and a judge denying the trump organization's request to put out a criminal case against this former cfo, and of course the fbi search and seizure at mar-a-lago. so much to get to the next hour of the many hassan show begins right now. of the many hassan show begins right now. >> i'm many house, and back with you for another news alanel since. on thursday. u.s. attorney general a merrick garland stepped in front of the cameras of the justice department to announce he personally approved the decision the secret warrant to search trump's florida home and that it was filing in court to have

the country is on fire, what can i do to reduce the heat? that picks up on everything we see from the donald, that's classic trump. the former president is not somebody that will reduce the heat simply because he can or should, as a leader, an elder statesman. instead, trump back channels a nefarious message that sounds like a threat and a transaction. he was saying, in effect, according to this report, i'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. only it seems that merrick garland did refuse trump's offer, and since thursday, he has done nothing to reduce the heat with predictable consequences. on thursday, unarmed trump supporter who attacked the fbi field office, in cincinnati ohio was killed after a six hour standoff. and just this morning, a man that crashed his car into a barricade outside of the u.s. capitol before firing shots into the air from his burning

car, and then turning the gun on himself. he turned the gun on himself. and breaking tonight, a new joint intelligence bulletin from the fbi and the department of homeland security, warns of a surge in threats and cause for violence against law enforcement officers and government personnel. according to nbc's kelly o'donnell, the bulletin includes the following passage. these threats are occurring online, at the cross multiple platforms. including social media sites, web forums, video sharing platforms and imageboards. instead of defusing the heat since monday's fbi search of mar-a-lago, he has been all but squirting lighter fluid on the flames. on his own web platform, trump accused the fbi of having, quote, and on long and unrelenting history of being corrupt. look back to the days of j everard hoover, he says. i probably aside, what do we know about the fbi search, and the files that were found at his home, now that the warrant has been unsealed? the court filing shows that

agents of mar-a-lago found 11 sets of classified documents. there exist for brad levels of government documents. four sets of the files were top secret, three sets were secret, and three sets were confidential. the team has been desperate to -- declassified all of the documents before he left the white house, meaning while he was still president, through d flight classification superpowers. >> president trump, as a sitting president, has the unilateral authority for declassification. he can stand over a set of documents, and say that these are quite declassified. i'm sorry, trump appointee turned children's book author, but a sitting president cannot just say i declassify, while waving his hands over a file folder. it doesn't work that way. we also know that the warrant at fbi agent pursuing national defence information, and that investigators had probable

cause relating to three federal laws between violation of the espionage act, violations they don't depend upon material being declassified, versus declassified. by the way, prior to this search, according to the times in june. trump's lawyer had signed a document saying that they had already returned all of the boxes of classified documents at mar-a-lago. democratic senator amy klobuchar questioned how those boxes were able to make it out of the white house in the first place. >> one of the statues they used in the search warrant was the espionage act. another one was that you cannot destroy federal documents, or you cannot take federal documents out of secure locations. as a senator, i know when i look at the classified documents, i've got to go in a special room, and i can't even wear my fitbit. >> to be fair, i don't think that the former president has a fitbit. people familiar with the search told the washington post that agents were looking for the

classified documents about nuclear weapons. trump supporting republicans would rather talk about anything else right now. literally, anything else. >> i think that most republicans would prefer to look right now at the 2022 midterms coming up. we would much prefer to focus on what the policies are right now that are putting our economy -- >> you heard the man. the party that once claimed to be the party of national security now no longer cares about classifying documents going missing. she wants -- now wants to dismantle the fbi for daring to execute the search warrant. the party of president abraham lincoln and dwight eisenhower is now the party of a former president potentially under investigation for violations of the espionage act. here with me now to discuss all of this and more, is olivia troye, former homeland security adviser to vice president mike pence. now chief political strategist for the renew america moment, and joe walsh, who tried to run

