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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. the "new york times" is reporting rudy giuliani is the target of a criminal investigation, the criminal into attempts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. we're going to have much more on this breaking story in a moment. first, we are living in a scary time. over the weekend both the fbi and the department of homeland security issued a joint intelligence bulletin according to two senior law enforcement officers who spoke with nbc news. often these sorts of warnings are about threats from abroad. this time they're warning about a threat from within and it's not just from some specific extremist group operating on the fringe of society with a rogue leader but from a broad swath of americans who believe they're acting in the interests of a
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former american president. it's hard to overstate how not normal this is or how not normal it used to be before donald trump. since the search of mar-a-lago, there has been a spike in threats toward law enforcement. the bulletin was an internal warning for authorities to watch out, that their own personal safety might be at risk, quote, the fbi and dhs have observed an increase in threats to federal law enforcement and to a lesser extent other law enforcement and government officials following the fbi's recent execution of a search warrant in palm beach florida. three officials tell nbc news the fbi also warned that it has seen personal identifying information of possible targets of violence, such as home addresses, as well identification of family members as additional targets. these warnings can't just be dismissed as idle talk.
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on thursday a pro-trump veteran was killed in a standoff with law enforcement after local police say he attempted to break through the bullet-proof glass at an fbi field office in cincinnati. we were watching it, we were covering it here on this show in realtime. he tried to do it with a nail gun, break through that glass and then he brandished an a.r.-15 style weapon. the man posted on a social media platform get whatever up need to get ready. a synagogue cancelled services after receiving violent anti-semitic remarks against him. also on friday, right-wing media outlet were accused.
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now fbi headquarters in washington is surrounded by crowd control barriers, chain link fence and barbed wire just in case. still the rhetoric continues. over the last 24 hours, the last day, donald trump's truth social account has been a steady stream of accusations that the department of justice is, quote, corrupt, and some republicans are still in lock step behind him. multiple gop candidates for senate in new hampshire asked during a campaign event whether of fbi is a terrorist organization. joining me is carol lee, justice reporter ryan reilly, national security reporter carol lenig and cynthia oxney.
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what else did it say? >> as you mentioned, there were the names of the individuals who were posted online in the nonredacted forms and that's been an issue for them. the surge in all of these threats has been an issue more broadly for the fbi to contend with at a time when they're operating this massive january 6th investigation that's already really stretching their resources. they're getting pulled in a lot of different directions and i think that dhs fbi bullet is meant to be a flair up to say make sure we're on all these let's going forward, katy. >> do they have any specifics on who -- they said they have addresses. have individual warnings given out to individual law enforcement officers? if so, do we have any idea what
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they're doing to protect themselves? do they themselves have their own security? >> we haven't gotten that level of detail yet. i think officials are going to be hesitant to get into that, because they could draw more attention to those individuals. they want to keep the heat off altogether. i think that's safe to say there are some measures specifically for those officers who have been targeted, specifically whose names are sort of out there. in the internet age it's really tough to get all of your information taken down. you know, you can only sort of get at it piecemeal. this is something reporters have to deal with as well. there's homeland security mechanisms set up for that. that's something that the fbi is aware of and has some measures in place to make sure that information isn't readily available online but they're going to have to take some extra steps here and it's not just a short-term threat. this could be something in the long term that needs to be considered for these individuals going forward for the rest of their careers, katie.
