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good afternoon everybody. good to be with you. i'm lisa reiser, we have a lot to get to this afternoon. in the search around the world, the fbi wanted to get into donald trump's inner sanctum at mar-a-lago. we look at what was taken by authorities and why. and we hear trump's defense, and why he should be able to hold on to top secret
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information, when the justice department clearly thinks he should. and also following the latest on a stabbing attack on famed author salman rusty that has been fighting for his life. and the latest on the texas governor's besting of migrants to the northeast. why some say he's easing them as political pawns, a live report on that, coming up. but we're going to give you details on that search at mar-a-lago. it's been less than 24 hours since a federal judge and see the details on that warrant. federal agents removed 27 boxes with 11 sets of classified documents some of which were marked top secret from trump's former home. we also learned about the legal basis for executing that weren't. obstruction of justice, and criminal handling of government records. it's important to note that the warrant doesn't tell us with certainty that trump is being
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investigated on espionage charges. joining us now is msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade and gary -- first will go to, you have we learned about the 27 boxes and the documents in them? >> there is a lot in those 27 boxes. we don't know all that was in there. the executive grant of clemency for roger stone -- information for -- regarding the president of france. what's particularly notable is the 11 sets of classified information that was in the 70s boxes, includes three boxes that contained secret information, free boxes that contain confidential information, and at least five boxes of confidential information. the washington post reporting -- classified documents related to nuclear weapons were among the documents that the fbi sought. those documents would fall into the top secret category.
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the world to people with access to top secret information is very small. it certainly does not include every member of the mar-a-lago club, where those boxes were located. >> the doj is using the espionage act as justification for the search. does that mean that trump is being investigated and could be charged for something? arrested just part of the effort to get those documents back? >> i think either of those scenarios could be true. it may very well be that this is the end of it. they just want those documents. back as you heard, the supposed to be stored in a secure facility known as the scif for top secret documents. every day they're sitting there they're risking our national security. but it may also be that there is an ongoing investigation into the espionage act. the espionage act is a little bit of a loaded term. it could be violated in a number of ways. it can be applied to spice, that is the charge of --
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the rosenberg's, for which they were put to death for selling secrets to the soviets. it also -- the punishment is still serious, ten years, but not likely death. it can be violated for something as simple as possessing documents that you're not authorized to have, when you are aware that the contents could either injure the united states or help a foreign adversary. that's based on the nature of the documents themselves. serious crime, we don't know yet, whether the investigation will continue, but it's quite possible based on what we know so far. >> none of the crime say it'd require that the documents were classified, or were unclassified. he tweeted -- tweeted classification is irrelevant -- the instruction charge in this morning suggest trump tried to
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conceal but he had. talk to us more about with the doj, have the doj uses the statutes here, the lack of requirement -- >> it's a really interesting choice of statutes here. earlier in the week there were suggestions that they had likely charged a citation to the same crime that petraeus of been charged with permits handling classified information. that would require that the documents be classified. instead, perhaps because they anticipate -- anticipated this defence, none of these charges require proof that the documents were classified. but there will not be a valid defence to say i declassified them. the second one, the espionage act requires that the information pertains to the
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national defense which sounds like it does, if there are documents about nuclear weapons. the third one says that is about obstruction of justice. if you have documents and the government came calling for them you, denied that you had them, concealed them. all of these can be -- declassification here is not gonna save donald trump. >> i want to ask you a little bit more about that. the new york times now reporting, a trump lawyer told the justice department the classified material had been returned. the new york times reporting that it's a possible indication that mr. trump or his team were not fully forthcoming with federal investigators about the material. this is exactly what you're just talking about. what do you make of this reporting? >> it could lead to additional charges as well. fall statements to government agents is itself a crime. it's hard to believe that he didn't realize he continue to
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have classified materials, when you look at the timeline. archives came looking for the stuff back in january. they took 15 boxes at that time. then there is a subpoena in june for the things that got left behind. and they finally had to do a search warrant to get what was left. it wasn't just a couple of scraps, it was 27 boxes. it seems that those charges about obstruction and lies could be really important. they also tend to show a willful attempt to keep these things. not a mistake, not negligence, but an effort to take and conceal. >> gary, it's been interesting to watch the evolving messages that we're hearing from the gop, and the new york times and others, there's a split among republicans on how to respond to the search. representative brian fitzpatrick told reporters off camera that he wants his gop colleagues to be responsible
