hi alex. >> hi to you. yeah i'm cranking up about what you are just saying, because i was watching you with the amenable and wonderful role in martin and charles -- coming up. going like, she's never gonna end on time. roland is never gonna letter and on time. and if he is the listening there, he knows exactly what i'm talking about. but we love him, and his energy. and it was awesome. so hey, props to you for anchoring that. where you got him off on. time >> thank you, thank you very much. have a great show. >> thank you, see it next week. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with the very latest in the investigation into donald trump as we look now at the front page of today's new york times, highlighting the new york newly released search warrant on the criminal inquiry that prompted the search of trump's mar-a-lago resort. trump sports perks in taylor budowich yesterday accused the

administration of leaking lies, saying that the fbi seized his picture books, a handwritten note, and the classified documents. well here's an information from congressman jim himes. >> there is a really elaborate document in process for declassification. it often takes months, by the way. so of course he is going to say that. because it creates a little bit of confusion, and there's a little bit of mud into the water. but i can tell you, as somebody who also sees the most sensitive information in this country has as baloney. >> meanwhile, new information is emerging about the man that fbi says attacked their field office in cincinnati. he was a prolific contributor to trump's tooth social website. the fbi is bolstering security around its d.c. headquarters, after a weekend increased threats towards fbi offices and officials. and there you see it, the

democrats celebrating yesterday's final passage of the inflation reduction act. and while we are hearing from president biden for the first time since his legislator, rather the signature legislation was passed, we are going about it in a new video on social media. , today the american people one in the special interest law, finally. with the final passage of the inflation reduction act, and the house of representatives, the american people are going to see lower prescription drug prices, lower health care across, and lower energy costs. and big corporations are finally going to start to pay their fair share. those that are paying zero dollars in federal income tax, will now have to pay a minimum tax. >> more on that in just a moment from capitol hill. joining us right now, for the latest on the mar-a-lago search, we have nbc's maura barrett, at the white house. gary graham box, joining us from our washington bureau. also with, us legal analyst lisa reuben and politicos meredith mcgraw. welcome to all. mora, we are going to start

with you here. because now that the search warrant has officially been unsealed, what are we learning about the items confiscated from mar-a-lago? >> well, alex, the warrant issued by the justice department provides both a detailed list of what the agents were looking for, and the trove of top secret and heavily classified documents that they found, during that search at mar-a-lago. >> a week of questions about why the fbi combed former president trump's mar-a-lago residents. punctuated with the newly unsealed search and seizure risk warrant. the court documents are guilty of elsa gaiters were searching for all physical documents and records, illegally possessing violation of three laws. including a part of the espionage act, the justice department describes as a key national defence and national security provision. federal agents removed 11 sets of classified documents. some, mark topsecret. sensitive compartmented event information. indicating a material that should only be viewed in a secure facility. and by those on a need to know basis within the government.

the fbi, described a book at the a items were covered with only a box member. but also listed, in four regarding the president of france. and executive grand clemency for roger stone, two binders of photos, and a handwritten note. the unprecedented search, authorized by the attorney general. >> i personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant. >> former president trump, in a statement, insisting it was all declassified. they could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics. adding in all caps, all they had to do is ask. the search monday appeared to inspire a wave of new threats against the fbi. including a gunman, who tried to break into a cincinnati field office. he holds for violence against federal agents, until people to prepare for combat on social media. >> violence against law enforcement is not the answer. >> democrats, enraged by republicans who say the search was unfairly done. >> people will die if they keep whipping up and encouraging

violence. >> conservative lawmakers, loyal to the former president, see the search is a quote weaponization of the department of justice by the biden administration. >> the fbi raid of president trump is a complete abuse and overreach of authority. >> meanwhile, though president biden continues his vacation in south carolina, the wealth white house emphasizing that under its administration, they justice department conducts its investigations independently. and the white house leaves any law enforcement matters up to the agency. alex. >> okay, more buried at the white house, thank you so much for that report. joining me now, lisa reuben, legal analyst ram as i bases rachel maddow show. and meredith mcgraw, national political correspondent for politico. ladies, good to see you both. lisa, i will start with you. first question here. most notably, the statutes driving this warrant include obstruction and espionage. so, from a legal perspective, how do you interpret that? >> i know you know the warrant never says on its face who is being investigated. so i want to be very careful

