lindsey reiser picks up with more news right now. good thursday morning. i'm lindsey reiser at msnbc headquarters in new york. two major trump world legal sagas reaches a crescendo right now. not far from where i am, court just adjourned ten minutes ago in the case of former trump organization ceo allen weisselberg. this is him leading just moments ago. he just pleaded guilty to criminal charges in a tax case brought by the manhattan d.a. he's expected to serve a five-month sentence. and as part of his plea, he would be expected to testify against the trump organization, if called, when the company goes on trial in the fall. so what's in store for trump's namesake company? and is this a win for the former president? also today, the former president is looking for a legal win a thousand miles away from new york in florida. two hours from now, the judge who approved the fbi's search

warrant of mar-a-lago will hear arguments over whether to release the affidavit behind it. it's arguably the most important part of that warrant. the doj is fighting its release, citing highly sensitive information tied to a national security investigation. the former president wants it unsealed. we'll explore the implications of today's decision by the judge. we're going to go ahead and start with today's hearing over the mar-a-lago search warrant affidavit. msnbc's cal perry is outside the courthouse, ken dilanian also with us, and also with us, phil rucker, and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. both are msnbc contributors. thanks for joining me. ken, first to you. i want to talk about former trump organization ceo allen weisselberg, just officially pleading guilty to the charges against him. what happened in court and what happens for him next? >> reporter: well, he's going to serve five months at rikers island jail in new york city, lindsey, according to the

reporting notes we're getting from our colleague, tom winter, who was in the courtroom. so he's pleading guilty, essentially to 15 counts involving dodging taxes on lavish fringe benefits that were paid to him, including the lease of a car, private school tuition for his grandchildren, a luxury apartment, stuff that the government said was actually compensation, should have been taxed, was not taxed. so he has agreed to serve this sentence and to testify against the trump organization when that company -- not former president trump, but the company goes on trial. but he has not agreed to testify in any capacity against the former president himself, who's not charged in this case. and for that reason, a lot of people are looking at this as sort of a victory for donald trump. his longtime money man, who knows all of his secrets, is willing to plead guilty to a felony and go to jail, but not willing to testify against his former boss, lindsey. >> and i want to go into what that means for the trump

organization in a little bit. but first, let's go to nbc's tom winter, who was inside the courthouse, is now outside. tom, ken just set it up for us, but talk to us about the mood inside the court and the significance of the moment. >> right, so, i mean, i think, first off, it was very somber. and for allen weiselberg, he answered the questions in a very muted voice. it was frankly very difficult to hear him. and i was only about 10 to 12 rows behind him in court. he came in, just started the proceeding on time, approximately 10:01 this morning. it lasted for more than an hour. and the judge went through count by count and listed all of the things that were included in the indictment that ken has already touched on. we're talking about payments for multiple mercedes benz vehicles, we're talking about an apartment in new york city, a garage for those vehicles, talking even about cash payments that were used for his grandchildren's private tuition. he agreed to all of the conduct, as ken laid out for us. he does agree to testify against

the trump organization in an upcoming trial. no sentencing date has been set, but for the 74-year-old, who had his birthday just this week, earlier this week, in fact, five months in jail, probably a little bit less than that. they'll probably give him time off for good behavior, but five months in jail at rikers island, not something that he is probably looking forward to. no indication at all that he will testify or provide any sort of ongoing cooperation against the former president, donald trump, personally. he will, as we mentioned, testify against the corporation and admitted to behavior that he conducted with an unindicted co-conspirator, who's been named now publicly in jeffrey mccony, someone who was the senior vice president and controller of the trump organization. so today, all the conduct that came out in an indictment approximately a year ago when he was indicted last summer, has now been agreed to and pleaded guilty to, by allen weisselberg,

the organization's former chief financial officer, and as ken said, donald trump's effective money man for the last 15 years or so. >> so, chuck, given all that allen weisselberg knows about the inner workings of the trump organization, how much danger could he do to a potential case, again, if he is called, if it comes to that? >> if he is called, he would be a valuable witness for the government, lindsey, but i think there's something odd here and i don't fully understand it. when i was a federal prosecutor, if someone wanted to plead guilty and cooperate, the requirement was that they cooperate against everyone, about anything that we asked. they had to be truthful, but they couldn't carve out certain things that they wouldn't cooperate on. one question is, does he have information that would implicate individuals including the former president, and he's simply refusing to provide it, or does note have that at all, and therefore his cooperation is limited to just the trump

