good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. this morning, what liz cheney is saying about her political future hours after losing her primary bid to a trump-backed challenger. happening this hour, rudy giuliani is answering questions before a special grand jury as part of a probe into donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. we'll bring you a live report from just outside the courthouse. and one year ago, the world witnessed the devastating images of afghans trying to flee the country after the u.s. withdrawal. today, we'll be hearing from one of the refugees lucky enough to make it out. and a sweeping legislative victory for democrats. joe biden has now signed the

"inflation reduction act" into law. we'll talk about the impact it will have on families with congressman gregory meeks. ♪ ♪ we begin this very busy hour with the results of last night's critical primary races. liz cheney, once the third most powerful republican in congress, lost her primary bid last night to her trump-backed challenger by a whopping 37%. here's some of what she said about her political future in an interview with "today." >> are you thinking about running for president? >> that's a decision i'll make in the coming month. i'm not going to make any announcements this morning, but it's something i'm thinking about and will make a decision in the coming months. >> a different story for another trump critic in alaska. senator murkowski finished first

in her primary bid, allowing her to advance to the general race. but she won't be the only republican on the ballot. the candidate endorsed by donald trump will advance to the november midterms. here to start us off is vaughn hillyard, ali vitali, susan delpersio, and alex is the former president of the latino victory projec. he's also former senior adviser to the biden campaign and now an msnbc political analyst. so vaughn, what are you hearing from voters about why they decided to leave liz cheney behind? >> reporter: you said it, jose. we're looking at a 37 percentage margin between harriet hageman, supported by president trump. you have seen her beating

roundly liz cheney here, who, over the course of the last year, you've been consistently hearing that liz cheney betrayed the state of wyoming and betrayed her republican party because of her effort to undermine donald trump's political power. not only voting to impeach him, but then helping the january 6th select committee. what you heard last night, liz cheney, here in jackson, wyoming, frankly it was not a normal concession speech. it was not a norm aleck shun night watch party for somebody who was so handily defeated. yes, she was poignant. but it wasn't so much about her defeat here in wyoming, but about the state of her country and political party, and she contended she will do "whatever it takes to make sure that donald trump is not in office again." but she really caps off a season of primaries in which of those ten gop house members who voted to impeach donald trump last year, eight of the ten will not be returning to the u.s. congress next year. >> so vaughn, what does this

mean for her work on the january 6th committee? >> reporter: she's going to continue to serve as the vice chair through the rest of the year. her term is not up until the end of the year. she said there's still much work, investigative work for the committee to do. it's important to note that she this morning, in an interview with savannah guthrie, said she's considering her own potential run for president in 2024 and would make her decision known in the coming months. at the same time overnight, she filed with the fec to transfer the approximately $7 million out of her campaign coffers into a new leadership pact, which she will be able to use for political purposes as she deems fit. this is a current congresswoman who has every intention after leaving the u.s. congress to still be a political force. whether she's able to do that effectively out of political office, that is what we'll have to wait and see. but i think for liz cheney, she

sees herself as somebody who intends to take this fight over the years to come. this was just the first battle for her and one that she, of course, as you look at those results, handily lost. >> and ali, meanwhile, republican lisa murkowski is advancing to the november ballot, despite her criticism of trump and voting to convict him in the second impeachment of his presidency. >> reporter: yeah, jose, not entirely surprising, especially because this was a judgment day for senator lisa murkowski, but not the judgment day, because of the way alaska is doing elections now in 2022. what they needed to do in this primary election was whittle down a field to just the top four candidates. voters were able to do that, and they'll get more election results over the course of the next few weeks. it takes time here in alaska. but for senator murkowski, the true test will come in november when that rank choice voting system comes into play on the senate side, and voters again

will have a choice to rank their options one through four, and the field will get whittled down from there come november. that's the real test for her. again, i spoke with her yesterday mere hours before the polls closed here. she was adamant that she does not ascribe herself not to the party of donald trump, but not even saying she's a republican first. she is someone who prides herself on making common sense decisions, certainly in washington. she is one of those rare voices that will cross party lines and work with democrats and vote with democrats. that's something that voters will keep front in mind come november. >> where do things stand with sarah palin's congressional campaign? >> reporter: yeah, look, the congressional campaign had two prongs to it last night. when it comes to who is going to finish out the term in congress, who is coming to see us in washington most quickly, we don't know the answer to that yet. again, in part, it's because