here to say that while the warrant application and the warrants say that the department has probable cause to look for evidence of violations of three statutes, we don't know by whom. that having been said, when representatives of trump will go out and say, they could have had anything they wanted, the warranted so puts the lie to that. and that is because of aids to usc 1819. that is the obstruction statute, alex, that you just referenced. i'll call that the sleeper hit of this war it's. and here is why. it is not just about the removal of a government document. it is about the destruction, mutilation, concealment, or making of a false entry in a record, with the intent to impede, obstruct, or interfere with an official investigation. so there is something more here than simply taking classified or otherwise presidential documents and transferring them to mar-a-lago at the end of the presidential administration. >> pretty sobering assessment there. so, meredith, i'm curious what

you found the most critical in the trove of documents that was taking from donald trump's home. and i'm curious also the reaction to what is there from both inside and outside of trump world. >> that is really interesting list, but also a very vague list. among the items that were listed was a clemency document for roger stone, which was very interesting to see. boxes that are very vaguely labeled. binders, photos, obviously just lots of documents that they say were classified or top secret. there is not a lot that we can glean from this other than that we know it does appear that there is a lot of things that were taken out of trump's residence that shouldn't have been there in the first place. and, the presidents team has really tried to push that the former president had brought

authority to declassified these items. in a statement was given to a conservative journalist by trump's team late last night, they claimed that he was able to declassify all moral of these items. >> i want to be specific on that because they said that he had some sort of a standing order that things would be declassified. so i'm curious, when it comes to, that how plausible is this and how would that even play out? >> that is a great question. we have never seen the standing order that they leaned on. and while it is true that the former, or that the president has the authority to de-classified documents, there is a system that they have to go through in doing that. so there is still a lot of an outstanding questions here with the declassification process the trump's team is really trying to lean on.

>> lisa, from a legal perspective, what did the warrant, what did what we learn was taken, was all of that justification for the search? is it specifically related to what they found? >> i want to make sure that i understand your question correctly. alex, we do not know exactly what they were looking for and why. all of that information would be in the warrant affidavit, which is the one part of the war that hasn't been made public at. what we have -- >> is that something, lisa, we might see? i want to answer all the questions. write that you are -- i am trying to ask if. you >> yeah, it would answer a lot of those questions. but unfortunately, for the department of justice it would answer them for president trump and anybody else under investigation, as well. and that is why we are unlikely to see it. because affidavits, particularly one that i expect

to be as detailed as the one is here, imagine that you are presenting yourself to a federal judge. you are asking for a search warrant to go into the home of former president. you are going to provide a lot of detail about why that is particularly necessary. and so, i don't expect that we will see it here. because president trump, and anybody else close to him that might be under investigation as well, we will learn everything that the department of justice knows. that sets the president can't force or to mar-a-lago in the first place. >> okay, so then it is certain that donald trump has not seen the affidavit. when his attorney see the affidavit? who gets to seeing that affidavit? >> the judge. >> that's a? okay. >> the magistrate judge that makes a decision about the warrant. there are situations in which that affidavit can become until later on. michael cohen's case is a great example. sometime after michael cohen was charged and in fact pled guilty, we then saw the voluminous affidavits that were presented to magistrate judge

