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fbi agents are facing an increasing number of threats as republican leaders stay mostly silent about the danger -- dangerous rhetoric coming from the right. plus, a preview of liz cheney's primary in wyoming where maga supporters seem to punish here for telling the truth about donald trump. i'm tiffany cross in tonight for joy reid. we begin with significant developments and a number of investigations involving former president donald trump. today a federal grand jury investigating the january 6 report has subpoenaed eric hirschman for documents. this makes him the third lawyer along with white house counsel pat sill loney and patrick sylvan. their testimony was featured throughout the january 6th hearings. what this means to donald trump according to andrew weesemen that there is no question that trump is the target of the

federal january 6 probe. he added, correct move here, lock people into the grand jury. meanwhile in georgia, have the investigation into trump's alleged election interference headed by the fulton county attorney. trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani has been named a target of the criminal investigation. he's expected to testify in person before that grand jury on wednesday. and that is all on top of what we have seen play out this past week with the fbi's search of mar-a-lago over classified documents trump stored there. today federal prosecutors are asking a federal judge to keep of a date which details probable cause for the search under seal, to quote, protect innegative an ongoing law enforcement investigation that implicates national security. the prosecutors write that any disclosure could compromise future investigative steps. and when it comes to those document, we have seen the ever shifting explanations from trump and his allies over why they keep being found at his florida

home. now for those who have paid any attention to trump while he was in office this, past week followed a very familiar playbook, and it started with him saying i didn't do anything wrong followed by, well, if i did do it, there's nothing wrong with it, to i did it but it's not a problem. now we've seen that show before, and, of course, he landed on everyone does it, and in this case the "new york times" lays it out perfectly. first he said that he was work and cooperating with government agents who he claimed had inappropriately entered his home. then when the government revealed that the fbi had actually recovered a dozen set of documents marked classified he suggested the agents planted evidence. finally his aides claimed he had a standing order to declassify documents that left the oval office for his residence and that some of the material was protected by attorney/client and executive privilege. offtimes the statements are

contradictory and not supported by facts. former national securityizer john bolton disputed the declassified of those events. >> when a document declassified it's not declassified for donald trump but for the whole world n.thundershower fethat order existed the news media today could file a freedom of information act for every document we declassified which over a four-year period could be a pretty high stack. i think this is made up and a key point sheer when somebody is making up stories like that, i think it indicates a level of desperation. >> all right. let's get into it. joining me now is mark caputo, nbc news political international lawyer, paul butler, former georgetown law enforcement and former prosecutor and a former special agent with the fbi's

terrorism unit and the former deen of the jackson school of public affairs. paul, have to start with you, the doj news that subpoenaed hirschman who was donald trump's counsel and was really an interloper because he was pushing the big lie and what do you make of the doj subpoenaing him and what could they be looking to get from him? >> we know that he was in a room for a lot of the meetings about how to overturn the election. he was present at that crazy january 4th meeting where trump was, police italy informed that the fake elector scheme was illegal and unconstitutional and he apparently didn't key. tiffany at some point in the grand jury investigation, prosecutors start to preserve the testimony of witnesses if

they are contemplating a prosecution. i think that at this point trump is clearly a subject of the federal grand jury investigation relating to january 6th. he's still a few steps away from being a target. >> explain to the viewers the difference between a subject and a target. >> so, certainly rudy giuliani learned this the hard way today when he became a target of an investigation in georgia. a target means that you are likely to be prosecuted, that prosecution may not be imminent but the prosecutor believes she has evidence to charge with a crime. a subject is a step before being a target. it means that the grand jury is focusing on you, sometimes state departments, state police departments say that you're a person of interest. that's like being a subject. >> yes. i remember when person of interest entered the lexicon. mark, i want to get to your latest reporting because it sounds like there was a clear

disregard by this president whose first job in government was as president of the united states, there was a disregard for handling sensitive materials. what did you learn? what are people saying? you know, i saw in some of your reporting that aides would literally have to tape documents back together and pull them out of the trash. give us the details. >> yeah, right. those weren't classified documents from what we understand. those were documents, records, common pieces of paper that should have been set aside for the presidential records act. they had to have a an aide pick up the stuff that he would tear up and throw in the garbage or sometimes just throw on the floor. other times john bolton whose quote we just played there told us that the president had a penchant for just grabbing classified intelligence, sensitive documents and wanting to read them, taking them elsewhere and was kind of a challenge to keep him from kind of walking off with t.john kell, the former chief of staff, verified that account. so it was just this kind of broad sort of typical trump