elections take a little bit of time here to tally in alaska. a lot of people vote by mail and the rank choice voting system, you need all the ballots that when people are eliminated, you know where you're divvying up that candidate's votes to. so we're waiting to see which of those three candidates will finish out the late congressman don young's term. it could be palin or another republican or democrat running for that seat. what voters did is they set their primary field for november, because this seat had a special election attached it to, as well as the actual regular election. so we expect to see palin, as well as the other candidates on the ballot come november. and in that case, they're running for the full two-year congressional term. >> so susan, going back to wyoming, here's what congresswoman cheney said about last night's loss. >> one poll showed 61% of likely republican voters said you weren't focused on wyoming issues. was that the issue? did you have the wrong focus? >> no, look, i think i'm very

proud of everything that i accomplished, that we accomplished together with the voters of wyoming over the last nearly six years. but it became very clear after donald trump attacked the capitol, sent a mob to attack the capitol, refused to accept the results of the election, refused to tell his supporters to leave the capitol when the assault was underway, that this was a threat that we've never faced before. >> so susan, what should congressional republicans take away from cheney's loss last night? >> well, unfortunately, the first thing they'll take away is it's still donald trump's republican party, and they do risk something should they put it on the line and go against him. that being said, liz cheney didn't cut and run. she stayed in there, she knew what kind of fight she had. she's committed to staying in this fight, as it was mentioned, she's going to continue her work on the january 6th select

committee. and she's going to move forward. if there's been rumors or talk that there's going to be a new -- you know, to discuss where we are in democracy and what's being done to keep it in tact and fight the likes of donald trump. but liz cheney, she really is a profile in courage. she's someone who stood up on principle, and i don't look at this as her final chapter. i think this is maybe her second or third. we're going to see a lot more from her down the road. >> i'm just wondering what do you think democrats should take away from these primaries tonight? >> hey, jose, great to be back with you. a couple things. my first impression here coming out of wyoming, you have a conservative leader, she took a principled stand to impeach the defeated ex-president. she paid the price for it. but she had put her country over her party, and that's very rare among republicans today. what it shows in terms of where

the republican party is, they're turning into this extreme maga party. these are election deniers that are winning. the woman who beat cheney has said she believes that joe biden is a human trafficker. crazy stuff. if these folks are successful in winning in november, we'll have to come one a new name, maybe the insane in the membrane caucus. but in all seriousness, i think there's a split screen moment you have here. on the one hand, republicans having this interparty fight over the future of the party with donald trump lurking in the background. you've got senate republicans fist bumping, i can't get that video out of my head, of ted cruz fist bumping his buddies after they tried to take down the pact act which would have benefited veterans. if you go down pennsylvania avenue, the white house really stepping up. you saw just yesterday president

signing into law the "inflation reduction act." the most meaningful climate change legislation in the world. some real wins happening. the last time i saw you, i had to think back, it was precovid. you came out a very cold iowa, much too cold for me, to get on the bus tour with then candidate, now president joe biden. it was a cold bus tour. obviously very successful. you saw how we did in iowa. but the conversations that were happening then aren't too different from now. people said that joe biden was out, he was going to huz. just two weeks ago, we had team in the democratic party saying he shouldn't run for re-election. that has flipped because we see his leadership and working closely with democrats on the hill, you see meaningful legislation getting passed, including the "inflation reduction act," the chips act.

but one win after another. that's the important juxtaposition now. once we get out of this summer and get past labor day, that's when the election will go into the heightened pace. and you have republicans fighting amongst themselves, trump lurking and you have democrats getting a lot of important stuff done. so it gives you the momentum and contrast you need going into november. >> ali, mike pence is talking about the january 6th committee. what is he saying? >> reporter: yeah, some pretty eyebrow raising news here, especially for those of us tracking what comes next on the hill, as we cover the january 6th hearings. we have congresswoman liz cheney's role there. but the open question has been, if they're going to ask people like mike pence or donald trump to come and testify, i talked with bennie thompson about this, and he told me that it was still a discussion that was on the table. pence, though, saying this this morning. watch.