in the southern district of new york. that happened in 2019. i don't have those on my computer taking up way too much space. because, the amount of detail and then that is basically like a speaking indictment, telling you who violated what law, and for what reasons, on a moment by moment bases. telling you the who went where and why of one might become a case against either the former president or those close to him. >> would an affidavit offer a name of someone who brought forth information? >> it is hard to say. in all likelihood, that person is described by their role in their proximity, but not by name. and if they are described by name, even if we ever see that document, chances are that person's name will be redacted. because again, as you know to alex, the reporting is complete now that there was otherwise we would call a confidential informant, or a witness, somebody close to trump that provided the department of justice and fbi with some

information that gave them reason to believe that not everything that they had recovered up through june and after was the totality of what president trump had taken with him to mar-a-lago. and or destroyed. because as again, as i noted in one of the statues that is a predicate for the warrant, it's about mutilation, alteration, concealment. it is not just about removal. >> so, meredith, is it clear at all today from your reporting, or from what you have seen in this warrant, why the former president would even have taken these documents. why would he need them, what purpose would they serve? >> well, in the final days of trump's white house it was an emotional. they were quickly cleaning things up, they were putting things in a two boxes. it was sort of a chaotic time at the white house. and that is something that we are asking questions about. what was that process, it sort of the final days there.

but, i am so glad that lisa clarified the warrant affidavit there. because, what we have learned so far from the search warrants really is the who and the what. but the y is still the big outstanding question, and that would be answered in that affidavit. >> there is a lot of speculation. again, back to the mueller might have been behind affidavit. but let's take a listen to what former trump chief of staff, mulvaney, had to say and speculating about. it >> really, that is a good question. really close. i don't even know that there was a safe at mar-a-lago and i was the chief of staff for 15 months. so this would be something he was handling things on day today to know where documents were. so it would be somebody very close inside the president. my guess is there's probably six or eight people who had that kind of information. >> is there any conventional wisdom on this, meredith? is there any reporting that suggests the specifics of who

mick mulvaney would've been referring to? >> referring to you, in terms of those who would've had access to knowledge about the same. >> yeah, well, down at trump has a pretty clothe team of advisers that are working with him. he has a staff that works there at mar-a-lago and his private residence. and, secret service agents that are around. and so, i can imagine that it would be a very small group of people that would be aware. eric, trump and trump's own attorney said that they learned that the safe was broken into because they're watching cctv and security footage while the search was unfolding. but, that would be a pretty small group of people that probably would have that information and knowledge of the safe. >> one last question one last

on question on contents, contacts, meredith. meredith. you know the the washington post has washington post is reporting on the reported on the potential nuclear potential of information being nuclear information stored at mar-a-lago. being stored in now, donald trump himself, mar-a-lago. donald trump he's called a report a hoax. called it a hoax. in fact, here's here's one institution he said what his attorney said about. it >> about it. >> is it your is it your understanding understanding that there that there were were not not documents documents related related to to our nuclear our new color capabilities, or capabilities, or new nuclear issues color issues, that had national that had national security security implications in the implications in the presidents possession when the presidents possessions agents showed up at when the agents showed mar-a-lago? up at mar-a-lago? >> >> that's correct. that's correct. i don't i don't believe they believe they were, were. if they and if they thought they thought they were -- >> were. -- you know for >> well do you know for a fact? >> have you spoken to the president about it? >> i have not spoken to the president about wet nuclear materials may materials may or may or may not have been in not have been in there. i do not believe believe that there are any in. there were any in there. >> there >> so, so do we have any better read on whether the sensitive material was in there? that answer, to put charitably, was rather uneven. >> yes, that interview and that

answer there, didn't seem like trump's own attorney had a good grasp of wet was taken and what wasn't. they've said that they've been cooperating with authorities on this. they went through the documents and to see and make sure that there is nothing that was top secret or classified their. that's obviously not the case. in terms of the the receipt that we saw, and the list of items that were taken out of there that were marked as such, as top secret. or classified. but like i said, this list that is in the search warrant that is released is very vague. there are specific things that are outlined, but some of it is just boxes of documents or, obviously, things that aren't labeled top secret. just to emphasize, there's still a lot that we don't know about what exactly those materials would be. but they were sensitive enough that the federal government found the need to get the