organization? the second thing seems unlikely to me. the first thing, that he has cooperation -- i'm sorry, that he has information about others and won't provide it, is troubling. again, you either cooperate or you don't. if you cooperate, you cooperate fully. so it's interesting to me that they would have a cooperation deal in place and only receive partial cooperation. i think that's a question worth answering at some point. does he have information about individuals and is he simply refusing to provide it? if the answer to that is yes and yes, then i wouldn't give him the benefit of a deal where he gets some credit, any credit, for quote/unquote, cooperation. >> so, chuck, why would prosecutors have agreed to that such deal if, in fact, the answer to those two questions, does he have information and will he testify are both yes? >> yeah, so it's possible, lindsey, that he doesn't have information that would implicate individuals. if he does, and government, in this case, the district attorney

in manhattan has agreed to carve that out, maybe it's for some other reason that we don't understand or see yet. maybe they perceive some risk in their case or some weakness. or maybe it's just better for them to have him plead guilty to 15 counts and move this thing along. but i do think that it's interesting, again, as a federal prosecutor, my experience is you cooperate fully and truthfully against everyone and anything and there are no carveouts available to you. you don't get the benefit of the deal if you're not willing to be completely candid and truthful about any question that we might have for you. >> well, the other, obviously, big story line we're watching today is that mar-a-lago case and whether we're going to see that search warrant affidavit. so turning now to cal, who's outside that courthouse in west palm beach, florida, cal, what can we expect from the judge's decision? >> well, look, you can possibly hear from the judge today. he could rule from the bench immediately. he could also set a timetable for ruling or we could hear

possibly nothing today. what we do know that we will hear is first from the group of media organizations that are asking for this affidavit to be unsealed. and we know from the filings that came before this hearing, basically, what we're going to hear those media organizations, and i should mention nbc news is part of that group, we know what we're going to hear, what they're going to argue, and they said this in the filing is, quote, not since the nixon administration has the federal government wielded its power to seize documents from a former president in such a fashion. they call it an historic and unprecedented execution of a search warrant. that's why they say the public has an inherent interest to see this affidavit. the department of justice says it would cause significant and irreparable damage to the ongoing criminal investigation. quote, if disclosed, the affidavit would serve as a road map to the government's ongoing investigation. that is going to be the department of justice's position as to why they want to keep this affidavit sealed. the other thing that the government has mentioned is

witnesses. they say if they give up this affidavit, it will have a chilling effect on future witnesses, not just folks that they have already talked to, but people they might talk to in the future. the last thing i'll leave you with, lindsey, there have been courts according to the police department on judge reinhart. he's the one that actually signed that original search warrant that was executed last monday. palm beach gardens police department putting out a statement saying they are, quote, aware of threats against judge reinhart. quote, we are working with our federal law enforcement partners. it gives you an idea of sort of what has been taking place and the atmosphere down here since that search warrant was executed. lindsey? >> wow. chuck, yesterday in this hour when we talk to andrew wiseman, he said, if we see anything, it would likely be so redacted we wouldn't be able to glean much from it. do you think we'll end up seeing a good chunk of the affidavit? >> yes, eventually, but not soon. you know, think about it this way, lindsey. if there are threats against the judge that signed the warrant, it's going to be hard for media outlets to argue that everything

should be unsealed and released today. and to counter the government's argument that witnesses would really be at risk. if the judge is at risk, it must dawn on him that witnesses would be at risk, too. both sides are making exactly the arguments that you would expect. my guess, somewhat informed, i hope, is that the government prevails here and keeps the affidavit either entirely sealed or mostly sealed, as andrew described, meaning heavily redacted if it's released in part. that's because they have a law enforcement purpose to do so. they have an ongoing criminal investigation. and so while the law prefers that documents become available to the public, because courts operate in a public space, when there is a legitimate law enforcement reason to keep something under seal, judges typically defer to the government on that. the threats against judge reinhart drive home the point that there could be threats against forest this is prematurely unsealed.