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>> let's get back to the issue at hand, which is the classified material found at mar-a-lago. you have some great reporting for nbc news about just the way that donald trump handled classified material while he was at the white house and what that indicates for when he moved. trump's style of handling white house documents has been described by people who work for him as slapdash and ad hoc. he was known to pull things from the trash cans rip ad and tape back together. trump had a habit of grabbing intelligence documents. god knows what he did with it. carol. >> reporter: that's right, katie. we talked to a number of people who worked for president trump who it has been described many times he had a very cavalier attitude towards documents. he really saw them as his
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documents, much as how he would see staff or cabinet officials that worked for him as working for him, not for the government. that's the attitude he took for them. he was constantly trying to grab things they had taken and put them back in their proper place, running around and taping documents together, as has been reported and trying to keep things. one thing that officials would do is the president would ask for something that was classified and they would give him a copy or photo copy or a picture or a letter and he didn't like that. he wanted the originals. so he would get frustrated. but it paints a picture of someone who had a very cavalier attitude towards documents and messages and he packed boxes
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that no one knew what was in them, he was described as a pack rat, sitting around with piles of paper that would get shoved into a box at the end of the day. we know that the president was sloppy, that he had a disregard for classified materials but was there intent here? that's the question we don't have an answer to. why did he have those documents there? why did he keep them? what was he going to do with them, if anything? the sloppiness of his handling of documents may or may not be related to the trouble he's in and whether that goes to the next level of what his motivations were is a question we don't have an answer to. >> in the charges aside, the motivation is almost secondary, especially when you recall that he ran on that hillary clinton was mishandling documents, that
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protocols that every other administration followed were mott followed in the trump administration. he was taking these documents and his aides didn't know where they weren't. the explanation that donald trump has given have been shifting over time. they went from i don't have any of these documents to maybe the fbi is planting these documents to it's okay because i declassified everything and also the government general services administration is really at fault here because they're the ones who moved the boxes. well, gsa clapped back at that and issued a statement that said "the responsibility for making decisions about what materials are moved rests entirely with the outgoing president and their supporting staff. . what can you add to that? >> it's such a good point. it indicates a larger challenge
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with the donald trump presidency. he often had shifting accounts for why things happened. over his presidency depending on which lawyer or aide he talked to last, he had a new explanation or account for why he did something that appeared to be breaking the law, breaking the standard protocols or just breaking the norms in one way or another. i think it's important to remember that not only did donald trump have a slash-dash way of handling information, but his entire white house was viewed with suspicion. remember jared kushner and ivanka trump were people who were viewed at likely unwise people to give top secret information to. there were concerns among the cia officials and career white house staff that jared kushner was so easily manipulated by foreign governments that they
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did not want him to have access to the holiest secrets of the nation and that would put our national security in grave risk. remember, some of the documents that now the justice department says they retrieved appear to be the kind that if released would cause grave harm to the country's security. the shifting stories are worrisome to i think everyone who is covering this story because you want to understand what was donald trump thinking when he took these records? was he just making a mistake? in which case if you made an honest mistake, say so. that's a pretty easy thing to do. but now to say i can declassify everything when i'm president sounds a little bit far fetched. if you put everything and took it and threw it on to your plane because you're no longer president once you leave, donald trump was not president from
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january 21st forward so it's not something he could have declassified retroactively or after the fact. >> again, we don't know if any charges are going to come out of this. we don't know if merrick garland and the d.o.j. just wanted these documents back and that's going to be the end of it so we want to be very careful about setting expectations here but there's a lot of reporting in "the new york times" today about the details about what was going on at mar-a-lago and they have one talking about surveillance footage showing boxes going in and out of the basement storage area after they had already started talking with folks at mar-a-lago about securing that room, although it not clear where in the timeline this was. there's also some reporting about how donald trump's lawyers signed a statement, an official statement that said all classified material had been returned to the justice department, to the fbi. this was before the search. and then there's also reporting that mr. trump's current aides
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that at least in recent months investigators were in contact with roughly half a dozen of mr. trump's current aides who had knowledge of how the documents had been kept at mar-a-lago, how they were handled, two people briefed said at least one witness provided investigators with information that wanted to further press mr. trump for material, according to a person familiar with the inquiry. there's a lot there, cynthia. if you are working at the justice department right now, what are you doing with all this? >> well, you're trying to make a decision based on the question of intent. you know, garland could have just gone forward with the document retention 2071 charge and used all this information which also is required to show that he intentionally refusing to return the records. there's a host of things
