thanks for watching the katie fang show, katie will be back tomorrow at 7 am eastern. velshi starts right now. velshi starts right now. hey good morning to you, it is saturday august the 13th. i'm ali velshi and we began this morning with donald trump and tire disregard for democracy. and national security of the united states, and to do that we need a short but important history lesson. going back just to february of this, year when federal agents and the national archives and records administration collected 15 boxes of documents. and they filled former president had taken with him to a tropical florida gulf resort

after he left the white house. inside of those boxes, were things like the letter that former president, barack obama left for trump when he took office. the quote love letters using the former presidents exact words, that north korean leader kim jong-un stand him. as well as documents marked classified and top secret. however that was not all of the trump that he left with. nbc news learn that somebody familiar with the documents inside of mar-a-lago told investigators that there may still be more classified documents swirled away at the golf resort. nbc news also learned not in the spraying, trump received a federal grand jury subpoena for documents at the government believing that he still had in his possession. and that we are not a part of that initial tranche of the mar-a-lago hoard. and on monday, federal agents executed a search warrant at mar-a-lago, that much you already know. the property receipt for the cash of documents and items removed from trump's property this week, revealed the

extraordinary scope of items and properly, and potentially, illegally taking from the white house when he left office. in total, here's what we, no federal agents removed 11 sets of classified documents. including three sets labeled secret, four sets labeled top secret. and three sets the side, doesn't it as confidential. some of the documents are marked highly classified, and, this cia and that sense for sensitive, compartmented information. meaning it's information not meant to be viewed outside of a secure government viewing facility. more on that in, amid mar-a-lago is not a secure government facility. it also included in the stuff that was seized with the executive grant of clemency for roger stone. several binders of photos, potential presidential, record handwritten note and information on the president of france presumably, and emmanuel macron. from the former president had an interesting relationship with characterized by extreme along an awkward handshakes.

trump is also publicly denied a report in the washington post which nbc news has not independently verified. which has among the items federal agents were searching for, or some documents in nuclear weapons. the particulars of those documents are unknown including whether that relates to u.s. nuclear weapons or somebody else's nuclear weapons. allies, or adversaries. two sources briefed on the classified documents sought in the initial subpoena tell the new york times, federal officials were prompted to search mar-a-lago because some of the material that trump took was quote particularly sensitive to national security. it is her toward until yesterday afternoon cites three criminal statutes as a legal basis for mondays raid. this was not just a fishing expedition, this was not just coming for the boxes. there are criminal statutes involved, one of which is the potential violations of the espionage act. which outlaws the unauthorized

an unlawful retention of national security and defence information that could harm the united states and or a foreign adversary. we should note that the warrant does not specifically indicate that trump is the one in fact being investigated under the espionage act. that we don't, know the we know the espionage act is involved we don't know the subject of the investigation is or the target of the investigation is. and one of his many statements on the matter, the former president said he had everything that he had, quote was not all declassified. that may be a relevant to the matter as none of the laws on that warrant deal with whether or not the information was classified. it's an important matter but that actually is not the whole ball game. joining me now is john brennan, a former director of the cia under former president barack obama and then msnbc senior national security intelligence analyst. also the author of the new york times bestselling, book undaunted. my fight against american

enemies at home and abroad, director grand and it was good to see you, again you and i spoke earlier this week when we had far less information and we do today about what was in these boxes. now we know some things, you know a bit more about what is involved. what does it make you think? volved what doewell ali, we know a lote since we last spoke. which is the amount of information that was retained at mar-a-lago, illegally. and i believe very intentionally. as he pointed out, there were multiple sets of documents that were highly classified and that dealt with the national security of the united states. and the fact that the trump group had already passed on information back to the national archives, but retain this and, again i think belies no argument that either it wasn't intentional or in fact that as they, claim they were all declassified. as you pointed, out the espionage act does not reference the classification issue because it predates the

classification system in the u.s. government. it feels with individual to retain for whatever purposes, information that could be damaging to u.s. national security if it is indeed released or it is kept outside of the national security apparatus. and so, therefore i think that it is very clear that mr. trump has a world of trouble on his hands right now. >> tell me the distinction you just made here. there is the issue of you're not supposed to be noodling around with classified documents. but in, fact what we learned yesterday is that the issue at hand here, the classified documents are secondary to the issue at hand. the idea that there is information that should not have been other outside of a compartmented facility, or soon to be in the hands of other people floating around and insecure -- >> the espionage act which is about a century old or so, it really deals with the governments ability to prevent individuals from harming u.s.

