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melber.com. thank for staying with us here on "the beat." "the reidout" filling in for our friend joy is up next. ♪♪ "the reidout" fill tonight on "the reidout" -- >> he liked cool and not just on classified information matters, on all kinds of things that crossed his desk. some days he liked to eat a lot of french fries. some days he took classified documents. he wanted them. why did he want them? because he could get them. from classified documents to french fries, donald takes what donald wants, as you heard that's according to john bolton and new according tonight on lead-up to the fbi search to mar-a-lago. who the fbi interviewed about it and how attorney general garland finally gave go the-ahead. plus, the fake elector investigations are heating up with rudy giuliani set to
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testify in georgia tomorrow. also tonight, vote remembers going to the polls in two states with liz cheney's political career on the line in wyoming and lisa murkowski facing a challenge for her senate seat in alaska and get this, sarah palin is trying to become relevant again. get that skit ready, "snl." i'm tiffany cross in for joy reid. we begin with a familiar place, maybe even a happy place, because donald trump is once again at the center of controversy. this time over classified top secret documents that led to the mar-a-lago raid. now the judge who approved a search warrant will hear arguments thursday over whether to unseal the search warrant affidavit. the doj has asked a judge to keep it sealed while trump wants it released. meanwhile, republicans and pro-jump extremists continue to slam the fbi and justice department over their search and now there's another talking point floating in the ether saying what trump actually did it was no big deal. >> i think mar-a-lago is a pretty safe place.
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we have secret service protection. sound like these document slight been in a safe. i'm not overly concerned about some top secret information being leaked out. >> for the sake of argument we're going to stipulate that trump did have possession of documents that were classified for some good reason, documents, for example, that we would not legitimately want the chinese government to see. if that is true, would it justify what happened? would it justify sending a large team of federal agents to shut down the entire tip of palm beach to raid mar-a-lagoon a weekday? no, it wouldn't. >> okay. first, keep in mine the first guy you heard from, ron johnson, things lift reap cures covid so you definitely shouldn't be listening to him and the second guy you hear from, tuckium, the problem is too many people listen to him. can you imagine what any of them would say if president barack obama can scrolled away classified material, mishandled them, ripped them up, taped them back together, it would be the scandal of the century but this is a scandal so big that the
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"new york times" reported today that pat cipollone and patrick philbin, the white house counsel and deputy under donald trump, interviewed by the fbi in connection with the documents. you see, the fbi had questions such as how exactly did 15 boxes of material, some of it marked as classified, make its way from the people's white house to trump's palace resort? sources each told the "new york times" that while philbin tried to help the national archives retrieve the material, trump sold advisers it's not theirs. it's mine. spoken like a toddler or a dictator. joining my know is peter strzok, the former fbi counterintelligence agent and maya riley with the council on human right. maya, i want to call about it, the pats, pat sip cloney and pat philbin are the most senior people who worked for trump and were interviewed by the fbi about the former president's material. they were trump's representative to deal with the national archives, and when trump said
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those documents are mine, how impactful do you think their interview was when it came to the search warrant, and, what's actly do you think the fbi might have learned from them? >> well, i would call that evidence of intent to violate the law and, remember, it's a crime. so, you know, when the fbi walked away with was evidence that trump intended to commit a crime. now, obviously what that tells us is what we already knew which is, you know, you don't go get a search warrant from an independent judge asking to search the home of a former president lightly. you do it because you have very strong evidence. and to say in a warrant that was issued to cover not only documents that had -- marked classified and to have uncovered documents that were top secret,
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the highest level of information to protect the national defense demonstrates that they actually had what we thought they had which was significant probable cause, and just one other thing here because we've got to go back to the fact that in that warrant there was actually a line that was critically important that also talked about evidence, information that might lead to understanding destruction, concealment or transmission, that means sharing. >> yeah. >> something that could make us more vulnerable as a country so someone should ask ron johnson, the pardon-seeker, whether or not that gives him pause. >> yeah. ron johnson serves on the house foreign -- on the senate foreign relations committee, also the homeland security committee so someone should ask him do you take classified documents off