where, you know, he wanted to do something and then he just kind of did it and didn't regard what the norms were, what the practices were, what the laws had laid out at the time, and as a result you just have this kind of mishmash of different stories of the former president at the time just kind of constantly disregarding aides. some of them actually said that they warned them and that they worried about it and he was stashing documents hither and yon and the last days in the white house that was described to us there was a chaotic scene where they were throwing various things in boxes and some sensitive records could have been thrown in there, and they be all of these things wind up in mar-a-lago and the next thing you know after a series of different events you suddenly have fbi agents sort of storming the gates there and finding all of this stuff and all of these boxes and now there's a criminal investigation. ashra, i want to bring you in here. based on what marc just said,

maybe he was just unintelligent and careless and then i want to remind our viewers that he did have the russians in the oval office. he did leak sensitive information to the russians from a u.s. partner that led to quite the upset when he had the russian ambassador and the national security person from russia kisliak. >> he's been incredibly cavalier with the classified information, tweeted out several satellite photos, for example, and while he was president, you know, the defense was he's an original classification authority. he can declassify anything and can put it out there, and i think that's become a little bit of a red herring in this investigation because particularly with regard to the

espionage act, there's no mention of declassified -- classification in there at all. it talks about a specific type of information. it's national defense information that the person who possesses it, trump, has reason to believe could injure the united states or help a foreign government, and in this case he clearly understands that. he was president for four years, and so it's going to be a factual determination. it either is or isn't and changing the classification on it, declassifying, it putting another label on it. you can call it a pepperoni pizza, if it's a sensitive secret that can harm the u.s., that is true regardless of the label you put on it, so i think it's trying -- this defense tries to avoid the big question which is what would he want to declassify these kinds of secrets? why would he want sensitive sources and methods to be revealed and it goes back to the examples that you mentioned, tiffany, why is he putting this stuff out there, and i think it only bolsters the justification

for the department of justice to be very concerned with what trump's intentions were with having that voluminous secret material and classified material in his home. >> that's really been key. we've always questioned donald trump's intentions, from, you know, a lot of the careless mistakes that he made were perhaps not made but quite intentional. paul, it seems like we've reached the point of no return here, honestly. i don't know how the doj does not or most investigations against trump, you've got james in new york and the georgia and the january 6th hearings and i don't know how you walk this back and trump doesn't face some sort of consequence. we've never seen it in history. what does it look like if the doj were to pursue charges against a former? >> tiffany, merrick garland has to assess the damage done and then decide whether to charge the former president with a crime based on one of the three

federal offenses that are listed in the search warrant, and as said why is trump keeping these materials? what has he already done wand trump it's always the question of criminal intent? this looks evidence. trump knew the fed wanted these materials and he knowingly and willfully refused to give the government back some of its most sensitive information. we know that he got this polite request from the national archives. when that didn't work they ratcheted up the pressure with the grand jury subpoena, and when that didn't work, that's what brought trump the fbi raid. >> which is -- you know, it's kind of frightening to see how democracy survives all this. marc, i want to ask you because rand paul, one of kentucky's finest, he suggested just simply getting rid of the espionage act, owe essentially saying, you

know, if there was no law, then donald trump didn't break it, and it seems like republicans are all too eager to commit their blind loyalty to this president, and it's hard to imagine that someone can be pro-trump and pro-america at a time when the evidence is really stacked against him. have you seen any sign that anyone other than kinzinger and liz cheney are willing to buck this administration and buck this president and say, yes, i will stand up for america today and say what i'm seeing is not right? >> oh, god no. right now the republican party has a strong occultive personality appearance and the center of that party is donald trump and the amount of grass roots support for trump has increased. you see this anecdotally and there's some evidence in polling. according to the pac, the people affiliated with his pac, he's raising more money than ever. there's a real real around the chief in the republican party. you're not going to see people

cross him right now, at least not at the echelons of rand paul. remember, we just got through with essentially a primary season where more than 200 republicans up from and down the ballot, from coast to coast, north to south and east to west, begged president trump for his endorsement. it's just a sign of how he is the beating heart of the party, how he is its center of gravity, and that gravitational pull he excerpts has only gotten strong we are this investigation being broken wide out into the open with the fbi executing the search warrant. >> and then there's still georgia with bonnie willis. i do want to talk a little bit about giuliani who had testify before the grand jury on wednesday. of course, grand juries are sealed. the interesting thing when the federal jury will pull from the entire area, a local one will pull from fulton county. it's a majority minority area. it's my neck of the woods. i grew up in the area.

