good to be with you. given the flood of developments and news coverage, you would think donald trump was still in office. he is not. but the consequences of his one-term continue to have a massive effect on our democracy. more specifically, at least in this moment on our judicial system. there are a lot of new developments and multiple investigations to catch you up on. first up, the federal judge who approved the mar-a-lago search warrant has called for a hearing on thursday to decide whether to

release the affidavit. several news outlets have asked for it to be unsealed. but the doj says unsealing the document would hurt this and other high profile investigations. the wild card here is all the heat that is coming off the search in mar-a-lago. the death threats to the fbi and government officials. just yesterday, a pennsylvania man was charged for threatening to kill fbi agents. and remember last week, when an ohio man tried to break into an fbi field office with a nail gun and an assault rifle. trump oddly has acknowledged that the temperature needs to be brought down. in the same breath, he's continued to attack the doy and federal agents. while the former president faces mounting legal trouble, he's not the only one on the state level, rudy giuliani, donald trump's personal attorney, is now a target of georgia's investigation into the attempt

to overturn the 2020 election. he is set to appear before a special grand jury there tomorrow. and here in new york, long time trump organizationalen weisselberg is expected to plead guilty to tax fraud charges in connection to his work for donald trump. new reporting from nbc news says the 75-year-old was expected to be sentenced to five months in jail as part of that plea deal. but he will not testify against his old boss, or his current boss. that is just the beginning. there is a lot more to get you up to speed on. keep this in mind as we go through all of it. there is a lot at stake here. the decisions that are made are not made by the doj and this country's courts could fundamentally alter our democracy. joining me now, justice reporter ryan riley and nbc investigative correspondent. also, the deputy national editor at the "washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. also, andrew wiceman, legal

analyst, he was a senior member of the mueller investigation. so tom, looking at this argument that the doj is making, disclosure at this juncture supporting probable cause would by contrast cause significant and irreparable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation. they also add, there is highly sensitive information about witnesses that could derail not just this investigation but other investigations. and also, the affidavit would serve as a road map to the government's ongoing investigation. i know that doj speaks through court filings. what is this one telling you? >> yeah. i think it is a couple of thing. some of what they've put in there would be boilerplate for any sort of search warrant effort to unseal a search warrant affidavit. they talk about the threat to

national security involved in this investigation. i think the fact that they talk about how it could serve as a road map. they pointed out this issue, something you touched on at the beginning of the program. the threats to witnesses, people that they've spoken to. there is also a reference to grand jury secrecy and grand jury material. we know that there's a subpoena that was already issue in the course of this investigation. has there been any other activity before the grand jury? i think that's interesting. that's something that maybe we will or won't hear about given grand jury secrecy in the coming days and weeks. the highlights from this. they're talking to people. they've undertaken numerous investigative step that's they want to keep quiet and they don't want anybody to know what they've done already in an effort to perhaps provide them some sort of a road map as to where this investigation is going next. that is the important component of this. i would imagine for andrew wiceman, it would probably make

him sick to his stomach that the ongoing investigation search warrant affidavits would be made public if he puts on his old hat if he's a prosecutor and going back to the days in the eastern district. that someone like me could look at it or even a criminal defendant. the justice department has a lot on the line that to do with these things. just case precedent is not necessarily on news organization's side. >> you've been invoked. i'm going to get you respond to that. when i read other investigations in this statement, witnesses that might be helpful for other investigations, in my mind, i feel like i have an educated guess. am i wrong to make an assumption? >> so on that i would not jump to saying that involves the sort of january 6th investigations. it is possible that that is encompassed but it is also

possible what doj is saying is it really is just a bad precedent for witnesses in any high profile investigation to have to be concerned about warrants like this being made public. so i would say it probably encompasses what you're concerned about but not necessarily that is what they were referring to. and then to tom's point, whether i'm putting on my old hat or my new hat. there is no question that i agree that the law is very favorable for the government with respect to opposing the the full disclosure of the affidavit. where i do think that i could see the judge pushing back a little bit is on this issue of whether a redacted affidavit could be turned over and disclosed. the government dealt with that only in a footnote and said they did think long and hard about that possibility. but that the redactions would