against donald trump in the gop primaries the last time around. thank you for both joining me. olivia, the fbi and the home department of homeland security have this bulletin, something called a joint intelligence bulletin, warning about the quote, potential for domestic violence extremists to carry out attacks in reaction to the search of the florida home. we have witnessed trump's silence in response to the violence so far. there is also reported over to the ag, i could turn down the heat. does it feel like 16 all over again, this idea of trump sitting in the dining room, letting the violence unfold? >> he knows exactly what he's doing. he knows that he is pouring fuel on the fire. and he knows when he says things, his words matter, and his orders follow him to a tee. and they acted on it. the one thing that i'm grateful for is the dhs and the national

security -- they are actually working now, and they have been able to speak freely. and they have leaders who do put out such a warning, because of moments prior to january 6th, as you recall, these things did not actually happen. that is by the book, it should be on their. it just goes to show that there has been an entire pattern here the last week leading up to this moment. we are seeing it being carried out at different facilities, and giving warnings about how dangerous this is for law enforcement right now. >> yes, indeed. it is a very dangerous moment right now. joe, every time i think your former gop colleagues in congress cannot embarrass themselves more, cannot humiliate themselves more on behalf of the former president, they do. i want to play you mike turner, the ranking member of the host intelligent committee this morning, being asked about classified materials on cnn. take a listen. >> do you take home documents, marked special access? >> no.

>> no. and yet he spends the rest of the interview still defending donald trump. >> this may be an inappropriate thing to say, but i find it so funny watching my former colleagues twist into pretzels trying to defend criminal behavior. and that is what they have done for the last six years, and to your prior question, into olivia's answer. she's right. it does not get said enough. donald trump wanted january 6th to happen. that was the whole point of this stolen election lie. trump wanted there to be chaos, and he wanted there to be violence if he lost that election. the same thing, don mehdi, is going on this week. he wants there to be violent threats, and he wants there to be violence against members of the fbi. i know this is really difficult

for all of us to grasp, but this is exactly what trump wants. and he is the leader of that party, and members of that party have to try to defend that. >> and olivia, a party that seized the white house in 2016, after backing a campaign that obsessed over hillary clinton's emails, over hillary clinton's handling of classified information. they now pretend that this is all it makes up a very late library being returned. that was mike turner's analogy earlier in the week. you have already spoken about your experience in the trump white house, coming across classified materials in places that they should not have been. where, exactly? >> i found it in the ladies'room. i guess somebody was doing light reading while they were doing their duties. i did find it on a shelf. i remember being confused at the fact that there were papers

sitting there. when i pick them up, i saw them, and i saw that they were marked classified. i literally put them in the -- and i walked them to security. that's where you're supposed to do. when you have the clearance, and are handling this information, you have a responsibility. whether you are the one transporting it or not. when you see this kind of thing, you have a responsibility to report it or protected. and flag, it file, it and go on record. that's exactly what i did. they asked how long it had been there, and i said your guess is as good as mine. the fact of the matter is, on the white house grounds, people from the general public can be walking around, people who have no business reading this information. that is just one example, the mehdi, then i can talk about when it came to handling this kind of stuff. >> and we can laugh about, look at these documents, look at donald trump tearing stuff up. maybe putting it in a toilet, allegedly. it's not funny, though, it's a

reflection of an authoritarian mindset this is the rules and laws don't apply to. as we can do whatever we want. and that seems to be the mindset inside of that white house that you served in for a while. >> yes, and actually when i find a completely offensive is the plane disregard for the fact that there are national security people who sacrifice that kind of overseas, the family sacrifice. when this information can possibly get into the wrong hands, into the hands of adversaries who might act upon it. and i think, you know, it goes to show that there were a lot of individuals who really had no real respect or understanding about what it takes to serve our country, and what it takes to be in the military, what it takes to be an intelligence committee. they don't care. that's what's so upsetting, from the top down. with that leadership style. the circle of people that were just so arrogant, and so disrespectful of the place that they were working. and then the office that they