i'm curious to see how you think the grand jury will play out particularly because we won't know what particular evidence is presented to this grand jury. >> we know that clearly rudy giuliani is in the crosshairs, that he's likely to be indicted, that there are many other people in this fake elector scheme. remember, that giuliani's role, this is such a sprawling conspiracy. this is what strikes me often when i'm thinking about it is how many how many people are involved with this. giuliani was involved with speaking with state legislatures to get them to try to overturn their state legislative electoral results and also to try to push this whole fake elector scheme, and he's in a bit of a pickle here,tive anything, you know, because, first of all, any claims of attorney/client privilege are not going to go anywhere with him. can you not use the privilege as a shield to conceal the commission of a crime which is what would have been happening if we were doing this with other

individual, including trump, and more importantly here if he doesn't end up in the slammer, even if trump wins in a couple of years trump won't be able to help him because this is a state crime and there's no way that trump would have the power to pardon him so i think there's going to be a lot of pressure and the key is going to be whether rudy giuliani is going to be, you know, spill the beans on exactly how involved trump was in this part of the overall conspiracy. >> i want to stick with you for a second because according to donald trump, we learned this from him, not from any law enforcement agency or any news report, but he has said that the fbi seized three of his passports. i thought that was a really interesting piece of information. why might they seize his passports? you know, one suggestion could be that he was possibly planning to leave the country. is that realistic to think? >> i'm not really sure.

i think it's really hard for a former president to leave the country undetected. you know, i think -- first of all, he probably has multiple passports because when you work for the u.s. government, you can be issued an official passport. you can also be issued a diplomatic passport so he likely had one of these other ones it in addition to, or both, in addition to his personal passport. these are government records. passports belong to the government of the united states. the search warrant was to recover government property under 2071 so it wasn't just for classified material. it was for government records that belong to the u.s. government, so, you know, they might have picked it up there, or it might have been to essentially id the information to associate that these did kind of belong to him in the course of gathering, you know, all of these documents and then, know, maybe they will return them so i think it's too early to speculate. we don't even know if it's true.

he's tweeting all kinds of things. i think he's in a difficult place. >> i think you have a good point about him leaving incognito. he's definitely going out richard nixon style with the big waves at everybody. he loves the fanfare. paul, before we get out of here i do want to ask you. let's just pretend that merrick garland is at home watching this brilliant panel right now and he's looking at mr. paul butler to say how should i handle this going forward because you said merrick garland will assess the investigation and information what advice would you offer merrick garland when it comes to pursuing and shifting trump from a subject to a target? >> you know, tiffany, with federal and state prosecutors going after trump, it's kind of like take a number and stand in line. i think that given all the investigations, still the most troubling is january 6th. i think that's the right choice for a historic first indictment of a u.s. president because we don't have to speculate about

damage. we know that on january 6th that human lives were lost and we also know the cost to our democracy is ongoing, and finally, tiffany, the january 6th house panel has provided a road map to the justice department for how to bring trump to justice for his -- for his worst misdeeds. >> yeah. really good point, paul. all right. minimum wage you, marc caputo, great reporting, by the way, paul butler and ashra, thanks so much. you'll have to come back. coming up, the cryptic message that trump sent to attorney general merrick garland. "the reidout" continues right after this. garland. "the reidout" continues right after this you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. what can i du with less asthma? with dupixent,

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fbi officials. the bulletin cites an incident in which a man fired a nail gun into an fbi field office last week and then just today the pennsylvania man was arrested for making threats against the fbi on the right wing social media site gap. posting that employees of the bureau deserve to die now. joining me now is a former consultant with the fbi counterterrorism division. clint, aggressive language doesn't always cause physical harm, of course, but it does certainly create an environment where an aggressive and violent people feel more emboldened which makes actual violence against people or institutions more likely. we're seeing this happen. in less than a week, friday to monday, we have seen two men try to declare war with agents of the federal government. what do you think we as a country should be doing to prepare because i do not anticipate that these attacks would just suddenly come to a screeching halt? >> they will not, tiffany. this is a version of what's

known as mediated terrorism. ten years ago we would be talking about anwar al alaqui. he would make statementsine line and people would take on actions to support that cause. what i worry about most is election workers and polling workers. that's going to be a frightening period for us because they have no ability to protect themselves. we can do this. we did it over the last decade. we developed an international terrorism operation center and, you know, processes for detecting things online and then interdicting them in person. you saw that happen today, but it's still not done seamlessly in the way that we would do it if it's international terrorism because we don't have a domestic terrorism law. without a law you can't designate domestic terrorist