national security interests by the retention, the sharing the release of information i could be damaging to our country. and, clearly the information and these documents, and it appears as though none of these documents were marked as having been declassified. not as a part of the practice, in terms of declassifying the documents. you have to cross off the top secret or secret confidential label on it. but these documents clearly contained information that if released, would do damage to u.s. national security interest. in fact that's the reason we classify things to try and describe the extent of the damage that would be done if released. so for example, a top secret information and if it is released according to the definitions, would cause grave damage to u.s. national security interest. so again the fact that these documents were kept at mar-a-lago, really does i think has great concern to the government right now. and not only are they trying to

hold individuals to account, for this but also retrieving these documents because the access to them at mar-a-lago is something i think, a deep concern right now to the fbi and intelligence community. and so the damage assessment needs to be done, the termination about who actually had access to these documents. who conspired to infect illegally retain them? the usual things that they are first and foremost on the government's mind right now. >> who conducts? that that cannot be done in the public, i that will not happen in the press. we're not gonna get those documents most likely to find out what they were. who holds them to account and determines, whether there was any damage done and whether or not there was any damage on whether there should be sanctions for breaking these important rules and norms? >> well the fbi will be the lead investigative agency in this. because they are probably even looking at whether the fingerprints on these documents or these boxes and files. but they will be the lead investigative agency on behalf of the u.s. government.

they will work very closely with the intelligence community agencies. whether be cia, and i say or others. they determine exactly what the potential damage might be but then it will be up to the department of justice to take a look at the information that's available and determine whether or not crimes have been committed. whether not there was some conspiracy to conceal these documents, the law to the government about the presidents of these documents at mar-a-lago. and so this is going to be i think a full,, for a court effort on the part of the u.s. government agencies to again reduce and limit the amount of damage that may have been done to prevent any further leakage or hemorrhaging of information. and then to hold accountable those individuals who i think for a blatantly and brazenly violated the rules of the u.s. government when it comes to the national security. >> john, bright and good to see you again thank you for joining us throughout the week to help us get greater clarity on this important situation. john brennan a former director of the cia and msnbc, senior

national security and intelligence analyst. national security an intelligence analyst -- more documents remained at mar-a-lago is probably among quote 6 to 8 people who are loyal to trump. they added the individual even knew of the existence and location of a secret safe in which federal agents were able to open. , we talk to me now is michael cohen, a former personal attorney and fixer for donald trump. the host of the man, podcast, the author of the upcoming book revenge. how donald trump weaponize the u.s. department of justice against his critics. which is ironic michael, i don't know if this part of the story will make it into you. the department of justice, coming after donald trump. mike, look at this year, first of all talk to me about the safe. did you know about this particular safe? >> so the answer is no, i've never known about the safe. i know he had one in new york,

i knew that there were locked cabinets which are based in the control of not calamari. i've never actually seen any of these sort of saves. one thing i as i was listening to your earlier segment, we think everybody keeps talking about is why would these documents, when did these documents were located? meaning at mar-a-lago, i think the real question and needs to be looked at here is why were they being kept at mar-a-lago? there is no doubt in my mind that donald had to have known, the documents were there. no matter what's may or may not be involved, nothing goes on in mar-a-lago, nothing goes on in trump world without donald trump specific knowledge. the real question should be? why more of these documents being kept there? was there a nefarious purpose? i don't know, why altered anybody keep you know, classified documents in an office side location --

>> you know this got president anyone, help us get some insight into what the possible why could be. his allies would have you believe that this is all innocent. he's the classify the documents before they went to mar-a-lago. and whatever, no one's been able to explain. are they souvenirs? are they mom embassy wanted to keep, nobody has given us the why. >> okay so rest a sure that these are not, these are not the love letters from king jong-un and vladimir putin or anybody else in the donald is in love with him. that is not with these documents are. these are nuclear documents, these are also we don't even know exactly what the content of the documents are. and then the bass part is like a clever that the guy is. in advance of everything that is going to happen, what does he come out and say? he says that all of these documents have been declassified before they got to mar-a-lago. i would like to see a document showing that they have been

declassified. again, he will claim while i told somebody to do it. he is going to look to shift the blame which is exactly why this guy does. he shifts the blame to everybody else, except for himself. >> he's talking about how obama did the same, thing he did not pack the stuff. how is he feeling right? now someone in a circle, or somebody around him may not be a trusted advisor or something, somebody around him who know stuff about him is now an informant for the fbi. that much you, know the name is been redacted some don't know who that is. what happens to donald trump when he feels or somebody portraying him? >>, yes it's a big problem for him because global circumstances -- quite a few people that are around him. he is able to shift to the next person. here, he is not sure he can shift to. he's not sure if it's melania, he's not sure if it's one of them with the kids.

