♪♪ good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. a justice department court filing opposing the release of the affidavit underpinning the mar-a-lago search reveals for the first time the full extent of the government's investigation. not the details but that it's a real criminal investigation. the judge who signed off will hear arguments whether to unseal the affidavit this thursday. prosecutors argue the affidavit must remain sealed to protect witnesses and avoid compromising what they call a, quote, ongoing criminal investigation stemming

from the fbi's search. the former president continues to rail against the fbi and the justice department on his social media account. now calling for the complete un-redacted affidavit to be released. to be released publically and for the judge in florida to recuse himself. another sign legal challenges are closing in on the president and his inner circle, in georgia, rudy giuliani has been notified he is a target in the investigation into possible election interference. being a target is the first sign indicating the former prosecutor and new york city mayor is likely to be indicted. today could mark the beginning of the end for a political dynasty, the cheneys in wyoming, at least in congress. it could set the stage for a bigger national role for liz cheney and a presidential run in 2024. we will check in with steve

kornacki to look at battles in alaska featuring sarah palin and another trump foil, lisa murkowski. we begin this hour with ken dilanian, carol linnick and paul charlton. ken, there have been so many developments in the last 24 hours. that court filing was revealing. we had and other lawyers had been caveating that just because there was a search at mar-a-lago could mean they just wanted the stuff back. they wanted the national security documents to be in a secure place. no legal jeopardy for the president. now we know there's a criminal investigation and they want to keep the affidavit -- the underlying affidavit secret because they have confidential sources and it would compromise the investigation. >> that's right, andrea. we talked sunday on "meet the press" about the possibilities.

we can exclude the one. they just want their documents back and that's the end of it. because this filing by the justice department says that unsealing this affidavit would cause irreparable damage to their investigation, would reveal witnesses that they have been talking to, investigative techniques. it would provide a road map to their investigation. this is an ongoing, very serious, elaborate criminal investigation. it's not just about getting documents back. >> it's not about keeping secret -- but that's a collateral benefit to them, keeping secret the classified issues that are underlying here. that is not the main reason they are objecting to the affidavit. >> that's right. i have confirmed with a senior doj official reporting first done by "the wall street journal" that merrick garland deliberated whether to seek the search warrant for a matter of weeks and conducted high level meetings with fbi personnel and

others. people will say, wasn't there some urgency to getting this classified information back? it's clear that that's not what this is about. we don't know -- one can imagine steps they took as soon as they learned there was top secret information at mar-a-lago. the fbi could have taken steps to make sure they knew that information wasn't going anywhere. there's things they could have done. they could have put agents outside the gates. what's clear is that there was more to this than just getting the documents back, there was a lot of deliberation that went into the decision to seek this. >> did they have access to cctv, the cameras there? at some point did they get access to that? >> what the trump lawyers are saying is that when the fbi went in, they asked trump's people to turn those cameras off to protect the identities of fbi agents. it's not clear whether that happened. there's reporting also that they issued grand jury subpoenas for some segments of the footage. we at nbc news have not confirmed that. that's an interesting detail. there's reporting that they saw

boxes of documents being moved and that caused great concern. >> paul charlton, we're not lawyers, but you are. a former prosecutor. draw on your experience to describe just how important it is that this affidavit -- affidavits sometimes are released, but this be kept under seal. they're going to court to argue this thursday, both for the witnesses involves and what the investigators need to accomplish and other ways long-term. >> that's right. this is a critically important response for the government. they want to keep this affidavit secure. it's also important to note they said it's not a hypothetical to say witnesses are at risk. we know that from reporting, the department of justice confirmed that's a concern that will chill witnesses who may wish to come forward. andrea, i have opposed many motions to unseal affidavits. the government almost always wins. on the first page of this motion by the government on the first

footnote, the government seems to acknowledge that there's an intersection between real politic and the law. the government says if we lose here, your honor, allow us an opportunity to provide the court first with a redacted version of this affidavit so too much information would not be disclosed. >> carol, former trump -- president trump is attacking the fbi and justice department on a daily basis. we're seeing such a high level of threat level online activity. we are told by our experts, as high as it has been since january 6. you saw the warning from homeland and doj, specific warning over the weekend. how concerned are they about threats to law enforcement, in some cases because of things the former president has said and his supporters have said? >> it's very alarming to the department of justice, andrea, and to the fbi, because what we

