♪♪ hello, everyone, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we are tracking breaking news out of ohio. that's where, just a short time ago, police got into a shoot-out with a man who broke into an fbi field office in cincinnati and fired a nail gun at law enforcement inside. i want to bring in nbc's justice

and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, ken, what do we know? >> reporter: chris, this happened at 9 a 15 a.m., two law enforcement officials told nbc news that a man entered an fbi field office in cincinnati, ohio, and fired a nail gun at law enforcement personnel. the man then held up an ar-15 style rifle before fleeing in a vehicle, we're today, and then a pursuit occurred on highway 71. the suspect then got out of the car. and there is a standoff. the fbi, cincinnati field office, confirmed in a statement that an armed subject had attempted to breach their visitor screening facility. they said they activated an alarm. and armed special agents responded and that the subject fled northbound on interstate 71. the clinton county emergency management agency said recently in a facebook post that the

suspect has not yet taken into custody but is contained. they say he's wearing a gray shirt and body armor and is armed. chris, obviously, this comes amid a big uptick in threats amid fbi and facilities in the vacate of this search of mar-a-lago at the president's compound. we do not know if there's any connection. we don't know the motive or the identity of this suspect at the moment, chris. >> yeah. you're right, this does come a day after fbi director chris wray reacted to all the threats being made online against his agents. let me play a little of that. >> any threats made against law enforcement including anyone in the fbi are dangerous. law enforcement, and no matter who they're up set with. >> obviously, we want to make very clear, ken, we don't know if these things are connected. what can you tell us about the threats facing the fbi in the

days since that search at mar-a-lago? we know there's been a lot of online activity. >> that's right, chris. i spoke to a former dhs and fbi official named bryan murray who is now with an open source intelligence firm. and his firm is tracking what he said was a huge increase in recent days, specific threats of violence again fbi personnel and field offices. he said he's never seen anything like this in his career as an intelligence agent and has passed this information on to the fbi. it's just a really troubling and unusual situation. the fbi is normally an agency held in high regard, polls would show you, across the nation. folks have never seen this level of threats before, chris. >> all right. we're going to continue to watch this story as it unfolds. you're going to stick around with us, ken, because all of this is happening the swirl of suspension and anger on trump

world brings a question did someone flip on the former president. "the wall street journal" says the search at mar-a-lago comes two months after someone familiar with the stored papers told investigators there may still be more classified documents at the private club. that's after the national archives retrieved 15 boxes earlier this year. the journal sources people familiar with the matter has not been confirmed by nbc news. but now, the question going around trump world is who is that someone? it didn't take long for the lincoln project to make an ad asking that very question. >> was it jared? i i ivanka -- mark meadows? all talking to the committee or the grand jury. maybe it was someone closer. someone he trusted.

now, he's the first president to have his home raided by the fbi. that's bad, donald. and there's no one you can trust. >> no one. >> no one at all. >> there never was. >> this comes amid a deep. ing level of mistrust among allies among the fbi and the motel motive overall. nbc news has learned even multiple officials within the justice department believe attorney general merrick garland should make a public statement explaining why that search was necessary. but so far, no sign that's going to happen. ken dilanian is still with me, anna palmer is founder and ceo of punchbowl news and andrew weissman, former fbi council, former member of the mueller probe and msnbc legal analyst. if i can, andrew, we're going on to the story, but i want to go back to the breaking news that ken talked about, and just get

your reaction to the fact you have someone trying to breach an fbi office. and now there appears to be a standoff. >> well, with the caveat, as ken said, we don't know who this individual is or his motive, this is precisely the risk that occurs when you have irresponsible people, vilifying the department of justice and the fbi, with no evidence. and the hypocrisy that is coming from republicans who lived through january 6, where they know exactly the kind of violence that can happen when people are incited with no evidence, to me, whether or not this is a direct correlation to what happened with the search warrant, or just a risk of what could happen, it means that the people who are fomenting distrust with no evidence need to calm down. and not use the kind of rhetoric that the former president was

