hello. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. today, former president trump has one explanation after another, at least three that we know of, as he tries to justify having top-secret documents at his florida home. it comes as nbc news reports the fbi and homeland security have issued a new five-pages-long intelligence document, warning about the alarming spike in threats against federal and local law enforcement since the mar-a-lago search. critics say trump himself may have fueled some of that rage, by accusing fbi agents of

planting evidence at mar-a-lago. then, after it was revealed the documents were classified, trump's team said he had taken them home to work on them, falsely claiming that president obama had done the same. then, this third reason why it was okay from trump's team, quote, he had a standing order that documents were moved from the oval office, taken to the residence, were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them. former national security adviser john bolton told nbc news this. >> i think that claim is almost certainly a lie. i was never aware of anything even remotely approximaing that policy and haven't heard anything of it since i left. so i think this is made up. and i think a key point here is when somebody is making up stories like that, i think it indicates a level of desperation. >> as we try to figure out why and how those classified documents ended up at mar-a-lago, nbc news has uncovered new details about the

final days of the trump presidency and the last-minute frenzy of packing that went along with it. quote, west wing aides and government movers frantically tossed documents and other items into banker boxes that were shipped to a storage room at his mar-a-lago club in florida, along with other previously packed records set aside by trump, sometimes erratically so, according to two sources with outgoing of trump's move and records issues. some of the boxes contained documents with sensitive materials that the federal government appears to consider so important to national security that fbi agents monday took the unprecedented step of executing a search warrant. today lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are ramping up attempts to find out just how sensitive those documentses are. top democrats on the house intelligence committee are calling on the dni to do a damage assessment, to see if trump's actions endangered national security. and according to axios, the top democrat and republican on the senate intelligence committee want to see those documentses

for themselves. of course, all of this is unfolding on the eve of more huge primary races, where allegiance to donald trump is, again, a driving factor. in wyoming, where liz cheney is trying to hold on to her job, and in alaska, where sarah palin is trying for a political comeback. we've got so much to talk about. i want to bring in nbc justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian. mark caputo is an nbc political reporter. jonathan lemire is host of "way too early" on msnbc, and charles coleman. welcome all. ken, let's start with this joint fbi/dhs bulletin. should we infer the sheer number of threats was concerning, that who they were coming from is what was most worrying? is it both? and do we have any insight into the nature of the threats? >> yeah, chris, it's all of the above. and even before the fbi put out

this joint intelligence bulletin with dhs, we were hearing from private firms, who were seeing a huge uptick in specific credible threats against federal agents last week. and just so focus understand, this is not about angry rhetoric on social media. there's a lot of that all the time. these are specific threats, sometimes including the names of fbi agents, the names of their family members, their addresses, descriptions of specific fbi facilities. we also have, chris, a separate intelligence document that quotes from a couple of things they've seen. and they cite one example of a user on a chat room saying, we will make the peaceful protests of january 6th look like a tea party. and also referencing january 6th, at user says, they think january 6th was bad. ha, they aren't dumb enough to try to arrest trump. it's clearly in reaction to the fbi's search at mar-a-lago, and it's coming amid really hot rhetoric from mainly republican politicians, one comparing the

fbi to the gestapo. even today, house republicans putting out a preservation request, where they accuse the biden administration without evidence of weaponizing the justice department. so these threats are coming out of a milieu of mainstream republicans aiming very pointed rhetoric at the fbi and the justice department. >> it seems, jonathan, to sort of point to a split within the republican party, right? you've got this outrage from republicans, saying the things, as we just heard, but in some cases, others toning it down a little in recent days. and in fact, "the new york times" says, quote, some senior republicans have been warned by allies of mr. trump not to continue to be aggressive in criticizing the justice department and the fbi over the party, because it is possible that more damaging information related to the search will become public. talk a little bit about that and what we're seeing and hearing from republicans. >> well, this is a party, of course, republicans, that likes to fancy itself as one that