have been told here at "the washington post" is that specific individuals even within the department of justice who are in some way named or flagged as related to this case have gotten some special security steps taken. we have not, obviously, been given names. that's a worry. i would guess that merrick garland's security detail is beefed up as well in the wake of the threats. we're told here at "the post" that the threats are significantly higher to these individuals and to the body of law enforcement agents connected to the fbi because -- largely because donald trump has sort of, again, put a target on the back of a government agency doing its job. i have heard from several legal experts that they view this search as extremely limited, surgical even. i have seen situations where an

fbi executes a search warrant and they say, we own this building, everybody take your hands off your work documents, your computers, your tablets, your phones, put everything down, this is now our property. in the case of mar-a-lago, the search was very finite and very specific. perhaps that goes to what ken was saying earlier about the attorney general sort of fixating on this for several weeks before making a decision on authorizing an approving this search. >> carol, you have so much expertise. you have literally written the book on the secret service as well as covering it for years. the secret service is in the middle of this. the detail that's down there, they were notified in advance of the search. they gave access when law enforcement came, one to another. what about secret service being questioned? we have information that homeland at various points, when

they were trying to find out what's in here, was questioning secret service agents involved maybe in washington as well as in florida as to what was packed, what was unpacked, what's still there. >> yeah. the department of justice -- it's a smart question, because the department of justice is trying to figure out, how did these materials get here? who took them? who was involved? they obviously have an inside source or more than one inside source advising them about what they know about the departure, essentially, of these records, some of them classified. our colleagues here have reported there was concern about nuclear weapon information and material, signals intelligence, important, sensitive material. it's important to focus on the secret service's role for one reason in my mind. the service wasn't given very much sort of courtesy warning that the fbi was coming down.

this is a law enforcement agency of the executive branch. why didn't the fbi feel enough trust to sort of involve the secret service as participants in this investigation? that's how sensitive it was. instead of asking them, hey, i want you to know we're coming down here, we need your help, it was more, by the way, we will be coming soon, get ready. that is just really intriguing to me. i don't have an answer for you now. but i think it's important that they didn't really give the secret service a lot of role as a law enforcement agency. >> that's such an interesting tell, if you will. a string to be followed and pulled on. we have learned that eric

herschman has been subpoenaed. >> i said, i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth now on, ordinarily transition. i don't want to hear any other fin' words other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. eventually, he said, orderly transition. i said, good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advise you are getting in your life. get a great fin' criminal defense lawyer, you are going to need it. >> paul, we can imagine, since he was in the room with so many of the characters, john eastman and the others, the attempt to take over the justice department, the attempt to come up with fake electors, all of that and the scheming, that he could be a very interesting

informational witness for the january 6, i presume a accept grand jury in the federal case. >> that's right. this is yet another in a series of grand jury subpoenas that have been publically reported upon. what it reflects in my mind is an intentional and deliberate assimilation of evidence. we don't yet know where that evidence will lead the grand jury or the department of justice. but it's good and appropriate. the department of justice is gathering information so that at the end of the day, they can pause and make a decision as to who, if anyone, ought to be charged with a crime or multiple crimes for what occurred january 6. >> paul, thank you so much. carol, all of your expertise. of course, ken, our buddy right here who has been all over all of these angles. what a couple days, a week -- a week and a day since the search warrant itself. there's more on the trump legal

front. allen weisselberg is expected to accept a plea agreement for his role in a tax avoidance scheme as soon as this thursday. tom winter joining us from new york. tom, what do investigators expect from weisselberg as part of the agreement? he knew more about -- knew about everything going on in the trump organization than almost anyone else. he was the cfo. >> i would say so. as much as the former president who obviously was the figurehead of the trump organization. when you look at this plea agreement, it sounds as if it's going to be narrowly focused on a couple of different areas. we will get to jail time first. we are hearing likely to spend five months behind bars as a result of this. he is expected to plead, as we have been reporting with my colleagues, expected to plead guilty on thursday morning in court -- in state court in manhattan. he is expected to provide

testimony in an upcoming trial against the trump organization, not any specific member of the trump family, but the trump organization. we have no indication at all that he is going to provide any sort of testimony directly against the former president or his children, don junior, eric trump or ivanka trump. right now, this appears to be very narrowly focused. it resolves the upcoming legal case against weisselberg. two, it establishes a penalty for him. he is willing to go to jail for the former president, presumably jail time would have been off the table if he had something to provide and if he did cooperate with prosecutors. third, it appears at this point he will provide some testimony against the trump organization when there's the trial against that organization. not all the charges are the same between the two. the trump organization faces some different charges. he will speak to some of that. that's all that weisselberg. we do not expect anything in

