter: a lot of people, lindsey, may be thinking i won't go out to the coffee shop. i'll have coffee at home. 7% to 9% increase for these coffees but what about instant coffees, keurig cups, so many people have at home they're up 17% at home coffee in general up 20% so basically double the increases that we've seen here. so now you're learning at this point in time you are not latte to the game, soak it all in, let that sort of brew and per clat percolate. i'll stop with the coffee puns. i had no idea, i think people might be surprised. >> save us from the puns, sam, thank you. it's a bummer. it's a treat for people especially at a time when you might be doing a staycation instead of going on vacation. it's a little pick-me-up, but all right, sam, thanks so much. >> reporter: thanks, appreciate it. taking on a heckler and giving a passion nate response on gun violence. beto o'rourke going viral with a

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medical contributor. dr. hilton, do you have the same concerns as a company or do you think this is potentially about their bottom line? >> right, you know, i think in this instance, it could potentially be about the bottom line and i say that with some reservations, knowing there are steps in tasks that we have to prove to understand if it's safe and efficacious for certain disease processes. however, certain times call for certain measures and at this point, we're seeing an exponential growth in the number of cases in the united states alone, with over 1,391 cases reported yesterday for monkeypox. we have an incubation time of weeks before you start to see the signs and symptoms of infection. that means we're seeing the very tip of the iceberg when it comes down to this outbreak and we need to act now and not later and that's unfortunately what we have to do to get that data and to see if it's intradermal versus intramuscular. >> this method leaves little

room for error and goes on to say people bled or been bruised, needles too deep or shallow. i asked xavier becerra about this yesterday during this hour. he said it's simply about education and outreach to providers. do you have concerns over the implementation of this? >> right and bruising, the comparison of bruising to infections of monkeypox i think we can agree as a public that if i have a bruise because of this intradermal i'll accept that if it means i don't get monkeypox and spread it to my neighbors. at this point we have a decrease in supply of monkeypox vaccines, not only just manufacturing it but it takes weeks to actually bottle this and ship it, in fact, the majority of americans should not expect to be vaccinated against monkeypox until 2023. that's the lag and i need the american public to understand that, that we have to do other preventative measures to mitigate the spread of this, just like what we're talking about, with covid-19 in march of

2020. >> doctor, it's mind-boggling. there are people who want the vaccine today. you say it will take until 2023, you talk about bolting. politico citing a senior administration's report it could take three to six months for new companies to bottle doses of the vaccine but to your point, the u.s. is reporting hundreds more cases every day. so is this too late? >> right, we're certainly behind the eight ball and again, with this outbreak, it's like we see with the covid-19 pandemic, we have to understand it's not just about what we need in the united states of america. fortunately, monkeypox is not indemic to our area. there are areas within the country around this globe that have been suffering from this disease process for generations, so we can't get greedy in our capitalist society and say we want to hoard all the vaccines solely for us. it has become the strategy when we're thinking about health and public health that we have to

think globally and how do we stop the spread of this virus from country to country to country and not solely from street to street. because we stop it at that level, and that's how we truly can help the most vulnerable persons which help all of us to be more safe. >> the company that produces this vaccine is reviewing doses that the u.s. has already purchased but are past their shelf life to see if they remain viable right now during this current outbreak. is that a good strategy? >> at this point, again, when we have exponential growth, there are certain check boxes we say this has an expiration date and we need to discard it. don't discard it. get it into the arms of persons. if you put this available within any community, you have a line that's what happened around the building and so my question is, are we repeating the same exact mistakes that we made back in december of 2020, when i received my covid vaccine, are we doing the same thing with our messaging, saying that it's only old and sick people that get covid? now we're saying it's primarily just the homosexual community?

we know that simply is not true, that anyone can get this virus and then also making the same mistakes of where we're not making the vaccines readily available where the general public knows exactly where to go to get vaccinated. so we need to do education. we need to do outreach and mobilization of these therapeutics. >> dr. ebony hilton, thanks for your time. >> thank you. flash flooding inundated the washington, d.c., metro area wednesday evening. storms dumped more than four inches of rain on our nation's capitol in less than two hours feet of water overwhelmed cars and left a lot of drivers stranded on highways. later today a judge will hear final arguments into whether scott peterson deserves a new trial. they follow testimony into whether a juror was biased and lied in order to get on the jury nearly 20 years ago. peterson was found guilty back in 2004 of the murder of his wife laci and their unborn son.

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a fiery moment on the campaign trail for the governor. beto o'rourke responded. >> take that weapon that was designed for use on the battlefield in vietnam to penetrate an enemy soldier's helmet up against kids at five feet. it may be funny to you mother [ bleep ] but it's not funny to me. >> how is this going over in texas? how is beto responding? >> there are people who understand his frustration and his anger during that moment.

curbing mash shootings is an issue he has been pounding for a long time. even since 2019. the el paso shooting. of course, you have what happened may 24th in uvalde. he has taken criticism in the past for using foul language at rallies. this is different. this was in response to someone laughing when he was talking about the uvalde massacre. i think people understand his anger and his frustration and are with him on this to a large degree. you can tell because you don't see a whole lot of his rivals, including texas governor greg abbott, criticizing him for it, at least not now. >> you have covered a lot of events before for o'rourke. has anything like this ever happened? >> not to this degree. hecklers are at every o'rourke event. i was with him yesterday.

there was a heckler there heckling him about the border. he exchanged with that heckler. this struck a cord with him. this involved a passion and anger you usually don't see at his rallies, even though there are a lot of hecklers following him around texas. >> he tweeted, nothing more serious than getting justice for the families in uvalde and stopping this from happening again. we saw o'rourke confront governor abbott face to face earlier this year during a press conference after the uvalde shooting. do these moments appear to be emerging as part of a broader strategy here? >> well, you know, a broader strategy would suggest that maybe they are staged or something like that. i don't want to suggest that. i think whenever he has the

chance to show his passion and emotion about that issue, he is going to do it. if that means confronting abbott at a news conference and taking heat for that, you will see him do that. if it means confronting a heckler with colorful language, i don't think he has been a problem doing that. he wants to portray to voters that this is an important issue and that he is frustrated that there's no action on it. so i wouldn't be surprised if you saw more -- if you see more exchanges like this in the future. maybe not dropping the f bomb but certainly passionate exchanges with his critics. >> what have you heard from voters about his passionate approach? >> voters -- i'm sorry, what did you say? >> i said, what are you hearing from voters about his approach and his passion at these events?

>> yes. for his supporters, they love it. they want to see more of it. but there are a lot of people in texas who don't support beto. this is still a conservative state. he has to win some folks over. he does take criticism from conservatives who criticize him for these things. they view it as more of a stunt than emotion. it cuts both ways. at the end of the day, he has to fire up his base. he has to get people to the polls in order to match the conservatives who are going to turn out for abbott. so i think he will take that tradeoff, because what his supporters want is a fired up beto o'rourke to confront greg abbott and show some toughness that he didn't show, critics say, in his 2018 race against ted cruz, that senate race. they want him to be tougher than

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♪♪ good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington where there are reports about new pressure on attorney general merrick garland from inside the justice department to explain the fbi's search of former president trump's florida home. that pressure a response to the push by some republican lawmakers and far right extremist forums to misrepresent that search, a search mr. trump used as part of his justification for invoking his fifth amendment rights and