using on january 6. or this is precivil the kind of violence there that will occur, and that no one should want. >> yeah, suggesting things, anna, like maybe things were planted or even if they're not planted, they're fabricating evidence. to today's news, the question everyone wants answered is who can be close to the former president to know documents were withheld. and where they were, former chief of staff mick mulvaney was asked. >> really close, i didn't even know there was a safe at mar-a-lago. and i was the chief of staff for 15 months. this would be someone handling things day to day, knew where the documents were. somebody very close to the president. my guess is there's probably six or eight people that had that information. >> anna, as we're mentioning, there's a lot of fuss around this, not just in trump world but political circles in general. what do we know about that?

and what about the reaction from trump world, does it tell us anything? >> well, certainly, when donald trump, over the last week, they were coming outside of his administration all the time, kind of finger pointing. but we see that also through the january 6th committee, with people coming forward that were very close to the president. had a lot of information when it came to cassidy hutchinson, in terms of what was happening on january 6th. it's just another manifestation of that, right, when you have potentially somebody who has very inside access and scrutiny in trump's world, clearly at times a pr war, when it comes to what's happening right now, where you see, really, republicans fall in line behind the language that the former president is using, witch hunt, really trying to foment it with saying, hey, maybe the fbi doesn't know what they're doing. they're trying, they're going to fabricate evidence, things like that. this has been part of the playbook that the former president and a lot of his

allies have used as they left the white house. and through a lot of these different investigations. >> and there's a lot of reporting. it had to be someone on the inside. i mean, it's hard to imagine that a search like this would take place on second hand information. almost had to be someone who absolutely knew where it was and what was in there? >> but i would pump the brakes, chris, on the idea if has to be a trump insider. from what we're learning these documents were stored inside a room in mar-a-lago with golf clubs and other equipment. it could be as simple as a member of the household staff that saw classified markings on some documents. it could be a member of trump's legal team that made an off hand comment to fbi agents down there in may and june, trying to negotiate the documents. we just don't know, it's very salacious to assume -- >> but my point was, it would have had to be somebody, i would think who had actually personally seen it witnessed it.

they weren't going take second or third-hand information and base a search on that? >> i think you're absolutely right about that, chris. that's exactly the information they need to show the judge to show probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of that crime is present inside mar-a-lago. you need to show that to a judge. >> there's so many people, andrew in trumble's orbit, and frankly, moderate members of the congress, and now there are reporting that members of doj, because of the sensitive nature of this, because there's so much online activity or anger that really should be a press conference or something said by merrick garland. do you think this might force his hand? >> i don't think so. you know, the department of justice rules are not ironclad, but pretty ironclad. and, you know, as i've heard, senior people say at the justice department, it's in tough times where you really have to make

sure you scrupulously obey those rules. and i also think you're looking at the wrong people. yes, merrick garland could give a press conference, no one is going to be entirely satisfied what he says, either he says too much or too little. the president of the united states knows exactly what happened. the real issue why is he not explaining why does he have classified information. did he lie to the justice department, say he returned everything. and if he has classified information, why did he? so i really think the onus should be on -- and it's not too much for the american people to ask why is the president -- the former president of the united states not explaining himself. with rather than merrick garland explaining he complied with the law. >> why, if he had documents, especially if he had classified documents, andrew, why? and why would he keep them?