groups and you can't at the fbi level open cases that are inspired cases, saying it's much more difficult to say domestic terrorism inspired cases because you can't put a name on it so it puts the fbi or a rear foot rather than a proactive footing. >> you brought up interesting points there, definitely the first about we have to stop separating the gop and right wing extremists because i think you make such a good point. election officials are demonizing institutions. we're seeing it play out before us. the poll watchers, i think like places like texas where greg abbott has declared guns for everybody regardless of background check or training, also empowered partisan poll watchers there and emboldened people to deputize themselves as the protector of fetuses when it comes to abortion rights, and so the confluence of all of these things could certainly declare mass violence. the question is, you know, trying to stage off or stave or a massive attack by droves of people is one thing but the

individual action of violence that can pop off at any second across the country how do you combat that because that's the example of violence we've seen over the weekend? >> yeah. to do that you must be intelligence led. you have to be proactive and take tips and leads in from across the country, from the online space, for example, and then figure out where those people are in the real world. it's a very difficult task, and i would like to add whether it's mass shooters, poll watchers, extremists showing up based on elected officials and when they say. in all of these cases for state and local law enforcement it's nearly impossible for them to detect and be able to mitigate it because you don't know who people are. it takes a triaging system at the national level and takes working with the private sector to identify individuals who are making the violent threats and then ultimately it takes tight coordination between state, local, federal law enforcement and homeland security which is very difficult to do, by the way, when elected reps from certain parts of the country are making such baseless and harmful claims against the fbi. >> i want to ask you about this

cryptic message between donald trump and merrick garland where he essentially says the country is on fire. what can i do to reduce the heat? very strange. i mean, it is somewhat comparable to all i need is 11,000 more votes or is this his way of doing, you know, his art of the deal with i'll give you something for something? or is it just a cryptic message? your thoughts. >> it's fascinating because he likes to think he can control the entire movement and organizations. he came out january 6th and make a statement and that didn't stop everyone from running into or staying at the capitol every day. it did affect some and turn some people away but some just continued on and immediately after there were additional threats. the same thing happened today. he can say what he wants but the problem is that people interpret it differently and when there is no direct communication no, one is really sure what the president is saying because he changes back and forth all the

time. >> yeah. >> guaranteed you have a lot of extremists say he's just saying that. remember stand back and stand by. that's a signal and they will interpret it the way they want. >> yeah. >> maybe not the way president trump intend continued. >> very good point. he's got to save that grease for the comb-over. no greasing any palms i don't think in the doj. thank you for being here. republican congresswoman liz cheney is facing a tough primary in wyoming tomorrow. her brutal honesty but trump's dison esty has not been rell received back home. we'll talk about that when we return after the break. about t return after the break ith inflation- congress and president biden are doing something about it. congress just passed the inflation reduction act, reducing costs for millions of families. it lowers the cost of drugs and ramps up production of american-made clean energy. that means lower energy bills for families jobs for our communities and the boldest plan to take on climate change we've ever seen.

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voters in women and ahas can a could end one career and possibly resurrect another. in alaska sarah palin is looking for a rebirth as she tries to fill in the congressional vacancy left by don young. palin is backed by the former president, of course. she's been out of office since 13 years since she abandoned her job as governorn wyoming liz ch is fighting to hold on to her seat she's held for three terms. she's staked her career on expoge posing the president's role in undermining american democracy. cheney is shown trailing her challenger by 29 points.

hagaman used to be a prout friend and supporter of cheney and was among a group of people who south trump from getting the nomination and called trump somebody who is rates of and xenophobic. now she has fully embraced the big lie that the 2020 election was rigged and security threats have mostly prevented cheney from attending public events and rallies as she campaigns. wyoming is a republican strong hold delivering delivering trump the biggest victory in any state he campaigned. >> why not liz chain? >> because she went against trump, vote for the impeachment. she went against trump so she sees against the people of wyoming. >> she's a constitutional conservative, willing to fight the good fight and stands up for what people in wyoming believe in. >> joining me now is dr. joseph mcginley, former chair of the republican party and he's