terms of cooperation. could other members of the organization be on the hook? that's something we will look out for. this does end a significant chapter in this investigation. >> the corporation itself is a closely held family corporation. by going against the corporation, they're going against the interests of the adult children who are the officers of the corporation and, of course, the former president. >> i think, andrea -- you have talked about this on your show over the last five or six years. at the end of the day, as close as the trump organization is to the trump family and the former president, it's ultimately your loyalty to the former president that cuts it for him. at this point, it appears that's a line that weisselberg is not willing to cross. >> tom winter, thank you, as always. breaking news from the white house. first lady dr. jill biden has tested positive for covid. negative rapid tests last night and this morning, a pcr test

came back positive today. she's double vaccinated, twice boosted and is experiencing mild symptoms. dr. biden is taking the antiviral paxlovid and will isolate for five days. the president tested negative today. as a close contact, he is taking precautions. no word on whether it could impact this afternoon's bill signing. that's not expected at all. president biden will be returning to washington for that bill signing and had covid earlier this summer, including a second rebound case after taking paxlovid. liz cheney's last stand? perhaps not. the odds stacked against her in today' primary. what is the congresswoman signaling about her future beyond 2022? stay with us. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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it's primary day in alaska and wyoming. another test for election denying republicans in both

states. liz cheney is likely to lose her re-elect bid to hageman, who is echoing trump's lies. hagemanmbraced the former president. in alaska, senator lisa murkowski facing a denier. sarah palin is hopes for a political comeback, running in a special election for the sole congressional seat. joining me now is vaughan hillyard and ali vitali. vaughan, if liz cheney loses, she would be the eighth republican who lost or retired after voting to impeach donald trump in congress. that's a pretty good record for the former president in terms of congressional primaries, republican primaries. >> reporter: right. the number of folks who decided to retire instead of mounting

what were going to be difficult primary bids. fred upton, he was likely going to lose. decided to retire this spring. then you saw tom rice, peter meyer, they did try to go for it. they did lose. now liz cheney is up. nobody can say she doesn't have history. when you talk about the cheney family, her father first elected here 44 years ago. for liz cheney, the difficult part is that there was hope over the last couple months she would be able to have made her case to republican wyoming voters as to why she was taking this fight up to capitol hill to hold donald trump to account. we are staring at a likely loss, a significant loss for liz cheney. that's the reckoning point, not only for her but other republicans who have wanted to

resist donald trump in the past and are looking at doing that ahead and that voters aren't with them yet. for liz cheney, if she's not able to keep this close, it would have been an unsuccessful effort to try to sway these voters to really understand that donald trump was a part of january 6 and was a big part of propagating the election conspiracy theories. that's why i want you to hear a little bit of the candidate on the cusp of knocking liz cheney out of this. >> absolutely the election was rigged. it was rigged to make sure president trump could not get re-elected. yes, there were problems with that election. >> reporter: this republican party is going to look more like donald trump's republican party when it's all said and done after the primaries this fall. >> vaughan, i have known a lot of -- i've known the cheneys, a lot of republicans in wyoming, generations of simpsons, three

generations of simpsons. this is a changing of the guard. this is so different than the wyoming that we saw for decades and decades. it's a passing of the guard of generations. i'm sure it's very difficult for the cheneys. she's looking toward the future. she's now a national figure. ali, you cover congress. you will see more of liz cheney. but now you are in alaska, a possible rebirth politically of sarah palin running for the sole congressional seat there. of course, lisa murkowski also voting for impeachment in a very interesting crowded rank choice senate race. >> reporter: yeah. andrea, we see these people all the time in the halls of congress. liz cheney and lisa murkowski. we are on their home turf. lisa is trying for re-election

against trump's headwinds where he endorsed her opponent. tonight, she has to make the top four. at least, today is a decision day but not the decision day despite the fact that trump listed her as one of his top targets. then sarah palin, her national profile may be the thing that's her undoing in talking to several of the other candidates here in this race. they talk about the fact that while sarah palin is nationally known, she doesn't spend a lot of time in alaska. we have been trying to catch up with her. we haven't seen very much of her at all. >> sarah palin left her role as governor. she quit after two years as governor and left the state of alaska to pursue a career in political entertainment, reality tv, even dancing on stage in a bear costume. these are not the ways we expect our representative to represent the state of alaska and the