we know that 15 boxes were already taken months ago, right? >> yeah. absolutely. and it appears that he took tons of documents, many of which had to be returned. it looks like he may have been subject to a grand jury subpoena in june. and, you know, my speculation is that the reason that the department of justice had to resort to a search warrant is they did get inside information that even after the return of the 15 boxes and the grand jury subpoena, that there's still extant at mar-a-lago classified documents. and the question for the former president is why did he take the documents and why didn't they return them? what was his plan? what was he planning to do with them? >> and, emma, it does seem that things were going along. it does seem that trump was

cooperating sometime in june or july, when "the wall street journal" reports that investigators began to suspect that they were being lied to. what do we know about the time line and interactions between investigators and trump world? >> yeah. i mean, obviously, this president had a lot of issues with handling documents even when he was in the white house. a lot of stories and reporting of him tearing up documents. and barely doing what the national archives would have hoped for for from what the law requires. or actually having documents, taking them with him from the white house, in those boxes, after he left office. and so, it does appear that this was part of a process that they were going along you know, both working together, trying to find things that the documents were lost in one of the areas that -- a lot of concern that the

documents weren't kept in a secure space but that clearly in the last 72 hours plus has disintegrated, when you see trump and his lawyers trying to go into the office. right now, we're not hearing anything from the department of justice or the fbi, that leaves a void in terms of understanding exactly what happened here. you don't see trump talking about what did they take, what did they want. he's just trying to actually put on a show when it comes to what are the actual details. >> ken dilanian and andrew weissman, thank you both. anna, you're going to stick around with us. here's the news a lot of have been waiting all summer to hear. gas prices are finally below four bucks a gallon. compared to where we were last march that translates into an extra 10 or $15 every time you fill up aaa says the cost is

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right now, the cost of the covid pandemic, social, economic and educational are coming into sharp focus with big moves by the federal government and at the local level. all of it aimed at mitigating those costs moving forward. today, the cdc is expected to

reveal changes to covid rules that are designed to keep kids in the classroom and employees at work. reportedly, officials are considering easing social distancing and testing requirements. it would be a dramatic shift for the federal government and based on the fact that the u.s. has pretty robust immunity right now, and we know a lot more about the virus and how to treat it. the shift can't come soon enough for schools about to reopen in much of the country with many of them facing critical teacher shortages. exhausted and frustrated teachers are so fed up, a new teacher survey in texas finds 7 in every 10 teachers thinks about quitting. that shortage is so acute in texas some districts are four day a week school. to break this down, anna palmer is here. anne rimoin, and olivia arena.

dr. rimoin, what do scientists say, is this the time to roll back restrictions? >> the science says when we have testing, when we have masking, when we have restrictions isn't place, we do reduce the number of cases of covid in classrooms. so, i think we're in a situation now when we're dealing with what kind of -- kind of the general feeling in pandemic fatigue is dictaing versus what the science is saying. >> are you concerned at all that the changes might be considered for political, rather than medical reasons, because that's always the question that gets raised, right? >> right. i think it's a real balance at this point, we know from the data, that if you have masks in place in schools you're going to reduce the number of cases which means there are going to be fewer sick days for teachers,

fewer sick days for students. and that's important. same is situational awareness, people know what the status is, they can stay home, isolate from others, you can reduce transmission. the key here is there's a cost for everything. we're deciding now as a society, what costs are we willing to pay then. >> you know, anne, i'm speaking of the politics of this, on the surface, the u.s. government under joe biden and texas are about as part apart as you can get early on in had the pandemic. now, the overarching theme of rolling back restriction sz trending in the same direction. does this mean that the covid fight over covid that was so vivid and quite frankly pretty nasty is over now? >> sorry. >> anna. >> i do think that has come into sharp focus as we are coming closer and closer to the midterm election. and it's look at democrats and their concerns going into that

midterm. it is this issue of how long they wore masks, how long are people forced to stay home. the fact that our kids are going back to school. that parents are going back to work right now, there is a real, i think, fear that if these restrictions aren't rolled back or if there's not a loosening that democrats could pay the price at the ballot box. >> so zierleina, i don't need to tell you that they center of the fight, it was exhausting. first as parents do go back to school, do teachers support the easing by the cdc? >> educators believe in the science. we're definitely going to ensure that we're continuing to support the science. and make sure we are supporting whatever is needed in our communities. the fight that we had here in texas was that the governor was saying no masks at all.

