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so i ask you tonight to join me as we leave here. let us resolve that we will stand together, republicans, democrats and independents, against those who would destroy
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our republic. they are angry and they are determined, but they have not seen anything like the power of americans united in defense of our constitution and committed to the cause of freedom. there is no greater power on this earth. and with god's help, we will prevail. >> it is the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." welcome back. it's 9:00 a.m. in the east, 7:00 a.m. in jackson, wyoming, where republican voters yesterday ousted congresswoman liz cheney. former president trump had made cheney his number one target on his revenge tour against republicans who stood against him after the capitol attack. cheney's battles with trump cost her her spot in house republican leadership, and now her house seat entirely. her loss also means eight of ten house republicans who voted to impeach trump will not be in congress next term. >> and this morning liz cheney
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spoke with savannah guthrie on the "today" show about her election loss and the state of the republican party. >> look, as we talked about before, i won my primary by 73% two years ago. the path to that same victory would have been very easy. it was clear how that pathwould go, but that would have required that i embrace and perpetuate the big lie. i've been very clear at every moment since january 6th that there are some things that have got to be above politics, that there's no political office that's more important than the principles that we take an oath to defend. i believe that donald trump continues to pose a very grave threat and risk to our republic, and i think that defeating him is going to require a broad and united front of republicans, democrats and independents.
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that's what i intend to be part of. it became very clear after donald trump attacked the capitol, sent a mob to attack the capitol, refused to accept the results of the election, refused to tell his supporters to leave the capitol when the assault was under way, that this was a threat that we've never faced before. he crossed a line that couldn't be crossed. as a nation, you don't get the opportunity to debate and discuss any other issue if you simply turn your head away from that kind of a fundamental threat on our republic. the republic party today is in very bad shape. i think that we have a tremendous amount of work to do. i think it could take several election cycles, but the country has got to have a republican party based on substance, based on principles, based on a belief in limit government and low taxes and a strong national defense, a belief that the
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family has got to be the center of our community and of our lives. those are the principles i believe in. that's what the party used to stand for. we've got to get the party back to that. the party that has instead embraced donald trump, embraced his cult of personality, is looking the other way as he continues to do things like put out the names of fbi agents just in the last few days when he knows that law enforcement is the target of violence, put out the lies he has put out in the last few days in what happened with the search warrant execution at mar-a-lago. every republican, every american should reject those. >> asked whether she's thinking about running for president, liz cheney said, it's something i'm thinking about and i'll make that decision in the coming months. two years ago she wins 73% of the vote in a republican primary. last night she went 29% of that
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vote and loses by 37 points. she has changed, she says, as a conservative. what has changed is she decided to cross him and a candidate stepped into that void, sided with donald trump on everything even though her opponent in 2016 was trying to get donald trump out of the race. she was an anti-trumper, but saw the political opportunity to step into this race and won big last night over liz cheney. >> liz cheney's lifetime conservative union record 96%. mine was 95%. when i criticized george w. bush even 15 years ago over spending, over at times a wilsonian foreign policy, i was attacked
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and bashed. i talked about it for some time. in the republican party you don't get credit for being loyal 95% of the time. liz cheney has found that, but the stakes have wizenned so much. she said we will stand together, republicans, democrats and independents against those who destroy our republic. they are angry and determined but they haven't seen anything like the power of americans united in defense of our constitution and committed to the cause of freedom. there's no greater power on this earth and with god's help, we will prevail. in that interview with savannah she said republicans are turning the other way while donald trump is committing these actions that are anti-democratic, un-american as many who actually worked for
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him in the white house are saying. a slight correction on that. they're not looking the other way. what's so disturbing is the fact that people that i talk to, people that i had conversations with yesterday, a lifelong conservative who worked for reagan, a thought leader in washington, d.c. and also a family member. they're calling the fbi the gestapo, because they're trying to protect top secret documents from being taken out. again, an action that would cause the arrest of any member of congress immediately, that action is immediately forgiven if donald trump does it because it is a personality cult. the thing that disturbed me the most yesterday was at one point this so-called conservative told
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me, again, a person that most people watching this show know, told me, well, the united states government is not sacrosanct. the united states government can be replaced as he spoke of revolution and revolt and civil war. there's too many people in the republican party doing far more than turning a blind eye to donald trump's un-american activities. they're actually getting involved in them. >> in that particular conversation, i know that you were really very kind of shaken. >> you can say shaken when there's a conservative guy i've known for decades who talked about being a reagan conservative and a thatcher conservative, talking about open revolution and revolt, calling the fbi the gestapo and saying
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the united states government is replacement, yes, you can say i was shaken. >> i can only say that when you get to the point where someone like that, who is very smart, very educated, written many books, is saying things like that, they're so broken. their brains have been twisted in the cult of trump to the point where they now say things that go against their very own core values. it is a sickness, it really is, even for some of the smartest political minds out there. it is a sickness. >> this is one of the things that ann applebaum wrote about in her book "twilight of democracy" where she was talking about what happened in hungary and east germany and other places.