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beginning with the archives, trying to get the record, all the negotiations with the lawyers, the counterintelligence officers going down from d.o.j. going down and meeting with trump and the lawyers and trying to get the documents, getting some documents at different times. there's just a lot of evidence that he was withholding documents, that he didn't want to give them up. now when you add all the conflicting stories, which are essentially consciousness of guilt, what you've got is a case that's building and building and building that he willfully was holding on to records that didn't belong to him. if you assume that all garland wanted to do was get the records back, i would have expected that the warrant was just on the 2071. but since he adds the espionage, and the warrant, you have to think he's getting serious about
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indicting the president and you have to think he has somebody inside talking to him because you couldn't have gotten a warrant application on the obstruction without some other inside information. so i think he's getting pretty close to indictment. >> let's go to the other big breaking news and this is about rudy giuliani we teased at the top of the hours. we have tom winter to talk about it. rudy giuliani's lawyers have been informed he is now a target of the investigation and we have confirmed that, right? >> reporter: that's right. his attorneys were informed today in a phone conversation from one of the prosecutors working on this case to rudy giuliani's local counsel. he has some people that are familiar with the georgia laws specifically. costello says he was told he's now a target of this. costello points out they were initially told giuliani was a witness. the people in georgia investigating this, the fulton
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county district attorney's office went to the new york courts to try to compel rudy giuliani's testimony before this grand jury and they said he was a material witness. now they've been told verbally that in fact he is a target of that investigation. if this was a federal investigation i could tell you the difference between subject and target, it's spelled out. i hear chuck rosenberg in my ear saying to go chuck the manual but i would know that off the top of my head. my colleague blaine alexander is out to the district attorney's office to try to get a definition on what this specifically means to rudy giuliani. presumably it means he's someone of focus and potential could face grand jury charges. they're going to put out a report and from there a separate grand jury would have to look at this and decide if there were charges. either way it seems to be some
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indication as to whether or not anybody in the former president's orbit was involved in election interference in fulton county, georgia. we'll just have to see where all this goes. two questions i know you're going to ask. one, will giuliani still show up for the grand jury this week? costello says, yes, that is the plan at this point. his testimony had been postponed because of surgery that giuliani had. and then as far as whether or not he'll get into the subject of any sort of conversations between the former president trump and giuliani, he called it delusional, that's a quote, that there would be any sort of testimony in regards to that because of attorney/client privilege. they say they've can communicated that to the fulton county district attorney's office. >> you know me too well and the questions i'm going to ask. >> i'm afraid what you're going
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to ask me next. >> carol, can you just remind us in broad strokes, what he has to do with in this investigation in fulton county. what was happening back in december, january of 2020? >> reporter: i'm happy to, katy. rudy giuliani was not only the president's point of the spear, the tip of the spear on many efforts to claim that the election was rigged, the election in which joe biden was far and away the winner, but he was also basically the top guy leading efforts in georgia to try the get the state a different set are electors. he was there also to help encourage or pressure georgia state officials to say that their election was the victim of fraud. he was really running that electors' element, which in georgia what the investigation is focused on, at least it was when it began, focused on the
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idea that there was a pressure campaign to interfere in a state election. and because rudy giuliani was central to those pieces, he's a key witness. i can't underscore enough how his lawyer was notified, your client is now a target. when costello asks prosecutors in georgia is my client a target and the answer is yes, that is very serious. and it doesn't bode well for rudy giuliani in the federal element of the investigation either. >> and, cynthia, give me the legal word on this, if you can. >> well, it means that the grand jury believes that there's substantial evidence linking him to the crime and that he's likely to be a defendant. this is a very important distinction about the state court that doesn't really have
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the federal target system and the federal system. the judge in the state court has already caused willis about not using the target language. i think it's interesting that she's gone ahead and done it anyway and the state court judge is a former federal prosecutor and he's aware of what this target language means. i find it shocking that he would show up. anybody who gets a target letter and shows up on the grand jury isn't thinking straight. it doesn't make any sense for him to testify on the grand jury, i would say. apparently he's going to do it, which is suicidal. but he makes bad legal decisions all the time. but what will eventually happen is this grand jury is going to issue a report, which will be secret and go to the state court judge who will make decisions from there. >> we will see what happens. everybody just wait and see and then we'll know all the facts soon enough. thank you, everyone, for starting us off this hour. we appreciate it. and we have more new reporting breaking right now.