search warrant to go into mar-a-lago and retrieve those items. >> last question to you, lisa, this is a bit of irony, certainly. president trump, in 2018, signed a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified documents. i know it seems like a long way off. but what could he face if guilty of wet is now a felony? >> sure, so the law, alex, that you just referenced is a part of the foreign intelligence surveillance act amendments of 2018. it took the penalty for unauthorized removal of classified documents from one year to five years. that statute is not among the three that's used as a predicate for a warrant. that have him and said, in terms of the statutes that are listed, if president trump were charged with any of those statutes, the one that put some in the most danger is far as i know right now, is 87 93, that's a portion of the espionage act, for which each

violation carries a maximum penalty of ten years. we're talking about real serious crimes here. those are on top of, i should add, some of the criminal activity that we understand might be under investigation with respect to january six. we're not even contemplating anything related to the sixth right now. this is just solely with respect to the alteration, destruction, and removal of government documents. some of which might be classified, some of which might not be. but respect our natural -- national defense. because it could cause injury to the united states, or could be to the advantage of a foreign nation. >> okay lisa rubin, married and -- meredith mcgraw, such a good conversation. thank you ladies, both of you. >> now to nbc's gary graham back, gary welcome. what are we hearing on both sides of the aisle relative to all of this? >> attorney general merrick garland made it clear with an interview with lester holt, in

an address yesterday, that he's going to investigate without fear, without favor, and will go wherever the investigation may lead. there's so many things that we don't know right now about the fbi search at mar-a-lago. you're just talking about that with lisa and meredith. it's not stopping folks on both sides of the aisle from making predictions and giving their opinions. among republicans, a lot of what they have to say is predictable. they're preparing a lot of this to hillary clinton's classified emails server, back in 2016. but of course, the fact check there, she wasn't the president. there was no boxes and boxes full of classified information found in a private resort of her residence. here's what some republicans had to say over the past 24 hours. >> this is absurd. think about it, this has been a witch hunt for six years. this is devastating for uncharted waters. it's stunning to our country, and frankly, this is something

we have to dig into. >> every american should be upset about this. you should never use the justice on a political win like this. >> now democrats and other former officials are taking issue with how cavalier it appears trump was with highly sensitive top secret information that he knew, it was well reported, he read something, ripped it up, left it on the ground of air force one, or of the oval office. he's with some democrats and other officials had to say. >> the amount of information that was retained at mar-a-lago, illegally, and i believe very intentionally -- these documents clearly contained information that if released, would do damage to u.s. national security interests. >> you handle classified information in a very specific way. it's a danger to our national security. it puts people who are on the ground, doing very important work, collecting information for this country at risk. >> i think the real question

that needs to be looked at here is why were they being kept at mar-a-lago? there is no doubt in my mind that donald had to know that the documents were there. no matter who else may or not may not be involved. >> no representative stephanie -- who you heard from in that clip made very clear that there is a big difference between the january six investigation, and what's happening here. they're two very different things. but in the eyes of trump supporters and folks i talked to this past weekend, before the fbi search happen, donald trump can do no wrong. talking to some folks, and hearing from the politico pulling shows that almost half of folks approve of the way the fbi search mar-a-lago. 30 -- 49% of -- 37% disapproved of the fbi's actions. alex? >> okay, thank you gary. when we're signature to go. just one final step before the

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congressional democrats are celebrating a hard-fought legislative win they hope will carry them to victory in november. on friday, the house passed the sweeping inflation reduction act which awaits president biden's signature. joining us now is elie raffa from capitol hill and -- who's vacationing in south carolina. ali, let's start with you, here, what's the very latest? >> alex, house lawmakers are back home, back in their districts, back in recess modes today as democrats are returning to their districts touting this latest historic vote as a notch in their legislative belts that they hope will carry them to victory in november.