serious opportunities that we offer to the nation as a resource state. >> reporter: look, andrea, is there one of her opponents, also someone with deep political family roots in the state. not all of them republican. he is one of the people who does not have trump's endorsement but is still trying to take this seat from the late congressman don young. that's the seat they are up for tonight. >> was his father a former governor? a popular governor? >> reporter: exactly. >> vaughan, ali, i know you will be up late and it's a long time before we get the alaska results. thanks to both of you. joining me now is robert gibbs, former white house press secretary to president obama and susan delapersaco. what does this tell you about the republican party? >> it does what vaughan hillyard said.

it shows it's donald trump's republican party. that doesn't mean it always will be. i would bet on liz cheney's future and her legacy much more heavily than i would on donald trump's at this point. >> why do you say that in terms of -- she will have certainly a platform in terms of the committee, the hearings in september, the final decisions. the republican party right now is still donald trump's party, at least for the next couple of years. what does she do in an international campaign? third party, republican, in 2024, if she runs? >> i don't think it's 2024. i think we're going to look forwards 2026 or 2028 for liz cheney. what does she do in between then? whether she's speaking to conservative groups that didn't want anything to do with donald trump. i don't see her going third party. she's a conservative's

conservative. i do think she can serve as a light for a lot of former republicans and maybe republicans like myself who are so turned off by what donald trump -- more importantly, the people following, especially those elected officials who just, frankly, just bow to him because they are so scared and cowards. i think there's a long future for liz cheney. it's surprising, you mentioned earlier, to see a cheney not win a republican primary in wyoming. it's shocking. 30 years in my business, i never thought i would say those words. >> i know. her mom and dad wrote a book about congress from the perspective of he was a republican congress member. they wrote a book about the institution itself. robert gibbs, you campaigned against sarah palin when she was running for vice president. you were on the obama team. what do you make of the prospect of sarah palin being in the u.s. house?

>> well, i mean, it's a far cry from what i think we expected when we watched it all unfold in 2008. i think you see in that clip that was shown right there, the real rap on sarah palin is she's not alaska, she's everywhere else. i think we watched from the governorship and then embarking on kind of a reality tv career. i think it's going to work against her. now she's spent a lot of time trying to convince alaskans that she wants to represent them. i think it's going to be interesting to watch these results. it doesn't appear as if she's gained a big foothold. it will be interesting watching this rank choice voting. lisa murkowski could -- because alaska is different with an independent streak, this rank

choice voting that allows really to build a broad coalition from the get-go, is probably why the fate of lisa murkowski is different from liz cheney. >> lisa murkowski won on a write-in when she didn't win the republican nomination one cycle again. she manages to get back on the ballot. robert, while we have you here, the president could be signing this big bill this afternoon. he feels he has some wind at his back. he is out campaigning. he has beaten back covid. he can get out there. they have done incredibly well legislatively compared to anything that had been predicted, compared to history. does that change the dynamic as long as inflation still is very high? >> that's really the big question. i think the last few weeks have been impactful for the history books and for what joe biden and

democrats in congress have been able to accomplish. now the real challenge is taking those accomplishments and merchandising them on the campaign trail. there's a lot in this bill that all voters and particularly democratic voters are going to like. it has the possibility of getting younger votes that tend to drop off in midterm elections excited. it's incumbent upon the white house and the democratic apparatus to get this message out and spend the next 11 or 12 weeks left in this election cycle talking about what they have done and where they want to go. >> robert, susan, thank you both so much. an historic bill. as we have been say, president biden will sign that big bill, the agenda's biggest legislative win so far. his top economic advisor impacting how it's going to impact your wallet.

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it's the inflation reduction act. there's a debate over how much it will reduce inflation in the near term. it passed with no republican votes. it aims to lower prescription drug costs, address global warming and raise taxes on billion dollar corporations. joining us now is brian deas. i know you are looking forward to the signing ceremony. what does this mean in the short term? some of the drug price contros will not be felt until 2026 and only for senior citizens on medicare because of compromises to get it through. we're aware of what a tightrope you were walking. where do you think the impact -- the inflation impact will be? >> this will have impact for the american people and it will take on some of the longer-term economic issues we have never really taken on in this country. in terms of the immediate impact, this fall, there will be