>> and when we talk about an ongoing case that chuck just alluded to, it really ongoing. and you report more than a week after the search, agents are still sifting through the seized documents. does that really underscore how much was taken? >> it does to me, lindsey. it also underscores just how meticulous the fbi is being here. we're talking about the filter team. so this is a group of fbi agents and analysts who are not affiliated with the investigation. their job is to remove documents that could be subject to attorney/client privilege. and they're also looking for things that aren't relevant. so they pulled out donald trump's passports the other day, which they deemed were not relevant to the investigation. and they gave them back immediately. and i think chuck might say that that's not normal for an fbi investigation. often, people have to wait a while to get their property back, even if it's not directly relevant. in this case, the fbi is bending overbackwards, it appears, to be meticulous. and what they're doing, once they decide that documents are

relevant to the investigation, then they're turning it over to the actual agents from the washington field office, and we believe fbi counterintelligence agents who are conducting this investigation. and look, we're ten days out. they're still going through all of this material. they're also looking to make sure there aren't classified documents buried in the stuff that wasn't marked classified, lindsey. >> okay, and phil, when we talk about these legal moments reaching a crescendo for the president, it appears so are donations, right, to his pack. your colleagues at "the post" reporting that trump bombarded his supporters with more than 100 e-mails, asking for money based on the fbi's search for classified materials last week. contributions to trump's political action committee topped $1 million on at least two days after the search, according to two people familiar with the figures. is there any sign, though, of unease in trump world over all of this? >> oh, sure, you know, trump and his campaign advisers are trying to capitalize on this for political gain by raising money,

but that's sort of a veneer. and nee the surface, there certainly is unease about where this investigation is going to head, what sort of legal vulnerability the former president may be under or those around him, over their handling of these classified materials. and it's not just that investigation. remember, there's another investigation going on in georgia at the state level, where rudy giuliani was testifying before -- behind closed doors, before the grand jury yesterday. that investigation is troubling to trump and those in his orbit. there's the new york investigation. there's also the justice department's separate investigation into the fake elector scheme and the january 6th attack. all of these investigations are moving forward and are causes for concern in trump world. and just look at my colleagues reporting earlier this week about the former president's struggle to find seasoned lawyers who can represent him,

specifically in the classified documents case down in florida. but in these other investigations, as well. if he's scrambling for lawyers, that tells you that he's concerned about the jeopardy that he's in. >> chuck, real quick, before we go. i want to talk to you about some of those concurrent investigations right now. because we know that federal prosecutors investigating january 6th have subpoenaed some of those mar-a-lago documents from the national archives. what does that tell you? >> sure, it means that they have a broader, more wide-ranging investigation. not just based on the mishandling of classified information, but i surmise, lindsey, also tied to the fake elector scheme, and the attempt to overturn a valid american presidential election. >> we covered a lot of ground in the first 14 minutes of the show. my thanks to all of you. and we've got a lot more ground to cover. coming up, much more on longtime trump executive allen weisselberg pleading guilty to

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turning back to that breaking news at the top of the show. former trump organization ceo allen weisselberg pleaded guilty on all counts tied to his indictment in a tax case. he just put out a statement saying, the court promised

weisselberg a sentence of five months in jail, to be served on rikers island, and five years probation, contingent on weisselberg testifying truthfully in the upcoming criminal trial of the trump organization. nbc's julia ainsley joins me now with more. also joining us is charles coleman, civil rights attorney, former brooklyn prosecutor, and an msnbc legal analyst. so julia, we also just got a statement from weiselberg's attorney. i'm going to go ahead and read it. it reads in part, quote, in one of the most difficult decisions of his life, mr. weisselberg decided to enter a plea of guilty today to put an end to this case and a year's long legal and personal nightmares it has caused for him and his family. rather than risk the possible of 15 years in prison, he has agreed to serve 100 days. we are glad to have this behind him. i mean, julia, five months at rikers is a lot for anyone. this is a man who's 75. what will you be watching at the upcoming trump organization trial? >> well, exactly. it's one of the most difficult

decisions of his life. i also have to point out, if you're doing a little bit of math there, 100 days is not five months. i would love to say why they said that in the statement. but they're basically coming to the point that they didn't want to do 15 years in jail. still, his lawyer is not really taking a big mea culpa for his client. instead saying, we're just trying to put this behind us. but what's next for the trump organization, is that they will now have testifying against them the former cfo, who would have been the one keeping all of the books, and who would have had inside knowledge of the alleged tax fraud scheme that they're being charged with. this is a scheme that allegedly went on for 16 years, and in which executives at the trump organization took $1.8 million in compensation, often given through perks without putting that on the books, and essentially avoiding having to pay taxes on that $1.8 million. the trump organization has said that they're not guilty and that they've been unfairly targeted. that was the same defense that we first heard from mr.