render the affidavit to eventually be swiss cheese and it wouldn't reveal anything that would be hepple to the public. that was a flat out assertion. i can see the judge questioning that. he may conclude that's right. but it didn't really flush it out in the papers. >> what about the heat surrounding this? the threats the to fbi agents, the threats to law enforcement officers. other government officials. the demands to know more about the reasoning behind searching mar-a-lago. it is coming pretty loudly from the republican side. will that factor into the judge's decision? might it give more weight to releasing at least a little more information to the public? i think that there is such a strong public interest is something that will weigh in favor of the news organizations in terms of disclosure. anything anything involving the identity of witnesses, fbi

agents, is surely going to be, remain redacted, even if the judge is sympathetic to the idea of a partially redacted version being made public. it is important to note though that the law is very favorable to the government in this application. but this is such a unique situation. you can imagine the judge trying to figure out a way to reveal something about the affidavit. judge so let's talk about the heat. the threats to doy and to fbi agent official. another man was arrested. this one in pennsylvania for making death threats to fbi agents. just go online. go on any social media outlet and you will see people that are putting their face online and saying that the fbi needs to be taken down. there are a lot of threats out there. is the fbi aware of all of these? are they actively searching them out? what is the line that they're drawing for free speech?

and threat? >> there are a lot of complications. we have the first amendment which allows people to express their distrust or dislike of the fbi. but there is that line and you can't cross it in terms of direct threats. of course, there are a ton of direct threats online. some of them are coming in through various mechanisms. this arrest in pennsylvania was a result of another outside organization that does a lot of online monitoring, passed it along to the fbi and they went off that tip. that's how a lot of these come in. the open source side of this for the fbi is very complicated because they don't want to be out there trawling the internet and looking for things, given the fbi's history. but tips are very important to how these come in. we saw it in the january 6th investigation. to give you a sense of how overwhelmed the fbi is, in terms the january 6th investigation. so nine months after january

6th, i wrote a story identifying this man, antonio la mata who was inside the capital. if you remember back to 2020, he was one of those two individuals who went to philadelphia. he was a cuban believer and he went -- a qanon believer. they stood outside and came to the convention center where the votes were being counted. they looked at him for a while and finally when this footage from the capitol attack surfaced, they found him inside. that was nine months later when i reported it in october. just today he's been arrested. so ten months later he was arrested. you think about that in terms of the volume of cases that they're dealing with on january 6th. you're talking about a burro under siege -- a bureau that is undersiege. >> so when the former president donald trump goes out and says that the heat needs to be lower,

that he wants to help bring it down. what exactly is he saying? what can we take from that? >> well, he's the one who has been turning the heat up since the fbi search last monday. i mean, he's the one who has been calling this an unjustified and improper search, even though it was authorized by a court. and the former president is the one who has been urging his supporters on social media and elsewhere to target the fbi, to target the justice department, to go after people he believes are doing wrong by investigating these documents and seeking to take them back to the national archives, which is where legally they belong. so you know, it is one thing to say, turn down the heat and the temperature. but he's obviously the accelerant here. >> all right. let's bring in blaine alexander. the other bit of news here has to do with rudy giuliani.

yesterday we learned that he was a target in georgia's investigation into the attempt to overturn the 2020 election. do we know what it means to be a target in a state court? we know for federal courts. what is the state court saying? >> reporter: well, the d.a. is not speaking specifically about this but this is a significant change in status. to go from a witness to a target. indictment is possible. not a certainty but a possibility. well this change in status, it now means this is the closest trump associate that we know to be a target of the d.a.'s investigation here in georgia. but it doesn't mean he's the only one. the 16 alternate or fake electors are also targets of the d.a.'s investigation. they've also been notified that they're targets. we're talking about more than a dozen people who are similarly situated. it gives us insight into what we could expect from giuliani tomorrow when he testifies before the special grand jury at a rt could house here in atlanta. a number of legal experts that

i've spoken to say it is almost all but certain that he would very likely invoke the fifth amendment. his attorney has already indicated that he plans to invoke attorney-client privilege pertaining to any conversations between giuliani and trump. especially with this change in status, him being marked as a target of the d.a.'s investigation, that he will likely invoke his fifth amendment right. >> so we have the pleading guilty in new york. theres news out of the doj's investigation into january 6th. we talked about it a second ago. just touched on it. but eric herschmann was subpoenaed. our viewers know him because the january 6th panel interviewed herschmann a ton and they recorded it and it was featured heavily in the hearings that we saw last month and the month before that.

>> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. he screamed at me that i was a quitter and they were screaming at me. i said to him, are you out of your f-ing mind? i only want the hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. eventually, emorderly transition. i said good, john. now i'll give you the best free legal advice you're getting in your life. get a great f-ing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to ned it. >> 25 more questions. i'll try to fit them both in. what does it say to you that herschmann has been subpoenaed by doj? >> it means to me the january 6th investigation is really gone forward and has gone forward a pace. and there were people critical as i was, putting eric

herschmann in the grand jury which is a really wise step if you're doing a public ception case. on this is a sign that it is moving forward and fast. as you played eric herschmann knows a lot and is relevant to a lot of things. i think he would be relevant to the mar-a-lago search and some of the defenses about whether the president had some standing order to declassify. i think he would be somebody where he would either know about that or his not knowing about it would be quite interesting. so that's a bad development if you're donald trump. >> not to give everybody whip lash but i want to linger on the giuliani news for one more moment with you, andrew. rudy giuliani is a target in that investigation. where does that leave donald trump? he's the one who called raffensperger and said i need you to get me these votes.

rudy giuliani was working on behalf of trump. what does that mean for the former president? >> well, he very much could find himself being a target as well. but remember, he did make direct statements to the georgia legislature. those are outlined in the new york disciplinary complaint. there's a lot of information about what exactly rudy giuliani said and the falsehood that's came directly from his mouth. so i think the case may be far simpler. if you remember, the president's call, he was surrounded by lawyers and i believe his chief of staff. so it's not that that case can't be made but i think it is a more complicated one. the interesting thing will be what rudy giuliani does if if he is indicted.

he has suggested that he has the receipts and he should be treated with kid gloves by donald trump. so it will be interesting to see what he does in reaction to any eventual indictment. >> today is one of those days, with all the moving parts, i wish i had 12 minutes alone with you to go through them. everybody, thank you so much for starting us off. i appreciate it. and still ahead, lisa murkowski voted to convict then president trump. and to certify the 2020 election. despite that, she is expected to survive her alaska primary today. what makes the election in alaska and lisa murkowski herself so different from liz cheney in wyoming? plus, gone but not forgotten. the global consequences for the u.s. withdrawal of afghanistan and what it now means for how and when we decide to use our military. general david petraeus knows a

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he's back from vacation, we should say. but first lady dr. jill biden is staying behind in south carolina. she tested positive for covid. the white house says she's double vaccinated, twice boosted and has been prescribed paxlovid. and that she's only experiencing mild symptoms right now. at the moment. moving on, voters are casting their ballots where two dine cities are on the line. in wyoming, congresswoman liz cheney is facing what is likely the end of her congressional career. recent polling shows her trump-backed challenger and election denier harriet hageman has a big lead heading into today's vote. in alaska, senator lisa murkowski faces more than a dozen challenges herself. unlike liz cheney, she is expected to survive. joining me from anchorage, alaska. over though lisa murkowski was not the head of the january 6th panel organization their face, they're largely on the same page

about the election, about donald trump's conduct. why is she faring so much better in alaska than liz cheney is in wyoming? >> reporter: this is a state that in many ways values an independent streak. murkowski's real test in some ways come today. her only job is to make it to the top four in her pick one primary. then those four will go to the general election and that's where the ranks system comes into play where we will see what decision day may not for lisa murkowski, whether or not she'll go back to the senate. consider serving another term in the senate or if election voters will buck that trend and go in line with a trump-backed candidate. trump has come to this state. he has made his opinions known in the same way that cheney is his target on the house sighted, lisa murkowski is someone he called the worst of all

