>> that is it for me. i am alicia menendez. i'm gonna see you back here tomorrow at 6 pm eastern for more american voices. but for now, i handed over to charles blow who is in tonight for ayman. hello, charles.

-- and inside, the federal government's response to monkeypox. are they doing enough to stop the spread. let's get started. tonight, we begin with the details about what led the fbi to execute a search at donald trump's home this week, according to the newly unsealed search warrant, officials believe trump was in violation of three federal statutes regarding the removal or destruction of records, obstruction of justice and the espionage act. authorities and that removing 11 sets of classified documents, including some that were labeled secret and top secret. they were also papers described as sci or sensitive compartmented information, that's one of the highest levels of government

classification. -- house intelligence committees sent a letter to the director of national intelligence, requesting a national security damages testament of the classified documents taken from trump's home. according to new reporting from the washington post, documents related to nuclear weapons were among the items fbi agents sought in the search. now they are still a lot we don't know. sources speaking to the post declined to give detail about what types of information the agents were seeking. including whether it involved weapons belonging to the united states or to another country. and we don't know if those documents were among those retrieved this week. for this part -- for his part, donald trump has labeled the nuclear weapons issue a hoax. but here's what we do know. the justice department is handling this matter by the book, or so they say. here is attorney general merrick garland on thursday.

>> the search warrant was authorized by a federal court upon the required finding of probable cause. i personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter. the department does not take such a decision lightly. we are possible, it is standard practice to seek less intrusive means as an alternative to a search and to narrowly scope of any search that is undertaken. >> trump's spokesperson has called the search, quote, not just unprecedented, but unnecessary. but let's look at the timeline. in january, a full year after trump left office, officials from the national archives removed 15 boxes of records, some of them classified, from mar-a-lago. federal prosecutors then began a grand jury investigation which resulted in trump receiving a subpoena in the spring. for more documents the fbi believes he still had in his possession. that prompted a visit from

federal officials in june. following that visit, at least one lawyer for former president trump signed a written statement, asserting that all materials marked classified, and held at mar-a-lago, had been returned. that is what for people with knowledge of the document told the new york times in the reporting out today. we should note that nbc news has not seen that document, and is working to confirm that story. we have also reached out to the former president for comment. by the peers that the statement from trump's lawyer was not true, since authorities found more classified and highly sensitive material at trump's residence this week. trump was given less intrusive opportunities to cooperate, but instead he chose to stonewall. he continued to store classified materials at his home. as for unprecedented, well, as

the new york magazine's jonathan shape chait argued, the reason don trump is the first former president to be treated like a criminal, is that he is the first former president who is a criminal, and quote. let's bring in my panel. paul butler is a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. david rohde is executive editor of news for the new yorker.com and an msnbc contributor. and ryan goodman is a law professor at new york university. he is also the co-editor in chief of just security. i want to start with you, paul. i want to get your reaction to these possible violations, including the espionage act charge. >> charles, the genius of the justice department's choice of the three crimes listed in the search warrant is that none

requiring documents be classified. the espionage act sounds like spying. but you are guilty if you are grossly negligent in taking or storing documents that could harm the security interests of the united states. and with trump it's always the question of whether he had criminal intent. but charles, the evidence, what makes it incriminating? as you said first they asked him nicely here. got that polite requests from the national archives. and that's when they ratcheted up the pressure with a grand jury subpoena. and when that didn't work, that is what brought trump that fbi raid. >> ryan, a moment ago, i mentioned that there is new reporting for the new york times. for sources told the paper that trump lawyers said all classified material had been returned. based on the property receipt, we know that that is not true. could this be part of the reasoning behind the obstruction charge? >> absolutely. so, everything he said there is true. and it does seem as though it's

a false statement. so, the real question would be, was it a knowing fall statement? did they intentionally make a false statement, therefore, lie to the justice department? if so, it means that the lawyers themselves face criminal liability. and trump himself may face criminal liability. because he is lying to the government through his lawyers. we have seen this before. the paul manafort case, for example. he was found to be guilty of lying to the justice department, through his lawyers. and his lawyers were put on the stand to say, well, who told you that this was the case? in this instance it would be, who told you there was no longer any classified information at mar-a-lago? my client did. and it's kind of end of story if that is what happened. >> so, david, trump was given multiple opportunities to comply before 30s searched his house. did he -- why did he choose to hold on to this classified information? they still boggles my mind. i don't understand it. what value would it be for him to hold on to this when he knew that the archives and

