tv Yasmin Vossoughian Reports MSNBC August 14, 2022 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
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we're following the breaking news, the fbi releasing a new warning to federal law enforcement in the wake of the mar-a-lago search and the targeting as some of their own agents. this is the political fallout from the seizure of top secret documents continuing in full force. these documents are not only containing our nation's top secret, but because our country would do us harm, do harm to our own citizens. we don't want them to get a hold of them in any way, take photos of them, anything, because they can reverse engineer them and figure out who the sources are, what's the confidential confirmation. is that's why it's so important that these documents remain in safe locations. mar-a-lago, you can check out croquet sets and china's rockets and golf clubs, that's not one of them. >> i am hoping that if they actually did this and if they recognized how serious this was they did have their act together before they went in and did this and then it was
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not a fishing expedition. it is up to them to be able to share with the american public that logic behind what they did, the fact that they had, what caused them. releasing the affidavit would be important. >> we also have new information on a personal message donald trump reportedly sent to merrick garland. back to the fbi top secret documents from his home. we're gonna talk about this in a moment with january six committees members. the this hour, the last stand for another january 6th committee member, liz, cheney facing a tuesday primary. it could spell the end of her time in congress for now. democrats celebrate the inflation reduction act. will it be enough to save them in the midterms? i'm gonna talk to congresswoman, joaquin, castro about this ahead. we are first going to begin with the breaking news. the fbi and dhs issuing a bulletin describing a spike in threats to federal law enforcement in the wake of the mar-a-lago search. senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news that
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the bill it was stated august 12 and was sent out an up by abundance to caution. the threats are coming from online and other platforms. it cites the attack on fbi offices in cincinnati. they are looking at a visual of that. it led to the shooting -- it comes on the heels of the former president accusing the fbi of taking privileged documents from his mar-a-lago property, writing this. it is just been learned that the fbi and its famous rate of mar-a-lago took privileged attorney-client material and executive privilege material which they knowingly should not have taken. my copy of this truth, truth capitalized, i respectfully request that these documents be returned to the location from which they were taken. joining me right now to discuss this is kyle, cheney political senior leader affairs editor and guardian congressional reporter. i want to talk to you about this because you tweeted this
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saying that the doj often releases materials that are privileged. we talk to joyce vance in the last hour who said this is an example of trump's evolving defense. can you elaborate on what you tweeted? >> sure, doj gets its hand on materials that are privileged all the time. in fact, they even seized devices from rudy giuliani in the past who was donald trump's lawyer. clearly there's going to be attorney-client privilege material there. they have processes in place, the cold filter teams or taint teams that go through and make sure they're not reviewing material that shouldn't be in their hands. it certainly is not with donald trump says. just give it all back to me and pretend you never took it. there is a way this works and this isn't it. >> hugo we've seen a strategy from the trump playbook to muddy the waters. throw up theories, for example, the items of mar-a-lago were declassified and they don't need to be declassified to be a violation of the statutes that were noted in the warrant. here trump is saying that he learned some of the documents were privileged, maybe he
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didn't even know they were in there, and now he's showing outrage. is this another example out of that playbook? >> yes, i think. so i think especially with the executive privilege. by saying that the materials are executive privilege he is almost acknowledging that these are government records and -- documents aside while they should reside at the national archive and not at mar-a-lago. it is a bit of a self own in many respects. his latest defense, as joyce was saying, this is an evolving matchup. he's been going on about how these documents were transferred last week, and he realized that the classification of the documents wasn't really what mattered. it seems to be shifting towards the fact that these documents might need executive privilege. >> i want to play you but senator klobuchar said about the classified documents. >> these documents not only contain our nation's top secret,
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but because our countries would do us harm, do harm to our own citizens. we don't want to get a whole of them anyway, take photos of, them anything. because they can actually reverse engineered them and figure out who the sources are and what the confidential information is. that's why it's so important that these documents remain and say vocations. mar-a-lago, where you can check out a croquet sets and tennis rackets and golf clubs, that is not one of them. ckets and golfwhat's more reactu hearing from congress and any potential hearings we might see in the future, hugo? >> well, yesterday we got wind of the fact that the house intelligence committee and house oversight committee want to get a briefing on all the damage assessments from the director of national intelligence about the potential damage that could have come from trump's mishandling of these kind of classified documents and whether there was any harm that came from the united states or the strategic allies. i think it's a significant move. certainly the congress that i spoke to yesterday, they are
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expecting to receive some information about the kinds of documents that were removed from mar-a-lago. of course, we know they were designated as top secret. otherwise classified material. as well as the potential, some material that was potentially in the affidavit that accompanied it. i think that requires notice. >> you talked about the severe and anxiety as it's gripping trump world even as they try to use that as their political advantage. among the possible -- it -- but the fbi doctored evidence to support the search warrant and then planted incriminating materials at mar-a-lago for good measure. even at the timing of the search it was meant to be a historic coal echo of the day president nixon resigned in 19 -- do you think trump is believing them or it is a throat out there and see what sticks tactic? >> it certainly is the latter. you're seeing it in terms of