republicans. so not mincing words about her. this is a very large state but it has a very small town feel to it. all these people know each other. voters and candidates alike. it is why when i talk to voters about lisa murkio i'll let you take a listen. >> i appreciate her love of alaska. she really does have a love of alaska in her heart. she tries to do what's best for alaska. totally appreciate pfrlt do not appreciate the way she's been voting lately. >> reporter: so in that race, is kelly tshibaka the one for you? >> yes. kelly is the one for me. >> reporter: why? >> i feel like there is a breath of fresh air. something new. she has new ideas. >> reporter: so. in senate race, tshibaka is the republican backed one here. they are leake at policy. even donald trump, despite that

he loom large in the that you will party, he is not necessarily the person they're looking to to guide their decision making here. it is something murkowski is testing. but someone like sarah palin running for the open house seat here, she's testing whether or not name i.d. can help her ride to victory. she has a steep challenge, too. her opponents are saying she's someone with national name i.d. maybe she's lost the thread here. >> you have an open primary. you're not getting somebody polling you to one of the extremes in the primary set of voters. when you have rank choice, you're supposed to be getting somebody that more people in the state agree on that represent a larger swath of the electorate than just somebody from one party and going against one from another party. not necessarily the top two or three fighting it out. thank you very much. and they are watching you.

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this week marks one year since the capital fell to the taliban. they celebrated by declaring a holiday, waving flags, brandishing rifles and driving around in military vehicles that belonged to the last regime. sky news correspondent, the chief correspondent, stewart ramsey has more. >> a year ago they said they couldn't believe they took kabul so easily. they celebrated then and they still are. on a now public holiday, they took to the streets in pickup trucks and in captured cars. to this conquering army, the

greatest failure was never in doubt. they said they always knew. these convoys have been going on continuously. you can see they're all still fully armed. i think what the message from the taliban to the outside world is, we're here, we're still armed and we're here to stay. the taliban continued a new tradition. overwhelmingly attended by loyalists. special forces struggled to hold back people eager to get inside. it seems somewhat at a loss what to do with women. in audience, taliban loyalty including the powerful 28-year-old leader and negotiator with the united states in doha. his arrival sparked a flurry of activity by the press corps, eager of pictures of him. he sat behind me and we started

chatting. he told me economically afghanistan is struggling because foreign aid has been slashed and assets frozen. the key sticking point with the international community is education for girls. in his interview with sky news, he hinted at compromise but explained it would take time to convince the old guards saying the world must give him some room. this is nuances stuff, but for the ultra conservative group, this is a big deal. how the world deals with the taliban in the future is undecided, of course. the foot soldiers celebrating outside the now moth balled american embassy, a symbol of the campaign to change afghanistan. none of this really matters right now. in truth, many of these taliban

were babies when the war started. a trillion dollars and 21 years later, they're in total control. sky news, kabul. >> that was stewart ramsey of sky news. joining me now, former cia director general david petraeus. he was commander of nato and u.s. forces in afghanistan. he was also in charge of u.s. central command during the iraq war. thank you very much. you spent 20 years in afghanistan. we spent an unfathomable amount of money. 200,000 or so lives lost, most in afghanistan. cascading effects to the region. damage to our reputation abroad. when you look back at that whole episode, were there moments that you can see that things could have been done differently? or was it a mistake to go there in the first place?

>> i don't think it was a mistake to go there in the first place. i think we had to go there given that the 95th attacks were there and they refused to expel them from their soil. we had to topple the regime to ensure we could eliminate that sanctuary. and then frankly having toppled the government, we owned that country and we needed to ensure over time that there were sufficient authorities, institutions, forces and so forth, that we could gradually draw down and turn over responsibilities to them. that's what we tried to do over a period of 20 years. but the fact is that we lack the kind of strategic commitment really from very early on. as you'll recall, once we toppled the taliban and then pursued the operation in tora bora where we fails to capture osama bin laden, we shifted our

focus to iraq. until the surge in iraq was complete and we had driven violence down substantially, we did not return focus to afghanistan. so even within the first administration that ordered the operation, there was a lack of consistency. we didn't even get the inputs right in iraq -- or afghanistan, until some nine years later in 2010. that was in the obama administration. even then as you'll recall, we announced the drawdown date at the same time we announced the build-up. we had the inputs right. by that, i mean the rough level of forces that we needed, less the diplomats, development worker, spies and so forth. the right organization architecture, above all, the big ideas and concepts and strategy. the right preparation of our forces and all the rest of this. but we begin drawing down within about eight months of actually reaching that point. so in each of the three