and we know that texas is big. and there were many different things happening in many different communities. what we're going to continue to ask for that communities have the control to be able to say what is needed to keep everyone safe. so if that's going to be a fight, that's going to be a fight. we will follow cdc guidelines but we want to ensure to that our local school districts that have been elected to do the best for our students have the power to do that. >> big picture, how important is it to get the kids back in the classroom? to give them a sense of normalcy, to give them a routine back? >> oh, it's highly critical. we want to ensure that our students are able to learn, are able to understand that we have been through a pandemic. we are still in a pandemic. that we are a resource of educators, that we will be here for them. to make sure that they get the support that they need. that they can ask us questions. you know, we're not just fighting a pandemic, but we're also fighting political attacks

that are hindering an honest education. we want to make sure our children get everything out of education that they need to become successful adults in our society. and we will continue to fight for that. but it shouldn't be a fight for educators to do what's best for our students. that's the critical problem here in texas. >> yeah, the fight is exactly what we're talk about. how exhausting it is for teachers in your organization, the texas state organization released that of texas teachers, 7 out of 10 say they're thinking about quitting. this isn't just affecting texas. the bureau of labor statistics says nationwide there were 280,000 public school teachers than there were before the pandemic. what needs to be done to address this? >> i know as an educator, we need the support of sour elected officials. we need to make sure we're

paying our teachers in texas. we make a little less than 7,000 than the national average. texas is number one in everything, we need to be number one in educators and students. when we value our public schools, we want to make sure that our kids get the best. ensuring that we have our teacher voice in all of the policies that have to do will education, it's a no-brainer. >> i'm sorry, i need to interrupt. i'm sorry. thank you so much, all of you, but we're going to a briefing on the cincinnati fbi office. -- on interstate 71, near the rest area, northbound rest area on westbound 71, in northern county, one of our troopers saw the vehicle, initiated a traffic stop at 9:00 this morning, and a pursuit pursued after that.

throughout the pursuit that continued northbound on 71. the suspect vehicle did fire shots during that pursuit. the vehicle then exited on state route 73. and went east on state route 73. they traveled east to smith road. they went north on smith road. almost over top of interstate 71 where the vehicle came to a stop. once the vehicle came to a stop, gunfire was exchanged between officers on the scene and the suspect. at this time, no officers have been injured as a result of this. the scene is still active, and there's still an active situation occurring at this time. so, we will be back with further details in a little while. to keep you updated as to what's transpiring here. [ inaudible question ]. >> yes, so the situation is contained to a certain area.

there is a perimeter set up within that area. so, nothing outside of that area right now, there's no public access outside of that area. [ inaudible question ]? >> i'm sorry -- within a certain area, obviously, within a certain perimeter area, we would want people to be locked down in that area to ensure their safety. [ inaudible question ]. >> as of right now, i can't positively identify the suspect or his injury, if there are any at this time. but again, once we come back, we will fill you guys in on details. as of right now, those are all the questions, i'm going to take. we'll fill you guys in a little bit as soon as i get more information. [ inaudible question ]. >> i can't comment on anything like that. >> ohio state, ohio patrol

official, and obviously, he talked a little bit about the fact that there was a pursuit on the highway in ohio. but this is the story we told you about at the top of the hour. an fbi office in cincinnati, ohio, someone tried to come in, breach the security there. fired a nail gun. also showed something like an ar-15 style rifle. and again there was that pursuit. currently, we just heard confirmed but we reported earlier there's a standoff. i have ken dilanian and andrew weissman back with me. ken, obviously, the key thing i takeaway from that is they're saying this is a contained situation, no one is in danger? >> that's right, chris, and also that they've exchanged gunfire with this suspect is so perhaps police officers remain in danger and it's a very delicate situation. just to recap, as you said, you know, we started reporting earlier that two law enforcement sources briefed on the matter were telling nbc news that this

man entered the fbi field office around 9:15 a.m. in cincinnati. and fired a nail gun at personnel. he then held up an ar-15 style rifle before fleeing in a vehicle. we later got an update that he was wearing body armor. and now we know there is a police standoff and gunfire has been exchanged. again, the police have not identified this suspect, and we don't know, of course, whether this is related to the major uptick in threats we're seeing against fbi personnel and fbi facilities in the quake of the fbi search at former president trump's compound in mar-a-lago. >> andrew, what does security generally look like at fbi offices? >> well, you can be sure in light of what happened this morning, that chris wray and merrick garland are upping the security at all fbi field offices. there are field offices in every single state in this country.