were working in. it didn't matter, they don't take those things into account. >> they were just moving the document to the winter white house in florida, the ridiculous that they use on the right. joe, when you came on the show earlier this week, on peacock, on this show the day after the story broke. you are worried that this would help trump in 2024. do you still feel that way, a few days later? >> yes. and mehdi, i want to make this clear, i feel like i always have to say this. he broke the law, and no man is above the law. he should be indicted for this, and should be indicted for a whole host of things. but purely, mehdi, on the politics of this, within the republican party, it is sad that this has strengthened trump within the party. the party is, and has united around him. that is another really difficult thing that, again, just the politics, --

>> joe, you don't think that ron desantis, the rhonda santas figure, the tom cotton figure, the things we can finally use this against trump that might work? >> no, they all jumped on trump's bandwagon this week, desantis, and cotton, and pence. what did they all do? they all attacked the fbi. they all said, which hunt again, that this is what happens in a banana republic. they are like neutered right now, mehdi, all of these republicans, because they can only stand with him. the voters are with him right now. >> olivia, one last quick question. a double question, linked. one, do you agree with joe than the strength and him within the old party? and, two are we close to a trump indictment after this week, or no? >> it pains me to agree with joe, because i think that he is right.

i think that we have seen this time and time again, where they rally behind trump and show the vision. i was upset to actually see mike pence, when he tweeted. i was thinking, you know better than this, and how desperate are you to go back in line, and say this when you know that this is about the rule of law. do you not know about justice anymore? i think everybody watching this should remember, this when all of the narratives, whatever, should trump be held accountable, when they suddenly flip the script and try to hold up the rule of law. the department of justice is carrying out their responsibilities, things like that. i'm sure you'll see some of that if they actually do hold him accountable. i don't know what will happen, and will come of this, but i certainly hope that there will be accountability. i don't care how powerful you are, or wet job you held, i think it really is about making sure that there is accountability, and justice.

that's why there is a nation of laws, a nation of america. i hope that we hold up that pillar. >> it's the one where that has followed trump around for four or five decades of his career, accountability, and lack of. it olivia troye, joe walsh, thank you both, as ever. much appreciated. >> ahead, my conversation with democratic congresswoman susan wild, about what some are being called the best month of joe biden's entire presidency. that's next, don't go away. hotics use foot mapping technology to give you personalized support, for all-day pain relief. find your relief in store or online. ice cream is like whooping cough, it's not just for kids. whooping cough is highly contagious for people of any age. and it can cause violent uncontrollable coughing fits. ask your doctor or pharmacist about whooping cough vaccination because it's not just for kids. - [narrator] technology transformed the way we talk.

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former president donald trump had to the fbi search of mar-a-lago, was that it was politically motivated. he and his supporters claim that president biden ordered the search of his home. not only is that theory otter nonsense, the biden administration didn't even say that they got a heads up the search was going to happen. but of all of the weeks in biden's presidency, this week

was definitely not one that would want to be overshadowed by news about donald trump. on friday, the house passed the inflation reduction act, a huge win for the biden administration and democratic party. this came to after he signed a historic bill into law that expands health care benefits for veterans exposed to toxic burn pits. and there is a week in which a new ballet poll from fox that shows the midterm race is tightening. republicans and democrats are now dead, even with 41% -- and 41% saying that they would support a republican. that is huge progress for democrats, who were done behind seven points in the same poll in may. and so, my next guest is in a swing district. come november, and here she is, right before she voted for the inflation reduction act. joining me now is democratic congresswoman susan wild of pennsylvania. congresswoman, thank you so much back to the show.