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capitol hill which would be an interesting question? i'd be curious to hear your response. peter, pleased to have you on the show. first time sharing the screen together. thanks for being here. maya asked about the transmission and trump sharing. we know he shares because this guy almost tweeted out major secrets. i want to direct your attention to the iran missile tweet. this is according to our own reporting here at nbc news. an oval office ingrent 2019 perfectly illustrates trump's approach to state secrets, according to an ex-official. officially he -- there was an image of the iranian missile blowup, and it was intelligence, all according to a former official and when they showed it to the president they said i'm tweeting it. sir, we don't want to do it because poem will understand our capabilities. his response was i'm the president, i can declassify anything. that blows my mind, and i do
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wonder what exact was merrick garland mulling over because we've seen how he's been a threat to us for four years? >> the president has the authority to classify and declassify things while he's in office and what's critical he's no longer in office. he was not in office immediately following the inauguration on january 20th so what you have to do is go back and look and the biggest question in my mind is why did he have all the information? in the run-up you show former national security adviser john bolton saying he thought it might be neat. in my mind i would not be surprised, one, not just the material that the fbi recovered in the search warrant but those 15 boxes a that the national archives got much earlier in the year. i think there's going to be turn out to be, one, highly, highly classified information, but, two, things that aren't just things he found neat. i would be surprised if there weren't things that furthered his business interest, things he
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could use as learning over people, things he could use to settle the scores. the biggest question in my mind is why on earth having been told repeatedly by so many people that resteadfastly refused to turn these things over and instead carried them all away. you know, i hope doj is contempt now with the fbi that they have recovered everything, but we're talking about a massive amount of information. >> a massive amount indeed, and maya, i want to point out that ron johnson is in a very tight race in wisconsin against mandela barnes there. what's baffling to me about this entire thing is that 75 million people voted for this man. present day millions of people across this country remained blindfoldly loyal whose first job in government was president of the united states in a job he failed miserably i would say. we have reporting from "the wall street journal" that garland was mull this over. i wonder from your brilliant expertise as an attorney, how much of that should garland have looked through the legal lens,
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and should he have even considered the political fallout or political consequence? and i don't mean elections. i mean the violence that we're seeing play out since this all happened. >> you know, well, i think the truth is that merrick garland is doing what he said he was going to do which is following the evidence methodically and making sure he's making a decision first about the evidence, so i don't think there's any question that he's been doing that. i think the issue of the violence is one that we have to lay at the feet of donald trump himself. he has been stoking violence since he was campaigning in 2015. he, as we know, now had foot soldiers as part of january 6th who were extremists, white supremacists, you know, and what we've seen in truth social, the misnamed media platform that trump has founded, is that has become a primary source for
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organizing the doxxing of a judge and also the publishing of information, private information, about law enforcement agents and their spouses and children that has resulted already in a violent attack on an fbi office in ohio, and, you know, so when we total all of that up, there's only one person, one group of people to lay that at the feet of, and that's people who have said that their eliegeance to donald trump and their willingness to believe lies has taken precedent over their willingness to protect our democracy, our safety, our peace and our national defense. >> yeah. honestly, truth social is the digital version of stand back and stand by, and i remember on the campaign trail when, you know, all the reporting was out that he could shoot a man on fifth avenue and people would still support him and so many people in the-mile-an-hour stream media were surprise bid this and so many of us look back and say, yes, that looks
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absolutely accurate by this country's history. peter, i'm curious through your counterterrorism lens, i'm watching this play out as an american, but i do wonder what message is this sending on a global stage to our allies and enemies alike as they see how incompetent this man was and how careless he was with national secrets? i'm curious, you know, are people breathing a sigh of relief that he's not in office, or do people look at this as some sort of permanent character flaw in american political leadership? >> well, i think you're getting two big thoughts across the capitals of the various nations, the first for our allies. there's i think likely stunned that this level of information that he took out of the white house, that he was keeping in his personal residence, and, again, keep in mind the intelligence collection that the united states engages in, we get an extraordinary volume of intelligence from our allies and from other friendly nations. we rely on that to keep america safe. we rely on that to combat the bad guys, whatever they are