supports law enforcement, that always backs the blue. and of course, we saw that a lot of donald trump supporters on january 6th did the exact opposite of that, attacking capitol police officers. and now have we've had some incendiary rhetoric here from republicans in recent days, some even suggesting that the fbi should be defunded. but you are right that there is now a split. while initially it seems virtually every republican, including those that have been very critical of donald trump, since he left office, to have denounced or at least questioned the raid, that includes mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader, who has no love for trump at this point, that includes some 2024 hopefuls, who might be considering challenging trump, even if the former president were to run again. but some of those voices have gone quieter in recent days, as more details have come out about this, as trump's story continues to shift, as explanation as become seemingliless credible by the day, as to why these documents were found there at mar-a-lago. and some republicans are nervous. they're nervous about what else

could be uncovered, but also nervous about the impact it may have on this fall's midterms, particularly if this, if trump decides that in order to counteract this, he needs to declare his candidacy for president, a lot of gop members that i speak to say that would be the worst thing that it could be for the party, trump would be a distraction and shift the focus from what they want to talk about, things like inflation, president biden's record, et cetera. >> so how we got here, mark, your reporting shows that from the beginning, trump's handling of official documents was, quote, slap dash and ad hoc, kind of a pattern, right, we've seen over many years, even before he was president. >> right, there were stories actually in politico, most famously, of donald trump taking documents, ripping them up, and throwing them on the floor. now, these weren't top-secret documents, but these are things that were supposed to be preserved under the presidential records act. they had to have aides tape them back together. john bolton had told us like, god knows what he would do with

intelligence documents. he had a habit of just grabbing them. you combine this penchant of his with his penchant for being what people call a pack rat. he likes to store things. memorabilia, things he thought were interesting. there's also a theory that some of the things he liked to grab were intelligence documents, secret documents, classified memoranda and the like, concerning the investigations into him. he had all of these things that he either packed ahead of time or on his last days in the white house. and there was this kind of frantic exit and various things were thrown in boxes. all of a sudden, all of this stuff ends up in a storage room in mar-a-lago, and eventually, the national archives realizes things are missing. the january 6th commission had requested some of these documents, which helped to spur this investigation. the next thing you know, you have the fbi executing an unprecedented search warrant at the home of a former president, who is more than likely going to be a future gop presidential nominee. and once again, we're in

unchartered waters and donald trump is sort of the captain of that ship. >> charles, as a legal matter, whether or not this was a long-standing practice. whether or not he says now, oh, i was going to declassify anything that i took home. whether or not he took it home, meaning to the residence, to work, does any of that matter from a legal perspective? >> it doesn't, chris. that's the simple and plain answer. donald trump has discovered that basically, it's harder to hit a moving target, which is why you see these shifting explanations continue to emerge as this story continues to develop and evolve. in the court of public opinion, it may make a difference. now you have multiple stories that people are latching on to and it's created a bigger, sort of cacophony of noise that's out there. but with respect to legally, no, it does not make a difference. you have broken the law. the biggest question that has to be answered here is whether merrick garland or the doj will find the equity of the balance shift or bend in a way that lends itself more advantageous to actually prosecute trump,

given the sensitive nature of everything that's at play, and everything politically that's at play with respect to, what happens if you actually go after him for this and this alone. there may be other things, this may be part of a larger investigation. right now, we don't know. but that's the only real legal question to be answered. in terms of -- >> is that a legal question, though? how much of that is political? for example, if they mind out or if they can show that one or more of these pieces of paper, one or more of these documents actually was extraordinarily highly sensitive and could have placed someone's life at risk, is that the level -- i mean, how do you sort of parse that? if you took a classified document and you weren't supposed to, you took a classified document and you weren't supposed to, whatever's in it. >> that's the difficulty of what merrick garland is dealing with. on its face, there's no question that donald trump has broken the law here. that's very clear. the issue is, what do you do about that, because of the level of classification, the level of severity with respect to the documents and/or what can be done about them.