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and measured in how they're reacting. what were you hearing about how republicans could be changing their message, after seeing about what was in the warrant? >> former president trump doesn't seem too concerned. he just posted about recent campaign contributions, that's what he's focused on. but elected republicans had been on fox all morning and weak. calling it a witch hunt, calling it absurd, uncharted waters. saying the justice department should not be used for political whims. also, according to new political poll, half the respondents -- [inaudible] i spent time last weekend at
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cpac before mar-a-lago was searched by the fbi. these are people that believe trump can do no wrong. they're not gonna change their mind. they don't believe any investigation is gonna impact their belief that donald trump shouldn't be president in 2024. >> lindsey graham, other members of team trump are saying where is the affidavit? where is the affidavit? is that the probable cause statement? but we -- would we learn from an affidavit? are they likely to release it? >> they're not likely to, unless they're forced to by the court. an affidavit contains details about the investigation. it will run ten pages or more. it's a detailed recitation of the investigation. it's put forth by the case agent, sharon to a magistrate judge to demonstrate probable cause. it has to -- three statutes every element of
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the three statutes -- that the documents were at mar-a-lago. if you describe that person it may not describe that person by name. it may say a confidential source, but sometimes the details about that person can be real to others who have inside information, that person is based on the description. to make sure that the investigation is not compromised i don't think that's gonna be turned over anytime soon. if, the theory is they just want the documents back, then it could be unsealed. if instead they find to pursue the investigation, it would not be unsealed until they turn it over to the defense. >> okay, barbara mcquade, gary, we covered a lot of ground. we'll have much more on the story through our two arrows with you. we're gonna move on because democrats are celebrating a major legislative win. the house passed the 700 --
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along party lines, after year of negotiations on a reconciliation bill. the massive package includes major changes to the tax code in this country. the president hails it as the largest investment in climate in the history of america. also included our provisions to lower the cost of prescription drugs. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent mike emily. mike talk about what's in this bill and with the white house is likely to focus on most win type in this bill. >> when you think about how much of the past [inaudible] that's a remarkable about this accomplishment, why democrats are so relieved, if they feel like they've taken what's been the major economic headway's --
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concerns about inflation, and use that as a rubric for which to build a paradigm piece of legislation. i wonder the mission of lowering costs for american families. when you look at some of the components of this, starting with senator joe manchin the chief architect, his major concern was there maybe too much government spending that help give rise to inflation, this bill raises more revenues than it spends. they're tightening the fact that now medicare will now be able to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies. the obama care subsidies will be extended to keep insurance -- the climate really come into the form of credits and rebates to make things like the purchase of energy efficient products more affordable as well. this is all about lowering costs. it is interesting as the
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president was celebrating this piece of legislation he focused really on the idea of the climate provisions when he facetimed in with people in the roseville room. he said this will change the world and that's what he was focused. and >> mike memoli, for traveling with the president, appreciated. >> coming up, this comes just days after the former president took the fifth over and over again, and the new york attorney generals investigation. >> plus beto a rock drops the f bomb after they left at a -- and maybe finally the mother factor but it's not funny to me. >> but first the new
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he was a devout supporter of former president trump and an active user of truth social, where he posted about his desire to kill fbi agents. shiffrin had been known by the fbi for months, and they're looking at is potential involvement in his attack on the capital, as well as connections to fire right extreme groups. it was followed by a standoff for several hours, police shot and killed ship. or celebrated author salman rusty is reportedly on a mantle later following an attack in upstate new york. he was preparing to give a lecture, when a man jumped on stage and jumped the 75-year-old multiple times. the author was airlifted to hospital in pennsylvania. we're joined by our correspondent in pennsylvania, what's the latest on his condition? >> hey there, lindsey, well