let's put aside this legal chaos for a second, even without the trump news, do you feel like things are looking up for democrats in november? >> i think that -- there goes my dog, right on cue. if the polls are showing a continuation of white people are recognizing, the democrats have done for them since last year, starting with the american rescue plan, where we did so much to help businesses bounce back from pandemic, and on to the bipartisan infrastructure law, which was a few months ago. the bipartisan gun safety act, the chips of science act, the pact act to help veterans exposed to burn pits. and of course, most recently, the inflation reduction act. what we are seeing now is a recognition of everything the democrats have done for the american people. >> but would you -- like are you going to run on as somebody in a swing district

come november? do you run on infrastructure and inflation reduction act? do you run on abortion rights and -- do you write in on donald trump and the state of our democracy, the january 6th hearings, and the state of mar-a-lago? >> i run on what i have done and the people in my district know full well that since the first day i was in congress, would i have worked on the hardest is lowering the cost of prescription drugs. hallelujah, here we are, it's finally starting to happen. and they know me for that. it's a signature issue for me. but in addition to that, they know that i have worked incredibly hard on mental health bills. they know that we have recently now have a 988 suicide hotline that i worked on with one of my colleagues. they know that i've been working nonstop for a manufacturer in a district that depends very much on manufacturing. the chips and science act will be huge in my district. those are the things that i'm

going to be running on. >> and so it's not negative that -- but we'll put that aside for another day. we've talked about prescription drugs before. -- this time they did not block it, thankfully, but it's not good getting done right away. how do you persuade americans, when they won't see benefits for several years? >> i'm always very transparent with my voters, and i talked to them very candidly about these things. remember, this is a huge development. we have never managed to make any progress on negotiation of medicaid and drug prices. this is the first time in decades. you chip away that at these things, and it's frustrating for people who want everything done at once but. this is how product is made. we've been working, and not

just, we but before i came to congress they were working on relief for veterans who had developed these horrible cancers as a result of cancers -- we finally got it done. this is how legislation works. it is a lot slower than people would like, but on the other hand, we have the absolute pattern here that is showing nothing except a concern for american people. the average american person over the big interests. >> congresswoman, i'm going to ask you a question. it's a very simple question. do you believe that joe biden should be the president next time around? do you think he should run as the democratic nominee? a lot of your colleagues have wrapped themselves up in pretzels trying to answer this question in recent days. what is your view? should he be running in 2024? >> mehdi, i'm going to answer that with a tale for you. it's going to be short. let me, say i don't know where he will be in two years. i'm very focused on this year. but i saw president biden at

the white house, just a few days ago at the signing of the pact act. with veterans, throughout the room, i personally pulled a veteran over to the president because he was so anxious to show the president the picture of his wife who had died of multiple myeloma, following exposure to burn pits. the president took the time, and five full minutes, and embraced this man, talk to him privately. he is a good and decent man. he cares about the american people. this has been a tough couple of years, we are coming out of a pandemic. i don't need to tell you everything that he has been faced with. this is a genuinely good hearted, caring person whose only interest is the american people, and making sure that we do right by them. >> a caring person who you want to run for president again in 2024? >> if he runs, i will evaluated

at that time. but right now, i have seen nothing but every reason to support him. >> last quick question, i have to ask you about the news from washington, d.c. this morning. a man drove his car into a capitol barricade, but and took his own life. your reaction to this horrific news? the latest attack in d.c.. >> my first reaction, mehdi, and a lot of things have happened at the capitol over the last couple of years. my first reaction was, we have to do something about mental health in this country. clearly, that man was having -- i think it was 4 am, i don't remember if he rammed his car into a number of objects, and then got out and started shooting. clearly, a mental health crisis. so many people are facing the same kind of thing, and so many people have mental health issues that do not bring them to then. i was very said to hear about it, because it was just very

emblematic of what we need to do a lot more about, in this country. >> congresswoman susan wild, thank you as, ever for your time. we appreciated. >> thank, you mehdi. >> coming, up them warning that a group of historians had in person for president biden when it comes to voting rights, and the survival of american democracy. but first, richard louis is here with the headlines. >> good, evening mehdi, we want to go to some breaking news. the fbi and department of homeland security just released a joint intelligence bulletin, warning that threats to law enforcement have spiked since the fbi searched the mar-a-lago residents of trump. they are reading, quote, some of the threats are specific and identify and proposed targets, tactics, and weaponry. the fbi also noted that personal and identifying information of possible targets of violence, such as home addresses, identification of family members, is submitted online as additional targets. they searched the mar-a-lago resort last monday, and pro