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doing, whether it's russia and ukraine, various terrorist entities around the world. we need a that exchange of information, but if all these nations are looking at trump and saying how could it be all this information was there? how possibly can they believe, particularly the trump still in the political scene, that they can -- that they can trust america in the days ahead? now the second conversation that's going on overseas, particularly in the halls of moscow and beijing are what is out there that we can recover? who knows what russia or china might have already done in terms of getting somebody into mar-a-lago, whether they are on the staff or somebody who is delivering food to the cafeteria, whether they are a guest? this represents an extraordinary opportunity for hostile nations to target, whether it's the actual documents or trying to get conversations. there's just a host of vulnerabilities and problems that this creates not just now but it casts a long shadow into the future as far as the united states and national defense
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posture is concerned. >> that's quite terrifying. i would add to that list jarred kushner and his relationship with the saudis. we really just don't know what potentially could have happened with this information which is frightening to think about. thanks, peter strzok, for putting that in context and nice to see you, my friend, maya wiley. coming up soon, why things are looking really bad for rudy giuliani, and we're not talking about that black dye trickling down his forehead. he's testifying in front of a grand jury in tomorrow. "the reidout" continues right after this. in tomorrow "the reidout" continues right after this
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of no payments for 18 months. >> all right. tomorrow donald trump's personal attorney general rudy giuliani is expected to testify in person before a grand jury in georgia. this is after a judge ordered him to appear last week. now rudy giuliani's attorney told nbc news we will be there. it's part of a criminal investigation looking into the attempts to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia by trump and his associates. now prosecutors informed giuliani yesterday that he's now the target in the investigation. so going from a material witness to a target means only one thing, according to msnbc national security analyst and former fbi official frank -- >> being named a lawyer being told your client is a target, hey, that's real bad. it means that the grand jury and prosecutors are thinking, yeah, we're about to charge you. it's imminent. >> that's not the only news out of georgia regarding the trump
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world's effort to overturn the election. this is scary. "the washington post" reports that a team of computer experts directed by trump ally lawyers like sydney powell copied sensitive data from election systems in georgia. in fact, "the post" reports that the group attempted to access the voting equipment in at least three battleground states. attorney sidney powell sent the team to georgia and attempted to do the same in the detroit area, all according to the records. a trump campaign attorney engaged a team to travel to nevada and the day after the january 6th attack on the capitol the team was in southern georgia copying data from a dominion voting system in a rural countip. joining me is arizona's current secretary of state katie hobbs. thanks for being here. this is very frightening to here. what does it mean for the trump-aligned lawyers to have access to this type of information? >> well, i think -- i'm glad to
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see these hearings play out because every single person who conspired to undermine our democracy needs to be held accountable. we saw the same kind of things playing out in arizona where we had months and months and months of the sham audit and folks trying to get access to the voting equipment and to our ballots and conducting just an entirely fake review, so i'm glad to see people being held accountable, but a we're facing must bigger challenges and kari lake, my opponent for governor, is a conspiracy theorist number one who has centered her entire campaign around it. these are people who want to continue our falsehoods over the election and want to get their hands on the opportunity to change the rules and possibly overturn result if they don't like the outcome in 2024. >> yeah. kari lake has been quite the character this week. instead of worrying about bde
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she out to worry about governs elections correctly rather than telling the big lies n.detroit in 2016 over 75,000 votes went missing in detroit, so i know right now we're saying this is all the big lie, but this kind of nefarious interference with the election process has long been a gop tactic. right there in arizona the -- the market finchman who is running -- who is on capitol grounds january 6th. he won the gop nomination for sec serbs 12 out of 13 candidates in arizona believe the big lie and 54 out of 87, and he's now the sixth election denier across the country to win the republican nomination. this is quite a scary thing happening in arizona. how do you plan on navigating this should you go on to be the governor of that state? >> well, it's imperative that i win this race to help stop this. i've done everything i can as