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rusty wasn't surgery overnight, after you mentioned he was stabbed repeatedly. his agent says he will likely lose an eye. he suffered severe injuries to this liver. nerve damage in his arm. he can't talk, he's on a ventilator. that's according to several reports. i just spoke to a doctor who happen to be in attendance at the speaking event on friday. when he saw the attack happen, he rushed to the famed authors aid, as well as other people in the audience. he got hands on him within 60 seconds of the attack. when you're thinking about someone losing blood at such a fast pace, those first few minutes are critical. the audience members could have helped save his life. >> you tell us what we've learned about the suspect? the 24-year-old has been identified, within the area he's expected to be arraigned
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on special -- several charges, including murder and assault charges. a senior officer has told nbc news that in reviewing his social media accounts it does appear that he has been radicalized. he has sympathies to shia extremism and the iranian regime. we're also learning that the fbi is investigating whether the suspect had connection to the iranian government. that's according to another senior official. and the background of this, rusty has faced decades of death threats, over his work, specifically since the publishing of his novel, the satanic versus. some muslims founded offensive. shortly after that, the supreme leader of iran had issued a thought to essentially ordering for his killing. >> thank you so much. at least three more buses filled with migrants detained at the texas border arrived in
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new york, this week. the new york governor is slamming -- using the migrants as political pawns. the city is planning on opening specialized help centers. officials say intake centers have already become overwhelmed by the thousands of people who've arrive since may. we are covering this story, george what's the latest on the ground, there? >> lindsay, all eyes on the port authority to see if any of them have arrived, but we know that could change at any moment, as we've seen over the last several days. right now officials convey -- we know governor abbott declaring earlier that all these buses, that's part of this escalating war of words between the two leaders. oh [inaudible]
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letting women win the buses might arrive. mayor adams has called on federal aides to help have some of the people flooding the city. there's some people concerned that some were brought here without their consent. some of these individuals might have court dates for their asylum dates. if they miss those dates, if they could face a deportation. through all of this, mayor adams has been very angry, and critical of governor abbott. here's what he had to say. >> he is a anti-american governor that is really going to -- going against everything that we stand for. so if he know was treated as he's treating these asylum seekers and migrants, he would not be where he is right now.
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oh >> of course, lindsey, it's making this a very tall order for all the people coming into the city, the city is obligated to find homes for them. all these migrants family, some of them arriving into the city, not sure why they're here in the first place. of course this is just creating a much bigger problem in a situation that's already pretty harrowing for a lot of these asylum seekers, lindsey? >> all right george, thank you so much. coming up as mom -- moms the word, a number of times present -- trump reportedly pled the fifth this week, part of the report -- repor -- [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a time. - we've both been taking prevagen for a little more than 11 years now.
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october court date. this coming on the heels of donald trump's deposition wednesday as part of the new york attorney general's probe of his business practices. the former president invoked the fifth amendment nearly 450 times. the only questions he did answer? his name. the the hundreds of millions of dollars, trump himself -- i want to bring back msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade, as well as suzanne. susan and let's start with you here, but types of questions to trump refused to answer? >> it was on wednesday, it's hard to believe, it seems like it was so long ago. he was deposed for five or six hours most of the day on wednesday. he took the fifth on an array
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of questions. pretty much everything but his name. they're zeroing in on how his valerie assets, and whether or not he fraudulently valued real estate assets to get tax benefits. he mentioned at the top, the criminal cases going forward in new york. the primaries and way took the fifth is he didn't want to add any gasoline to the trial that's coming up in october. anything that he said in the deposition could potentially be used in that trial. i could also be used against this country, and his cfo. right now the manhattan da's standing down and charges against him. but anything he could've said in that deposition may have ignited that case again. when they were thinking legally, should they take the fifth or not, there is no gain and him
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answering any questions. >> i want to dive into that little bit further. trump has long railed against taking the fifth. now he says you have no choice when dealing with a unfounded political witch hunt -- the statement doesn't say this because i didn't want to add fuel to the fire. you can your colleagues, you have reporting into his thinking, at any point did he want to participate and his lawyer said, you should take the fifth? >> as a longtime student of donald trump, i've heard dozens of them, he enjoys the sparring. when he's giving a deposition, has children, two of them, donald junior and ivanka decided to not take the fifth and to testify. obviously they're not a monolith, they have different views, we don't know said or how do you think paul was with this specific issue. two of them did testify.