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it's educated people and some of the smartest minds who actually make the attacks against democracy possible. >> they lose themselves in it. >> and justify it. again, we're talking about a portion of the republican party, probably 70% of the republican party, which is about 30% of the electorate. i only say that because it's always important that we keep this in proper perspective, that the overwhelming majority of americans don't think this way, don't believe federal law enforcement officers are the gestapo. this person i talked to yesterday believed that the u.s. government is disposable. they don't believe that and that's one of the reasons we're seeing numbers break against
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republican senatorial candidates. >> let's bring in steve kornacki at the big board. steve, you're starting in wyoming where it wasn't really even close. >> i guess the most striking thing when you look at these results and the turnout level, this was officially a republican primary in a deeply republican state, but i think when you look at these numbers, this was a general election. this was almost a stand-in for trump versus biden. in 2020 this was the trump/biden result. the numbers are very similar. if you look at this political geography of the state, the two counties, teton county where
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jackson hole is and wyoming county are the only two counties that voted for liz cheney last night. liz cheney was running under 20% in a lot of the small rural counties just like joe biden did. we talked in the runup saying there were cheney supporters who said maybe we'll reregister as democrats to take part in the primary. that happened. turnout in the democratic primary was unbelievably tiny yesterday. you had unaffiliated voters in here, but it's a deeply republican state and the republican electorate reacted and rallied behind the trump backed candidate. it's now complete that ten republicans who voted to impeach donald trump following january 6th, four chose to retire, four lost in primaries. there are two that are going to be on the ballot in november.
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dan newhouse in washington state the only other one to advance to the general. he was able to poll this up by getting 25% of the vote and squeaking into the general election. valedao could lose to the democrat there. it could mean there's only one republican left from when the previous congress voted to impeach trump. >> in 2016 liz cheney supported are donald trump for president. harriet hagueman was not only an anti-trumper, she called him xenophobic and racist. she's flipped now and she is the trump candidate.
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let's look at the state of alaska. lisa murkowski survived the primary. also looking at sarah palin back into politics. >> that's the interesting one here. there's two things happening here on the house side. don young passed away, the at large congressional seat in alaska, this is the special election to fill the remainder of his term. this is a ranked choice situation here. we've got still votes coming in. there were three candidates who actually were on the ballot yesterday, one democrat and two republicans. it is looking here like the democrat will finish in first. you still see votes coming in. they're still primarily counting up votes cast in person yesterday, votes cast in person early. there's going to be some mail-in
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voting here. you expect the trump candidates to do the worst with the mail-in voting. if you're sarah palin knowing there are still same day votes to be tabulated in this, that there's not a huge universe of mail-in votes, if you're sarah palin you're probably feeling pretty good about your chance to edge out nick begich. if it finishes like this, then what they'll do is take a look at the begich voters. who did they make their second choice on their ballot and then they'll reallocate to palin or
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taltola. ex -- it raises the possibility is there a chunk of begich voters who just don't like sarah palin who might even have marked off taltola and not palin as their second choice. if it does finish taltola and palin, i don't think it's out of the question that taltola could emerge and win the spot. you'd rather been palin than begich here but i don't necessarily think that ranked choice is a slam dunk for palin.