investigators were looking to get it back? >> so, john kelly, it's a great piece in the washington post put out earlier today, said it is arrogance. that trump was dismissive of intelligence officials. he thought their presentations were sort of unimpressive. he would routinely take classified documents during the briefings and keep him for himself. and he just felt that these documents belong to him. that they were part of his presidency and he should be able to keep them. john bolton, another former aide, a former national security adviser, said the same thing. that trump's -- and i'm just quoting now. but it fits a pattern here of basically, trump's arrogance. and a dismissal of government process, and a real suspicion of career public officials, in government. >> paul, let's go back to garland. before the warrant was released, you wrote a piece in the

washington post, will you question the doj's choice to go after trump on this issue. you wrote, quote, the first prosecution of a former u.s. president needs to be worthy of the historic weight. after seeing what the warrant says, do you still believe what he wrote then? >> i sure do, charles. with trump now, it's kind of like federal and state prosecutors. take a number, wait your turn. but we will see what other evidence comes out regarding how trump views these classified documents. but based on what we know now, i think january 6th is the rights choice for a historic first indictment of a u.s. president. we don't have to speculate about that damage. we know that human lives were lost. we know that the cost to our democracy is ongoing. and finally, charles, the january 6th house panel has provided doj with a roadmap

with how to bring trump to justice, for his worst offenses. >> ryan, you told axios in a piece out, just this morning, that you believe trump is in, quote, very serious trouble, and that if the justice department wanted to pursue a criminal case, based on the available information known to the public today, they appear to have a very strong case. do you disagree with paul? >> so, i don't disagree with paul in the sense that i do you think that the more grave offense is the attempt by trump to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. i mean, when a complete threat to our democracy. but i do think, if you are looking for second order criminal offense, espionage, under the espionage act, i think, would be fitting. that if you are going to prosecute a former president, then the espionage act will be something of such a serious and grave matter then it would be befitting, for the justice department to move forward.

and the wording of the espionage act fits the known facts, like a hand in glove. it is really remarkable. because the espionage act includes when a person retains this kind of high-level secretive information, even when they are given a demand to return it by the government, and they still hold on to it. that is what the espionage axes. so, that's why i think it is a very strong case, if the justice department wants to move forward, based on the publicly known facts. >> david, let's shift a little bit from the purely legal to part of the political here. in a piece out yesterday here you wrote, quote, trump's base, of course, will believe that the justice department and the fbi are falsely accusing him. but for everyone else, is a sense of exhaustion that trump's antics feels inevitable. tell us about how you think all this will play out, particularly in a political arena. >> i do think that this is doing political damage to donald trump. i think moderate republicans

and independent republicans in the suburbs, they have a fatigue of trump. and i think it hurts their view of him. and what i notice and wrote about -- and i have heard this from former trump administration officials, is that donald trump's actions, after he lost the election in november 2020, by millions of votes, do increasingly reckless and unhinged. and this search at mar-a-lago is the latest example that the january 6th committee has done a amazing job of catalog his behavior, after the election, and how outrageous it was. and former aides told me that he would sort of listen to his lawyers. he wouldn't cross legal red lines, again, before he loses the election. and so all of that, the january 6th work -- the search of mar-a-lago, shows how reckless and heedlessly has become. and how he has -- just, i think, a danger. and i hope that voters will see that. >> paul, it's great that

authorities now have possession of all these documents, right? hands down, period. but trump had them for a year and a half. how are we sure that the document, the physical document, is the only manifestation of the? document are we sure that they didn't take votives photographs of it? are we sure that they didn't copy it? how are we sure that they didn't distribute it? >> well, we are not sure at all. and that is why the huge question is, why in the world was trump hoarding these materials? what has he already done? and what was he planning to do? and trump's defense now of blaming the lawyers, well, i guess that's better than the earlier defenses, which is that the fbi planted the stuff, or that trump declassify the material, but he didn't tell anybody. but remember, this obstruction

of justice? or obstruction of an investigation? that means that the fbi had probable cause to think that somebody at mar-a-lago holds a significant risk of destroying evidence in the next few days. i wonder who that could be. >> panel, please stick around. our coverage of the fbi search and it's fallout continues right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ today, my friend, you did it...you did it...♪ today, you took centrum silver and took one more step towards taking charge of your health. centrum gives you 100% of the daily value of key nutrients. so every day, you can say, ♪you did it!♪ with centrum silver oh, that i can't believe i scored this price feeling! well believe it baby! ♪you did it!♪ because wayfair always delivers. the look you want at the prices you want. so you can have the home you want! see we told you.