>> today the american people one, and the special interests lost, finally. >> capping off a week of winds with the inflation reduction act. >> the yays are 220, the nays are 207. the motion is adopted. >> it's a victory over a year in the making that seemed impossible just weeks ago. the core piece of the presidents legislative agenda boasting the largest ever investment in tackling climate change, tax increases on large corporations, an extension of obama care subsidies, and medicare's negotiating power on drug prices. >> hail to the chief, to joe biden. his leadership, his vision, his inspiration made today possible. >> democrats adding this to a streak of legislative victories there campaigning on as they fight to keep both congressional majorities after

the november midterms. >> i feel bad for the republicans because they have to go home and tell senior citizens i voted with big pharma. >> for the 12 weeks left, republicans are seizing on their number one concern, the economy. >> it's not the inflation reduction act, it's an inflation expansion act. it's a lot of bad for policy that feels really good, but will not do good. it will certainly not curb inflation the way they're marketing. it >> president biden defending the bills hard-fought victory, vowing to sign it into law next week. celebrating at the white house when congress returns from recess early september. >> so alex, as far as when this bill will start doing what it promises, what it says to reduce inflation, economists are saying the dent is going to be minor. it's going to take a few years because it's going to be a few years before several parts of this bill even go into effect. >> okay, ali, stay put. let's take from --

go from there to mike. mike, any sense how and when the president is going to promote this legislation? how he's going to get the message out and how it might impact the midterms? >> well alex, white house officials say he'll be doing that soon. yes, he is enjoying a little bit of our and our first in south carolina, taking stock of what's a remarkable -- turnaround of political fortunes for him and his party in the last month. think about where we were a month ago, when it looked like joe manchin head stepped away from the negotiating table with majority leader schumer, to revive some of the build back better agenda. in the weeks that followed, after the president recovered from his covid diagnosis, we had the announcement of a deal from manchin and schumer. we had the bipartisan chips act, the semiconductor bill, trying to boost manufacturing in this

country. we had the pact act, the bill to expand veterans benefits to those suffering from burn pits exposure. and culminating in what's the significant portion of the build back better agenda. we haven't seen the president too much in south carolina, but we did hear from him in the form of that video, we heard what was the makings of the argument we expect to hear much more of when he returns from the case. let's take a listen to what he had to say yesterday. >> this is an this is a historic historic moment. moment. the democrats sided with the american people, and the republican side with special interests. that is the choice we face. whether it is to protect the already powerful or have the courage to build a future where everybody has an even shot. that is the america i believe in. and today, we have come a step closer to making that america real. >> so, alex, the president will sign this bill into law next week.

but then he will hold a much bigger celebration with all those who helped make it possible at the white house on september 6th. now what do we know about that week, as well? so trevor seventh is when former president barack obama, his wife michelle obama, will be welcome back to the white house where the unveiling of their official portraits. think about with that of official 48 hours will look for democrats attractability enthusiasm that they need to retain very slim majorities in the congress's midterm elections. suddenly democrats really feel like they have a chance to do that. >> yeah, that is something to look forward to. and let me say, when you say you haven't seen much of the president. look, mike, as father's a president might be's view, he is on vacation. he doesn't want to hang out with you. i'm just saying. anyway, all right, thank you. mike >> yeah, he knows how to reach if you want. stu >> i am sure he does, yeah like texas. year anyway, ali rough at the capitol as. well so it all started so well. the reportedly congenial late spring meeting with the fbi donald trump lawyers, at mar-a-lago. a new article discusses how it began with breezy chats and a