>> if they were to call you, the committee, to come and testify, would you be agreeable? >> if there was an invitation to participate, i would consider it. any invitation directed to me, i would have to reflect the unique role i was serving in as vice president. >> reporter: notably, pence making those comments from new hampshire, which for any of us our ears are perked up at his location and message. imagine the split screen this could set up, which pence were invited to testify before the january 6th committee. you have someone like liz cheney, who is now opening a bid for president. pence, of course, exploring his. it could set up a real split screen home on the issue of january 6th. something that cheney has not minced words about her feelings on, and something that pence has tried to weigh in tepidly on, trying to put distance between himself and trump, but not so much distance that he alienates

the maga base. >> thank you all. before i let you go, speaking of split screens, who wins this morning the best backdrop, vaughn or ali? can we just -- look at those two. >> today is our day, jose. ali could have had the last few case. >> we set the sun up for us. >> i think that this is pretty much a no contest right here between the two of you. thank you both. thank you all for being with us this morning. happening right now in georgia, former trump lawyer rudy giuliani is testifying before a special grand jury in just one of the investigations swirling around former president trump. we're live at the courthouse. new reporting about who the fbi has been talking to about the documents trump stored in mar-a-lago. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." ♪ ♪

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18 past the hour. rudy giuliani is now at a fulton county courthouse in georgia, testifying before a special grand jury about efforts by former president trump and others to overturn his 2020 election defeat there. nbc's blayne alexander joins us now from outside the courthouse in atlanta. good morning. what's the latest there? >> reporter: well, jose, good morning to you. that testimony is going on right now. we know it's happening here in the courthouse behind us. we saw rudy giuliani enter the

courthouse just before 8:30 this morning. what's interesting, even just that arrival was an interesting thing to note. typically, to this point as we know that witnesses have come in and been subpoenaed and spoken before the grand jury, they go underground, away from media cameras. that was not the case today. rudy giuliani, his attorney, walked up the front steps to the main entrance of the courthouse here in downtown atlanta, flanked by reporters and photographers and the whole bit. didn't speak about what he was planning to say. perhaps more importantly what he wasn't planning to say. that is one of the questions surrounding all of this. these are closed proceedings. all of this is happening behind closed doors. it's notable, because this is, to this point, the closest associate of former president trump to appear before the special grand jury here in atlanta. and we know this is coming against the backdrop that he's now been named a target in this investigation. hit status has changed, so it is possible that he could face

indictment in all of this. it's important to bring in the context of what the district attorney has said. the d.a. here in fulton county spoke with me last month and made it clear that she's not going to hold back on bringing an indictment against anybody if she feels that the evidence warrants it. jose? >> blayne alexander, thank you so much. now to the latest on other investigations surrounding former president donald trump. three people familiar with the matter tell "the new york times" the fbi interviewed former white house counsel pat cipollone and his deputy, patrick philbin, in connection with the classified boxes found in mar-a-lago. they are the most senior people who worked for trump known to have been interviewed in the case. and this morning, former vice president mike pence, in new hampshire, joined the calls to release the information. >> i call on attorney general garland to give the american people a full accounting of the

reasons why this action was necessary. and while he's begun to do so, he's not nearly enough information has been provided, and these attacks on the fbi must stop. calls to defund the fbi are just as wrong as calls to defund the police. >> with us now to talk about this is ken delainian. what more have we learned about what the attorney general made to approve that warrant? >> i confirmed a report that garland took a couple of weeks to decide this question, and he met with very senior officials at the justice department and at the fbi, and some critics have suggested that this was, you know, wishy washy and typical garland being overly cautious. folks at the doj are pushing back against that, say thing was a momentous decision, and we

have seen from the impact that this decision has had just how momentous it was. so it was perfectly reasonable for garland to take his time and to meet with folks and to weigh the pros and cons. it also suggests, jose, this wasn't about an urgency of getting the classified documents back. there are other issues at play here. as soon as the fbi learned there were highly classified documents in mar-a-lago, some of the most sensitive information the government has, that they took steps to make sure that those documents didn't go anywhere. so, again, people are saying why did they wait if it was so urgent? because they wanted to decide whether to take this enormous step. and ultimately, garland decided to do it. >> and glenn, what is the fact that fbi agents interviewed cipollone and philbin tell us about where things stand with the documents investigation? >> you know, it tells us that the doj is casting a wide net,