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trump's response to the fbi search has been confusing at best. headfirst, he suggested the two was being framed by the fbi writing, quote, planting if i mention anyone, than as the news cycle worsened, he claimed president obama did the same thing, apparently, keeping millions of pages of documents without persecution. that was until the national archives released a statement refuting trump, saying it, quote, assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of obama presidential records, unquote. when obama left office. so, now, trump and his allies are claiming that the documents held at mar-a-lago who are somehow magically declassified by a reporter that no one has seen, and the trump never mentioned until this week. what's next? back with me, paul butler, david rohde, and ryan goodman. david, your reaction to this

ever-changing, never ending series of defenses that trump and his allies are offering? >> it is very trumpian, sorry. it's this constant sort of assembling and denial and confusion. and i think part of the goal here, in the past, i think trump has, you know, succeeded in just muddying the waters, and clearly, as we talked about earlier, this base is gonna believe this. again, i think, some of these are, you know, republicans i've talked to, this fatigue, the star some sense that he's focused on himself, the team still can't believe he lost the race. and his frantic efforts to come up with excuses. and i think, again, fatigue with this kind of chaos and the lies of donald trump. >> all, regardless of whether these documents were declassified, why would trump need these documents in the first place? and why wouldn't he just give

them back, once he was asked the first time by the national archives? >> that's the question that merrick garland is going over now with the fbi, for all of its problems, it remains the world's best law enforcement agency. but there is absolutely no reason. keep in mind, charles, this was not his property. you know, this property belonged to the government of the united states. when i was a federal prosecutor, and i had to deal with classified information, it was almost a joke how obvious they make it. it's literally stamped in huge letters on every page. so, this isn't the kind of thing that you make a mistake about, and with trump, you wonder, was there some kind of national security concern? or mighty of used this evidence to try to curvy favor or brought someone, and what the former president, all of those

are certainly possible. >> ryan, the chair of the house oversight and intelligence committees have sent a letter to dni afrin haze today requesting a damage assessment of the classified documents, legally. how could this kind of assessment impact what happens to the former president? >> so, i think it could move, allow the justice department to move forward. if in fact, this assessment comes app, which we imagine it would, this could be highly damaging to the u.s. government, to have this kind of information in the wrong hands. so, i think just the optics of that would be, it raises the stakes enormously about what is at issue here, and the public would understand better the legitimacy of the justice department. but the interesting thing, it fits squarely with the espionage act. because the espionage act just requires an assessment that the information could damage the

national security of the united states, or but the advantage of another foreign country. we're talking about top secret, and even hired a top secret information that was classified. and the standard for top secret is that it must pose an exceptionally grave risk to u.s. national security, so that's what it sounds like he had, in a very unsecured environment in mar-a-lago. and i think the damage assessment is a very smart way to go about having the experts analyze what exactly are the implications for what's happening here. >> paul, i want to turn now to the other big trump news this week. trump pleaded the fifth more than 440 times during the position this week with new york attorney generals office. and it's part of their investigation into the trump organization's business dealings. legally, that, what does this mean for the investigation that the former president didn't answer any of those questions? >> so, first, any good defense

attorney would have advised trump to take the fifth because the manhattan district attorney is conducting a parallel investigation of the trump organization. and the da said he is closely watching what's the new york attorney general finds. it's quite common when politicians are under criminal investigation. the defense attorney says, you gotta take the fifth. but the political advisers say, man, you can't do that. here, trump, i think, appropriately, went with his defense team. but in the civil investigation, like the new york attorney general is conducting, the fact that he took the fifth can be used by the jury to infer that he's guilty. that has answers, that his answer would incriminate him. so i think this will face a settlement, in part, charles, because donald trump does not want to go in front of a new york jury. >> david, i want to get your

opinion on this as well. what does it look like to you that the president refused to answer any of those questions to the new york borough? it's his right, it's a constitutionally guaranteed right, he's allowed to do this. but what do you think the consequences of this are? >> i think it's gonna hurt this political messaging. his whole thing, he said he is a fighter, he doesn't back down. there's reports that he loved giving depositions in the past. it was interesting, he did well earlier in the week, because he was coming off the fbi raid. and he was spreading these sort of deep state conspiracy theories. the fbi is out to get me, the new york is out to get me, the january six committee is out to get me. and and now, we've got an investigation in georgia as well. and i think taking the fifth and all of these investigations, again, just damages him. because it is, again, either you believe all these people who are lying, or donald trump is lying. and slowly, slowly support for him as eroding. >> all right, david rohde and

ryan goodman, thank you all so much for joining me tonight. up next, the house committee is getting access to trump's tax returns. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ psst. psst. ♪ ♪ [allergy monster attacks] allergies don't have to be scary. flonase sensimist stops your body from overreacting to allergens with a non-drowsy, ultra-lightweight mist. psst. psst. flonase. all good!