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it also centers around georgia on another alleged attempt by trump's lawyers to overturn the election. the secret action to get voting machine data. also ahead, liz cheney and lisa murkowski are both fighting to stay in office but only one of them is expected to survive tomorrow's primary. what's driving the electorate, the differences in wyoming and alaska? plus, violence, hunger and fear. what life is like in afghanistan one year after u.s. withdrawal. one year after u.s. withdralaw age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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and now claims data was copied and that data was attempted to be copied in michigan as well. john, explain this to us. what's going on? >> back in 2020 after thanksgiving where they gathered to strategize about how to overturn the election, sydney powell and a group of like-minded people who believe the election was fraudulent started strategizing about how to get inside state voting systems. they recruited a data forensics
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firm from atlanta and they basically sent investigators from this firm into the county offices in multiple states to get inside, to examine, to copy complicated computer equipment essentially that had been used in the election out of an attempt to prove somehow that votes had been stolen or flipped. and, you know, we've seen in some states already, including michigan, including colorado that comparable efforts to access voting machines have been deemed illegal in some cases but criminal investigations are ongoing. >> what could they do with that data. >> they thought what they could prove is somehow prove votes could be flipped, that votes had been flipped in some cases but what security analysts tell us is that what's more dangerous is what they could do with it if this data got into the wrong
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hands, if, as in some cases, it leaked on line, it was available to the public, to hackers, to people who knew how to code and use this data for bad purposes, vulnerabilities or potential vulnerabilities in these election systems could be broadcast to a wider audience and be potentially exploited in subsequent elections. >> were they able to get this data back? any indication that it was disseminated in any way or given to someone who shouldn't have it, another person who shouldn't have it? >> in certain cases, in antrim county, michigan, in the colorado case i mentioned and one case in nevada as well, data appears to have been taken during these examinations because it's been so widely shared among conspiracy theorists who believe the election was stolen, it has been posted online, it's been
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downloaded and posted by so pro-trump news sites and very quickly this data is disseminated, gets out into a wider audience and any potential vulnerabilities or security flaws can potentially be exploited. >> john, thank you very much for joining us and explaining this to us. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> and still ahead, we've been gone for one year. what has happened to the women and the children of afghanistan since the united states left? still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq. rinvoq is not a steroid, topical, or injection. it's one pill, once a day, that's effective without topical steroids. many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin while some saw up to 100% clear skin. plus, they felt fast itch relief some as early as 2 days. that's rinvoq relief.
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my friend recommended that i try prevagen and over time, it made a very significant difference in my memory and in my cognitive ability. i started to feel a much better sense of well-being. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. it has been a year since the united states withdrew from afghan stand and the taliban took over. here's sky correspondent stewart ramsey with a look at life inside kabul. >> reporter: it's exactly a year since the taliban marched into kabul taking over the city. i was standing right here and saw the first signs of their flags and supporters and the taliban fighters as they came into the city and of course very quickly they took control and we saw this huge influx of people towards the airport and the
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chaotic scenes as the evacuation that took place in the days that followed and eventually of course the foreign troops leaving by the end of the month. it is a public holiday here today, but i have to say i'm not sure many of the people on the street are celebrating that, per se. most of them are wondering where they're going to get food tonight. the economy is in absolute freefall, starvation is across the country, malnutrition everywhere, and the whole of the country is on the brink of collapse. one of the reasons for that, foreign money, billions came into the country for 20 years. it pretty much dried up overnight. the point that the international community makes is that it has ideological differences about the taliban about human issues and women's rights. but the taliban are here and they're going to be here to stay. so there has to be some type of