trying to determine how it is that these documents were removed inappropriately at best unlawfully at worst from the white house and brought down to mar-a-lago. i agree with ken, this is not the fbi just acting as an errand boy for the national archives by going down there and collecting up documents. this is really a criminal investigation. as the justice department has said, in its opposition to unseal the affidavit, they said if this affidavit is unsealed, and the after date, jose, contains all of the information about not only what it was that gave them probable cause to execute a search warrant at the president's home, but also it will disclose the ongoing nature of the investigation, and doj said listen, if there were to be unsealed, it was pose irreparable damage to multiple

ongoing investigations. i think this investigation into the classified materials at mar-a-lago is just getting warmed up. >> and i'm just wondering, glenn, and maybe ken can also help on this question. but this tssci level documents that were apparently in mar-a-lago, isn't there some kind of paper trail or, or, you know, these are the most secret, classified documents in our country. and yet the president was able to just take them and go to mar-a-lago with them. i'm just wondering, glenn, isn't there some kind of way of -- that these documents have to be kept, you know, away from, you know, people's private homes? >> yeah, there really shouldn't be a trail of any kind, jose, because even viewing these documents require that we go

into a secure room, and that we never take anything out of that skiff. i had a tssci clearance when i was an army jag prosecutor handling an espionage case. and i was careful about every word i said, every piece of paper i touched. so the fact that all of these documents migrated down to mar-a-lago. i mean, there seems to be so many different criminal statutes at play, that, as i say, i think the investigation is just getting warmed up. i'll add that the three federal statutes that were cited in the search warrant itself, none of them even required that these materials be classified. so i think the whole debate and discussion we've been having about whether a president can sort of think something is declassified, so it is, is a little bit of a red herring. so yes, there should be -- there

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u.s. forces in northern afghanistan with internet services, he joins us this morning. nuke for being with us. first, how are you and your family doing right now? >> thank you. good morning. life is going good here. in the beginning, we had some sort of strange feeling, but a couple of months after resettlement, i made good american friends. so everything is fine now. >> it's been some very difficult times for you, certainly for everyone in afghanistan. what was it like for you and your family to get out of afghanistan? how was that process? >> well, it was very painful when you lose your country, and your normal life and everything overnight. i receive an email from the

other side of the planet on the night of august 14 in northern afghanistan was falling into the hands of taliban. it was written, brother, do you want to talk? i said yes. he was mad. i was very hopeful. he said help me. my life is in danger. i said i can't promise but whatever i can do for you, i will help you. i said i would try my best to go to kabul. will you help me? he said yes, if you're in kabul, i will help you. but don't put your life at risk because of my work. i had made up my mind and i said that i prefer to die like a man today, not to disappear or to be killed in front of my kids tomorrow.

i will start my journey and go to kabul. because i knew that they had access to things and anything could happen at any moment, i had to accept this risk, which i did. finally, i -- on the evening of august 18, we left home. took only a backpack and headed to a station. only five minutes had to pass when we were stopped at the checkpoint. the young boy, fully armed, asked every passenger where are you going and what's your job? he was slowly approaching me. my heart was beating so fast. i thought it was all over now. there was only one seat left to reach me. oh, my god. it was a miracle that someone shouted from outside and asked him to come out as soon as

possible. maybe someone else was trapped or something, but he got off and we started again. >> wow. >> during my trip -- yeah. during my trip, i passed ten check points until i arrived in kabul. >> how many -- >> i didn't sleep all night -- yeah? >> i'm sorry to interrupt. the story is just so incredible and intense by one seat you were essentially saved from being killed. i'm just wondering, what -- did you and any of this journey, get assistance from anybody, the government of the united states, that you have so -- for so many years, helped during your career in afghanistan? were you helped by anyone in the u.s. government at anything, at any time? >> no, no.

i applied for visa in august of 2020. i was waiting for my approval, when the evacuation started. i was so scared. i emailed multiple times, but i didn't receive any reply from them. i was searching online to find someone to help me. finally, i was sent an email and he was the only one who helped me get me into the airport. i didn't receive any kind of reply from anyone in the united states except matt. >> hamid, i'm grateful for your time and grateful that you and your family are out, starting a new life here in the united states. i wish you and your family all the best. i thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. up next, what's behind the growing movement among black parents and home schooling?