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the legal jeopardy was too great given what's coming up in october. he's coming up to a criminal trial involving tax evasion evasion. both the company and cfo is facing potential jail time if the jury finds him guilty. >> barbara i want to ask you let suzanne was talking about here. he invoked the fifth more them -- back in 2020. as susan mentioned, donald trump jr. and ivanka did answer questions. it is a tell you? >> it depends on the types of questions involved. eric trump is more directly involved in his business, it could be that if you add more to this. it's a tactical decision that all these witnesses had to make on the room. what's interesting here is that all of the women's invocation
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of the fifth amendment right cannot be made against that person at the criminal trial, it can be used in a civil case. it could be that laetitia james knew full well that he's going to invoke his fifth amendment right, and yet it was important to go through this. it was his opportunity to tell her side of the story if you wanted to. but he chose not to prefer it was incriminating. that right can be told to the jury in the civil case. when you think about the burden of proof in a civil case, a preponderance of evidence which is just 51%. all the documentary evidence which he already has, when she asked the court to order this deposition, she has very strong evidence in the documents of the problems that you just heard described about over inflating certain assets, undervaluing under assets to service purposes. when you ask him about it, he says he can't answer? that might be enough to sway
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effect finder. >> that said, since juries -- did you want to build on that season? >> a little bit. we don't know how this is gonna break. it could be that there is a civil trial. if history is any guide, he will settle with -- the attorney general. another thing donald trump says he doesn't settle. he does. he settled once over trump university allegations about practices that were going on. so this may never see a courtroom. i see this as going down in manhattan -- a little bit of kicking the can down the line. he's got a lot of legal problems right now, legal thinks he's generally. when i just say, okay, i'm going to take the fifth on this. it may settle, and will deal with it later. >> barbara mcquade, suzanne, thank you, we appreciate your time. >> let's turn to you perhaps
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the most anticipated primary race of the midterms. talking about liz cheney who's facing long odds to hold on to her house seat in wyoming, as she prepares to face a. the latest polling shows that only about 15% of wyoming republicans supporting a. clearly playing the price -- jonathan allen whose wife -- jonathan what are you hearing from voters ahead of the primary? >> that's a great question. as you point out, the polls don't look good for liz cheney. we hear a lot of -- some democrats who say they've switched parties. what we've heard most of is the gentleman in the clip since to us. >> you have anything to say about what you don't like about liz cheney? >> the fact that she and biden
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were hand-in-hand. i don't like his politics, i don't like the way the country's gun. i don't like the way the nation is going. i can't wait to see a trump -- >> that's about the best majority of the republicans are saying. this is a huge obstacle for liz cheney to overcome. of course, it's about more for the rest of the country that it is for the wyoming voters who are focused on -- focused on january six. for the country it says a lot about the battle that we've seen between liz cheney and donald trump, and the future of the republican party in the future the republic. what do you have wyoming republicans point to for not supporting cheney? is a trump, or does it go deeper than? that >> it goes a little bit deeper than that.
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cheney is represented wyoming since 2017, and she has had a few races before where she has been attacked. you hear over and over again, obviously is the daughter of former vice president dick cheney who's a member of congress, and an administration official before. she spent a lot of time in the washington area, she gets it for not being a wyoming i'd even though she has represented them in congress for a while now. but a lot of it has to do with what is seen as duck disloyal to donald trump from the very trumpy republican party here in wyoming. is there a potential play in the future here, for cheney as an independent? do democrats have a voice that is heard there, in wyoming? >> i'm glad you asked that, lindsey. it is very difficult to see liz cheney winningest independent in wyoming. the question that we are hearing from voters is whether she might run as an independent.