and i think that's what merrick garland and his team is going over and looking at now. that's what you saw members of the senate judiciary looking at in terms of wanting to see the documents to understand just how grave of an issue was this? on its face, there's no question, he's broken the law. the issue is, merrick garland has to decide, again, balancing the equities in terms of the prejudice that it creates, what do i want to do about this? and that is more of a political question than it is a legal one. >> let's talk also, mark, about what we know about this president, and specifically, about this defense that trump automatically declassified material as soon as he took it out of the white house. isn't, "a," there a process for doing that? and also, from what we know of donald trump, how much work did he bring back to the residence generally? >> great question. what we have been told by aides both in the white house and since is his work flow was one where he would, every day, have his desk cleared off, everything on his desk, papers, notes, newspapers, printed out e-mails,

and it would go into a box on the side of his desk. and the box would get filled, and that would go away, and there would be a new box, and this would all start over again. again, kind of a chaotic process. as for this notion of kind of automatic or de facto declassification fiat, that's his argument. as most experts are telling us, that's not necessarily one that's going to hold weight. but as just pointed out, the reality is that there are political decisions that are made in trying a case, understanding that there are ultimately 12 jurors who are regular people, who would hear this case. they would hear that argument. how would they perceive what donald trump saying? that's kind of the big unknown, because this is an entire area of law that really hasn't been explored. a president doing this? a president doing taking what were or what are classified documents, saying that he kind of declassified them in his head or verbally, leaving no paper trowel? it's just something that all of us are coming to grips with, including the experts and including people that worked in

national security, including reporters. by and large, we don't know how this is going to play out. and that's one of the reasons, the big question mark as to whether or not, assuming the evidence is there, can't say it is, sure looks like it, that he's going to be indicted. >> and on so many levels, charles. legal and otherwise, we're in uncharted territory, it seems like, all the time with donald trump. but we could be in a situation -- again, we don't know if charges are going to be brought, but if they are, precedent-setting cases, in addition to what the consequences might be for the defendant. >> without a doubt. we have seen from this former president and his entire administration that they are not averse to the creation of a constitutional crisis. those consequences are not far beyond. anything that they are willing to engage in terms of how far they're willing to go, which is why you've seen them assert executive privilege, you've seen them try to assert attorney/client privilege, try to assert this notion of declassification. all of which is because they are trying to rely upon the exclusive powers reserved for the executive branch as a means

of defending against these accusations and these potential charges. and knowing these are uncharted territory. that these are somewhere that we have not explored. and meantime, they're also playing on public sentiment to try to make sure that the court of public opinion remains on their side. >> and let me ask you really quickly, before we have to go, jonathan, what are you looking for from the members of congress on both sides, of the intel committees, both the house, the senate, what are you hearing? there seems to be some level of clamoring that's getting louder. we want answers. >> yeah. for those members who don't want to talk about it, their august recess is conveniently timed, as most lawmakers are not in washington. and therefore, are largely away from the prying eyes of reporters and cameras here, but we have heard from some. senator rubio, senator warner, democrat, saying they want to know more about this process. they want to know about why the department of justice moved in, but also how those documents came to be at mar-a-lago. i think you're going to hear more questions like that. but it's a political touchy

subject. a lot of republicans, as we just talked about, aren't quite sure how to handle this. certainly, there's outrage from democratic lawmakers from the former president, but largely silence from the building behind me. the white house right now, we want to make sure that we're being seen as separate. there's a bright line between the executive mansion and they want to be able to revel in what has been a pretty remarkable win streak for this president and talk about that and not his predecessor. >> thank you all. great to have you here in this studio. in a separate investigation, a federal judge has denied federal judge lindsey graham's to avoid testifying into a special atlanta attorney general. graham had tried to argue that he was acting in his capacity as a legislator when he reached out to georgia election officials, but a judge says that didn't shield him from having to testify. graham's legal team says they

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we are now in the closing hours of heated primaries in two states, both with election-denying trump-backed candidates on the ballot. in wyoming, liz cheney is facing really tough odds in her primary against harriet hageman for the state's lone congressional seat, with the latest poll showing the january 6th vice chair down nearly 30 points. and in alaska, former governor