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movement between the international community and the taliban if the poverty and problems faced by the ordinary people of afghanistan, not the taliban, but the ordinary people are to be addressed because with the economy in this sort of state, with the amount of people who have got no jobs and no way of earning any money, in situation is only going to get worse. the international communities, the aid agencies have to come in here and have to help, even if it's unpalatable for many because it is the taliban who is in charge. >> joining me is craig whitlock, the author of "the afghanistan papers." you've written a book about this, literally, it's coming out soon. talk to me about what's happening inside afghanistan. stewart ramsey just pointed out one of the big problems is that all foreign aid has gone away because of ideological
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differences. what's happening with women and girls? >> the news, as you just heard, in afghanistan is very bleak these days. not only is there a real risk of starvation, but the fate of women and girls is back to the old dark days when the taliban controlled afghanistan in the 1990s. the taliban is under a lot of international pressure to allow girls to go to school and allow women to appear in public but they've really thumbed their noses at those requests, that gradually bit by bit what little public space that women or girls could appear in is being restricted. girls aren't being allowed to go to school. there used to be female tv presenters on television news. they have to appear in veils. women can't protest or appear in public without a male relative. so they've gone backward very rapidly for the past year and any pressure from the u.s. government or international community so far has had no effect on the taliban in that
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regard. >> there was a very small protest of women just the other day, i think it was about 40 women and it was dispersed by gunfire, the taliban shooting bullets up into the air. they were marching and saying we need bread, because we're hungry, and they need to have freedom, to be able to go to work and school, all the things that have now been banned. what is the likelihood that the taliban is going to be able to maintain control in that country? they were very good at taking over, very good at warfare. not so great so far at governing. >> well, that's right. but certainly particularly when it comes to women and girls. and unfortunately they seem to have a real lock on power. there's still some elements in some parts of afghanistan that are resisting the taliban. you saw this very small demonstration today in kabul. but i think there's no question that the taliban has an unrivalled grip on power, isn't about to lose it any time soon. the only question is if things
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get so bad in afghanistan, so unstable, does afghanistan collapse into a failed state? we haven't seen a sign of that yet. the taliban seems to have pretty strong control, but it's tlam almost that the alternative, if there is one, would be worse, a power vacuum. afghanistan was at war until we left one year ago. if there's one bit of good news in afghanistan is the shooting for the most part has stopped but the rest of life is really headed in the wrong direction. >> we saw what happened in iraq and syria in the rise of isis so that's certainly scary. we were there for a really long time. in writing these papers and talking about the secret war that was happening or what was happening that we weren't supposed to know about, was there a way for us to have done it better or was it always
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doomed from the start, just the start that we went in from the first place? >> i don't think it was doomed from the start. i think the moments we missed to have a successful war in afghanistan, they happened early. there are really two pivot points. one was pretty soon after september 11th, we went in within six months, we had really won the war. the taliban was toppled from power and the original purpose of us going to war in afghanistan was to fight al qaeda and to prevent another september 11th style attack. and al qaeda's leaders were all captured, killed or had fled afghanistan within six months of september 11th. so at that point we'd really accomplished our original mission. it's just after that the mission strayed and then became, well, we're here to fight the remnants of the taliban or stand up a new government or to stabilize a country or to help women and girls and those are all laudable girls but we had mission creep
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set in and really for the last 19 years of the war we were fighting the taliban. we were stuck in a civil war instead of just fighting al qaeda. the other big pivot point early on was the war in iraq. once we invaded iraq, we took our eye off the ball in afghanistan and that was a moment when we could have done the most good in afghanistan to stabilize the country, maybe even bring the taliban into the political fold. but we overlooked or we intentionally missed those opportunities and really for the last 17 years of the war we were trying to make thing up. that's when things gradually became more unwinnable. by the end it was pretty clear that the taliban was going to win sooner or lear, as soon as we candraw our troops. >> craig whitlock, thank you for joining us author of the afghanistan papers. thank you very much. and still ahead, what is quiet quitting and what does it tell