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made to be heard. not seen. president biden undemocratic or taking a well deserved victory lap on the recent bills they passed through congress. let's not forget what they have not passed. the freedom to vote act and the john lewis voting rights act. crucial bills that died in the senate, thank you filibuster. this week, president biden met with a group of historians to remind them the importance of fighting democracy in america. according to the washington post. this is the group biden met with, among them regular nbc contributors, john meacham and michael beschloss, all burying distinguish, evidently qualified historians, but you'll note they all have something in common. you think the president might

have wanted to hear from a black historian or scholar. black americans are being hit hardest by the attacks on voting rights, and always have been, throughout american history. we thought we would one ask one of -- if they had been invited, joining me now is carole anderson, a professor and chair of the african american studies department and author of the acclaimed work, one person, no vote, how voter suppression is destroying our democracy. carol, thank you for coming back on the show. simple first question. what would you have said to joe biden if you had attended that meeting? >> i would have said we have been here before and what happened was not pretty. i think about reconstruction. here, coming out of the civil war, and we get these constitutional amendments, and we get these laws that are about stealing the citizenship, sanctioning the citizenship of black folk. you get this massive wave of violence, and you get supreme

court decisions, and you get the kind of timidity she of the north in terms of protecting black citizenship rights. that hurled us into jim crow, and it hurled us into where you had millions of black people basically living in fascist states where they didn't have voting rights, or they didn't have rights to health care, agitation. we've been here before. it wasn't good for america. it wasn't good for americans. it wasn't good for democracy. >> carol, i wonder, do you feel like elected democrats, activist groups, even big chunks of the quote, unquote, liberal media, have kind of moved on from the freedom to vote and john lewis voting rights acts on the basis that the filibuster is not going to change. manchin and sinema are never gonna budge, but moving on from the problem does not change the fact that the problem still exists. that the midterms are still going to be affected by gerrymandering, voter

suppression and election subversion. >> i think that one of the things they have to think about is how good they felt when they passed the inflation reduction act. and they passed it in a senate and they passed it in the senate because of that massive grassroots organizing and mobilizing that happened for over a decade in georgia. that flipped a senate and give america the possibility of dealing with these major issues like climate change. so to think about that feeling and wet it took and to know there is this massive backlash against that mobilizing, against that -- having black folks come out and vote. that's with the january 6th insurrection was about. it was about black folks voting. when they said they stole the election and atlanta, they stole it in philadelphia. they stole it and detroit. they stole it and milwaukee,

where they were saying that black folks had the audacity to vote she. so if it is going to require the democrats to really feel that power that they felt when they passed that inflation reduction act, i think about how they really got their, and it was about the votes. so to feel that again, they're going to have to do it. >> one of the ways the way able to pass it was they passed it under reconciliation, which means simple majority, which means you don't have to worry about the filibuster. but when it comes to voting, writes the filibuster blocks. you need 60. i do have to ask the question. joe biden did a great job getting the infrastructure bipartisan bill passed to get impact on, to getting checks done, to getting the quote unquote ira done, but when it comes to the beloved filibuster and voting, right see only came out against -- correct me if i'm wrong, january of this year after a new year, a year into his presidency. people said joe manchin will never budge on the filibuster. people said he would not budge on climate money, but he did, and i wonder if joe biden had

started much earlier pushing for getting rid of the filibuster on voting rights, maybe we might be in a different place. maybe. it's a fact that cannot prove, but i wonder. >> me too. voting is so essential to the vibrancy of american democracy. i think part of the way is that it has been understood is that this is about black folks only. this is about american democracy. when we have a vibrant, multi racial, month multi ethnic, multi religious democracy that is just pinning together where people are able to elect their representatives, then that is when it's working. we've got to think about this as a fight for american democracy. when we're thinking about it in those terms, they have something like the filibuster sitting up there, short-circuiting american democracy, we've got to reframe the conversation. >> well said. professor carroll, always a