and actually, many field offices in the larger states, all of those are going to be taking extra precautions. i would also think that for senior members of the administration, that the department of justice, the fbi, there's going to need to be added security. and the secret service is going to be working on overtime, because, you know, people are going to be very concerned about copycat, you know, people, looking at this and getting bad ideas in their head. so, this is just going to -- behind the scenes, i think there's probably major activity going on, to be sure that nothing like this results in any deadly occurrences happening. >> assuming they know who this person is, we don't know if they have an i.d. right now, andrew. they could be on social media profile. they could already be doing an investigation to see what happened here, right? >> oh, absolutely, they can see

whether this is somebody who is part of a domestic terrorism group or someone who is a lone wolf. someone who just had a bad idea and acted on his own. but you can be sure that the bureau's sources are all being questioned right now. to see what they know about not just this occurrence, but any plots or plans, to harm anybody in the administration. >> still, again, just to summarize, no public risk but there is still a standoff with the suspect who fired a nail gun and brandished an ar-15 at the cincinnati field office in ohio today. we'll keep you posted as we get more information. ken and andrew, thank you for that. one of the four officers connected to breonna taylor's killing is fighting today to keep his job. why has it taken so long to get to this point and could his

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of the four officers facing federal indictments sergeant kyle meany should be able to keep his job. it all started when the louisville police sent him this letter predetermination saying his actions, quote, have brought actions discredit upon yourself and the department. meany and his representatives met with the chief earlier this morning to provide additional information or mitigating factors as is standard policy. he's the last of the four to not resign or be fired from the department. i want to bring in mac claxton, nypd detective and alliance. david is a civil attorney. mark what do you make of the louisville police, how they handled it, they waited 881 days to send this letter. >> that's consistent with

conduct with agencies across the nation dealing with these situations of employment of police officers. you have to realize that police officers, in general, law enforcement, has a significant political influence. and that plays heavily into some of the decisions that these departments eventually make. in addition to that, there are issues of representation, labor and negotiating representatives being involved and possibly filing lawsuits to prevent a block of police officers being terminated. even those terminated with cause. and then we also have to just realize that there are significant concerns throughout the communities, people believe oftentimes, if you decide to punish, penalize, terminate a police officer that perhaps the quality of police services that the community gets will be negatively impacted. and that's also a concern,

moving forward. but i think thus far, it's been pretty consistent. they wait until criminal charges have been established and proven. and then go for the termination, based on criminal conviction. >> yeah, as marq said, david, this isn't over. for example, meany can appeal his termination to the board, although they rarely overturn firing decisions. what is to happen next. what do you think the next legal step might be? >> chris, the next legal step is he's going to fight it but his individual role in this case, in terms of his firing or attempted firing is a small comparison to everything else that's going on here. you have to understand, the federal case is simple, they're saying, look, y'all lied and your lies got breonna taylor killed, period. that really should be enough to terminate a police officer. there are three additional reasons in this case, he's not just a police officer, he's the officer that supervised the unit that went out and got warrants

for space investigations. i grew up in a military family, we used to say surrogates run the military, that's true for police departments. these problems that he represents were systemic in that department. in addition to that now, every case that he's connected to, you have to disclose his wrongdoing to lawyers working on those cases even though he's not been convicted because he's accused of dishonesty. it's always relevant in court whether or not someone is telling the truth. the last thing you have to keep in mind, the feds are knocking on the door of lmpd, lmpd is currently under investigation by federal authorities and they'll look closely. >> marq claxton and david henderson, thank you very much. "the new york times" now reporting that a subpoena was issued this spring to trump's