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♪ ♪ two primary races are just over 24 hours from now and will have a big impact on the republican party in the house. in alaska, we could see the political rebirth of former governor and vice presidential candidate sarah palin. she's on the ballot to close out the remaining term of late congressman don young. and wyoming liz cheney is facing stiff competition. in ads alongside her father, liz cheney is making it clear what she stands for and that is the truth. you don't see her father alongside in the video. i promise he was there. joining us in, vaughn hillyard
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and ali vitali. i'm very proud to say she's the author of the upcoming book "electable, why america hasn't put a woman in the white house yet." vaughn, liz cheney is making an appeal to wyoming voters. at one point she was also urging democrats, i believe, to cross parties and vote for her in the primary. what's happening? >> look, i mean, you're dealing with a republican party here as much as we've seen nationally is epitomized by these wyoming voters. when i was here alongside harriet haguerman in may, the question was would these january 6th public hearings ultimately sway enough republican voters to allow liz cheney to stay in the ball game against trump-backed harriet haguerman and polls would suggest that doesn't
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appear to be the case here. the reason why people stand by donald trump, many of them it's frustration over the conspiracy theories over the 2020 election that they have bought into and they see liz cheney as front and center of that, someone who is focused on investigations into washington into the man who many of them want to see as their leader in 2024 again instead of focusing on wyoming issues, which harriet haguerman has made the case that she barn stormed across the state to voters that she'd be the one to do here. i want to let you hear from two voters on two different sides to get a little bit of a sentiment here. >> i'm looking for somebody who can truly represent wyoming. i'm not sure that's liz. >> i voted for liz cheney because there needs to be some sanity in the republican party. she has done an admiral job with the january 6th committee. she respects the constitution. she loves our country. she loves wyoming.
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>> reporter: the difficult part of that is that most voters here in the state of wyoming are not like that second woman who you just heard from. and that is why there has been an effort here in wyoming to get democrats to reregister as republicans, literally they can go at their polling place tomorrow and do that. but when you look at the numbers, voting registration numbers, there's more than 200,000 registered republicans here and less than 50,000 democrats. i was talking to a couple of aides last night, katy, they still they they have enough of a republican majority to hold off liz cheney. >> and as much as democrats might respect liz cheney, her voting record is very much opposite what the democrats believe. i think it might be difficult for some democrats on that level. maybe. i don't know. ali vitali, you are in alaska.
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lisa murkowski, like liz cheney, standing up for the truth against a lot of the lies perpetuated by donald trump and his allies, how is she doing in her primary and also give me an update on sarah palin. >> reporter: these are two different races with two different ideas on how to be a republican in this moment. sarah palin endorsed by trump. you and i were on the campaign trail in 2016 when she endorsed him as president. now he's coming back here to alaska to repay the favor. that could work to her advantage in her race, though they're using a ranked choice voting system there that rewards candidates who are a little bit more moderated, not necessarily in a political sense but in a way they go towards their other rivals in the race, are they being a little less negative, taking conciliatory stances? then on the senate side, lisa
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murkowski, a completely different republican than sarah palin, much more likely to cross party lines and a favorite target of donald trump's when he was campaigning in alaska he said there's a lot of republicans he doesn't like but he might list lisa murkowski as number one on that list. she's expected to make the top four in that race. it all sort of begs the larger question how much sway does donald trump have here? i asked that of voters. >> i think the fbi and search warrants, it's giving them momentum and i find it scary. >> reporter: of course that voter talking sw way sway she
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>> reporter: the viral trend, coming at a time when a poll finds employee engagement has dipped for the first time in a decade, and the great resignation of workers post pandemic has put a strain on many businesses. but some warning that it doesn't benefit most people in long run. >> quiet quitting is literally wasting your time with this company and shooting yourself in the foot. so please don't do that. if you have no other choice, get a new job. >> reporter: as for advice to employers about combatting quiet quitting -- >> managers are important, and that starts a t the top. it's important to have the right kind of conversations at the right time so people do know what is expected in their role and how their work connects to something better. >> reporter: can vetting a sense of purpose and a mission to those looking for a fresh incentive is important, too. >> i still work just as hard and get just as much accomplished. i just don't stress and internally rip myself to shreds. and it's beautiful!
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