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secretary of state to continue to fight for the will of arizona voters, to protect their freedom to vote and to protect the integrity of our elections, but if these folks get their hands on the levers, there's no telling what they are going to do so we have to stop them. democracy is on the ballot. they are -- they are coming back in 2022, better prepared than they were in 2020, and -- and they have got their eyes on 2024. >> i'm just curious from you. that is question that i've been asking a lot of guests on my show and certainly here on "the reidout," we've seen the political tantrum turn violent in this country. we've seen people lose their lives, people willing to die for this, and so when you have the gop, which is essentially merged with right wing extremists and you have random acts of violence in the street as evidenced by the gentleman who tried to attack the fbi office in cincinnati on friday. we saw a similar incident that happened again on monday and then you have people
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infiltrating the system, and so if they are bleeding democracy by a thousand cuts i'm curious to hear from you, do you think democracy survives this? >> it is up to us to make sure that it do, but you laid out such a clear case of what we're up against in this election. these people are dangerous. they are using their positions of power to mislead people into committing these really terrible acts and people's lives are at stake. it is really dangerous, and -- and, you know, my campaign is going really well, but you see what we're up against and i need folks to join me @katiehobbs.org so we can stop this in 2020. >> again, if you're governor you'll have to navigate people who are diametrically opposed essentially to democracy. i'm just curious about your personal safety as well because, you know, we don't have the same level of security in some of our state legislatures and individually elected officials across this country, and in d.c., the united states capitol,
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there are over 30 lawmakers agencies on ground. how concerned are you about the political violence that we've seen play out? >> it is certainly one of the most daunting things that will i'll be involved in politics today. as governor i will afforded a personal security detail but now i'm having to navigate these threats that continue to escalate as we get closer to the election and i've had to grant levels of private security that we've had to engage to keep me and my family safe. >> how frightening. well, we will certainly be watching the race and please do continue to stay safe, arizona secretary of state katie hobbs. thank you very much. still ahead, every new revelation about trump's apparent mishandling of classified documents is making his supporters angrier at the fbi, of course, and his social media platform is fanning the flames. we're going to talk more about that on the other side of this break. don't go anywhere. ♪♪e other side of th
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actually of their families. truth social use verse doxxed a judge who signed off on the warrant with ominous called to action with calls to make him famous and go get 'em florida, as well as an fbi agent involved in the warrant. after a former white house aide posted the name of that agent as well as the names of his wife and child, their social media accounts and the school the child attends. truth social did remove the post, but the verbatim text that have post spread across the platform with zero apparent attempts at moderation by the company. in fact, truth social's terms of service has no specific prohibition against doxxing though shortly after publication of "the rolling stone" piece they removed the addresses and contact information for judge reinhardt and the fbi agent and a reminder who is running truth social. the ceo is none other than devin nunes, the long time trump ally and former chair, get this, of the house intelligence committee. you can't make this stuff up.
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joining me now is the co-author that have very "rolling stone" piece i referenced, and my friend, my pal, kurt barreda, an advisers to the dnc and dccc. i'm going to start with you, kurt. this is not fringe folks. the gop has merged with extremists and i make this point as off as possible but it's not not just their base voters, their funders, monica crowley a former official in trump's treasury department saying this is the hill to die on. the young republican club condemned the continuing persecution of trump by totalitarian democrats. his statement not only called for total disintegration of the fbi but also suggested that acting beyond merely voting out the former president's enemies was required. i'm just curious, kurt, from you, where do we go from here because violence only increases with this political temper tantrum that we've already seen
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turn bloody moore than once? >> yeah. i think you're right, tiffany. i mean, everyone needs to understand that there is no division between the so-called establishment of the republican party and the fringe of the republican party. they are one in the staple and the tactics that we're seeing them employ are blessed and endorsed by the mainstream republican party. they are knowingly putting target on the backs of law enforcement. they are knowingly putting their families in harm's way, and if anything tragic should happen to any member of our law enforcement community, these people have blood on their hand. these people should be held liable. these platforms are spreading their personal contact information, should be held responsible. let's be very clear here. devon nuance was chairman of the house intelligence community and knows all about sensitive information and knows all about secret information and knows and understands the value of identity and contact information, so for him to