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delivered to congress on july the 4th, 1821, john quincy adams, it secretary of state and sixth president of the united states said america, quote, goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. but two decades earlier, his newly independent country had already contradicted him. in 1801, the u.s. and its first foreign war for entirely overseas. the first barbara war was a conflict between the united states and tripoli located in modern-day libya. after pirates from the barbree states seized american merchant ships and held its crew for ransom, presidential must thomas jefferson fought back -- the 1805, after a series of battles, the united states formed an alliance for the deposed brother of tripoli's leader and soon emerged victorious. the conflict has been viewed by some scholars as the first u.s. attempt in a coup d'état through military interventionism. we all know it was not the last. this week, and your report

asked for the first time, actually quantified americas interventions abroad. researchers from the military intervention project found that between 1776 and 2019, the u.s. launched almost 400 military interventions. with half of those operations undertaken just in the wake of world war ii, between 1950 and 2019, in fact, over 25% of them actually occurred during the post cold war period. just within the last three decades, around 100 interventions. according to the research, the post 9/11 era has already become the third most militarist ugly active period and all of u.s. history. now, these numbers may come as a shock to some of you, and that's because sadly, most americans seem to live in complete denial about the sheer number of military operations executed abroad by our government, whether it's a republican government or a democratic government. i should be clear, some

american intervention has been a lot of good. is a british american, i can undoubtedly say the u.s. helped save the united kingdom and western europe when it eventually intervene in world war ii against the nazis. in more recent years, many would say the u.s. led nato intervention kosovo in -- may have helped prevent a potential genocide. some would even argue or should have been more intervention by the united states in places like rwanda, where 1994 members of the tutsi minority were slaughtered by hutu exclude stream this while the clinton administration stood by and did nothing. but overall, tragically, in terms of lives lost and money wasted, america's military balance she does not look so great. just ask the iraqis for example. the afghans who have had to suffer horribly as a result of american military interventions and invasions in the wake of 9/11. tomorrow, monday august the 15th, marks one year since kabul fell to the taliban as u.s. troops finally withdrew

from that country. look, it's still an open argument about whether we should or should not have gone into afghanistan in 2001, in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, but no one can seriously deny that those 20 years of war, our longest war, proved to be a tragic, tragic waste of blood and treasure. both american and afghan. we left behind a poverty stricken country in the hands of an undefeated taliban with a number of civilian casualties on the increase and drug production she up as well. every time we end a disastrous war abroad, we say wow, that was a lesson learned. then after the briefest of pauses, we go and do it all again and another country. it's endless war. after almost 250 years and nearly 400 military interventions overseas, i have to ask, has the united states actually learned any lessons? we will discuss that next with

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taliban took over kabul, the capital the canister. they did that america's longest war would finally come to an end. a new study puts that were on the united states's long history of military interventions almost 400 in total into context. joining me to discuss at all this peter. a professor at the school of journalism of the city college of new york. he's also the editor at large for the jewish currents and msnbc political analyst. doug it is called the binary notebook. peter, thanks for joining me this evening. i want to get your reaction to the top lines from that study. almost 400 military interventions and total with half occurring since world war ii, a quarter since the end of the cold war. wasn't the end of the cold war supposed to bring peace to the

u.s.? >> that lasted to stick is the most remarkable, right? america's major global competitor, a major threat goes away. we are in a unipolar era. if you are threats and all of a sudden america's intervening more, which i think tells us that are a tendency to intervene is not actually related to how much of a threat that is posed to us. it is really related is whether america has a free hand. a truth is, when the soviet union went away and became easier for america to intervene around the world, because we did not have another global superpower that was preventing us from doing so, and so we became more promiscuous and our military interventions and we had before. >> it's a very good point. these numbers might be surprising to some in the u.s.. but it hardly comes as a shock to the rest of the world. there is a disconnect between the american awareness of our wars abroad and the rest of the world's awareness, and it's