13 million americans who will see lower health care premiums as a result of this bill. that means concrete savings for people and the peace of mind they will continue to afford health insurance. starting at the beginning of next year, we will begin implements a $2,000 out of pocket cap on prescription drug costs for those people who are in medicare, whiching savings for people who have chronic conditions like cancer. medicare negotiating for better prescription prices will benefit the federal government with lower costs to medicare but also people as well. immediately -- this is often overlooked -- consumer tax credits for energy efficiency and clean energy. many of them are in place as of enactment when the president signs the bill. a family who needs to upgrade their heating system or their air conditioning or their appliances, they are costs everybody has to do. this bill will give people a tax

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models underestimate is the energy side. this bill will increase supply of energy. more affordable energy in the united states. the easing of price pressures in the economy when we have more secure supply, more reliable supply and lower cost supply of energy, that filters through not only to households but for companies and investment, our industrial production in the united states. this bill is doing the sense of the long-term reforms on energy and prescription drugs, but in a way that moves us in the right direction on inflation in the short-term as well. >> as you point out, one of the biggest achievements is on climate change. it's expected to reduce carbon emissions by 40% by 2030. that's a big achievement considering where we were. tell us about the incentives to get people to switch to electric vehicles. how quickly can that be accomplished? >> sure. with the passage of this bill, when the president signs it into law, the united states will for the first time ever be able to

say, we can confidently meet our climate goals through 2030 and beyond. we can do it in a way that increases energy security with more secure, reliable supply here at home. that's a big deal. it's a big deal for the country and for american families. it's also a big deal for the world and our ability to lead on this critical issue internationally as well. the way that we do that is to provide long-term technology neutral incentives to make sure we are generating more clean energy but also the innovation. that's where the electric vehicles issue comes in place. this bill provides incentives for electric vehicles but for the production, manufacturing and the mring of the batteries that go into the vehicles happening here in the united states and with secure supply chains where we're not reliant on countries that don't share our values across time. that's going to set a high bar for american companies. but our goal is to set a high bar and to say, if you want those tax credits, work to try

to build more secure supply chains and that's something we will work closely with the industry on in the coming years. >> a big part of the taxes that were in the bill were compromised out because of senator sinema. the legislation doesn't have everything originally proposed. senator sinema was able to remove the carried interest tax provision. in the final day of the vote, a controversial tax break that benefits private equity managers as well as the requirement that private equity partners pay the 15% corporate -- not pay the 15% corporate income tax. do you think the u.s. is ever going to be able to beat back those lobbyists and campaign contributors who clearly got to the arizona senator at a key moment, and she had all the leverage? >> i think the answer to that is yes. you see in the bill that areas where for years people have said special interests in washington would always win and that there would never be any progress. you see historic progress in this context, prescription drug

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techniques to avoid paying taxes, we will crack down on that. i want to add, we're doing all of that, notwithstanding some of the misinformation out there, we are doing all of that without raising taxes at all on anybody making less than $400,000 a year. that was a commitment the president made. he is making good on that commitment with this legislation. >> a lot of misinformation about that. thanks for clearing it up. thanks for making sense of this. i appreciate it. >> thanks. looming indictment? rudy giuliani is scheduled to appear before the georgia grand jury. he is a target, why that word is so important. that's next on "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. t on "andrea mitc reports. this is msnbc. can tell business is going through the “woof”. but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network.

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rudy giuliani who has been he is a target of the criminal investigation in georgia has been told he has to show up to testify to the grand jury there tomorrow.

after the president's former personal lawyer tried to avoid appearing, claiming he was too frail to fly south. the judge told him, he could travel, quote, on a train, bus or uber after the district attorney said her team obtained records indicating giuliani had bought multiple airline tickets to rome and zurich for travel between july 19 and 21, according to the associated. his attorney says his client will decline to answer conversations about his conversations with former president trump. a federal judge rejected senator graham's efforts to avoid testifying in that case. he plans to appeal the decision. joining me now is blayne alexander from atlanta. in the middle of the legal action. giuliani's lawyers said a doctor recommended he not fly because of health reasons. trying to delay his testimony again. do we know how he is getting there? he will manage to get there, right?