you name a, number four over here and a half, no i've been saying that the whole issue with kushner to me just seems falsely odd and the fact that he who was secretary of everything in the white house, secretary of everything and that he seems to be escaping any sort of attention. and a legal issues and so i've been saying for a long time, that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. but then, again by just my opinion. i personally have always thought that kushner was the guy that would end up turning on his father in law first. >> let's talk about something you tweeted on thursday we show that was quite interesting given your own personal experience after you were investigated by the fbi and prosecuted and convicted. donald trump is claiming that the fbi raid on mar-a-lago is a weaponization of the justice system. sounds familiar, donald. is this the same justice system that you weaponized against me? >> hence the book revenge. might have donald trump

weaponized, the night estates department of justice to go against his critics. it is not just, me i did not say that a month ago. and some information came out, and came out that james comey into mccabe. those are two additional people, so the answer is yes. and then again, donald trump does not do things new. everything is sort of a regurgitate scene of audio done before. you may recall during the raid on my home hotel in law office. you may recall that trump turned around and he claimed, that the fbi ransacked the place. that they destroyed it, they pin me up against the wall. all of this other nonsense. none of it being true we. the fbi was professional, they were courteous, they were respectful and i guarantee you they were no different at mar-a-lago either. it is just, this is how donald trump behaves. why? he wants you, he wants to believe that he is the victim. he's always the victim. and, fact he is not the victim

and, again it's when i talk about in this book revenge. he is not the, victim he is the perpetrator >> michael, thanks for taking time to join us this, morning always appreciate your insight. michael cohen is the former personal attorney for donald trump and the host of the -- podcast and the author of the upcoming book revenge. we will have word with the former president, illicitly took with him when he left office and the national security implications of his actions throughout the show plus we will bring you the latest on the war in ukraine which is now exactly six months and the toll that it is taking on that country's youngest citizens and i'll be joined onset by member of the ukraine's parliament. but up next, the red together rosenberg and roy cohn. history of american should know history of american should know and the age of trump♪ ♪i got bongos thumping in my chest♪ ♪and something tells me they don't beat me♪ ♪ ♪ ♪he'd better not take the ring from me.♪ welcome to your world. your why.

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decades to come. that is one cometriq rate entrepreneur, donald trump. it was a match made in heaven. they became close, friends confidant, some of whom say they were so close not write home was donald trump's mentor. he even worked as trump's personal lawyer for many years. for roy cohn it all said about the prosecution of julius another rosenberg who was executed for sharing nuclear secrets with the soviet union. up until the day they were executed, the rosenberg vigorously proclaimed their innocence. they're trying to track that worldwide attention, there was a significant amount of debate over their guilt. many believe they were the victims of the frantic anti communist sentiment in america, which is a product of roy combs red scare. in the 90s after the fall of the soviet union, the release of soviet intelligence information confirmed that julius rosenberg's involvement in espionage. so this, day it is believed by many that ethel rosenbaum was innocent. right john himself died in 1986,

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classified documents are of on u.s. nuclear weapons or names of cia operatives were on this documents? >> soon after that we, to three hours after that, with the washington post reported that one category of documents and about skaters were seeking the unprecedented rate on the presidents former presidents residence, was related to nuclear weapons. michael beschloss joins me now. he is an nbc news presidential historian and author of fireside history and author of many books. including presidents of war, the epic story from 1807 in modern times. an important book. michael, good to see you again. >> same. >> thank you for being with. us we had a short conversation on thursday night, and i wanted to have a more of a conversation. because you are unprecedented about this you are just sort of saying what's the least it could be and what's the worst it could be. and in your mind, you got cia