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including 11 sets of these classified documents from mar-a-lago. some again marked top secret, mentally billable in special government facilities. you and your colleagues have reviewed the warrant and the receipt. first of all, what can you tell us about this list of items that was taken, and was striking the most about the substance of any of these classified documents? >> well, like he mentioned, there were 11 sets of classified documents contained within these boxes. and what struck me immediately was how some of those documents were marked top secret. that level classification pertain to some of the most sensitive secrets related to national security, related to things like military secrets, military programs, nuclear programs. and so, while the inventory just not list exactly what was found inside of this boxes, it gives us a sort of tantalizing look at what that might be. so that was certainly significant. there is also some sort of

unusual items listed among the inventory, in addition to that. there was a executive clemency grant for roger stone that they seized, as well as binders full of photos, and something that was just listed as information about the president of france. so, a very intriguing set of documents and justice department officials are going to be starting to pour over those in the coming weeks. >> so, intelligence experts are saying that it is likely that donald trump did not act alone. that he was likely assisted by members of his inner circle. and we saw him walking out of the white house carrying boxes. so, i'm going to play some of what a florida state attorney said this morning about the possibility that someone inside mar-a-lago tipped off investigators. >> i think trump has to be worried about the mole within mar-a-lago. because there is a reason why they got a search warrant. they had someone on the inside who knew that trump was allegedly lying about the possession of these documents. and knew where it was located,

inside that save. here's the other thing. based on the statute cited, that will may have also told the feds that trump had destroyed documents. so it is not just the trump possessed documents, but that secret source may have absorbed trump destroying the documents which is another crime altogether. >> so first up, any truth to the moral question? i mean, is it a legitimate question in your mind, and secondly, who might have known about the existence of all this classified documents and storage of mar-a-lago? >> sure, well i don't know that i would use the term moral. but we have reported that there was somebody familiar with those documents who basically led investigators know that after several efforts to obtain the rest of the classified material at mar-a-lago, that there is still more classified documents on the premises. and so we know that the information provided for this person, we don't know who they are, helped lead to the surge that we saw this week. and so, we don't know that much

about this person's motivations, but certainly as you mentioned. mar-a-lago is full of trump staff. and when he was leaving the white house, he would not probably have packed all of these documents into boxes by himself. so it is also intriguing to note that the warrant doesn't list any particular target of investigation. so it is unclear whether mr. trump is a target of the investigation, or whether it is somebody in his staff that they might be looking at more closely. so it does lose potential statutes of violations of certain statutes. but it doesn't say exactly who is in focus from the justice department. >> and that is the kind of information we might find in an affidavit, which we are not likely to see. certainly not now. you reported that trump initially cooperated with the fbi, handing over documents that any thoughts at all. but then in the spring, talks between the two parties soured. and it happened after investigators began doubting the trump team was being truthful about what material remain there at mar-a-lago. what can you tell us about how

this investigation escalated? >> right. so while trump and his team are saying that this was a very aggressive handy and ovens approach came even after he was being cooperative, but we know from justice department officials is that there were other lesson truths of steps that they took before they executed the search, including in june when they served a subpoena on trump. and obtain several documents. that was a less aggressive step and yet at the end of the day, the justice department so felt like they hadn't retrieved all the information in trump's possession. so, the attorney general said that this is not a decision that they took lightly. it came after several lessons series of steps. and, you know, the idea that trump is being totally cooperative i think is in doubt. especially when it comes to federal prosecutors. who found that trump's team was not being as worth right about all the information that they had. >> here is something interesting. trump's attorney says the trump and family watched the search

underway via the mar-a-lago security detail. take a listen to this. >> i think the folks in new york, president trump and his family, have probably had a better view than i did because they had the cctv. they were able to watch. they were actually able to see the whole thing. so they actually have a better idea of what took place inside. >> so this same attorney, that is christina bob, complained this week about not being able to observe the search and also made some reckless claims that the fbi could be looking to make stuff up about what they found. but can you tell us about the footage and investigators allowing us to invest to see the search. and investigators want to get their hands on any of this video? >> it is unclear at this point what else investigators are seeking, but they may have already sought in terms of other additional evidence. but, to your point about trump's claims that evidence where items might have been planted at mar-a-lago by these fbi agents and they're searching the premises. the attorney general was very

forceful in his defense of the justice department's actions, this week. he said, i cannot stand by silently and have the credibility of fbi agents, and justice department officials be attacked. that was a direct pushback on claims that something was planted there, something was done in secret. that was one thing that we heard the attorney general say loud and clear, was that all of this was above board. he personally approved the search. and they don't think that, the idea that there was something nefarious going on there is not something that they support. >> okay. cindy garman, for the wall street journal, come see me. again many. thanks it is a journey of desperation for thousands of migrants now regarded as being used to political pawns. today they are survival remains a question. so what is next for them?