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this is a special election. all of these candidates also running in a primary and everything i'm describing about the ranked choice they're also going to do again in november for a full two-year term, if that's not confusing enough. >> it's exhausting. i understand the purpose of it. there are a lot of positives. a little complicated. >> let's turn to the fallout from the fbi's search at former president trump's mar-a-lago estate. tomorrow a federal judge in florida will decide whether or not to unseal the affidavit officials used to sign off on the search as the justice department argues against it, saying, it could compromise ongoing criminal probe involving national security. meanwhile a new nbc news report details how an oval office incident from 2019 perfectly illustrates trump's approach to
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state secrets. it's all about this highly classified photo taken by a secret spy satellite that trump tweeted when he was president. it shows an iranian missile test site. experts say trump gave enemies information about u.s. spy capabilities just by putting it on twitter. joining us is correspondent ken delanian. that is a good example. what else do you glean from their reasons to keep this all private? >> reporter: the justice department laid out very clearly that this is a complex, sprawling, ongoing criminal investigation involving secret grand jury matters, involving a number of witnesses.
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they say that the affidavit would layout investigative techniques. as journalists obviously we want to see this affidavit. but for the justice department to say there are all these things that we believe would compromise this investigation, it's also a way of telling us this isn't just about trying to get the documents back, that there is an ongoing criminal investigation that the justice department says is still active. they worry if this information was public, it would compromise cooperation by witnesses and other things. i think what the justice department is saying is deeply significant in terms of how we understand this investigation. >> ken, let me ask about your new reporting in the piece and this image donald trump tweeted
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out. intel quickly realized he wasn't going to read briefing documents and had to bring charts and pictures. what did the former president do? >> reporter: they had taken to bringing in images and catchy graphics and charts. i was told as soon as he saw this image he said, i'm tweeting it. the intelligence officials in the room were trying to talk him out of it, saying, sir, we spent billions of dollars on this satellite system. if you put this out, you're going to show the adversaries our capabilities. he just didn't care. he said i'm president, i can declassify anything, right? they said yes, but let us give you a picture with less resolution. i spoke to john bolton who was in poland at the time. he was the national security advisor. i talked to him.
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take a listen. >> he tweeted it out and that, of course, declassified it by definition, but also showed what could happen when such a picture even on a twitter attachment was then able to be analyzed by foreign intelligence services. i didn't learn the results of it, but i am confident that the intelligence community appalled by this action tried to assess what the damage would be. it was a reenforcement with people not to leave anything sensitive within the president's grasp. >> reporter: bolton also told me that trump had a habit of grabbing secret intelligence documents. he said at one point, god knows what he did with them. i think this goes some way to explaining possibly how some of these highly classified documents ended up at mar-a-lago. >> this is fascinating stuff and illustrative of how trump handled those materials.