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and tax issued for years. susie suzanne, first off, are you surprised that -- the committee actually won their case. >> i have to say, patience, and i have to say, the story didn't get a lot of attention this week by that is really important. because it goes back to the 2016, when donald trump said he was going to release his taxes. it goes to why that is so important. it is because we need to understand the politicians and the presidents finances, the people running this country. what to their finances involved and what are the pressure points? and who may be able to influence them? and this is where it all started. he said he wasn't going to -- he was going to release his taxes and then he never did. and why this leads to, which is just so important for public policy, is, they are going to look at changes that should be made, based on a look at his taxes, and tax information.

but public policy changes could be made to improve the system and improve disclosure. and i just thought it was such an important issue. and it is just so long running. it started back in 2015. it went through the trump administration, got dropped, and is now alive again. >> so, trump is very likely to appeal this, likely to the supreme court itself. how much longer could these legal drama drag out before the committee actually gets to see these documents? >> the supreme court docket does take a while. it could be next year or the year after. and i don't so much think the urgency of this one, it started. and now, i think, are different. now he is no longer an office and the new york times -- on one of the reporters that was involved. we obtained 20 years of his personal and corporate tax returns. they have also -- the supreme court has turned them over to investigators. but that information, a lot of it has leaked out. but i think the public party

policy part of this is what is important. if it takes another year or two to play out, i think that's okay. but i think it will happen now. at least it will go to the supreme court to get a hearing. >> i hear you on this issue of public policy and making sure that they adjust the rules around disclosure. but if you are advising the committee, is that what you would be looking for? or will the committee also look for criminal possibilities? there is a lot that we don't know, in the tax returns, about legal exposure. and also issues of weather who loaned money, who he might owe money to, whether those are just banks or government actors. and so is just the policy issue the only thing you would be advising to look for? or would they also look for criminality? >> no, and i think we do know a lot of the things that you just mentioned. i think we have seen -- we have got the returns, and a lot of that information has been out there. there may be stuff that is not on his returns that people

still want to find out. but what has actually been filed to the irs, which is usually your best case forward, that stuff is now out there. we know who his lenders are. we may now still have issues with, should he still be -- making public, still involved in decisions, around financial institutions, or other entities giving him money? but i think what is now going to play out with the ways and means is more of a policy role and improving public policy. >> all right, let's pivot a little bit. this week, a manhattan judge has denied a request to dismiss the manhattan case against the trump organization, and cfo allen weisselberg. where do you see this going from here? >> it is marching towards a trial. and that trial could happen. jury selection is going to start in the third or fourth week of july right now, and let's get unless that gets moved. -- the cfo of the trump organization are going to trial

for issues involving tax evasion. it is going to be a new york jury. and if it does not go his way, it could be very serious. there could be covenants and loans he has that may default, if your judgment goes against him. and the cfo, who has worked at the trump organization for decades, is facing very serious penalties, including potential jail time. it is going to be a very eventful fall on that front. >> separate from this, the new york attorney generals office is investigating the trump organization. this week, trump invoked the fifth amendment at least 440 times in his deposition. talk us through where you see that case heading. was his testimony or his testimony deposition the last peg before charges filed? or how is this going to work out? >> i am a reporter, really bad at making predictions.

i think you are better at it, from where you sit, at the new york times with opinion. but i would just go back to this. i go back to his other entanglements that he has had with the new york attorney general. this is a civil case. and he has had two other cases. not a trump often says he doesn't settle. and he does. he has done it twice with the new york attorney general. i think that was part of the calculation this week. i think he was concerned if he gave a deposition that it could be used against him. and that federal case we just talked about, and also potentially reigniting an inquiry that was going on into trump themself, criminally. but i think also, he is just saying, i've got a lot on the go right now. this case could potentially settle. and i will take the fifth. optically, it looks really horrible, but -- >> susanne craig, my colleague at the new york times, thank you so much. after the break, the consequences of republican abortion bans may be more wide ranging then you imagine. g then you imagine