dozens more asylum seekers arrive in new york city this

week on buses. it's a latest move by texas governor greg abbott has already seen thousands of people to washington d.c. over the last few months. let's go to nbc news correspondent george police is joining us to new york city with more on this. you know, george, welcome. this is been an ongoing battle between the texas governor and washington certainly benign york city mayor eric adams. what has led to this and how much advanced notice is abbott giving new york city officials that these folks arriving? >> good afternoon, alex. this is really just a messy situation that can almost be traced back to about a month ago, when mayor adams accused governor greg abbott of busing asylum seekers structured in new york city. this is a claim governor abbott earnestly denied, that he later doubled down saying, you know what i am gonna send those buses directly to new york city. which we know that he has done. now it has a really stop there. mayor adams then telling the governor that, you know what, i'm going to send a bus loop of new yorkers to texas to try to

impede with the reelection campaign. that governor greg abbott did not take too kindly to that. at one point, quoting dirty harry, saying go ahead mayor, make my day. now as far as the response can say as his asylum seekers get the, city lost, not sure where they're gonna go, city officials here say they simply are getting enough notice from texas officials if at all. which is making the situation so much worse. that it already. is alex. >> and, mayor adams, how specifically is he responding other than prompting governor abbott to say go ahead may or make my day? >> the mayor is adamant that he is gonna honor the city's right to shelter last year, but he admits that right now the city is strained. but again, he is not mincing words. and here is what he had to say about governor greg abbott. >> he is a anti-american governor that is really going against everything we stand for. and if his ancestors were

treated the way that he is treating these asylum seekers, and migrants, then he would not be where he is right now. >> alex, could more buses arrive today? that is the big question. that remains to be seen. all of these families, unfortunately caught in the middle of it all. alex. >> yeah, i got to keep an eye on the port authority. we will see. thank you so much, jordan fleece, for that. the political fallout from the mar-a-lago search is it showing up republican support for donald trump? billion out of presidential run before the midterms? and could that help democrats. my panel reacts.

a brand-new poll shows almost half of all voters, 49%, approve of an fbi search of mar-a-lago. 37% disapprove, 13% have no opinion. this would be politico council

poll taken after the fbi search. let's bring in my political strategist, adrian elrod, former senior into the biden harris campaign, and kurt ball della for more spokesperson for the gop oversight committee from 2009 to 2011. two of my favorites, here we go guys. adrienne, do these numbers give you any clues into how this might play into the midterms? >> yeah, absolutely, alex. they are breaking down upon party lines. we know that about 35 to 37% of the american electorate is in donald trump's corner, pretty much no matter what he does. we saw that during the 2016 elections. we've seen that through the midterms in 2018. there is that hard-core support there. so, that support is not breaking. the number that i find very interesting is that 47% that you just put there on the screen, independent strongly, somewhat, approve. up this. that means that, 53% of them do not. or roughly it means that over have to not. and those are the voters that

donald trump will need if he runs for reelection, when he addressed candidates in the midterms. the independent voters and some of those moderate voter republican swing voters, they are gonna be the ones who decide the midterms. they'll be the ones who decide 2024. and, seeing a dip in those numbers for trump, especially given the fact that a lot of these voters are tired of the investigations that follow him, they are fatigued by donald trump himself. so i think when you put all this factors together, this is obviously not a good thing for trump and he is losing support among some of those key voters who he needs to win in 2024. >> yeah, understandably exhausting for those folks. so there is a further breakdown. let's go through this with you, kurt, 47% of independent support the fbi search. so do you 15% of republican voters. so, does this tell you anything about how they are likely to vote in november, and to adrienne's point, so many people are just exhausted of this type of story constantly being associated with donald