>> reporter: yeah, you know, there's certainly a lot of questions about, one, his transportation down here. that's something a lot of people are watching closely. we don't know how he is going to get here. we reached out to his attorneys. haven't heard back today. during that hearing last week, as you mentioned, the judge said, listen, okay, according to a doctor's note, it's not safe, it's not good to travel by air. don't come by air. he offered -- he threw out different options, by train, by coach. break it up into legs. travel from new york to d.c. spend the night and take another couple of days to get down here. the judge did seem to be understanding. he left open the door, the possibility and said that if at some point during that eight or so days between that hearing last week and when giuliani is scheduled to testify tomorrow, if his legal team can produce a more detailed doctor's note or explanation essentially saying why the trip overall wouldn't be good for him, then he would be open to pushing that date back. so far, that note has not been

materialized. he is still set to testify tomorrow. as for what we are expecting to hear from him, a number of legal experts, including several i have spoken to, do believe that he is going to plead the fifth. all of this is a closed proceeding. we're not privy to what's going to happen. legal minds say else now that we know, now that his attorneys have been notified he is a target of the investigation, that is likely he will plead the fifth. his attorney told nbc news he plans to invoke attorney/client privilege pertaining to any conversations that he had that the president's former attorney had with former president trump. we do know that it's likely that he could possibly extend that and plead the fifth as well. i think it's important to remind our viewers why he wants to -- why the d.a. wants to hear from him, how he fits into this. it all goes back to those hearings, those statements he made before georgia lawmakers in december of 2020 where he essentially pedalled a number of false claims, false election

claims, conspiracy theories about georgia's election, including targeting the two election workers saying they were trying to lean and flip the election in biden's favor. they received death threats after that. we expect he will be questioned heavily on that suggest. >> you have a lot ahead of you. that's an interesting hearing tomorrow. blayne alexander, thanks so much. decision day. eight hours until the first polls close in today's primaries in wyoming and alaska. two beautiful states. steve kornacki is at the big board. we will check in with him next on "andrea mitchell reports." open. it's a beautiful word. neighborhoods "open". businesses "open". fields "open". who doesn't love "open"? offices. homes. stages. possibilities. your world. open. and you can help keep it that way. ♪♪

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big reasons to watch today in wyoming and alaska providing a test of donald trump's power. with liz cheney facing deeffete in wyoming. and lisa murkowski bidding for another senate term ask sarah palin with trump's backing who better to sort all this out than steve kornacki. he's here to break it down for us at big board. so this is complicated. different kinds of ball the lotting and very slow count at least in alaska. >> it could be a slow count in

wyoming too. although if the polling that we have been seeing is accurate, we may still get a clear picture. you have liz cheney, one of those ten republicans who voted to impeach donald trump, the most prominent of them, the most persistent of them. with the trump-backed challenger. there is a third candidate. he hasn't got much reaction for all intents and purposes. this is a one-on-one race. there hasn't been much, but the polling suggested hageman has a substantial lead coming into the primary. the other troubling signs is the track record of republicans like her. here you go. the list of ten republicans who voted to impeach trump after january of last year. this is what's happened. a numb of them chose not to run, but you have a number who lost primaries. tom rice in south carolina. peter meyer in michigan recently. jaime butler in washington.

there are two who got through pimaries. those primaries were a little bit different though. they were the top two primaries. democrats, republicans, all in the same ballot, jumbled fields, top two advancing to the general election. valadao did not have a opponent backed by donald trump. he stayed out of that race completely. newhouse got 25% of the vote. he was able to survive with 25% of the vote. again, cheney is pretty much in a one-on-one race here. very different dynamic. trump has endorsed hageman in this race. if liz cheney were to be competitive or pull this off, she would really be bucking the trend that we have been seeing when it comes to these republicans. and the other race we're looking at tonight, there's a lot of suspense here, is this alaska special election. three candidates and basically folks here are ranking it. first choice, second choice,

third choice. one democrat and two republicans in the race. the expectation democrat probably finishes first. the question is who finishes second, who finishes third. third place gets eliminated. then the second choice votes from that third place candidates get reallocated. so potentially that make or break race for second place. we'll be watching for that tonight in alaska. >> thank you very much, steve kornacki. it's completely clear. that's why we'll be watching tonight to figure out what's going to happen there. and liz cheney may end up with a national race in the future. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online on facebook and twitter. a special edition of "chris jansing reports" live from wyoming starts right after this. m wyoming starts right after this. , you can do just about anything. thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings.

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hello, i'm chris jansing live at the ceyenne decent poe plaza. this state home to yellow stoun is also the first state to give women the right to vote. and today it's also home to the most closely watched primary in the country as liz cheney, once the third ranking republican in the the house, is fighting to hold on to her job. it has been an incredible turn of events for a woman who once