supporting congresswoman cheney. let me ask you does cheney survive tomorrow? >> well, it's going to be interesting and exciting, and, you know, i think those polls really don't reflect the pulse here in town, especially in central wyoming and casper. i think we'll see a much closer race tomorrow once the results roll in. >> well, the dick cheney ad that's airing there, i want our viewers to take a look because this ad is actually going to be playing not just locally but during sean hannity and "fox & friends" in the morning. take a look and then i'll ask you about it on the other side. >> in our nation's 246-year history there has never been an individual who was a greater threat to our republic than donald trump. he tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. he's a coward. a real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. >> wyoming is a republican strong hold. dick cheney used tonight darling

of the right is this going to have any impact, do you think? >> well, dick cheney, vice president cheney is well-respected here in wyoming. so is representative liz cheney this. ad was very powerful. the vice president really spoke his heart and he spoke the truth as far as, you know, with where he sees the republican party and where he sees principles above the party itself. i think it's really going to help representative cheney, you know. dick cheney really is a heavy voice here in wyoming and people will listen and respect what he has to say. >> well, we'll see what happens tomorrow. i do have to ask you. i know cheney and her opponent were once close. she even campaigned for chain. we've seen a lot of that footage over the weekend. but much like cheney and hagemann there was cheney and trump and liz cheney once supported donald trump and even after the hollywood reporter tapes came out in 2016. she thought his remarks were appalling but still supported with him.

voted with him 97% of the time. do you think she bear is any responsibility in what we're seeing play out with donald trump because she helped put him in office? >> well, you know, representative cheney is a true conservative. i mean, she supported president trump's policies throughout his policy because they agreed on policy. i don't think there's any doubt about that. she has a very strong conservative voting record. i don't think that's enable what we're seeing right now. most republicans supported president trump, so, you are know, i think they are two different things. i think once the election results came in and it was clear that president biden won the election and president trump and his supporters were questioning the election, i think that's where the divide real came about. representative cheney when she disagreed was very vocal throughout president trump's entire presidency. they did have a few runnins throughout that term and, you know, again, she stuck with her conservative values and principles and that's what we're seeing play out. you're seeing leadership versus a politician. representative cheney showing

true leadership right now. >> i want to push back a little bit and get your take a little bit since you're a leader in the republican party because you're saying she did support his policies, but there was so much even about his policies that ran contrary to democracy like with the muslim ban, for example, she supported, and in 2010 she attacked eric holder's justice department and called it the department of jihad. this was also very consistent with trump's rhetoric, and so this wasn't something that came about after the election. wyoming essentially has an open primary, like democrats could step in and try to save cheney if they wanted. they could switch their party affiliation on the day of the election. given she might need democratic support i'm curious what she would say to the democratic voters about her history. >> things change over time. if you look at her support on same-sex marriage. her opinion has changed over her career and over the past few years. she's listening to the constituents. she's listening to the people in wyoming.

we are seeing cross-over voting. it's been rather impressive the new registrant we've seen in the republican party. i'm assuming a lot of these individuals are democrats and independents. to your point they may not necessarily agree with representative cheney on her policies, but they really believe in her and her principles and believe she's going to do the right thing even though they may disagree. she may listen and may have that conversation and, again, she's shown a willingness to change, even if it doesn't increase her popularity within the party. >> well, we will definitely be watching tomorrow. thank you, dr. joe mcginley, for joining us and giving us that important context. it's been one year since the u.s. forces left the taliban in control in afghanistan. no one is feeling the pain more than women and girls who are now living under their rule. we'll take a look at that on the other side of this break. doesn't go anywhere. t on the other side of this break doesn't go anywhere. oh, i can tell business is going through the “woof”. but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected

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all right. it was just one year ago today, august 15th, 2021, kabul fell to the taliban after 20 years of democracy and freedom for the afghan people. now in the year since the taliban has imposed severe restricted within the country, particularly on women. nbc's kelly cobiella took a deep dive into what happened over the past year. >> reporter: a defiant and dangerous protest by women in kabul, beaten by taliban fighters for gathering in the street. chanting bread, work and

freedom! a year ago today thousands desperately trying to escape as the taliban encircled the capital, fighting to get on the class flights out of the country, handing over their children, many terrified they would be hunted down for working with the u.s. kabul fell in hours with almost no resistance. the country's former president fleeing in a helicopter. >> and the reason i left was because i did not want to give the taliban and their supporters the pleasure of yet again humiliating an afghan president. >> the new rulers promise to be more moderate than the taliban. 1990s and vowed to not harbor al qaeda or others planning to attack the west. after the u.s. drone strike that killed al qaeda leader ayman al zawahri this month in kabul, the taliban insisted they didn't know he was living in the capital. the white house claiming in a newly declassified intelligence