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flailing responses. you suddenly saw overnight on friday night that donald trump's world telegraph said that oh, he actually automatically declassified anything he took to his residence. that's the first time anybody in trump's orbit had ever heard that before. also as you pointed out not really relevant because things can be declassified and still be illegal for him to possess. you are seeing this scattered attempt to defend. when the defense falls apart they are moving on to new ones and guessing at what the doj might know or have or -- now that we know how much classified material was there, it's much harder to sustain those theories -- they are concerned about targeting other. agents do you think that some of the rhetoric that we've been hearing from some members on the right will tamp down as a result of this? >> i think it is interesting,
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when we were in the hill on capitol hill on friday, there was a real split in the republican response. the whole week they have been pretty unified about how the fbi search was an overreach. when it tripped out that actually there was a lot of classified materials removed from mar-a-lago i think some of the more serious republicans especially, the ones on the path, of oversight committees took a step back and said, you know, we want to see what the facts are before we weigh in. also the far-right house freedom -- who are still sticking to their guns and saying the fbi search was a witch hunt or some politically motivated attack. i think that's probably going to signify on both sides in the coming weeks -- as the story develops. >> kyle cheney, thank you both for joining. us we appreciated. i want to bring in congresswoman from california, member of the january six committee. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. how closely are we watching the
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developments? i know we've been asking experts about what happens -- now we have you and we can ask you that. >> it's not at all clear what was discovered at mar-a-lago when this search warrant was executed. it really has no overlap with the january six committee. our charge is to investigate all the matters that led up to january 6th to attempt the election. and to make recommendations that would make it much harder to try to overturn an election violently in the future. we it's theoretically possible that there is some overlap, but at the current moment i don't think that there is. >> your committee has been very clear that it's up to the doj whether to charge trump in relation to january 6th. does the fact that mayor garland was willing to take this action increase your
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action -- he said all along that you are going to operate on the facts whether it leads them and that no one is above the law and that i believe him. obviously the committee is not prosecutors, the burden of proof is different for the prosecution. they have to have reasonable cause, but to convict you -- dog i'm aware that he knows that. obviously he's the maternity -- attorney general. i think the idea that -- had the top secret material that didn't belong to him. it belongs to the government, the american people. why would he have it there?
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why would he expose it to adversaries of our country? it's very concerning. >> the new york times is reporting that after the search, but before garland unsealed the warrant, -- mr. trump wanted mr. garland to know that he'd been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search. mr. trump wanted -- familiar with the exchange. what can i do to reduce the heat? >> how do you read that communication? >> well, you know, we know that in january 6th the president did utilize mob violence for political ends. he knew that the mob him at his speech, at the ellipse, was armed and he directed them to the capitol anyhow. his whipping up of passions and
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knowing that some people in this country are a little unhinged is pretty much in keeping with his prior actions. >> related to january six investigation, what witnesses are you hoping to hear from and what are your plans for those who have refused efforts to testify? for example mark meadows peter navarro? >> well, the committee won't allow us to announce who we are interviewing and what they have said it without a vote of the committee which is not going to occur. as you know we did refuse meadows refusal to testify to the department of justice for criminal prosecution, the department declined to prosecute. we don't have further options available to us. , however we do have piece together a lot of wet mr. meadows did from the testimony of others. i will say that this is an
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active investigation. we will review that carefully. some of it is very important and some of it is not relevant and we are hoping to have at least one additional public hearing in september. of course we will have full report on all of our findings as well as legislative recommendations this year as well. >> can you shed light on the focus of that hearing in september? >> i always love the chairman and vice chair announce the hearings, but there are some loose ends that we are following and we hope that it will be useful and informative as i think our other hearings have been, at least that's the feedback i get from my constituents. >> loosens all right. i will read into that. congresswoman, i wanted to add, you there is a new university
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poll out, it shows that your first round of hearings does not seem to have move the needle very much in terms of how the public sees the january 6th riot. to find that surprising or disappointing? >> i don't know what to make of polls. i will, say the mission assignment from the rest of the house was to find the truth and tell the truth. i take that seriously as do the other members. i think we have done that. the feedback i get among my constituency, including a lot of republicans who come up and always preference saying that i'm a registered republican, i voted for trump, but thank you for what you're doing. it is very interesting to me that so many people have said that to me. >> i want to get to someone who's paid a political price for this. but first i want to ask you about the timing of your final report. can you shed light on how we might be able to see that.