trump. >> yeah, i think adrian is really right about the trump factor. even voters who might be inclined to say yeah we like him, yeah we support him and his policies. i think we saw both in 2018 in 2020, there is a big segment of voters who are just over it. who are tired of it. and you have no desire to go back to a time where we lived every single waking moment by whatever tantrum he was throwing on social media. or at his rallies. and i think when it comes to something like this, we spent the last few years hearing the republican party talk exhaustively about law on order, about blue lives matter, about protecting cops and police. it is really contrary to that brand but they have spent so much time investing in, to now say defund the fbi. go against law enforcement, we don't support them, they are the enemy. i think that puts them in a very awkward position. and it undoes so much of what they spend their time doing.

i mean, even someone like congressman john dan crenshaw republican from texas out there saying, hey guys, defund the fbi doesn't make you sound very serious. >> i should note for folks, we introduced to the republican roots but the fact is you are now consulting right now for the dccc. so if anyone is listening to answer, saying that this is a story some very public and supporting, let me move to this question though. because i am sure you've both seen this headline. the daily mail, reporting donald trump's allies, urging him to announce his 2024 bid now. but if the donors and gop leaders fear, it just hand democrats the midterms. so, kurt, the political and outspent for a speedy announcement, how could it help trump? >> i think that there are those in trump's orbit who falsely believed that by announcing and declaring himself an official candidate for president, that that somehow makes the justice department, and the attorney general, wary to pursue any legal cases against him because

he is a candidate for president. it is so funny because i remember a few weeks ago that it was reported that kim mccarthy had successfully top trump down from enough keeping the midterm focus away from him, to try to run the virginia governor avoidance play that we saw glenn youngkin run so with successfully. well, i think this just blows all of that up. and again trump is going to make himself the focal point, because he needs that spotlight. he graveside attention. he is a narcissist. and every time that donald trump has been the focal point of an election, why there was 18, 20, or the georgia special, the republican sent to lose. >> how, adrian, candidate trump benefit dense in the midterms. james wanted to not seen? >> absolutely, alex. bring it on. we are ready for. it here is how it can help. in some of these key marginal senate races, where one or two points or even less than that will decide the election, this is where you are going to have some of those independent moderate voters saying, you know i think i am inclined to support the republicans. i want to balance in congress

right now the democrats have full control of the house, senate, and white house. maybe a little bit of balance. when trump goes out there and starts dumping as a candidate before the midterm election, should he announce, they are gonna take a step back and say wait. you know what, this is still the republican party of donald trump. he is still the de facto leader of this party. i am exhausted with him, i am tired of these investigations. i've got mega mega trump fatigue. and they are going to be reminded, that maybe i'm not gonna cast a vote for some of those republicans in key states and key senate races. so that is why we watch all trump to go out there. and, look, the republican base is that fired up. the democratic base is fired up. those two sort of balance each other out. so donald trump getting into the race is only going to make those independent moderate voters more dissuaded to support republicans, because they are so exhausted with this process. and by the way, joe biden has a really big. win four major economic bills. there is a lot for democrats to run. and so there is quite a contrast there. >> yeah, it has been a good few

weeks for joe biden, that's for. sure so you do know, rod kurt bhadelia, guys get to see you both. thank. you coming up next, what could be the most damning evidence from the mar-a-lago search. the potential that donald trump could be prosecuted, and the reality of growing threats of violence by the far-right.

a very good day to all the msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with new reaction shin to donald trump in the fbi search of mar-a-lago. one former white house chief of staff says trump sometimes asked to keep documents he'd been given to review, during official meetings. >> from time to time the president would say, can i keep. us but we had entire teams of people to say that people the to make sure the documents to get left behind, and get to get up to the