administrations, prior to the current one, we weren't even consistent within the administrations, including in the 40 years of the trump administration where there was a build-up initially, as you'll recall, and then a huge desire to get out, resulting in a diplomatic agreement that has to rank with the worst in our diplomatic history. so again, a lack of strategic commitment and consistency within the administrations, as well as between them. and then we made a number mistakes. we forced overly sophisticated helicopters on them that were the linchpin of the entire strategy and when the contractors left to maintain them, that meant the all important reserve literally could not get out to the different fights the taliban quite impressively mounted, helped of course by 5,000 detainee that we forced theigan government was not even at the table for the negotiation about

the future of their country. we forced them to allow to go free and they went back to the taliban and helped them in that offensive. all part of that agreement we reached. so a number of lessons that we need to learn from this. the irony, at the end, i think the possibility of a commitment that was sustainable in terms of the expenditure of blood and treasure. 3,500 troops, 8,500 coalition, 15, 17,000 contractors. a reasonably affordable way forward. yes, the taliban would have come at us but we were in the headquarters by then. not on the front lines. that's why we didn't lose a soldier for 18 months prior to the general bombing at the international airport. and there was a way forward that obviously was not adopted. what we saw instead was a complete collapse of the forces, the the government, and taliban

takeover resulting in of course, the situation that is really quate catastrophic for the bulk of theigan people. certainly in a number of area. beyond that, the economic collapse, very repressive practices by the taliban. and of all things, the amir of al qaeda hosted in a taliban controlled house not far from the presidential palace. >> you know, we've gotten a lot of folks out of there. we did so during the drawdown. and then the evacuation. there are a lot of folks that we left behind including people who were instrumental to the fight. yeah. the fight that we were waging there. >> it is over 165,000 just conservatively speaking. that's the number. we need to get the process going by which we approve special visas and then bring them to the united states. >> how do you do that with the taliban when they likely see

them as enemies in. >> i would start by getting the thousands that made their way to islamabad. they can no longer stay safely in the country. keep in mind these battlefield interpreters who served alongside our men and women in uniform, sharing risk and hardship. and will they had to do it originally for two years to qualify for the visa and their families. they couldn't even stay in afghanistan. they're constantly having to move. the idea of amnesty and so forth that the taliban put forward proved to be about as accurate as the predictions that they would allow girl to go to lyle and to college. so we should accelerate that process. even those again in islamabad are unable to come here just because of the glacial pace of the process we have been pursuing. >> while i have you, if you don't mind. tell news we've been covering for a few days is all about donald trump and the search on mar-a-lago and the classified

information that was found there. do you have an opinion? >> i leave domestic politics to others, i'm afraid. >> thank you for joining us and what could have gone better. we appreciate your time, sir. >> thank you, katy. >> coming up, more breaking news on the search of president trump's florida home and who the fbi is talking to. and taking a cue from amazon and ups. more employers are turning to tech to track each and every second of their employees' workday. is your job next? try zzzquil ps gummies. they help you fall asleep naturally with an optimal dose of melatonin. and a complementary botanical blend. so you can wake up refreshed. for better sleep, like never before. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

because streets 2:00 p.m. hour, because it is a day that ends in y. three people familiar with the matter of mar-a-lago tell that the white house counsel and his deputy under donald trump were interviewed by the fbi about the boxes of classified documents

stored at mar-a-lago after he left office. back with me is andrew wiceman, former fbi general counsel, and nbc legal analyst. again, senior member of the mueller investigation. i got my wish to have you back. what does it say to you that pat cipollone and philbin were interviewed by the fbi? >> i think it is natural that they were. i think it is important for people to know that both those gentlemen were two of seven people who president trump designated on january 19th, 2021. two days before his presidency was over. as his representatives in terms of dealing with presidential records. so these two people would be the people the department of justice would naturally go to to find out everything they could about these records.