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discussed the devastating and life-threatening consequences lack of abortion access has had on millions of americans. but as post roe america takes shape, it is becoming clear these restrictions don't just impact those seeking abortion care. take 46 year old becky hubbard, who suffers from debilitating

rheumatoid arthritis. after her home state of tennessee employee's new abortion restrictions, she received an ultimatum from her doctor. if she wanted to stay on her treatment plan, a drug called methotrexate, she had to stay on -- from arthritis to cancer, can also end a pregnancy or cause birth defects. now, doctors and pharmacists in more than a dozen states with tight abortion restrictions are suddenly being forced to navigate a medical and ethical minefield, deciding whether and when to order certain drugs because they could be held criminally liable for prescribing them to pregnant women. as becky hubbard put it, quote, it is frustrating as hell. let's discuss with the dr. call

lena nichols, chief medical officer at planned parenthood for the st. louis region and southwest missouri. last month, she testified before the senate judiciary committee regarding the consequences of the supreme court decision. doctor, do you think these consequences are intended or they just unintended consequences that are collateral to the decisions we are seeing. >> the truth is, that for those of us who have been working in states that are incredibly restrictive, already, pre decision, we have been screaming about this potential for years now. we knew that banning abortion wouldn't just mean that people wouldn't be able to get abortion access in their state. we knew that it meant that miscarriage management, as you mentioned, treatment for rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, cancer -- all these things could be predicted. and the real truth is, though

it may take years to fully realize what the impact is, this country is already abysmal maternity little mortality rate, will certainly [inaudible] and of course, the most impact in that realm is going to be felt by black and brown women, and those who are already suffering the most. >> one of the other ripple effects that we are seeing, with many doctors in these antiabortion states that are reluctant to work their, and they are having a hard time recruiting new doctors to take those positions in those states. how could that also endanger women? >> this is going to have a massive effect across the workforce, from training institutions to the end product, where we have fully practicing positions physicians. -- family medicine physicians that i know, have gotten into medicine to be healers. and it is not only frustrating, by the it is also, as he said, an ethical minefield to now be faced with the situation in

which you know with the best treatment is. you know how to help somebody. you know what could save their life. but you are weighing the potential possibility of facing criminal charges by an overzealous attorney general. that is just not by people run into medicine. so, i certainly am not surprised that folks are choosing to leave states where that is a reality. o >> the new york times is reporting that some women are now sticking out medications online without supervision of a clinician or a doctor. now, before roe, we had a back alley abortions. is this now just a modern day version of the back alley abortion? >> look, medication abortion can be self-managed safely, so as long as you have the correct medication, and you know how to do it, what's the warning signs are, if and when to seek help. so, folks can certainly manage their abortion in the safety and comfort of their home, if those criteria are met, they have the right medication.

they know how to use it, and they know when to seek care. >> we know one impact from this story, a ten year old girl who had to travel out of state for abortion after she was raped. you work with the abortion provider in that case. what toll does that have on women and girls? >> look, that story certainly was tragic. but the reality is that every abortion delayed or denied is also tragic, and we are seeing it across the board. i mean, in my own clinic in southern illinois, we are scheduling sometimes 60 to 75 patients a day. and our staff are working 10 to 12 hours a day. you know, the real tragedy i think, that case, that very young women want to travel out of state, is how the republican attorney general really went after this compassionate doctor,

who followed the law, and provided necessary health care to this young woman. and i think for those of us who are practicing in states like indiana, my own state of missouri, we expect those sorts of attacks. and like i said, that's not why people went into medicine. that's not why physicians become healers. so, you know, we are on the lookout for that. >> doctor colleen mcnicholas, for some people, you are doing gods work, maybe -- that's why you have a halo at the back of your head. so thank you so much for doing this. ahead, and the federal government's response to the growing monkeypox crisis. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ kids don't always take the best care of school supplies.