weisselberg, now pleading guilty today. we can expect this upcoming trial, which will begin in late october, we'll be able to hear more from allen weisselberg on that scheme, but we have to point out, there's no indication that he's going to be testifying or cooperating against his former boss, the former president himself, instead, it will be against his former employer, the trump organization. >> so, charles, to that note, when we asked chuck about this earlier this hour, he said he was surprised that they would have done a carveout. does that also strike you as odd? >> it does strike me as odd. i thought the same thing when i heard chuck talk about it. one of the things as a prosecutor that you try to do when you're securing these sorts of deals is you want to make sure that you can get as much utility out of a cooperating witness as possible. and in this case, you would expect that weisselberg would have some sort of information on donald trump that as a prosecutor, you would want to pressure him into cooperating to deliver. and so the only thing that i can think of in this situation that weisselberg didn't necessarily

say that he wouldn't cooperate. i think it's more so that what he said, and if prosecutors bought it, for that matter, is that he did not have information about donald trump that he could deliver. that was the big question going into the fact that he was arrested, was weisselberg going to be able to flip or would they be able to flip weisselberg? they clearly did, but not enough in my opinion. because if there's still information that he does have about donald trump, prosecutors were supposed to make that a part of any agreement that they made. the only reason i can think that that did not happen is simply because he said he didn't have it, and prosecutors must have believed him. >> charles, one more question about the specific place that if he ends up serving five months he would go in rikers, is that typical for somebody who would plead guilty on a white-collar crime and do you see any special security requests from weisselberg's legal team? >> well, it is typical that he would serve his time down state, because it is less than a year. so rikers island is the appropriate place for him to serve it.

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and in an email to all cdc employees, and it comes as a crucial time, as americans now face new rising concerns about monkeypox and polio. nbc national correspondent gabe gutierrez is joining me with more. gabe, what kind of changes are we talking about? >> these changes grew out of an external review the cdc director ordered in april. they are a blunt acknowledgement that the cdc fell short with so many lives at stake. this morning, a sweeping reorganization of the cdc is underway after the agency's director offered a stunning rebuke of its covid response. dr. rochelle walensky now says, in our big moment, our performance did not reliably meet expectations. >> we learned some hard lessons over the last three years, and as part of that, it's my responsibility, it's the agency's responsibility to learn from those lessons and do better. >> throughout the pandemic, the cdc has been blasted for shifting guidance over masks. >> kind of just laughed, because it was like two weekses ago, i feel like they just like got rid

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second instance of u.s. community spread in 43 years. last week, health officials announced that polio had been detected in new york city's wastewater. >> make sure that your children are protected, because this is a very, very serious disease. >> a polio vaccine clinic opening in rockland county, new york, an area where the vaccination rate is as low as 37%. >> i may have gotten it as a child, but i wasn't sure about my records, so that's why i came. >> still, the cdc says almost all children, 93% across the u.s. are vaccinated against polio before the age of 2. now, if you aren't sure, most states do allow you to request immunization records online. a polio booster is not recommended if you got your initial vaccine as a kid. >> i was one of the ones texting my mom, did i get this? >> it's a trending search. >> i want to dive deeper with dr. zeke emanuel with the

university of pennsylvania and codirector of the school's health care transformation institute. and also, he worked in the obama administration. he's also the author of, which country has the world's best health care. so, dr., gabe set it up for us. what do you think about these new proposed ideas for the agency going forward? could it change how the government meaningfully responds to future crisis? >> i think that there are some very good things here. first, an acknowledgement of failure by the agency, i think, you might have to be even more blunt than dr. walensky was, but that's critical for change. second, this sort of focus on actually intervening, on having an impact, on addressing problems, not on scientific publications. very important for a public health agency. third, i think it's really important that they're emphasizing better communications, clearer communications. and i would also say, fourth,

they're bringing in a tried and true person to help them implement this, mary wakefield, who is acting deputy secretary in the last days of the obama administration. and she's widely admired. there are still problems. the first is, a lot of people within the cdc are worried about the process used. dr. walensky was in boston, not a lot of face-to-face comment. the recommendations weren't done in consultation with the staff, and that'll make it somewhat harder to get them to adopt this and break down the sort of siloed nature that they've had. second, one of the things i do worry about is the cdc does all of public health and all of public health is not just infectious disease, not just pandemics. we have to face lots of other public health crises. these include things like bad eating and a lot of other issues, the sort of chronic issues that are plaguing the united states. smoking and others.