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preside over a platform that is knowingly putting the sensitive and personal information up for other people to make these agents targets is unconscionable and it frankly should be criminal, and if anything goes wrong, nobody can sit there and go oh, my god, we never saw this coming. how can this happen? we know exactly how it happened and it was deliberate. >> absolutely. i think that's such a great point to make, kurt. it was terrific. great reporting from you. we've already seen how social media place such a crucial control. in 2016 we saw the russians infiltrate our democracy targeting plaque voters and now trump has engaged in these, you know, essentially twitter wannabes platforms, icurious how you think that could be weaponized when it comes to misinformation. "the washington post" did great reporting. tiktok will be a major place of misinformation. we know tiktok is owned by a
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foreign -- a person from china, so i just curious to hear your thoughts. what do you think? >> well, you mentioned the term twitter wannabe earlier in terms of what trump's attempt as building a maga social media. it's truth social, and at its very best form currently it's a twitter wannabe. unfortunately, for trump, nothing more so no in terms of how much of a player it's going to be in terms of radicalization, that depends on how much popularity it's going to gain and right now that's a little bit questionable and what we do know in terms of the level of maga-related popularity that it does have is that in recent days ever since the fbi raid on trump's home and private florida club in mar-a-lago, truth social had become a haven in the way that other social media platforms and more shall we say mainstream social media
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platforms had not become for this type of doxxed information on not just the personnel, the magistrate who signed off on this and also their families. as you pointed out in the intro, the school that one of the kids went to was bandied about there and was al howard to be left up for days, and it was to the taken down until we reached out to truth social which, again, is under trump's control since he's the head honchor. he's one of the founders. it's his company. they didn't take it down until after we reached out for contempt and until after we published story last night and, look, like to make sure we weren't being completely unfair because there are a lot of things that happen on a lot of different social media platforms that aren't necessarily the fault of the people, shall we say, of the people who owned them. we did a quick search on twitter. we did a search on twitter, just a one-on-one comparison between truth social and twitter.com and
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we couldn't find any of the same doxxed information we were describing earlier about the fbi personnel and their families so take that for what you will. >> yeah. i think that's a really good point to make. kurt, know, this is one of those times where i have to point out this party, the republican party, which is now, you know, essentially the maga party, they purport themselves to be pro-life, know. that's their term, not mine, anti-choice, but i just wonder how they reconcile that, that they are the party that's allegedly pro law enforcement, pro-life hand here they are putting the information of a child out there, a child and the school this child attends on the heels of yet another mass shooting that took the lives -- that claimed the lives of so many children. i just wonder how they navigate their own thought process and are so disillusioned with themselves. >> well, you know, my friend congressman eric swalwell says you can't be pro cop and pro
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coup at the same time, and that's exactly what they are. they walk around and masquerade with this term pro-life, but, again, we just saw in florida, somehow a child is not mature to have an abortion but is mature enough to be forced to carry baby to term. they say they are pro-life and all of them, every single one of them voted against the biggest climate change package we've ever had in our country's history to make sure we can preserve life going forward. they voted against that. they say they are pro-life, but they put law enforcement and their lives, their families' lives in jeopardy. time and again we see them say one thing and do another. they are not concerned with life. they are just concerned with trying to score cheap political points. they are concerned -- they are a domestic terrorist and their goal is to end democracy. one of their leaders, steve
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bannon, has said very clearly multiple times is his goal is to tear everything down, burn it all down and that's what they want to do. when someone reveals themselves to you it's best to take them at face value and time and time again they have showed us who they are. >> thanks so much for that. great reporting and i know you do a great bernie sanders so we'll have to you back real soon so i can hear that impression. >> i'll try. >> okay. >> well, next time, when we have more time we'll have to get both of those impressions an let the viewers decide. thanks so much for being here. straight ahead, two factions of the republican party facing off in tonight's prime police a special election. we'll get latest from the reporters on the ground and finally i get to share the screen with msnbc's own steve kornacki. i'm so excited. that's coming up next. kornacki i'm so excited that's coming up next.