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we have some breaking news just now. vice president mike pence at the politics and eggs breakfast in manchester, new hampshire, which note worthy enough he's going to new hampshire, which is a stop for potential presidential candidates. he just said he would consider testifying before the january 6th house committee. his response was, if there was an invitation to participate, i would consider it. we know members of his staff have talked to the committee. pence previously had said he would not do so. now as he's potentially eyeing the white house himself, he's signaling an openness to do so, which would be a significant step for the committee. what would he be able to tell him? >> reporter: first of all, he was at the capitol that day. he would be able to paint in vivid detail what he believes was an attack on our democracy and, secondly, talk about all
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the steps he took to bring in security and the national guard. he was the one making all the calls, not president trump. i think this is a huge development. if you read his other remarks, he's trying to straddle the line. he's criticizing the search and saying the attorney general should justify what happened, but he's also denouncing attacks on the fbi. on january 6th he's not going full liz cheney, but he's saying this was a horrible day for our democracy, and while i'm still republican and he still seems to be supporting former president trump in some fashion, he's also saying he's willing to come and testify about the bad things he saw that day, which could be incredibly incriminating to trump. >> we'll have to see whether he follows through or not. he has been trying to have it
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both ways. one last thing. rudy giuliani, another member of the trump circle in some legal. peril, he is in fulton county, georgia, set to testify into the investigation there and their efforts to overturn the election results in that state. he is widely expected to take the fifth amendment about 187 times. give us a sense what you expect to hear from him today? >> reporter: he's been told he's a target. this is like the grand jury giving him one last chance to explain himself. in these situations, the lawyers will always say take the fifth, don't say a word, because he doesn't have a lot of good answers about the fake elector scheme. it seems like the investigation
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in georgia is going at a much faster pace and it seems like the stakes are very high. coming up, president biden celebrates a major legislative win ahead of the midterms, something that seemed really unlikely just a couple of months ago. we'll go live to the white house for the latest on that. and with millions of americans taking to the skies every week, the airline industry is struggling to keep up with demand, but the airline themselves are just one part of the problem. we'll explain. t one part of the problem. we'll explain. i would say that to me an important aspect is too... meta portal with smart sound. helps reduce your background noise. bring that sense of calm, really... so you come through, loud and clear. meta portal. the smart video calling device
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this administration began amid a dark time in america. as jim said, a once in a century pandemic, devastating joblessness, clear and present threats to democracy and the rule of law, doubts about america's future itself. and yet we've not wavered, we've not flinched and we've not given in. instead, we're delivering results for the american people. we didn't tear down, we built up. we didn't look back, we looked forward. >> that is president biden yesterday as he signed his party's climate tax and health bill into law. the legislation aims to curb inflation, lower prescription drug prices, tackle climate change and impose a minimum tax on large corporations. let's bring in eugene daniels. great to see you on. we had ron klain on a few minutes ago talking about the importance of this package,
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criticized by some progressives as not going far enough, by republicans for not being appropriate for a time of inflation. >> they're ignoring both of those groups of people. it's been something they have been fighting for for months, that seemed like it died a thousand deaths before president biden was able to sign it yesterday. and they feel like they got both the policy and the politics right. so you look at some of the things in this bill, most of it is probably not going to have an immediate impact on the american people. when it comes to climate, for example, you have $80 billion that will help people have upgrades to green energy in their own homes and it gives democrats a simple story to tell as they go out before the midterms, which is we used the government to make your life
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better. that is much easier to digest than some wonky legislative policy prescription. the president and the cabinet are going to get on the road a lot. even today three cabinet members are on the road. this is going to continue to happen and they're trying to get this out so people understand it. >> president biden made that point yesterday. this brought to you by the democratic party without a republican vote. liz cheney spoke to savannah guthrie this morning and said i'm thinking about a presidential run, but i don't know yet. >> other than focusing on the january 6th committee, we were told yesterday by her spokesperson that she is going to start a new organization to, quote, educate the american people about the ongoing threat
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to our republic and to mobilize a united effort to oppose any donald trump campaign for president. when it comes to what donald trump created here by making sure that she got out of office, he probably made it worse politically for himself because now she's going to have a lot of time to focus on her stated goal, which is to make sure he doesn't get into office. on monday her campaign filed with the sec to change the name of the campaign and the type of organization it is to a leadership pac so now she can give money to other candidates. the name of the organization is the great task, which is obviously something she's talked about a lot. >> the great task in the last sentence of the gettysburg address, and she invoked that
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last night. next, we're taking a look at wall street moments after the opening bell. a lot of red on the board this morning following a solid winning streak for the dow. plus, a conversation on polarization in america. we'll talk to a professor who led an experimental challenge aimed at saving american democracy. d at saving american democracy. ice cream is like whooping cough, it's not just for kids. whooping cough is highly contagious for people of any age. and it can cause violent uncontrollable coughing fits. ask your doctor or pharmacist about whooping cough vaccination because it's not just for kids.