sarah palin is back, running for a house seat as a new conspiracy theory takes hold, that the state's new ranked choice voting system is rigged. those complaints coming from the candidates themselves, including from palin, who may well actually benefit from it. we'll have much more from those alaska races with ali vitali live in alaska later this hour. but first to wyoming, vaughn hillyard is in jackson. also with us, philip rucker, "the washington post" deputy national editor and an msnbc political analyst and robert gibbs was white house press secretary under president obama and is an msnbc news political news. vaughn, so liz cheney is arguably, i think, now maybe the most high-profile member of congress, because, obviously, of her prominent role on the 1/6 committee. but in wyoming, what has that meant for her? >> right, in donald trump came here directly to casper, wyoming, and held a political rally on her behalf. and he called it the most

important race because of what she represents. he said that she represents, quote, despicable things. she has been the leading antagonist after that vote to impeach him after the january 6th insurrection. but allies of liz cheney will say, this is a congresswoman who chose her principles over political expediency, noting that she had won overwhelmingly her primaries historically in the past, cheney has never lost here on the ballot in wyoming. and she could have gone on to victory again if she had, if their words, repeated the lies of donald trump. instead, harriet hageman, a longtime gop activist here, she got into this race backed by donald trump, and you can see her performing very well in the polling here. we'll ultimately find out the outcome tomorrow. but i want you to listen to a little bit of the back and forth among voters here in wyoming. >> i'll be voting for hageman, because i think she stands more for wyoming values than liz cheney. i had a lot of liz cheney, and

some of the things she's done of recent, i didn't think it represented the voice of the wyoming people and so i chose to vote for hageman. >> i am supportive of liz cheney because she stands up for what she believes in. i am a republican, i have republican beliefs, i have instilled in me from my parents, but january 6th is what really, really turned for me. >> chris, that was our john allen, along with john, we've been to laramie, casper, cheyenne, jackson, all across the state to try to get a pulse overwhelmingly. and if the polls hold up at the blot box tomorrow here, the republican voters here overwhelmingly view liz cheney as the antagonist to donald trump here. and despite these multiple investigations taking place over the last year and a half, you find loyalty through and through to donald trump and we were back here in may. there was that trump rally, and

there were a lot of questions, what were the public hearings? would they ultimately sway the outcomes here? and i was talking to an aide to harriet hageman last night, and they said their own internal polling showed just 12% of wyoming voters said that january 6th was their top issue. and if that is, in fact, the case, that's not a very good number or enough of reason when liz cheney is running on the idea of saving the republican party around that very idea. >> so, philip rucker, that's one critical number. and the other one may be that in wyoming, in 2020, donald trump got nearly 70% of the vote. no state voted for him, as overwhelmingly, but in her final appeal to voters, liz cheney did not are up away from her role as one of trump's chief critics. take a listen. >> america cannot remain free if we abandon the truth. the lie that the 2020 presidential election was stolen is insidious. it preys on those who love their country. it is a door donald trump opened

to manipulate americans to abandon their principles. >> what do you make of that, phil? >> well, chris, it's a very direct message from the congresswoman. she's not running away from the work she's been doing here in washington, ever since the attack on january 6th, 2021. she's been committed to finding the facts of what happened in the insurrection, to uncovering the alleged misdeeds of the former president and all of those around him. and has done that on the committee, and she's embracing that as she runs for re-election, knowing that it very well may cost her her congressional seat there. but when i hear these messages that she's delivering to voters in wyoming in the closing days of the campaign, you can't help but think that she's really speaking to a national audience. she's speaking directly across america to republicans and other voters, who are concerned about the threats to our democracy and it would not surprise me if she ends up losing tomorrow, if she would be looking ahead to perhaps a presidential run.

>> well, robert gibbs, here's part of harriet hageman's final ad. >> liz cheney, she's made her time in congress and this election all about her. well, it's not about her. it's about you. wyoming deserves a voice in congress to fight for our values, our way of life. i'm harriet hageman, i approve this message, because i want to fight for you. >> i mean, robert, she never mentions the january 6th committee, but she doesn't have to. it's implied. you look a the numbers, you know what you know about wyoming, do you see any path at all for cheney to pull off one of the biggest upsets, maybe, in political history? >> no, not so much. i think democrats can vote in this primary, and that may make this margin slightly smaller, but i don't think anybody nationally or in wyoming expects that liz cheney is going to pull off the upset tomorrow evening. and you mentioned it, chris.