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>> today no matter what the outcome is it is certainly the beginning of a battle that is going to continue and go on. as a country we're facing very challenging and difficult times. we're facing a moment where our democracy really is under attack and under threat, and those of us across the board, republicans, democrats and independents, who believe deeply in freedom and care deeply about the constitution and the country i think have an obligation to put that above party. >> all right. in a few hours we will know what
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the future holds for liz cheney as well as sarah palin and lisa murkowski. cheney who is looking for a third term has become trump's prime target because she is one of ten house republicans who voted to impeach him over his role in the capital insurrection and she's, of course, vice chair of the january 6th committee. it is bipartisan. cheney faces hairiest hagemann. hagemann jetsonned cheney for the big lie and in alaska voters approved an initiative that established a non-partisan pick one system in a rank choice general election system. the top four candidates advance to the general election almost guaranteeing that senior senator lisa murkowski will face trump-backed republican and a democrat. murkowski voted to convict trump in his second impeachment trial and joining me now is vaughn
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hillyard and alli vitale. this is an interesting raise for lisa murkowski. she became the first candidate to win an election with a write-in campaign over a tea party candidate in joe miller. curious to see how this race plays out in alaska now. what have you got for us? >> you and me both, tiffany. senator murkowski is no stranger to tough circumstances around a re-election campaign, and what's interesting here in alaska is that senator murkowski and sarah palin are trying to answer the same question which is how powerful is donald trump here? the thing is they are hoping for different answers to that question. when you talk to sarah palin supporters, they are voting for her because of the role that donald trump has played in many cases. when it comes to senator murkowski though, i asked her if
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she thinks she fits in this republican party and maybe just half an hour ago or so i'll show you what she told me. listen. >> we can ask the rhetorical question about what really is the republican party nowadays? i've never believed that a party, a political party, should be the party of one individual. i just don't believe that. >> it feels like it is right now. >> and if it is that, if the republican party chooses to go in that direction, i think they leave behind a lot of americans, and i think that that's unfortunate. >> reporter: and so what you hear from her there is her saying effectively what you hear from congresswoman chain's well that this is not their republican party. chapie it looks like show's to be ousted from it anyway and for senator murkowski it looks leak decision day will fall in her favor. she has to make the top four and
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she will advance to the november primary where they will really have to ask the question is she still able to represent alaska as its senior representative and sarah palin her win is news but assured but she would be continuing on with the term of the late congressman don young and then she would be on the ballot again in november, tiffany. >> it will be a telling people. if the people define the party and the party doesn't define the people the people have made their choice which brings me to you, vaughn. liz cheney, all eyes are on this race and we've heard a lot of sound from democrats saying that they are voting for her, something we thought we'd never hear certainly during the bush administration. what's the late where you are? >> tiffany, ultimately, you're right this. comes down to voters. this is the voters' selection, and today liz cheney's neighbors here in wyoming, a population of just about 300,000, they are about to roundly oust her from office here and instead choose
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harriet hagemann, the trumpbacked election denier who has propagated conspiracy theories that donald trump has brought to the forefront of american politics here and the alaska race is really important for lisa murkowski because she was a big target on the purge list. susan collins, myth romney, bill cassidy, they are not up for re-election, and that's where these house races were so significant because ultimately it was voters at the congressional district level who would pick trump dark backed candidates or those who voted to oust him. you saw many meier and butler losing in washington state and you saw four others instead of taking on trump dark backed challengers they announced retirement and that's where you've got liz cheney here, and ultimately what we'll be looking for today is what that margin is between her and cheney pause if
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you're looking beyond 2022, donald trump, in the middle of, i mean, frankly legal chaos here, layers of investigations, ultimately the voters, they are still siding with the candidates who he is going around the country campaigning for. this is the republican party that folks like liz cheney, while they may be talking about their own 2024 run or even asa hushpson and larry hogan, another wing of the republican party, but right now the republican voters are selecting the trump-backed candidates over them. >> before i let you go a really quick volume fun. i've seep some voters talk about liz cheney as though they already know the outcome of this election but they are looking for her to do more potentially in 2024. have you heard anything like that on ground there? >> yes. allies that i've talked to she's looking to ultimately whether she's in office or not, mount an effort and, quote, do whatever it takes to keep donald trump from getting back not white house. that could include, i'm told, a 2024 presidential run, but it