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the airline industry is working to keep up with the millions of americans who are flying each week, but the airlines themselves are just one part of the problem, with the post pandemic strain of air travel. nbc's stephanie gosk explains. >> reporter: in the country's busiest air space, thousands of flights come and go every day, meaning, even the slightest snag in the system -- >> we're going to try to get you
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a reroute there. >> reporter: -- can bring major ripple effects. >> if you lose an airplane in new york, you lose it in atlanta, dallas, iowa city. >> reporter: on monday the faa warned of hourslong delays, citing staffing issues including a shortage of air traffic controllers. cause for concern is still in the air. >> by the end of 2022, there are more than a thousand less certified controllers. >> reporter: the faa recently announced it received more than 57,000 applications for its open air traffic controller positions and were on target to meet their yearly hiring goal. but delta's ceo says it's just
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one facet. >> tsa and security have had challenged. our vendors on our concourses have had challenges. >> reporter: with passenger totals consistently approaching pre-pandemic levels, the busy summer season has been turning. the heat on the entire airline industry, exposing problems with staffing, scheduling and the handling of bad weather. travelers are frustrated and running out of patience. >> look at the line. >> reporter: some industry leaders say unless big changes are made, upcoming holiday travel could be anything but merry. >> we're going to see the same result, cancellations and delays at the worst time possible. >> joe, that's the ripple effect when you have just so many different facets of flying impacted by shortages. >> and shortage of employees.
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it's one of the things we were wondering about when we were talking to pete buttigieg, the secretary of transportation. we're all familiar with shortages when it comes to pilots and flight attendants because we see that in the airport, we hear that when we get on the plane. i've been concerned. we've been talking about air traffic controllers. if there's a shortage of pilots and flight attendants and tsa agents, we know there's a shortage of air traffic controllers as well. that obviously makes the sky less safe. what's the answer to this? what's the answer to teachers? we have a severe shortage of teachers. we're going to have to pay them more. we bailed out the airline industry. the airline industry decided at that point they were going to save even more money by pushing people into retirement. they're going to have to pay. they're going to have to get
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them back. we need more pilots. the government is going to have to pay for more tsa agents. we're going to have to pay well trained and competent air traffic controllers to get back into the towers or else we're going to have a broken system for quite some time. let's turn to andrew ross sorkin. it doesn't seem like airline travel is improving. are we wrong? >> you're absolutely right. by the way, talk about inflation. by having to hire all those new tsa agents at higher wages, it's just going to increase costs. it may make the situation better, but when people think about where we are in this inflationary world, those are the kinds of things that still have not been sorted out.
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there are going to be increased costs that we're going to continue to see in all sorts of industries over the next several months, the airline industry being just one of them. >> let's talk about inflation not just here, but around the world. u.k.? >> oh, goodness. we just had double digit inflation. they literally had to add a figure. we're over 10% now in the u.k. just this morning. i think there's a big question as to what does that say to the rest of the world about inflation. the good news here in the u.s. is we've seen inflation come down. if the u.k. is any indication, it may slower than we want.