personnel or a new killer stuff is the most damaging that it could be. tell me why. >> well, because if you think about the most sensitive documents that a president can have, that is what it would be. probably nuclear weapons, or maybe a list of cia agents. the last thing that you want to get into the hands of people that americans do not trust. so there are two issues here. one is that the department of the one of the apartment of justice is looking at immediately which is, why did the sky have these ultra classified documents in the basement of mar-a-lago, unsecured where they could be presumably broken in a no or stolen, or photographed. and given to hostile foreign powers or conceivably even terrorists. but above and beyond that, was this just sloppiness, or to donald trump have these documents for a reason? was he attending, intending, or did he share any of the information from these

documents with other governments in foreign countries? and if that happened, did that damage the national security of all of us americans and our children? >> does it occur to you that, like so much that happened in the last five years, doing the right thing as it relates to national secrets or national security or the safety of americans, it's dependent on norms. that somehow this got passed everyone. director brad i was telling me, another national security experts have been telling me, there is just no way that some of these documents should have ever made it to mar-a-lago level and then stored there. >> right. that is exactly right. and it doesn't take much. a president takes an oath of office to defend the constitution. part of that is making sure that government secrets, that if they get out they can really hurt all of us, don't get into the wrong place. i was talking about the fact that president eisenhower, when

he went back to gettysburg pennsylvania in 1961 to write his memoirs. no one was more national security conscious than the hero of world war ii in europe. eisenhower made sure that all of his classified documents were in a military fort. fort michie. and every time they wanted to see, even a classified document that he himself had written, the procedure would be something like, there would be a guy arriving with a briefcase handcuffs to his rust, and eisenhower would be shown. he wanted to make sure that he observed the same procedures as were when else. so to compare that to trump at mar-a-lago with the stuff in the basement, and we know the stories. and you and i have talked about this. the story of for instance, trumpeted or a mar-a-lago outside with the japanese prime minister, talking about all sorts classified things having to do with military operations than in train.

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caused by ammunition that detonated accidentally. and that is a claim that they use several times, by the way, when they have been attacked. satellite images released on thursday would suggest that multiple explosions happened hundreds of feet apart, damaging several aircrafts. so that doesn't lend credence to russia's claim. but neither side has officially taken responsibility for this. russia continues to push its advance farther west into ukraine. the area in red that you are looking at, shows russian-controlled ukrainian territory. you can see that it is all along that russia's ukraine shore shared border with russia. russia is believed to have had considerable holdover most of the donetsk region in the east. russian forces have made significant advances in the cities of mariupol, gerson, and zaporizhzhia in the recent days. the ongoing crisis in the ukraine continues to fuel a humanitarian crisis across eastern europe. the united nations estimates that there are approximately 13 million ukrainian refugees

worldwide. internally, more than 6 million people have been forced to flee their homes to other places in ukraine. and the united nations says that more than 5 million children need humanitarian aid, because of the ongoing conflict. i am joined now in studio by natalia people, a member of ukraine's parliament, where she is the secretary of ukraine's committee on education and science. she covers a district that covers part of lviv which you can see here is in the western part of ukraine. you are recall when i was in ukraine in march and april, i wasn't lviv as well. thank you for being with us, we appreciate it. >> thank you for this opportunity to speak to american people. >> you are introduced to us by our friends, karen and are in red letter as part of the ukraine children's action project. the red letters and i have been talking for years about the effect of these conflicts on children. there have been children, some of your colleagues who are from

part the eastern part of the country who moved to the west. their kids go to school there, when they go to school they go through these bomb missile drills all the time. at some point it becomes very dangerous for children to be in the situation for a prolonged period of time. >> yes. i will speak just on for example my two sons. and describe how it is. normally, in the first day of this big war because we had world will really for eight years. of members of parliament vote on the list to kill. somebody must be killed on this red square as it gives a chance to others. and i took to my son for a few months to poland. but from june, they are in lviv. normally it is like, it says something that will make to gather with -- is very important and amazing. what is? it will be some projects that will help our teachers to recognize trauma. because at the moment there is

no child in ukraine that doesn't have trauma. it is just bigger and smaller. that is our big problem. our children can be burst in the -- and know nothing about war. but. >> they could have been, but that opportunity has been. lost >> yes, different trauma. because when you have no parents at the moment because they were killed or you and george. and when you hear explosions, it is one trauma. if you just have no childhood and you heard this sirens, it is other trauma. but it is a different way of the same trauma. and we must to go throughout and work with it. after that a teacher can just recognize. after that it must be the work of a psychologist. >> i was going to say, after is you to recognize that something has happened. so before i got into ukraine, i was in hungary and poland. and i was meeting all of these people who are coming across with their children. and some of them are looking to