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could also be setting is up a super pac or an outside organization to try to mobilize republicans that were part of the old gop, if you may, any way liz cheney sees best fit in i'm joined now by msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki. he is there of course at the big board. it's my first time sharing the screen with you and i'm thrilled to do it. i'm very thrilled to see what you have for us. break it down for us. where do you want to start? we can start in alaska if you like. >> i've got wyoming teed up civil start there. a little bit more than an hour from now, we should start to get the results from this wyoming race. one thing i caution you right now, 9 pm eastern time, that's when the polls will close in wyoming. if 2020 at how the vote counting went was any indication, it could be very
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slow. and that first hour when the polls closed back in 2020 there weren't that many results. while the expectation is certainly that liz cheney is deep trouble and harriet hageman is poised to where the state the, polls suggest that the run up to this primary both polls put hagan ahead by 20 points. in my cats take some time to get some results von was alluding to this as well here in the broader context what is happening in wyoming. these ten republicans who voted to impeach donald trump following the events of january 6th. we've gone through most of these primaries. vaughn mentioned there some of the decided not to go forward vaughn hillyard is see rice herrera butler in washington lost there's only two they've
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gotten through. california, central valley and dale newhouse dan newhouse. vela dale, that's the one republican primary where donald trump didn't get involved. he didn't endorse anybody, he didn't get involved. so maybe that had a big factor on how validated got through, and new has those two, everybody runs on the top same ballot. for a split opposition there. new how scott 25% of the vote, that was enough to squeak into the general election. very different dynamic here for wyoming. obviously this is a one on one race. that's why cheney is such an underdog coming into this. the other races tonight to keep an eye on. it'll be the wee hours of the morning east coast time, will start to get some numbers out of alaska. the key here, this is the special election for alaska's lone congressional seat. it's sarah palin's comeback attempt. there are three candidates on the ballot.
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people say here's my first choice, second shot, third choice. the most likely thing that this will go is the one democrat, mary paul cola who coming first initial round of voting and the republican vote will be split between palin and baggage. then the question is who's second and who's third? third place will be eliminated on the spot and it will all be over. second place would be a runoff against nikola, and eliminate -- a really could be the suspense here, the race for second in alaska tonight. >> it's interesting steve because the races are often run the alaskan native vote peltola is important and if kyle is victorious should be the first alaskan native to come to congress. based on the math there we'll see what happens.
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thank you steve, it alight sharing the screen with you. coming up next, what president biden is saying the inflation reduction act into law today he signed it, it's a big bill. we're back in a sec. we're back in a sec.
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signed into law the historic 430 billion dollars inflation reduction act. >> inflation reduction act are so many things it's for so many years so many of us have fought to make happen. let's be clear. in this historic moment, democrats sided with the american people and every single republican in the congress sided with the special interests in this vote. today too often we confuse noise with substance. too often, we confuse setbacks
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with defeat. too often, we hand the biggest microphone to the critics and the cynics, who delight in declaring failure all those committed to making real progress to the hard work of governing. with unwavering connection, commitment impatience, progress does come. >> just to quote the former president obama who tweeted, this is a pdf t. i understand this bill will not and impact inflation overnight or stabilize soaring prices that many of you are battling, or the cash in your pocket, it does mean lower food cost for those on medicare, cleaner air in the meantime, lower health care premiums for millions, and cheaper power bills. most significantly, this is the most robust investment in american history, and the president announced the millions of americans will be able to buy hearing aids over the counter after the fda finalize the approval just this morning. this marks a turnaround for the
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president who's been able to notch a string of legislative victories in the last few months alone, democratic and the congress have boosted benefits and in the manufacturing of semiconductor chips. explained benefits for veterans exposed to toxic effects from burn pits. he will be hitting the road in an effort to solve bills before the midterms, and the house in the center very much up for. ground that does it for me that's tonight's read out. be sure pleased to watch the premier of alex wagner tonight at 9 pm eastern. alex, good luck and welcome to the team. but first of all in with chris say starts now. tonight on all in. >> with this law, the american people one and the special interests lost. >> joe biden spikes the ball and signs the bill. >> this law that i'm about to sign finally lives up to the promise that washington i

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