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and animals. they have a collective of black families deciding to home school, many driven away from public schools. do you want to go to regular school? >> no! >> not one person? >> for a whole entire day? no. >> reporter: before covid, only 3% of black students were home schooled. in 2021, it was 16%. many aren't going back. when did you decide this is what you wanted for your kids? >> i looked at the presentation of slavery in the civil war, it's not accurate or honoring the african american experience. >> reporter: fairchild founded this group for families like hers and have served over 450 families since 2020. village parents were fed up with schools that had few teachers that looked like their kids. many offended as districts struggled to teach about race. and at least 36 states passed or proposed laws to restrict those conversations in school.

when you look at the state of schools right now, are black kids being served? >> our current system is not designed in a way to serve black children. >> reporter: in detroit, bernita bradley said her homeschooling group has 98 families with 20 more expected to join this fall, including shareece. >> black families are starting to realize, you know, i don't think this is the best situation. >> we don't have time, when you see generation after generation fail. we don't have time to keep waiting. roim victoria bradley said she was bullied and at 15, she asked her mom to take her out. when you transitioned to homeschooling, how did you feel about yourself? >> i felt more confident. it was like a -- kind of like sunshine. the clouds opened a little bit. >> reporter: home schoolers hope that their groups inspire schools to get creative and ensure they're welcoming all kinds of learners. do you think that schools are going to listen? the system, does it see what's

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gregory meeks of new york, the chair of the house foreign affairs committee. always a pleasure to see you. just wondering what you think this law will do for all of us. >> well, clearly, as you just indicated, jose, number one, it helps save our planet. this is the largest amount of dollars that are going to help save our planet, it keeps us in the leadership position of making sure we work with our colleagues and allies to save our planet. number two, something we've been trying to do, we continue to talk about how senior citizens have to make a choice between food and prescription drugs. this helps lower the prescription drug prices so they won't have to make that choice and they can get the medicine they need. number three, it keeps the individuals who have had their health care by the affordable care act, this continues the subsiies that's needed to continue their health care. and also, you know, you talk about the energy crisis that we're in.

this cost helps keep prices going down, they'll keep going down. it helps lower energy costs for individuals to do the innovative things in their homes to get the rebates they need to make sure they're saving dollars. and it reduces the deficit and is paid for. so those things we have been talking about getting done to benefit the average, everyday american citizen, that's what this does. >> china's ambassador for the u.s. held a press conference yesterday where he accused the u.s. of escalating tensions over taiwan. you were part of the house speaker's visit to taiwan earlier this month. what can you tell us how things are there? is china just changing? i mean, there have been dell -- delegations to taiwan forever. clearly this has changed. >> clearly xi is being more

aggressive in that regards. i've traveled to taiwan plenty of times. we're not going to allow xi to tell us where we can go and when we can go and things of that nature. it's clearly that china wants to change the situation. we believe in in continuing in status quo. we've advocated for the status quo with taiwan. the only one that wants to change is xi. but it was a very, very good trip that we took. the taiwanese people was very thankful to us for going. they loved to see americans coming, to know that we're going to stand by their side and we're going to make sure that as we do with all of our friends and our allies and our partners. and it was great for the region, because not only did we visit taiwan, of course, we went to malaysia and south korea and japan and singapore and they all love the fact that they're engaged in the region and working together. and we're going to protect and work to make sure that the south china sea and the taiwan strait, which is really important to

keep food moving as well as deals with chips in the supply chain. and we're working together in that regard. so, you know, the chinese and xi, they can escalate if they talk the language that they're talking, but that's not going to deter us. we know the right thing to stand by the democratic countries in southeast asia and the united states will be very engaged and continue to be very engaged in southeast asia and a number of different ways. >> congressman, it's been a year since the u.s. withdrew from afghanistan, after which the taliban took control. what lessons do you think we have learned over the last year? >> well, look, i think that -- and i know one of my colleagues, the ranking member, the republicans try come out with the political report. but there's no way to look at this without looking at the disastrous doha agreement that took place with the trump administration. and then see how -- and the