and it is reported that one of the things patrick philbin said, he tried the on get these records back. but that the president, president trump, resisted. so this could be quite explosive. the other thing that's interesting, the slate of seven people appear to have been replaced in june of 2022. so quite reebtly by cash patel and john solomon as the representatives. so there is definitely a story here. we just don't know all of it yet. >> and john solomon is, i don't know how to describe solomon. in some ways, ago journalist, acts as a journalist. he acts as a commentator. he's been i guess, break everything stories about the seven at mar-a-lago. clearly with somebody with close contact with donald trump and that orbit. you were talking about mr.

philbin trying to get the documents back and the president resisting. it is not theirs, it's mine, several advisers say mr. trump told them. nbc news has not confirmed this yet with our own reporting. but this is from "the new york times." also in this reporting, there is a note i read last week and i want to linger on. this is about the one-trump lawyer who signed a statement saying the material with classified markings had all been returned and there was nothing left in mar-a-lago. he signed a statement to the fbi. official then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room in mar-a-lago and saw something that alarmed them. they saw information from at least one witness who indicated more material might remain at the residence. people familiar with the investigation that. that's been lingering in my head. what they could have seen on that surveillance video.

>> yeah. one of the things reported is boxes going in and out. so that's the kind of thing they could have seen. i think this is part of the reason that you saw in the search warrant the reference to section 1519 of the criminal statute. that is an obstruction statute. and that is the kind of thing that the department could have been very focused on false statements and false representations being made to them that everything had been returned. only to find, you know, in the search, that that was not true. and that kind of crime, i can tell you when i was in the department. that is the kind of crime that really gets people in the department up in arms. it goes to undermining the integrity of the criminal investigation. and that's the kind of thing that has to be deterred if you're in this case, in any case, if you're going to actually have a rule of law.

>> you know a thing or two about investigating obstruction when it comes to donald trump. >> true. >> we'll leave it there. thank you very much for joining us. good to have you back. coming up next, is your employer watching you? that little leaf brought this old photo to life, i can finally put some names to those faces... it's like i'm back there at 39 elmhurst with all these folks. ancestry can guide you to family discoveries in the 1950 census.

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what we're talking about here is just a huge change in how work is measured. this is not about your boss's impression of you. this is about a kind of digital monitoring that creates a trail showing exactly how much you're doing. it's spread very far. we're used to the idea that warehouse workers have everything measured, but we found even hospice chaplains, ministers tending to the dying had to produce productivity points every day as they tried to face these massive end of life questions with vulnerable patients. >> it changed what way they would do and how they would visit and how they actually do their job and not for the better. >> they said they felt that it kind of undermined the work that they set out to do that they went into that work because it

was a calling, because they wanted to go to the edge with those patients. they wanted to have the what is the meaning of my life, what is the meaning of my death, how do i resolve things in my final few days of sbis tense on this earth. that was hard to do while also keeping these point totals in your head. >> it's not just an extreme example like that where somebody's end of life care is get gettingtize jeopardized or made not as nice. it's just regular workers who are sitting on their computer doing work. if it you stop working on a project and you take notes on a piece of paper and a lot of us do this, or you think for a second, you could get docked points it you're an hourly worker and that means docked pay. >> or even if you're a white collar worker. we found people with graduate degrees like social workers who were getting dinged for so-call ed idle time, and that's a

pretty judgment term. idle time really makes it sound like you're slacking off. but actually they say that because their computer said they were idle when they were typing, it actually was missing some of their most important work because during those moments, they said some of them were actually in very sensitive meetings with patients. but i have to tell you, one of the most -- i think we're all having that reaction of, wow, this is really intrusive, this is really disturbing, but one of the most fascinating parts of this reporting was really talking to people both bosses, software makers, even some employees, who believe in this stuff. and believe it is the right way for the workplace to function. >> it is certainly, i don't know, there are a lot of jobs where thinking is a part of the job and thinking you're not necessarily doing by moving your key pad and typing on a computer

siems you're just thinking. i also found it interesting that unionizing is one of the remedies potentially for this. go read the piece. it's really interesting and also scary. but good to know. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, katy. >> that's going to do it for me today. don't be idle. do whatever you want. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. on picks up our coverage next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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