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something that that is a good idea sir next up. even some of the independents are gonna vote for her as an independent. they are unwilling to give up on her. they describe her in terms of bravery as a two-time trump voter here who is a who has changed her mind since she watch would happen at the capitol and soured on donald trump and became a cheney supporter. she said if cheney one for president, she would back cheney. >> interesting. i have to wonder if part of this is a long game for cheney, if she is going to set it out for a little bit and then dive back in. jonathan allen, thanks so much. after the break, intensifying fighting in ukraine around its massive nuclear power plant. raising fears of a possible radiation catastrophe. we are going to have a live report from kyiv, next. , next , next i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise,
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there are growing concerns of a new killer catastrophe in ukraine. for the last week, shelling out the power plant in southeastern ukraine has put the global community on edge. this is the largest nuclear facility in all of europe. nbc news correspondent, josh lederman, joins me now live from kyiv. josh, what is the current situation at the facility right now? >> well, the mayor of a nato darwin, is the time of the secular facility is actually located, lizzy, is warning that there has been more shelling today. which by my count has been six
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days out of the last week and a half or so that there has been shelling. in the direction of the nuclear power plant, and the mayor is warning that the time between when artillery shells are launched and when they land, is so sure that people don't even have an opportunity to duck and cover or seek shelter. and so, the head of the energy company, the nuclear agency is now urging pregnant women, as well as children, to leave the area. saying that they are at the highest risk of radiation. but really, the concern that has taken center stage as we have seen this crisis unfold of the last week or so, has been about the energy supply to the nuclear power plant. because mueller power plants they obviously create huge amounts of energy. but that doesn't mean that they are totally self reliant. they are still reliance on the electricity grid to provide the power that they need to operate their cooling systems. and we have seen russian shelling on several occasions, attacking and damaging the power supply lines. that is raising real fears that
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if the power supply, to the nuclear power plant was cut out, they would only be about 24 hours of clinton and cooling ability before there would be the possibility of the system overheating and potentially nuclear meltdown. >> let's talk about the fallout, there. if that were to happen, where else would we see the effects globally? >> well, it is difficult to say. frankly, some of it depends on which way the wind was blowing. but we know that during the fukushima disaster japan, some of that radiation was going over the pacific ocean. analysts have said that a new deal or disaster at zaporizhzhia, could parallel on the fukushima disaster. it could be something like ten times the size of the chernobyl disaster. so certainly the radiation could spread to any point within the european continent here in ukraine. a very serious concern with military officials telling abc news that they are preparing both a military and civilian populations here. for the boss the possibility of
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radiation. spreads things like checking bombshell tours, stockpiling iodine medications, making sure the public knows what to do if there is the spread of radiation. lindsey. >> and josh, we have pregnant women and children who are being told to leave the area. i mean, this is unfortunately not new. there are refugees around the entire country of ukraine. and you have been doing a lot of reporting on the humanitarian efforts going on there. how are things going? >> i mean, the challenge is just immense, lindsey. something like 12 million people in ukraine who have either become refugees outside of ukraine, or internally displaced. in a new report from the kyiv school of economics, says that the cost of rebuilding just the infrastructure that has been damaged here, is likely to exceed 100 billion dollars. a german chancellor herman schultz, saying it is going to require a bigger effort. that the marshall plan, and give you another example, school starts here in about two weeks. you have about 20% of the schools here who have either been damaged or destroyed. and in many cases, the schools
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that are not destroyed are now housing refugees i'm selves. meaning there is not necessarily a place for the students to go, if and when they're able to return the classroom. >> all right, josh lederman and kyiv. thank you. >> still ahead, beto o'rourke's takedown of a heckler over the uvalde school shooting. texas state senator roland guterres joins me next with his reaction. as well as efforts to uncover more details about how police handled the shooting. re details about how polic handled the shooting handled the shooting this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments. and cibinqo helps provide clearer skin and less itch. cibinqo can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections.
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cans, and two teachers. shot to death with a weapon originally designed for use in combat. legally purchased by an 18 year old who did not try to obtain one when he was 16 or 17, but follow the law that was on the books, ladies and gentlemen, it says if you buy that, when you can buy two more if you want to. ar-15s. hundred rounds of ammunitions, and take that weapon that was ever going to find for use on the battlefield, in vietnam, to penetrate an enemy soldiers home at 500 feet and knock him down dads. up against kids at five, it may be funny to you but it is not funny to me. >> that was texas governor terrell candidate. forceful reaction to someone laughing while he spoke about the shot in the school shooting in uvalde.