whole 20 years. you can't look at one thing in an isolated manner. you have to look at the entire 20-year period, so that we can then come up to the conclusions of what we can do and what we can do better. and i think that's what the deal is here. clearly, there are things that over those 20-year period of time, that we could do better. i do remind the american people, though, to think about why did we, in fact, go into afghanistan in the first place? and those reasons was to make sure that we go rid of al qaeda, so that we would be safe and to prevent my further attacks of individuals who would be training or recruiting in afghanistan, to come to injure us in the united states of america. that part of the mission was successful. and that's also, you know, once we've left, it's shown to be successful. and we still have over-the-horizon capabilities by the president using a strike to get al zawahiri just recently. you know, so it's tragic what's

happening to the afghan people and the taliban has taken over, but i think that we've got to figure out how we can continue to get change and working together, but staying in afghanistan was not the way in the matter that we have for a war that will be never-ending. and i don't think that would have been able to resolve the situation and the american soldiers would further be at stake, because i know some say, by us pulling out, we are better off. i dispute that, by saying that -- some say that we should have stayed. if we had stayed, we'd be better off. i dispute that. because we would still have american soldiers at state. and based upon the disastrous agreement of doha, there would have been further attacks by the taliban on american soldiers. so i still believe it was the right thing to get out. we're looking at, and the state department is coming up with their report soon. and so we'll see exactly what's there. and our committee, of course, is

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57 past the hour. this morning, over 12,000 monkeypox case cas have been confirmed nationwide, according to the cdc. and in florida, the first case of monkeypox has now been detected in a child under the age of 4. joining us now, dr. vin gupta, a pulmonologist, also an msnbc medical contributor. doctor, always great to see you. what do parents need to know about monkeypox? >> first of all, what they need to know, this is not a virus

that poses a threat to their children. yes, there will be sporadic cases that will be detected the more that we test, but this is a virus and now multiple data points show that it's primarily spread through very close skin-to-skin contact. generally speaking, men who have sex with men, in sexual contact. close contact between skin lesions that have monkeypox and mucous membranes, particularly anal and oral sex. that is a key point. hopefully that helps lower some of the concerns from parents that this is not something that is going to pose a significant risk to schoolchildren. >> so how does a 4-year-old get it? >> just like any contagious virus, it's going to be, the more that we test, any contagious virus, even if it's primarily transmitted through sexual means, as we're learning more, there might be other mechanisms of transmission, particularly through contaminated surfaces, even, we know that sometimes clothing,

fabrics, can potentially have it. there are other ways that contagious infectious diseases can transmit, like monkeypox. so there will be the off case, which is why infectious disease protocols like hand washing are really critical. >> meanwhile, in new york city, polio has been detected in local wastewater? >> it has. and this is the importance of getting your children vaccinated. to the point about wiring parent here is, i know a lot of parents are worried about polio, follow the vaccine schedule for your children. if you have an infant less than four months, your child is likely protected from mom's antibodies against polio. otherwise, children over 4 months of age, jose, there's a four-dose schedule for polio vaccine, critical to follow that. for adults that are wondering, have i been vaccinated? should i get a booster shot? frankly, if you're living in a place, jose, that has reports of polio in wastewater or cases in the community, have a conversation with your physician about getting an additional shot. especially if you don't remember

getting vaccinated as child. the cdc already okayed a once a lifetime booster. >> thank you so much for being with us. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on twitter and instagram @jdbalart. follow the show @jdbalartmsnbc. thank you for the privilege of your time. lindsey reiser picks it up with more coverage right now. good wednesday morning. i'm lindsey reiser. right now the republican party and donald trump's allies feeling the full impact of being in the former president's orbit. as we speak, in a georgia courthouse, his personal attorney, rudy giuliani, is testifying before a grand jury. giuliani's attorney tells nbc news that is a target to alter the outcome of the 2020 election in that state. we're also learning from "the new york times" that according to three people familiar,