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is there talk among the committee that the public sees this before the midterms should things not go the way of the democrats in the house? >> we are not following a political calendar, we are following what it takes to get this done. it is a huge amount of material. we need to -- wear in the process of writing and assembling the report. it needs to be accessible to ordinary people, not some dense tone that goes on the shelf and nobody reads. it will take us a while to get that done. we want -- we are very focused on accomplishing the task that the house has given to. us that is true of every single member of the committee. >> your colleague, liz, cheney sits on the committee with, you they are facing a primary on tuesday. i know you said you don't like to read into a lot of polls but they do show why they expected
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to lose that primary. how do you feel about the sacrifices that she's made to hold donald trump accountable and how she's been treated by her party? >> i didn't really know liz very well before we started working together on this committee, and when i found her to be is an incredibly talented supersmart, hardworking, honest individual. now, she and i don't agree on a whole variety of policy issues, but that doesn't stop me from admiring the person and the character that she has. she would never lie or cheat or to anything dishonourable for a political reason. so i think she is really a pretty remarkable person and if her constituents don't understand, that i feel badly for them because she is a rare representative. >> thank you for spending part of your sunday afternoon with, us we appreciate it. >> take care. >> still ahead this hour, more
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administration declared monkeypox a -- the cdc reports just over 11,000 reported cases in this country. meanwhile, the governor of the state, with the third highest number of cases is refusing to declare an emergency there. that has doctors concerned. nbc, stephanie, stand now joins us from tampa, florida. stephanie, why is governor ron desantis so resistant to declaring an emergency? >> good afternoon to you, lindsey. governor ron desantis has made it very clear how he feels about covid-19 mandates and it appears monkeypox is no different. let's take a listen earlier this week when governor talked more about why he's refusing to declare an emergency in florida. >> do you see any of these politicians out there trying to scare you about this, do not listen to this. we are not doing fear we. we're not gonna rile people up
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and try to act like people can't live their lives as they've normally been doing. you see these states declaring states of emergency. they are going to abuse those emergency powers to restrict your freedom. i guarantee you that's what will happen. >> this is coming as florida now has the third highest case count of monkeypox behind new york in california, according to the florida department of public health, the latest number of monkeypox cases in the sunshine state at 1165. the cases have doubled in the past week. most of those cases are contained to south florida. the counties of miami and proud word, officials actually desantis -- are urging him to do more specifically to reach out to lgbtq communities and other communities at high risk for monkeypox. a state of emergency would give the governor additional powers
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and resources to deal with the monkeypox outbreak. but the florida department of public health spokesperson said that the department is doing just fine in dealing with the situation. in, fact the state officials have ordered the maximum doses of 72,000 from the federal government. those doses are expected to arrive here in florida staggered over the next couple of months between now and october. some officials fear that that may not be enough. essentially the state will be chasing this virus and will not have enough vaccines and doses to deal with it right out of the gate. there is a lot of criticism against governor desantis. but, again the florida department of health we -- one spokesperson says they're doing just fine for now keeping this contained. lindsey? >> nbc's, stephanie, stanton thank. you >> up, next with the health intelligence committee's request for a damage assessment seized by the fbi and mar-a-lago could reveal. i will talk to committee member,
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president has no declassification authority, and the idea that 18 months after the fact, donald trump could simply announce that he will retroactively get classifying whenever i to come. it's absurd. but nonetheless, the statutes that the justice department is asserting in the search warrant do not require that they still be classified, if they would be damaging to national security. it is a problem. >> that was house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff this morning disgusting claims by donald trump that he had declassified the documents seized by the fbi. it comes a day after schiff joined in a letter demanding a damage assessment for the director of national intelligence of those documents in question. i'm joined by another member of