settle somewhere. their husbands, and the fathers and sons, had to say back in ukraine. and some of those parents dropped their children off with a relative or a friend and went back. to either be with their husbands repaired to couldn't move, that is another trauma. being separated from either one or two of your parents. if you move to safety and some other part of ukraine. and then being in a country where the language isn't the same. in poland, they have made some efforts to try to help the kids with the language. but in hungary it is very difficult. in other countries where there is. no >> other cultures, other languages. that's true, everything is true. because i like a member of -- in ukraine, my children go with grandparents to poland. it was very difficult. and you know, when i am here just for 11 days, and i still have i need my family, my husband in my children. and it is, i am just 11 days. and i am in the usa, but when. >> and you are an adult, and

you feel that trauma. >> and mothers are on the front lines, it is another trauma. or are killed, it is very big problem. in ukrainian army, the war was 28% of women. today it is like 33% of women. it is like we thank you really for support. because we are strong, but we need help and resources and really your feelings that you help us. and we have a feeling that we are not alone. we can go, step-by-step, and fighting. >> you are not a low, that is for sure. tell me, for people who are watching this, because one of the things that we saw, that my colleagues and i saw were so many mothers with their children. and people really want to help. what can they do, and whether you here looking for? >> i am first of all here to tell thank you. and for all support. and second one, you really can like our good project.

it will be in some ngos. like ukrainian american ngos, like come back alive. it is a better way to help ukraine, just give money to this fund. because they work directly. and they are directly with frontline. this is biggest problem. other, is for example front of brett to let. it is work to directly to. this is frontlines, civilians on frontlines. and it is really helpful. or for example, this fund that found its current, it winds which can recognize this trauma. just like three very important way. i am often on facebook, i nataliya people. it is like an english language. natalia as why a. and i very often write in english for the need, which is situation. because i very often am in the

cave doing the capital and i have a lot of hot news from the front lines. because a lot of my friends are there, and member of ukrainian parliament so there. doing for example and >> thank you for being with. us i sense of good time intercity in lviv, and i will be back in better times, hopefully. >> yeah. and i am sure that you are light at the moment, and other americans really welcome. >> thank you very much for that. >> thank. you >> can tell you, people of ukraine. we are going to put some of that information, by the way, and we can help. particularly with this issue of ukrainian children who are in need and suffering from trauma because of this for. last week's show came live from alabama. a state immediately affected by the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. coming up next, more from my time in that state. i had the opportunity to tour one of the states clinics,

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marty brought me up to speed on what abortion care in that state looks like right now. >> you are an abortion clinic that cannot perform abortions anymore. what does help look like? , so when people come to the clinic now, if they say that they want an abortion we are able to provide them with a website that they can go to. it is called i need an a.com. and they can put in all of their information to find the next closest clinic that will be a available, this is becoming more and more difficult, though, because we are seeing reports from illinois, reports from kansas, reports from florida that clinics are backing up. it is taking a three, four weeks for people to be able to get an abortion now. and we know that in alabama that may be unsustainable for them, if they need prenatal care, if they need to be able to have a doctor verify a pregnancy in order to make sure that they can get on medicaid and get health care from anyone

while they are pregnant, that is a thing that we can do. if they are continuing a pregnancy and they are worried about believing in any way shape or form, that is the thing we can check under them because the hospitals are doing this. and that is the thing that i hope that at one point the red legislature understands. is that they aren't shutting down abortion clinics there overburdening hospitals that were already in clinics. in alabama, most people are under insured or not ensure that all. most people don't have doctors, most people used their hospital as a primary care. they ignore whatever is their physical issue until the point where they can't ignore it anymore, and then they go into emergency rooms for help. that is how they get health care out here. and now you are taking away every person who's had an abortion, you take away every person who's gonna become a pregnant, you're taking away every person who might be experiencing pregnancy complications, you're taking

them away from us, and sending them to a hospital system that a already doesn't have enough doctors, enough care, doesn't have enough hours. because we the people who could provide this preventative health care, and who are experts at it, are being told no. you are not allowed to do this anymore. and if you even so much is think about it, we are going to put you in jail for 99 years. >> let's discuss the logistics. somebody comes in here and there are two pieces of logistics that they have to consider. how far they are along in the pregnancy, and where various states are in terms of allowing in abortion. and i don't know how much of this you are allowed to tell people, under very unclear alabama lots now. but that could be the reality. somebody walks into this clinic. >> if they say, i want information about an abortion, we cannot do that. but they say where should i go to get an abortion. we cannot do that. if they come in and say, i had an abortion, can you help me? that is where things get really