that american, foreign to a better word, ignorant of the foreign policy that the hawks in washington d.c. exploit is not? >> very much so. when americans -- think about american foreign policy, they think about it in a very euro-centric way. i think we fought the nazis. we defeated them. that was great. we stood down the soviets. that was great, to. but people in the rest of the world think about what america was doing outside of europe. what we did in indonesia and what we did in vietnam. all of the regimes we overthrew in latin america. all of the coups and civil wars we fueled in africa. the cold war is told as a rosy story in the united states because it's focused on the fact that eastern europe eventually broke free from the soviet union, which is a wonderful thing, but when you look at the global south, what you see is all too often, the people that america supported were no better than besides the people that the soviet union supported, and it produced enormous, enormous suffering.

all over what we call the developing world. and those stories are rarely focused on in american foreign policy conversation. >> we talked about hawks in washington d.c. in there's a hawkish consensus. i have to point out. you were a high-profile liberal supporter of the iraq war back in 2003. you have since recanted, regretted your support for that war. as you and i have discussed before, how much of your support for that war was driven by a need to conform with a political and media and stab lisman america that we seize military action as noble and necessary as the only way to solve our problems -- how much was big group thinking and peer pressure to do with that support? >> just speaking of myself, i think i heard a book about this called the -- i felt i had to really dive deep to understand why had been so long. for me it had to do a lot with the coming of age after the end of the cold war and these

military successes in the gulf war of 91. bosnia and 95. kosovo and 99. in which i very wrongly to the impression that the american military actually could be this very affected force for making america safer and for promoting democracy and human rights. that grew and grew like las vegas -- my book is about hubris, i think i was suffering from a tremendous amount of hubris and i was not the only one. >> let's talk about afghanistan. supposedly it was always called the good war compared to iraq. we ended it last year. new intelligence brought out this weekend found that al-qaeda has not reconstituted its presence in that country. poses little threat against the u.s. and on top of that you have the biden administration killing al-qaeda's top leader in kabul. after his death, instead of acknowledging it, you don't need a military presence on the

ground to kill a top terrorist. if the republicans simply spin it as, see, this shows afghanistan has become a terrorist haven? it shows the threat is still there. you simply can't win with some types of hawks. they still find a reason to intervene. >> yes, it's exactly right. one of the problems we have. you just asked me a tough question about why should we listen to you? iran about this thing. this is the kind of thing -- this doesn't happen in the media. and one of the things people could do a steak hawkish positions on some new conflict, whether it's a run, say that we were wrong to withdraw from afghanistan, and not be held accountable for the positions before. i don't think you have had to get gotten everything, right but if you got something wrong, you have to be able to explain what you've learned from it. that is something that really doesn't have been nearly enough in these conversations. people are not forced to actually reckon with what they've learned for things they were wrong about in the past. >> big it's a very good point. you could always fail upwards

in the u.s. foreign policy community. i mean, we have a president who also backed the iraq war. he later apologized, but i'll give this to joe biden, he did end the war in afghanistan, which none of his predecessors did. i appreciate it, peter. and thank you to the rest of you for watching tonight. we will be right back here next sunday at 8 pm eastern. you could find this show on the msnbc on peacock, stream it anytime and you episodes of the myth he has some show on peacock will post every evening on monday through thursday. do stick around on msnbc right now for 11 the constitution. that's next. it's also streaming on peacock. for now, for me, have a good night. for now, for me, have a good nigh nigh t. my grandma never mentioned this, but her first job was working at a five and dime, when she was only 16 years old. it's all right there in the census. see where a few details can lead with the 1950 census on ancestry. ♪ got my hair got my head ♪ see introducing newils one a day multi+.

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