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that committee, joaquin castro. congressman, good afternoon, thank you for joining us here. before we get to the damage assessment, we want to get your reaction to the breaking news that we have been following this afternoon. the fbi, warning of a spike in threats against will law enforcement in the wake of a search in more lago. how concerned are you? >> i'm very concerned. donald trump has ratcheted up the heat, and has at different times throughout his career, implicitly encouraged his supporters to carry out aggressive actions. and even violence, whether it was rallies or elsewhere. even the note that he apparently said to merrick garland, asking what he could do to lower the heat, i think was insincere. i'm quite concerned about it, and we saw what happened at the capitol this morning, and around the capitol. it's something that we'll have to watch for. >> do you think that some of
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your republican colleagues in the house have contributed to this? we had marjorie taylor greene saying that we should defund the doj. we had other members calling this a gestapo. >> first of, all i agree with dan crenshaw, the republican congressman from texas who said that those calls to defund the fbi make all of the people who are saying it, and the republican party, that part of the party that's saying. it looked unserious. it's unserious. it can also be dangerous. i think it has put a target on the back of the fbi agents who are carrying out their duties, and what president trump may be in violation of. it's a serious law. people are prosecuted for maintaining or taking away classified documents all the time. documents that, as chairman schiff said, is damaging to national security. i think they have made it more dangerous for elected officials,
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but also fbi agents. >> what do you hope to learn from this damage assessment that their chairman schiff has requested? >> i hope that we will get a sense of what kind of documents they were, and also whether those documents may have been compromised. the problem with having classified documents or damaging can national security documents at a beach resort. and the beach resort where you have hundreds of people going through their every day, you've got members of foreign nationals, and we don't know who is exposed to them, who had access. we don't know who the president shared them with. all of those things are problematic, and i'm hoping that the congress can get a better sense of that in the weeks and months ahead. >> nbc has a piece out quoting sources that say the chaotic nature of donald trump's exit from the white house contributed to sensitive documents being taken to mar-a-lago. other people say it is a pattern of doing this. when do you think about the
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evolution of excuses that we are hearing from trump and his supporters? >> it would be laughable if it was not so serious. the story keeps changing from planting evidence at mar-a-lago, and so forth, and now this idea that he somehow declassified all of those documents before he left. the facts are that his lawyer, or his legal team at least, signed a document saying that they had given back all of the classified documents to the national archives, when they were asked to. we know that that's not the case now. that's been very troublesome. but donald trump has never paid a price for what i think, a different points of his career have been criminal conduct. whether it is fraud with his charity, or university, he has never paid a criminal price. one of the ways that he avoids it is by changing his story over and over. and now marshaling the aggressiveness of his supporters to try and keep
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public officials from really honing in on him. >> is this different, congressman? >> i hope so. i hope he will be held accountable. if it was somebody else, they would be held accountable. i've been on the intelligence committee since 2016, six years. when we go into that secure facility, we cannot have our phone with us, we can't even have a fitbit. nobody who is an authorized to go in there can step foot in that facility. you've got to have a code to go in. the idea that this guy, who is a former president, had these documents in his office or at his home lying around, where other people can access them, perhaps even without his knowledge. that's a very serious thing for the united states. >> i want to ask, you congressman about the passing of the inflation reduction act. biden is said to sign it this week. we are part of it will resonate the most with voters? do you worry that people might not feel the impact of it immediately, in a time where it