team. in other words, they wanted some of that information that they believe was not included in 15 boxes that they had already taken. let me go back to andrew weissman. so, andrew, the suggestion, obviously, is that the search warrant was last resort, they tried other methods, including subpoena to get this information? >> absolutely. when the story broke, one of the things i talked about and others as well is that merrick garland had to have said why do we have to use a search warrant because there are other ways to get information which is voluntarily have something turned over. a subpoena. so there had to be a very good answer why you would take this step. you go by search warrant when you cannot trust that the person served in the subpoena will actually comply with it. so it makes sense that we're learning they did try that route. and they probably have -- that insider that we're hearing about probably told them the story

that they're hearing that everything was complied with and turned over was not true and particularly if this is sensitive national security information that still was extant in mar-a-lago. it really meant that the attorney general, to protect american national security, had no other choice. and, remember, the former president knows the answer to all of this. he knows what he had on premises. and he can answer any day of the week, why he took that information. and why he didn't return it. >> yeah. let me read to you a paragraph from "the new york times" story. they do say the existence of the subpoena is being used by allies of mr. trump, to make the case the former president and his team were cooperating with the justice department in identifying and returning the documents in question. and that the search was unjustified. and they talk about actually, the justice department officials, actually going to mar-a-lago, looking at that area in the basement where apparently

some of those documents were. taking a meeting or having a conversation. does that necessarily equal cooperation? >> well, look, there's no question, there's more that we need to know, we need to know what happened. at that meeting in june. and what the department of justice saw, what the conversations were. we don't know that. but, let's just get real. if the former president was complying with the subpoena and actually turned everything over, there would have been no need to engage in a search warrant and have all of the publicity and downside of doing this. so, clearly, there's evidence that would set out two the judge that led the department of justice to believe that there was noncompliance. not compliant with the subpoena. so, you know, there's more to the story. but i'd say that what we're

hearing from the trump allies in "the new york times" makes absolutely no sense. >> andrew weissman, thank you so much. thank you for coming back on for us on short notice to help us understand the new story, we appreciate it. a hunt for nonexistent ballot mules. why you may see conspiracy theorists staked out at your local ballot drop box this election season. we'll explain it all, after this. , after this rating rush... ...zapping millions of germs in seconds. for that one-of-a-kind whoa... ...which leaves you feeling... ahhhhhhh listerine. feel the whoa! age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein.

in at least ten states right now the rampant and probably false claims of widespread election fraud are galvanizing conspiracy theorists who are staking out drop boxes or planning to, claiming to protect the vote. they're organizing online, and "the new york times" reports some online commenters discuss bringing ar-15s and other firearms and have voiced their desire to make citizens arrest

and log license plate. that has set off concerns among election officials and law enforcement that what supporters describe as legal patriotic oversight could slip into illegal voting registration, privacy issues and confrontations. the co-author of that article joins me now. such a great read, tiffany. it describes a hunt for what conspiracy theorists call ballot mules. it's a concept in the 2020 election. what exactly are ballot mules? >> so frankly, it's unfathomed by every election expert i talked to that the security ballot boxes are falling victim to people who are stuffing them with dozens and hundreds of fake ballots or otherwise tampering with them. >> you profile an organizer of a meeting in arizona met on line

as captain k., this is espousing fraud conspiracy theories. and he told you in order to control a process that he says is right for cheating there's no way other than monitoring. in fact, they have monitoring at polling stations when you go up. he said, i don't see the difference. this is very different, isn't it? >> as you mentioned, my colleague stewart thompson, his belief is that many people believe, that ballot boxes are ripe for fraud. frankly, there's no evidence to that. there's no evidence there is widespread fraud at these ballot boxes or really, anywhere else at the election process. some of the election experts i spoke to have said they have never heard of any instance of these monitoring events capturing any sort of fraud. it just doesn't exist. but based on kind of random information on social platforms