this is a state that gave donald trump the largest number of votes in terms of percentages that he got in 2020. and i think if you look at the commercial that you showed from liz cheney and the one a couple of weeks ago, with her -- starring her father, it is clear that she's not been running a congressional campaign, but as phil said, running a national campaign really for quite some time here. so i think this is -- she'll use tomorrow's loss as a badge, as she has this entire time. and i think make a fairly quick pivot to something larger, bedevilling donald trump in 2023 and 2024. >> one of the interesting things is to hear how much money has been spent in this race. frankly, robert, we see more and more and more money going into these races. nevertheless, wyoming is what, and vaughn will interrupt me if i'm wrong, but i think the entire population is something around 600,000 people and they're spending millions and millions and millions of

dollars. does money mean what it used to? does outside money, for example, as supporters of harriet hageman like talk about, her money is all coming from non-wyoming residents. where are we in the money fight? and is there something about this race that we learn from that? >> i don't think there's many conclusions to be drawn from the money side. i think people have their arguments all the time about, does this money come from in state or out of state? >> i think the internet has changed a lot of the fund-raising and the ability to gain small donors. i think, look, there's enough money now on either side, whether it's in a primary or particularly in general elections, that you're just going to see the bottom line of that number get larger. but in most of these races, you know, particularly toss-up races in general elections, you don't have campaigns that are worried about not having enough money anymore. you have campaigns that are worrying about where to spend that money when it comes in

after you've bought tv and digit ads. >> let me ask you finally. let's say that there is no shocker here, and as we expect, based on the polling, liz cheney loses, does the margin matter, though, robert? i mean, if she's able to close that gap and maybe close it significantly, will that be something that sends a message? >> you know, potentially, it could be. but i think it would have to be significantly closer to walk away from anything other than the fact that liz cheney put principal over her own politics and her job and in a state that's decidedly pro-trump, lost. >> robert gibbs, philip rucker, vaughn hillyard. i'll see you, i hope, when i come to wyoming tomorrow. thank you so much. appreciate all of you. we'll have much more to cover on all of this. because i am hosting the show live from wyoming tomorrow and wednesday, live at 1:00 eastern here on msnbc. and a quick reminder.

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willis has been building a case to deal with the election interference that occurred in 2020. she's been talking to lindsey graham, she's been talking to everyone who was around this situation and before now, rudy giuliani had been subpoenaed as a witness, in terms of trying to deal with the investigation and gather facts. but now at this point, what this says is that there's been enough information to understand that rudy giuliani is a target. meaning that he is a potential defendant. so his attorney, his strategy around what he does when he shows up in fulton county is entirely different. now there are different things that he anecdote in terms of invoking the fifth, in terms of not necessarily testifying in front of the grand jury, because he has that right not to do so, but understanding that when that grand jury comes back with a decision, his name can end up on an indictment. >> so let's just remind folks, and i'll read from the story that was just posted by "the new york times" about exactly what rudy giuliani's role in all of this may be. december 2020, he spent hours peddling false conspiracy theories about secret suitcases of democratic ballots and

corrupted voting machines. >> well, even in a country where we rely on free speech as being one of our most fundamental tenants, the reality is when you peddle lies of this nature at this level, they have consequences. that's the thing that we see. rudy giuliani in the wake of the 2020 election went around the country, and georgia being one of those places, and spoke to a number of different state legislatures, peddling laws and falsehoods that he knew to be unfounded and untrue as a means to try to influence the outcome of this election and there were many consequences for this and in this in this case in georgia, we saw fake electors trying to be used, the secretary of state trying to be called to find 11,000 plus votes. all of this stemmed from this type of peddling of these laws. and that's a result of why we are here now, in so many different respects. and she has decided that look, we're going to move forward and that's why rudy giuliani is now a target. >> and one of the key questions, obviously, is, why did you do