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o'rourke later tweeted that there is nothing more serious than to have the getting justice for the families of uvalde. >> joining me now is senator roy cortez. thank you for being with us, and there have been reports that that person, who has been described as a heckler, was a greg abbott supporter. what is your reaction to that moment and how he handled it? >> look, then just feeling the front stretch and that certainly anybody in uvalde and all across texas, and really all across the united states had felt. this is probably one of the worst mass shootings in our nation's history. we have a governor who has refused to do anything. not one single thing to answer for what we do and how we can change things going forward. we have a dps state agencies that refuses to accept any accountability. let's be very clear, accountability means people losing their jobs. kids died that day. and kids that might have been saved, died that day because
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police stood outside of classrooms out of fear for their own lives. they did absolutely nothing well children died. >> i want to elaborate on a couple of things you just mentioned. talking about information, this week the judge just denied your request for the release of it more information on the handling of the shooting. and it is a pretty narrow ruling. judging it wasn't properly filed on the texas public information act. but do you hope that you will get more of these records released eventually? and what light do you think they will shed? >> well, look. we have been filing these records this way for years. this new change in the law was something for media to say that there should be some kind of a compliance with the particular statutes and the collection of data. that said, look, we are going to appeal our case. we are gonna file another open record. you are your new agency as well as other should file lawsuits. it shouldn't take a lawsuit to
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get a state agency to act right, in any states in these united states. and the department of public safety has refused since day one, and giving us any measurable information that goes and shows their part and their role in what happened on may 24th. the facts are simple. the largest police forced, the largest second largest police forces the state agency. there are's 91 of. them 12 of them in that hallway including a texas ranger, walking around, talking with someone on the phone. i want to know who he was talking to, who told him not to go in and lie. and why didn't seem across tell someone, get 12 of our guys and go in there now? that never happened. these are the big bad texas rangers. those are the guys that they make tv shows about. they are the ones who are supposed to do their jobs, and they failed these children? >> you also mentioned, senator, the lack of action to prevent
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something from like this again. in fact, you treated your reaction to a plan to have more officers patrolling evolve issues schools. saint greg abbott is doing too little too late, and it is not a serious solution. what more would you like to see? >> you know, it is insulting that greg abbott says i'm going to bring accountability down here. he goes 75 days later to finally talk to families. only because your news agency called him out. so now he is ec, i met with fam. i talk to them. i took notes. in one instance he didn't even know the names of the children. that is what this man is about. he is about nothing more than his own ambition. nothing more than trying to win the presidency some years down the road. let's face it, i've got a message for him. he may not, he is never going to be the president. he may not be the governor of
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the state of texas past november because he has failed at every level. and he filled when santa fe,, the santa fe shootings came about and we lost children at that school. and he has continued to fill five massacres later. culminating in uvalde. it is high time people started holding him accountable for his doing nothing for texas. >> before we let you go, i want to ask you about something else we've been covering this hour and that is governor abbott's busting of migrants to new york city. other cities to, like d.c.. a lot of people are saying that he is playing politics here with people. do you agree? >> that is the most preposterous political stunt ever. and let's be very clear, this all comes from his so-called operation love star. the same operation love star that had this political stunt, that stopped trucks at the border crossing the state of texas non nine billion dollars.
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the same political stunt that killed a national guardsman on the border when he drowned because greg abbott has a contract with all of his friends, except for apparently anybody that has life reserve years. and it is the same operation lone star whose officers were in uvalde and build those kids. everything that he has done in the space on immigration, has been lately has been to distract the public from his failures and eovaldi, and his failures in -- from his failures and everything that this governor has done more to have people dying texas than any before him. then anyone before him. >> texas state senator, roland gutierrez, we covered a lot of ground with you today. thanks for being with. us >> thank you so much. >> coming up in our next hour, we are gonna take a deeper dive into what the fbi recovered and former president trump's mar-a-lago home. some top secret documents, two binders of photos. plus, the people willing to die for trump.
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questions about whether doj felt they needed to act. this is the former president now claiming he declassified it all, it's not an issue. claims being met with skepticism with legal experts and democrats. >> there's a really elaborate documented process for declassification. it often takes months, by the way. so of course he's gonna say that. it creates a little bit of can fusion and throws a bit of math into the water. i can tell you, as somebody who also sees the most sensitive information this country has, its editor baloney. >> republicans meanwhile using the search to take aim at the department of justice. >> the fbi and the department of justice are going to give trump a fair and impartial firing squad. >> the doj resembles the gestapo more than a justice agency. we're ready for battle >> every american should be
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