that was spread through the documentary film "2000 mules" people believe it's their prerogative as patriots to survey these sorts of sites where there's very little chance they're going to find anything. >> one of the things that was so vivid in the january 6th hearings, and we had actually heard some of it before, even in press conferences were the stories of election officials after 2020, about the harassment they, not just they, but family members received about the threats that were coming in. in the folks that you talked to in an official capacity, how concerned are they about what might happen as a result of these folks potentially gathering information about people who are legitimately going and dropping their ballots? >> well, one of the experts i spoke to described this as a recipe for disaster. it could very easily tip over into privacy violations into harassment, into voter intimidation. i mean, you have people on,

frankly, gab or true social or twitter talking about how they want to create logs of photos of people's license plates, their faces. ironically enough, some of these people are posting these things while their own posting these t as their own faces are covered on video like rumble. these people are saying that they want to bring their ar-15s. they're saying they want to approach people to question why they're putting in more than one ballot where, frankly, in certain states it's perfectly legal. this is why election experts are concerned because there aren't very many checks on how this process could go. >> tiffany, it is a really well researched and beautifully written story. thank you for coming on.

i appreciate it. >> voters want their voices to be heard on abortion. a new poll reveals 70% of americans want to vote on abortion on a state ballot regardless of party affiliation. 50 would vote to legalize it, 28 say they would vote against legalization. >> what we now know about that deadly home explosion in indiana that killed three and damaged dozens of other homes and how witnesses are now reacting. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

we've got the devastating video showing a home literally exploding in evansville, indiana. at least three people are dead but the cause is still unknown. here's the security footage capturing the enormous blast that damaged at least 39 other homes in the area. one resident describing just what it felt like from inside

his own house. it felt like a big tractor trailer semi hit the building. it was that big explosion and it shook inside the building. >> i bring in jesse kirsch. so many questions. including for starters do officials think there could be other victims and is there evidence beginning to point to cause? >> reporter: good news, chris, we do not expect there to be more victims. there was a time when officials could only get so close because some of the structures were deemed dangerous enough they didn't even want firefighters in there to rescue people. this morning they were able to stabilize the structures and they have not found any more people. they weren't particularly looking for individuals. that is to say that relief comes

with jaw dropping images. we're down the block from where this explosion happened yesterday. some of the windows in that building are blown out. the man who owns the business right behind us here said it felt like there was a track slamming into his building and employees at a business two miles from here tell us that it felt like -- they felt the explosion all the way there. so that's what we're looking at in terms of the scope of all this. we don't yet know what caused this. the fire department says they were testing for potential natural gas leaks here. they did not have a positive response to that so that's good news obviously, but they haven't ruled that out as the cause yet either. and the atf is here in supporting local officials as they investigate what exactly happened here. here's part of what the fire chief told us earlier. >> i saw a guy in the grass. but there's a lot of people who

have lost everything down here. their houses are totally gone. >> reporter: so at this point still a lot of questions, including what exactly caused this. we know three people unfortunately died, a fourth person is injured and there are 15 families we're told being supported by the red cross because they are currently displaced. to the one home that exploded, ten others are inhabitable and will have to be torn down. >> the good news is they don't believe there will be any more victims. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 eastern time right here on msnbc. but stay tuned, "katy tur reports" is next. tuned, "katy reports" is next for at least eight years. for me, the greatest benefit over the years has been that prevagen seems to help me recall things and also think more clearly. and i enthusiastically recommend prevagen.

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we have big breaking news out of of the department of justice. attorney general merrick garland will be, quote, making a statement today at 2:30, just 30 minutes from now. no details have been released on the substance of what he will say, but we do know it will be about the search of mar-a-lago. garland has been facing heated calls from republicans to reveal why the fbi obtained a search warrant for mar-a-lago and as nbc news confirmed last night a source inside d.o.j. there are even calls from within the department for garland to