scary. we believe that if a person had an abortion abortion, that we can follow up and find out if that abortion was successful. if there are complications, and a non viable pregnancy, weekend adjust that. if there are complications such as it not working at all, we can help them discover how far along they are, and we can help them adjust prenatal care or other concerns. we believe, and so far we have not been told otherwise, that if there is no cardiac itty-bitty, or if we can prove that there is a non viable fetus based on lab work that shows that each cdc is declining, we can provide the necessary procedure in order to and that not viable pregnancy. that is where we are at, and that is why we are here. because, you can do that here or you can go into a hospital and tell them that you are pregnant and bleeding, and so far, every patient that we have talked to who has done that, has said that they had left the

hospital at least once because no one has ever bothered to see them. some of them have waited for four hours, five hours. >> no one will touch? this >> no, it's just hospitals are overwhelmed. pregnant people in alabama are such a low priority for health care in general, that if you go into a hospital that has all these pressing needs, they're gonna put you aside. because they figure it is just a pregnancy issue, it can wait. >> they have other things to deal. with >> exactly. >> and so they assume that it is not something that needs to be addressed immediately. they assume that there is no immediate health threat to a person. maybe there is not an immediate health threat, but obviously there is a health threat in some way or shape or form. but also, it is basic dignity to not turn away somebody who is suffering and in pain. this is something that should be basic to all doctors. and we have a literal six and

vic pile of files that we have been compiling for the two years that we have been here that our doctors have turned away patients or miss cared for patients in hospitals, all over the state. and all over mississippi. and we are keeping track of it. and it is something that, with the shackles taken off of us because there is no more threat when it comes to keeping our license to provide abortion, it is something that we are going to go through and we feel we should share at some point. we want people to understand that there are doctors in the state who make people pregnant. they make people pregnant because they see pregnancy as a punishment. it is a punishment for not following their guidance, or doing what it is that they say that the patient should do. we had a patient who came and pregnant we catch you want to then iud from her doctor after she delivered, and the doctor

said, if you don't want to be pregnant you should be sterilized. and of course, this was a black woman. and she said -- >> someone told a black woman in this day and age in alabama that she should be sterilized? >> yes. and so she said, i might want children in the future, i just don't want to be more children right now. and he refused to give her an i.t.. and three months later she was pregnant, and then our clinic having an abortion. >> miscarriages, pregnancy complications, that issue has become more complicated now in a lot of states like alabama. where a woman who is bleeding, and whom i think there is something wrong with her pregnancy, now has an added thing she has to think about about whether or not this is going to seem like an abortion if she loses her pregnancy. what happens when somebody comes into this clinic now? because you can see those people. >> we can see any person who is pregnant and bleeding.

again, our rules are if there is any sort of clue that there is viability, if there's cardiac activity, there is nothing more we can do than offer prenatal care. that is it. but, we also know that there are going to be people who either are going to try to miscarry, we know that there is no health care preventatively out here, and when you have pregnancies that are in this timed, or pregnancies that come to close together, or pregnancies where people don't have health care to start with, those are unhealthy pregnancies that have a very high possibility towards much courage as well. so we have the procedure, and have the mission of not asked people what happened. you are pregnant, you are bleeding, you are worried about your pregnancy. we will help you. we are not going to ask if you took something, we are not going to ask if you've been doing drugs, we are not gonna run blood tested that way, we are not going to investigate you. we are just going to give you

care, because that is what doctors need to do. >> coming up in our next hour, we are going to air the second part of my conversation with robbyn vardy. there is nothing she told me that didn't facet a me and didn't cause me to learn something that i didn't know. straight ahead, the latest on the investigation into what trump illicitly took with him to mar-a-lago when he left the white house and how it affects america's national security. another hour of velshi, begins right now. f velshi, begins right now. good morning, saturday august, 13 we begin this morning with donald trump's disregard for democracy in the national security of the united states. the property receipt for the documents and items removed from mar-a-lago on monday reveals the extraordinary scope of items that were in propped and potentially illegally taken from the white house when trump left office. in total, the latest mar-a-lago includes 11 sets of classified documents. including three sets of