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monkeypox is proving that that is not the case. facing a massive vaccine shortage, the fda announced this week an emergency use authorization that allows health care providers to administer a fraction of a dose of the monkeypox shot. this will increase the number of doses available by up to five fold. but critics say, this strategy means that thousands of people disproportionately queer men of color will receive what's in effect a watered down weaker inoculation. earlier this month, it was reported that the department of health and human services bundled, getting monkeypox vaccines getting into arms earlier, because it failed to ask for stocks of the vaccine. it already owned the bottled for distribution. joining me now to discuss is joseph osmundson, a micro biologist, queer activist, and the author of virology essays from the living and the death, and the small things in between.

joseph, can you start by laying out the timeline of the monkeypox outbreak here in the united states? and did the public health officials know this would be a problem, and when did the bungling begin? >> the bungling began at the first few cases that we found. you know, it is first principle in epidemiology, that if you are collecting cases for a disease that are not epidemiologically linked to one another, you are not collecting all of the cases that are out there. and so, there was this notion in the federal government that we don't really need to get testing up, and we are not seeing that many cases. but what activists were saying, these cases aren't linked to one another. we have no concept of the scale of this outbreak. and therefore, we need to scale vaccines and tests immediately. and there was at least a six-week delay on testing. and vaccines didn't move for a month after that, even as new york city celebrated pride that

june. vaccines or not ordered until the weekend of pride to be shipped from denmark. >> what do you make of this new fda emergency use authorization, encouraging doctors to roll out the vaccine in much smaller doses? >> yeah, so this is based on some science, although it is limited. i just want to say that this is a manufactured scarcity. we could fill and finish 15 million additional doses, if we invested the money with urgency. this does not do -- this crisis could have also been solved if we had moved the million doses we had, it's likely would have been able to stop the spread in this country. now, the situation is, we do have a scarcity, and essentially, if you haven't gotten a shot by now, and you do things as sort of expected, you are unlikely to get a shot. so, the federal government has said, we will use a different approach. we will inject just under the terms of the skin, where there

are more immune cells, so you will need a smaller dose. that is based on some science, but the reality is, north carolina has published their vaccine data by demographics, 70% of the cases in north carolina had been in black people. and 67% of the vaccines have gone to white people. and now, you're in the situation that the remainder of people, largely black and brown, as you mentioned, we'll just be getting less. and an additional variable that hasn't been fully studied. >> let's talk about that. do you think we're gonna be seeing a similar public health response right now, if monkeypox was either predominantly just spreading among white people who were queer, or it was just spreading among heterosexual people? >> look, it's so hard to say what is homophobia, and what has been ineptitude. but i do have to say that if

this were affecting a different demographic of person, there would have been urgency in may. i just do not believe that that is not the case. we would not have said we are not, obviously, we're not testing enough, it's fine to not move the vaccine. it is both that it's affecting where people and they are the seem to be spreading largely by sex, and that the whole motivation and the urgency of almost every level of government has not tweeted us ask people worthy of care. and that, of course, is doubly true for trans folks, and for people of color within the queer community. >> do you think that health and human services secretary have er becerra should resign? it is reported by politico, eight current and former administration officials say they he has the ability to steer the administration through monkeypox? >> we have been so disappointed in secretary becerra. i sat on a call with him, telling him to his face would my friend who was going through

monkeypox was feeling. he had practice, and could not pass a bowel movement, and could not sleep at night. and people in hhs were telling us that this was a mild infection, and there was just this disconnect, almost seems like he wasn't listening, maybe on his phone. you know, and then, to hear him say, you know, we didn't move the doses. we didn't get testing scaled up. but you know, last month, he did a press conference where he said, oh, the federal government did all we could. now, it is on cities and states. you can't gaslight an infectious disease. and the secretary level that the hhs, really the only person, they are the pen holder. they are the person who the buck stops with them, the decision stops with them. yes, there's been problem within cdc and fda and barbara, but it is becerra's job to solve those problems in his failed to do so. >> we joseph osmundson, thank you so much for joining us tonight. up next, the rights hypocrisy when it comes to trump and the justice department.

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trump was doing what he is now accusing biden of doing. >> i have said, i am going to stay away from the justice department until it's completed. that doesn't mean i have to. because i don't have to. i can get involved. i'm allowed to be totally involved. i'm actually, i guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country. >> i said i will stay out of it. i wish i didn't make that statement. there is no reason, really, why i have to. would happen to durham? where is durham? bill barr can go down as the greatest attorney general in the history of our country. or he can go down as just an average guy. it depends on what is going to happen. so, christopher wray was put there. we have an election coming up. i wish she was more forthcoming. he certainly has not been. >> the attorney general said, i'm going to recuse my self. why the hell didn't he call me that before i put him in? 33,000 emails! we now have a great attorney general, let's see what happens. our justice departmen w