this? was it under someone's direction that you did this and already one of his lawyers said, mr. giuliani would probably invoke attorney general/client privilege if asked questions about his dealings with mr. trump. if these people think that he's going to talk about talk about conversations between him and president trump, they're delusional. >> listen, what i can tell you as a former prosecutor, in the most perfect of worlds, this would put a certain amount of pressure on rudy giuliani to come forward and possibly give up information about donald trump. that's the big fish, obviously, for any prosecutor in this situation. but if rudy giuliani decides he wants to be lawyerless, he may have an argument, but that's not going to exempt him from what he did in front of state legislatures in terms of peddling laws that he knew to be untrue. he's faced with a choice here, to the extent that he would be able to divulge information and that that information exists and he can get around attorney general/client privilege in some fashion, in terms of talking

about crimes that he was asked to commit on behalf of donald trump by donald trump, he now has to decide, is my loyalty worth more than my freedom. >> let's make a deal. charles coleman, thank you so much for sticking around. appreciate it. we've got other political news to talk about, from a former governor, a former nominee for vice president, and now she's running for congress, with former president trump's endorsement. tomorrow, many republican voters in alaska will decide whether they want sarah palin back in office. by the way, also on the ballot is republican senator lisa murkowski, who trump has called disloyal. she's facing a challenge from another trump-backed candidate. and the method voters will use to cast their ballot is almost as controversial as some of the folks in the race themselves. nbc's ali vitali is covering it all from beautiful anchorage, alaska. give us the latest on these two really fascinating races. >> two really fascinating races, chris. and the way that they're being decided is new and novel here,

too. certainly for alaska, but broadly across the country, we have seen the system of rank choice voting gain some popularity, everywhere utah to washington state and even most recently in things like the new york city mayoral race. certainly, that's one of the new things that's happening here. but look, you turn, for example, the senate race and the house race, and these are two completely different ways to answer the question of what trump's power is in this republican party, especially in a state that went for him by ten points in 2020, but that also loves an independent streak. so for someone like senator lisa murkowski, who's a rare bipartisan voice in washington, she's up for a tough re-election battle against a large field of candidates in this republican primary, but at the same time, she is also someone who voters have said, they appreciate her bipartisan stripes and the fact that she doesn't always vote the party line. in fact, we know that she is a top trump target, in large part because she voted to convict him of impeachment charges over a

year ago. and then you turn to the house side of this race, which is a very different landscape in trumpism. they're using a rank choice voting system here, so there's three candidates left in this race. whoever the third candidate is, is going to be eliminated. their voters will then be divvied up, based on who the voters put as their second choice. and that will go on until the winner is announced in the race. i think, broadly, what's important to remember here, chris, too, is the fact that there's probably not going to be election results here for at least a week, in part because of the system they're using, but also because alaska is just so big, a lot of people here vote by mail. >> ali vitali, thank you so much. not a bad assignment if you can get it in the beautiful state of alaska. appreciate it. growing concerns over polio in the united states. the key indicator that the virus is spreading in new york city. i'll ask an expert just how worried should we be, and what people who have already been vaccinated should do. you're watching chris jansing reports, only on msnbc. g chs ri reports, only on msnbc number.

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today, some new warnings about polio decades after the disease was seemingly eliminated from the u.s. fears over the threat are spreading from coast-to-coast after the virus that causes polio was detected in new york city's wastewater, raising alarms 3,000 miles away in california, where discussions are underway about testing for it there. right now, there is just one confirmed case of polio in new york, but the state's health commissioner warns that detection in sewage suggests that it is circulating in the city, adding, for every one case of paralytic polio identified, hundreds more may be undetected. let's bring in dr. uche blackstock, the founder and ceo of advancing health equity and an msnbc medical contributor. so, dr. blackstock, we don't want to just set off alarm bells that don't need to be set off. how worried should we be? >> chris, thank you so much for

having me. i always tell people, don't panic, but stay vigilant. and what stay vigilant looks like with polio is to make sure that you get vaccinated. the great part is that we have a vaccine that is incredibly effective, 99% effective against the worst outcomes of polio. most children in this country have received four doses by age 6. but if you are an adult that has not been vaccinated, you are eligible more three doses of that vaccine. as i said, it is 99% effective. we know that about 4% of people who are infected with polio may develop meningitis. 1 in 200 may develop paralysis. but what vigilance looks like now is getting vaccinated. we have communities in the new york city area, in other parts of the country, where only 60% of children are vaccinated against polio. that is a problem. and so we really need public health outreach at this time, focusing and targeting those