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could mean a lot for democrats in the midterms? >> they will feel it and understand it here in the next weeks and months. but i will say, it was not just about doing something good to win an election. these are things that democrats have worked on for a long time. when i was on the house floor, i picked that one good part, one piece which was the piece on insulin. especially for hispanic americans, diabetes is a killer among has been a calm arrogance. this is going to cap the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month, but also will cap the out of pocket cost for prescription drugs at $2,000 a year. for a lot of our families who do not ask a lot of from the government, they're humble hardworking people who do their jobs and go home to their families. this is a big deal. it will be a lifesaver for a lot of people. >> before we let you go, we want to ask you about an encounter with a heckler when
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discussing the uvalde shooting this week. let's listen. >> take that weapon that was originally designed for use on the battlefield in vietnam, to penetrate and and it may soldiers helmet at 500 feet and knock you dead. up against kids at five feet, it might be funny to you, but it's not funny to me! >> that heckler was identified as a supporter of texas governor abbott, but like beto you have been a critic of how he has handled the aftermath of uvalde. what would you like to see done? >> i think that governor abbott is once again showing his incompetence, in the fact that he has failed the people of texas by his response to uvalde. governor abbott does not even mention uvalde anymore, he doesn't talk about the families, the impact. beth was right, after sutherland springs, the massacre in el paso, in uvalde, greg abbott has done nothing to make it harder for dangerous people to get dangerous weapons
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in their hands in texas. and so i think that he is on track to win the race in november. he's making a very close already. i think they've got a good chance of beating ken paxton, who is the current attorney general. and they've got a good chance to be panicked in patrick for governor. these republican leaders have failed the people of texas, have demonstrated incompetence, and have moved so far to the right. ken paxton is trying to make it so that he could not even save the life of a mother in a pregnancy where the pregnancy is threatening her life. they have taken away the exception on rape and incest for abortion in texas. more than 80% of texans disagree on them with that. they've gone so far to the right that most texans no longer feel like the republican party represents them. >> thank you for joining, us we appreciate your time.
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trump has no doubt circled on this calendar for sometime. its primary day in wyoming in the chief republican critic liz cheney is on the ballot. showing a bleak outlook for the vice chairman of the january six committee and her efforts to get the gop nomination. joining me right now, our political reporter for the casper star tribune. also joining me right now is bob check, the news director of wyoming public radio. so in your recent reporting in polls show that half of democrats in a recent photo say they would vote republican in the primary. do they have the power to do that without making any impact? >> based on how big the margin is between shayna and hageman right now, it doesn't look like
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it, but i think it's close to a few thousand democrats that can make a difference. are not a lot of democrats in the state and the power for cheney in terms of switching parties really lies and independents. >> this is clearly a referendum on cheney and how outspoken she has been against trump and january 6th. here's how she tried to deal with that in the campaign ad. >> like many candidates across this country, my opponents in wyoming had said that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. no one who understands our nations laws, no one with an honest, honorable genuine commitment to our constitution would say that. it is a cancer that threatens our great republic. if we do not condemn these lies, if we do not hold those responsible to account, we will be excusing this conduct, and it will become a feature of all elections. we are stronger, more dedicated and more determined than those trying to destroy our republic.
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this is our great task and we will prevail. i hope you will join me in this fight. >> obviously, we don't know the results yet, bob, but it appears that that is not resonating. >> no, roughly 40% of the university of wyoming has just conducted a couple of weeks ago showing that people are actually voting against liz cheney for a number of reasons, but those votes are certainly the big thing and undecideds are only a rare on ten 11%, they've been holding that way a couple of months. just a follow-up on what victoria said, it's really going to be a tough thing for the democrats making much of a difference, unless not only the republicans -- >> victoria, what do we know about harriet hageman, and cheney's opponent be on the fact that she's backed by trump? does she support the false claims that the election was stolen, the presidential election in 2020?