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i think there's a disconnect between what the economists are saying, which is, inflation is going to come down because we're going to have more supply. but it could be persistent at some level. it's going to be very hard to push it down to 3% or 2%, which of course is what the fed wants. the stock market over the past month and a half has actually moved higher because there's an expectation that actually things are better than perhaps some people thought. there's this strange disconnect between what the professional academic economists think is happening and what the stock market thinks is happening. we're going to find out soon who is right. >> adding to the confusion is retail earnings. we've seen a few from major companies. what are they telling us? >> two different things. you saw home depot and lowe's,
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which really speaks to the housing market to some degree actually stronger than people expected. that's the good news on this end. then you have target missing its estimates, also in large part because there's been this pendulum swing in terms of how a lot of these companies have been buying up product. they've had too much inventory in certain areas, especially on home for target. there's a mix issue also. it's not just the strength of the consumer, which is still strong, but a lot of these businesses have a little bit missed the mark in terms of what people want to buy. we're moving back from this idea of items to services. that is something people are grappling with. >> thank you very much. the major move that the federal government is taking in response to the historic low water levels
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people. facing a tier 2 shortage for the first time in history, authorities say in january, arizona will lose 21% of its yearly water allocation from the river, as nevada loses 8%. >> it's a complex problem, politically, economically, socially. >> reporter: climate change has only intensified a 23-year mega drought and the critically low water levels, snaking from the rocky mountains to the southwest. the river waters sustain some of the largest cities in the country. but 80% is used to grow produce that feeds the nation. >> we must be conscience of the fact that we deal with finite resources and need to manage accordingly. >> reporter: hydropower production could see be threatened. water cuts made by the government come after the seven states involved couldn't reach an agreement on their own. future cuts impacting even more states, seem inevitable.
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hoping to avoid a catastrophic river collapse, arizona and nevada face a tightening tap. a crisis threatening to trickle down to more of the country. >> nbc's miguel almaguer with that report. now let's take a quick look at the morning headlines across the country. in colorado, the gazette leads with the fbi's nationwide campaign to find sex trafficking victims, known as operation cross country. just this month, agents and local law enforcement in colorado have found nearly a dozen child victims of sex trafficking, and almost 30 missing or endangered children. nationwide, the operation has rescued more than 200 trafficking victims over the past two weeks. in minnesota, the star tribune writes that prosecutors are struggling to catch up with the tidal wave of pandemic related fraud. investigators say that there was so much fraud in federal covid
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relief programs that even after two years of prosecuting cases, they're still just getting started. the federal government has already charged 1500 people with defrauding pandemic aid, and more than 450 people have been convicted. finally in massachusetts, where "the boston globe" reports on the rising cost of back-to-school shopping. a new report found that parents are expected to spend at least 8% more on school supplies this year compared to 2021. that comes out to about $864 per family. when we come back, perhaps the most significant abortion case ruled upon since roe v. wade, involves a parentless teenager and a forced state abortion. we'll be right back. state abortion we'll be right back. especially when you have metastatic breast cancer. when your time is threatened, it's hard to invest in your future. until now.
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upheld a ruling that a 16-year-old teen cannot receive an abortion because she is not "sufficiently mature enough to end her pregnancy." the teenager, who is described as parentless in court documents, was seeking a waiver from a state law that requires minors to get parental concept for abortions. she's about ten weeks pregnant, and currently resides with a relative. the teenager argued she's not ready to be a parent, and is still in school. but the appellate panel was not convinced the teen had demonstrated the maturity to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy, and she now must give birth. >> so the state decides that she's not mature enough to decide whether to have an abortion or not, but she's mature enough to have a forced birth pushed on her by the
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state? here we are. i don't think any expected us to get here, not even a lot of the people who were pro life, where you now have state governments forcing forced births on teenage girls who haven't even finished high school. but that's where we are right now. >> in florida. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage after a quick final break. break.
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good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. this morning, what liz cheney is saying about her political future hours after losing her primary bid to a trump-backed challenger. happening this hour, rudy giuliani is answering questions before a special grand jury as part of a probe into donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. we'll bring you a live report from just outside the courthouse. and one year ago, the world witnessed the devastating images of afghans trying to flee the country after the u.s. withdrawal. today, we'll be hearing from one of the refugees lucky enough to make it out. and a sweeping legislative victory for democrats. joe biden has now