report that al zawahri was the only key al qaeda figure trying to re-establish himself in afghanistan adding that the terror group does not have a capability to launch attacks against the u.s. or its interests abroad from that country. drought and sanctions have destroyed afghanistan's economy. more than a million children are at risk of severe malnutrition as we saw firsthand back in january. today women's freedoms have all but disappeared. morality police make sure they are covered and traveling with a male escourse. girls older than 11 can't go to school. yet some women and girls so determined to learn are studying in secret. a network of underground schools reportedly springing up across the country. >> all right. joining me now is a former seep i don't remember state department adviser and former house senior director under president barack obama. thanks so much for being here. you know, watching that package, and i've been riding about the

anniversary all weekend and what the women -- women and children are facing and really everybody, but i'm just partial to women and children and what they are going through. tell me what do you think their future hold after we've seen what the past year has done to them? >> we should be partial to what women and childrenare experiencing because they bear the brunt of war and they have to deal with the day-to-day lack of access to water and education. we saw the women throughout the 20-year war which haddos, not having the men in their lives to support them, having to take on that role as well despite the fact that the taliban around them were discouraging them from advancing themselves. we also saw that women were advancing in society. we had girls attending college. if you were born on 9/11, you were an 18, 19-year-old by the time the united states was drawing down from afghanistan. you have an entire generation of

girls who became women who had hoped for a future that was instantly taken away from them when the united states left. >> which is so devastating to see, and i really don't understand it because afghanistan is experiencing a of secondary education, translates to a loss of a least 500 million u.s. dollars for the afghan economy in the last 12 months. and if the cohort of 3 million girls are able to complete their secondary education and participate in the job market, they would contribute at least 5.4 billion dollars to afghans a connolly. why are they shooting themselves in the foot? >> well, the taliban is not really interested in advancing the interests of the afghan people, let alone advancing afghan society and women and children. they are interested in power and imposing a very rigid

interpretation of theology. it's actually the same taliban that existed 20 years ago, or the same taliban that harbored al-qaeda back in the day. they are now back in power but they realized over the course of 20 years out a better use technology and out a message themselves better. -- they will say that simply to keep international monitors off of their back simply to get access to money that they can then use as a grip to support their power. they have not changed. what we are seeing it a lot of rural communities is that afghan villagers, afghan people were willing to accept taliban rules simply to have security and peace. so we're seeing the trade-off of being made of having security instead of having human rights. that's a choice that no one should ever have to make. >> i began my career in journalism around this time it

was a very disconcerting to immediately see people takedown signs, and it here to the taliban's wishes. a movement out of fear, it was something that even they knew democracy was only temporary for them which is a sad sight. i want to ask you about this report that is coming out from the house foreign affairs committee republicans where they're tightening biden for the evacuation. they said he was a failure, it was inadequately planned and they execute the, the republicans are alleging that president biden misled the american public about the consequences of a withdrawal. to be fair, when i first watched this news come about, and it was really challenging to watch in a few days, but when they executed and withdrawal of tens of thousands of people it was quite a sight to see. is there any credibility of truth to what the republicans are suggesting here in this report? >> there are several

administrations worth of fall to be found here, and we can start more recently with the trump administration. despite years of efforts to negotiate a peace deal with the taliban, something i was involved with in the obama administration, trump decided he was going to cut a deal directly with the taliban insurgents and cut out the afghan government entirely. immediately under cutting any hope of having a sustainable democracy and showing the afghan people that the united states was only interested in leaving. in addition to that, president trump undermined and diminished the capacity of the united states to process visas, to evacuate refugees from all over the world. so all of a sudden you have president biden now having to execute a date of withdrawal the trump picked with minimal resources to actually make any of that happen and this despite the fact that as vice president, he was one of the lone voices that wanted the withdrawal. he was against surges, he has a

long record of saying he wanted to draw this war down. but it was not ideal in any way to perform and a big part of that was because of the 19 years of what he inherited. >> look, this is not afghanistan and women here in america are certainly not living the terrors of the women in afghanistan, but it's just striking to me that the republicans are focused on this and they actively oppress women's rights here and our own country. we're running out of time here. i want the latest on britney griner, her lawyers are appealing her conviction. walk us through that, what does that mean for her? this is harmful or hurtful or helpful to her. does it expedite her coming home? >> her agreeing to plead guilty, or making a statement of apology for violating russia law does not actually mean in this case that she did those things. it's a tactical decision to plead guilty, to get leniency from the russian court and to set up a situation where the

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