communities to get those vaccination rates up. >> let me ask you a question that i was asked, and i'm not a doctor, so i couldn't answer it. i don't know if i was vaccinated, someone said to me, and my parents are no longer alive. someone else said, i've got to call my mom and see if i was vaccinated. if you don't know and there's no record of whether or not you were vaccinated, should you do it out of an abundance of caution? >> absolutely. so if your primary care doctor does to the have the records or your local public health department no longer keeps those records, you should just get vaccinated again. go through the three-dose series again. the side effects of the vaccine are very, very low, inconsequential compared to the benefit of being vaccinated. yes, you can definitely get vaccinated again. >> am i right, there's really no onset of symptoms for polio. so we can't really say, here's what we need to watch out for. >> so this is the thing, the majority of people actually would be asymptomatic, so no

symptoms. but a certain subset will actually have flu-like symptoms, may have fever, malaise, or headache. and that will happen several days after infection. but yes, the problem is that most people are asymptomatic, which is why it's transmitted so easily. people may not even know that they have. but again, flu-like symptoms happen in a small minority of patients. and some people will develop meningitis, as well as paralysis. but again, those numbers are low, but it could prove to be a real risk if transmission levels increase. >> and it all comes as we continue to have concerns about monkeypox. right now, there are more than 11,000 confirmed cases in the u.s. with growing fears that monkeypox may actually be here to stay, an expert warning that time is running out to stop the virus from spreading in the u.s. population more broadly, what's your take? is monkeypox here to stay? are we doing enough? >> you know, chris, i do think it looks like it's here to stay. and i think part of that is due to what i would say is a very

disappointing public health vaccine rollout. you know, we had about 20 million of these vaccines several years ago. and they were allowed to expire. and so we are already starting behind the eight ball. the current vaccines are part of the national stockpile. and even the current system that's being used to distribute these vaccines, it's a brand-new system. it's not the typical system that for example was used with the covid vaccine, that coordinates with vaccine manufacturers. this current system is not designed to track deliveries and it's not integrated with state databases. and so what we're hearing from state officials is that the system is ineffective and incredibly disorganized. and what we need right now given the emergency and urgency of this outbreak is an efficient system that will give vaccines especially to the communities that need it most. >> dr. uche blackstock, such

important information. thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you. iran is denying any involvement in friday's stabbing of author salman rushdie, blaming the author and his supporters instead. now, investigators say that there are no definitive links between the attacker, hadi matar and iran, but matar has been sympathetic to the country. and rushdie, as you probably know, has lived under let since 1989, when the late leader of iran called for his death. while rushdie reportedly has been able to speak since he was stabbed ten times, his agent says his injuries are serious and life-altering, including a damaged liver, severed nerves in an arm, and it's possible he could lose an eye. wnba star brittney griner's defense team is now appealing her drug conviction, two weeks after she was sentenced nine years in a russian prison. that appeal is just one step. officials say the u.s. is ongoing discussions with russia for a potential prisoner swap. if successful, those talks could

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and the largest children's hospital is in the midst of a heart-wrenching medical crisis. >> reporter: this is a medical emergency and every day it's getting worse here. critically ill children are squeezed into cots, two tore three at a time. there's just not enough room and there are too many patients in desperate need and every day more are coming. this is a top children's hospital in afghanistan. it's the best there is, but they're running out of everything, medicine, supplies, equipment, everything. medical staff know they just can't treat their patients, but they keep trying anyway. there's over 500 patients in this hospital. they've only room for 300. ward after ward is exactly the same, jam packed with babies and children. the head doctor says they're overwhelmed with lack of

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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. the "new york times" is reporting rudy giuliani is the target of a criminal investigation, the criminal into attempts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. we're going to have much more on this breaking story in a moment. first, we are living in a scary time. over the weekend both the fbi and the department of homeland security issued a joint intelligence bulletin according to two senior law enforcement officers who spoke with nbc news. often these sorts of warnings are about threats from abroad. this time they're warning about a threat from within and it's not just from some specific extremist group operating on the fringe of society with a rogue leader but from a broad swath of americans who believe they're acting in the interests of