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>> big yes, she said publicly he other day for the first time that she believes that the election was rigged. in favor of joe biden, when i pressed her on, and she stopped short of saying that it was stolen. so i think that she is more comfortable in kind of holding back, a little bit. outside of that, i think people really like her. she is a fourth generation wyoming -- important devoto's -- voters here is eyeing her. she grew up on a ranch outside of fort wyoming. she talked about that a lot. she talks about her commitments to the ranchers and farmers, not just agriculturally, but i think that that resonates largely with voters. they bring it up very often. >> bob, you mentioned it's not looking good for liz cheney unless republicans may be far-right republican stay home. do you have any sense that that could happen? that the turnout might not be incredibly high for the primary? >> we do have some other races
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in this primary, a secretary of state's race, it's actually gotten quite a bit of attention and some of the races locally that will probably bring voters out and the conservative folks would like a couple of their folks to win. i really do think that will draw those voters out, and that's probably not good news for listing. >> bob, hard any sense that for liz cheney this could be a part of a larger strategy here perhaps running for an independent down the road or presidential in the future? >> i don't think it's part of her strategy to lose but i do think that she is not going to be finished after this. she'll show up in some way. believe her she says she will do whatever it takes to keep donald trump from ever becoming president again. she will be involved in some fashion, i can assure you. >> victoria evs, and brought back. thank you for your time. >> coming up next, one man's surprising and heartbreaking realization when he stumbled on
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and more than 1100 books. that's just between july of 2021 and march of this year. with these numbers on illustrate here is the human toll and to that point, nbc news spoke to weston brown and we came across this video. one day while scrolling on twitter it shows women calling for their removal of which she labeled as controversial books from the local library in a north texas school district. -- his chest tightened, because the woman speaking in that video was his own mother. the same woman he said who'd removed pages from science books when he was a child to keep him and his siblings from seeing illustrations of male and female anatomy. the woman who had always warned that reading the worn books or watching the wrong movies can open the door to sinful temptation. and when he said about effectively cut him off from his family for years after he came out as gay. excuse me, four years ago. joining me right now is weston
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brown. weston, thank you for sharing your story with us. i want you to take me back to that moment when you saw the video. tell me what was going through your head. >> thank you for having me. gosh, i guess it was just a lot of shock and surprise to see all the issues that my mom of all people could be campaigning against. it was trying to remove them books. it was overwhelming, honestly. i remember kind of just going back to that moment, seeing it and saying, this can't be real. there's no way. that she speaking in front of a board and trying to remove the stories. >> this is painful. it's complicated when you have family members like this, and i know it was not your intention to just air out all your families dirty laundry on twitter, but why was it important for you to speak up about this?
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>> for the longest time i kind of need peace with the fact that we had our differences. the difference being who i am and my parents difference being with a belief. i was at peace with that. i had moved on and a lot of ways and began to build my chosen family and that story was something i was just between us but seeing my mom doing this plug public platform, it seems we're only harmful between our family but when you take it beyond to school and kids and activate their local community to silence this. i felt i had an obligation to share that. i think one of my guiding motivations is to be the person that i needed so badly when i was younger. i realize that that person would share the story >> so your mom kind of became an advocate on one side. you're becoming an advocate on
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the other. talk to me about some of the books that you've heard her and many other people across the country ban and why you think it's important to keep them -- we're talking about maintaining the availability of them in the libraries. >> so, in the simplest statement i could say, i find a deeply troubling that anyone would let their religious views dictate another person's access to information. and then to try to pick and choose which human stories can or cannot be talked about. i quickly brought myself up to speed on books that are banned and i would cover to cover and i've only found shared experience of human stories -- books can come with trigger warnings that discussed sensitive topics, making sure they talk about, and none of it -- contained inappropriate images or content that is skewed toward children that is meant to be erotic or arousing in
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some way. it's just educational, and some with simply say, this is my name, this is my story. so important to see that representation. especially for the queer community that already locks in representation and so many ways. so to see that little bit of representation, and a stand out to see that fight against. and maligned. saying this is grooming and some of the other really wild accusations. as someone who experienced -- i grew up in a perfectly curated environment, no access to internet or television. i couldn't get library books on my own. i was home schooled all the way through high school. my parents heavily discouraged college education, blah, blah, blah. i assumed who i was and still knew what was going through my mind even within all of that. it's really important to me big -- hearing those experiences would have made a world of difference for me. it's just the education. >> weston brown, thank you so much. i'm sorry we will have to leave it there. but thank you for coming on and
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telling us your story. i appreciate it. that wraps it up for me this hour. i'm lindsay for that -- simone starts right now. that - simone starts right now. >> readings. you're watching simone. former president trump's handling of secret documents. were people in his orbit and his camp long before they executed a search warrant? the from officials telling abc news. his caviling -- were getting into it with our political panel. plus, many republicans are aggressively defending trump after the fbi search and some members of congress even call to defund or even destroy the fbi. now the fbi and the department of homeland security tell nbc news they issued an intelligence bulletin about being -- federal law enforcement. we will talk
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