so we've got to be sure that we don't just focus on one aspect of what the cdc is supposed to do. the last thing i would -- >> let me just stop you there. because, yes, the cdc is tasked with all of these things. but top of mind right now is now we are handling infectious diseases, covid, monkeypox, polio. do you think there's enough in here for the average american to grasp on to and say, i understand, and i might feel those changes? and also, if the agency eventually does want to ask congress to compel states to turn over data, do you think that can make a difference when we do have some states, for example, florida, refusing to turn some of that over, as it pertains to covid? >> so, first, you know, the proof is going to be in the pudding for the public. is the communications more clear? is the communications better and more timely? second, i do think that there are two aspects to this da. and you're 100% right. congress has to give the cdc the ability to make predictions and

respond are only as good as the data that we have. it's personal that places like google and facebook have better data than the u.s. government. and that's because we have antiquated systems and states don't have to give the data. but the other part is, the cdc has to put the data out there, much more rapidly without its own analysis or before it own analysis takes place, so that lots of people in the country, lots of good experts who weighed in on covid, can continue to weigh in in a timely manner. both of those steps are necessary. the second step is a cdc step, not a congressional step. >> and before we let you go, there's some new news today about the biden administration's response to monkeypox, including making 1.8 million doses of the vaccine available for ordering. talk about what this can do and is it enough? >> well, they're not making more doses available. what they're doing is taking the doses and stretching them longer by using this technique called

interdermal injection. there are four layers to the skin. the top is the epidermis, the middle is the dermis, then the fat, then the muscle. you try to get it into that layer just under the surface of the skin. that's hard. and there are worries that people need to be trained in this and that we will not necessarily get everyone fully vaccinated. this clearly isn't enough. it's a good step, but it's clearly not enough. we have many millions of people who are at risk, either because of exposure, high-risk activity, men who have sex with many men, and we're going to have millions of more doses. this is, as i say, a step in the right direction, but it's not going to be sufficient to address this crisis also. >> and thank you for cutting through that, that this is that process of making one dose into five. dr. zeke emanuel, appreciate you today. thank you. >> thank. coming up on our next hour, andrea mitchell will talk to dr. anthony fauci about this new cdc report.

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just won't leave the house, because i'll just spend money if i do. >> yeah. absolutely. people telling us that they either stay at home or -- one woman said, i go to places that are free now. i go to parks, i go to beaches. i don't go to restaurants. another woman says, i have given up all my coffee runs, which to us journalists is obviously a really painful thought. but in all seriousness, these new retail numbers show that a lot of people are spending a lot more time searching online for deals, driving between stores, finding the best prices, which can be tricky with those high gas prices. and retailers now feeling the effects. target announcing a staggering loss yesterday, saying their second quarter earnings have dropped roughly 90% from where they were a year ago. kohl's also taking a hit. best buy taking a hit as people basically shy away from non-essentials like clothes and shoes just to afford basics like food. take a listen. >> we try to go from store to store and, you know, get whatever is cheaper. >> oh, i'm trying to stretch my

money and try to look at whatever's cheaper and try to work -- you know. because everything is so high. we like, okay, what's on sale? and get the stuff that's on sale. and stretch our money. >> at the same time, another retail sector that took a bit hit is auto sales. those were down roughly 1.5%. a lot of people wondering, what's behind that? gas prices, lack in demand? we talked to one auto dealer here in chicago, they said demand is really high, but they don't have the inventory because of supply chain shortages, namely the chip shortage. and by the way, it takes a lot more chips to make a hybrid car, which a lot more people want now because of the high gas prices. the ripple effects just keep widening and they're doing everything they can to navigate this tricky economy. >> real quick, if i'm in the market right now for patio furniture, for example, what can i get a deal on?

>> what can you get a deal on? at this point, you would want to -- and i hate to say this, but probably go to the retailers that are known for their lowest prices, and i would start by shopping online. experts tell us, again, that's why that statistic is up. a lot of people are finding those big deals online. but the retailers that are having a hard time, including kohl's, which has deals up to 80% off right now on their website, you can definitely take advantage of that in the meantime and see if you can score something, like a big purchase like that. >> maggie vespa, thanks so much. a red flag for republicans right now in pennsylvania. the cook political report just updated its rating on the senate race between democrat john fedderman and republican mehmet oz, switching it from a toss-up to a likelier democratic pickup. fedderman's campaign says it raised more than $500 off of one of my next guest calls the crudites video seen around the world. newly resurfaced video of oz shopping for veggies intended to highlight how much we're paying

for food, well, it backfired spectacularly on the celebrity tv doctor. fedderman's camp says it shows that oz is out of touch. watch. >> i'm going to do some grocery shopping. i'm at wegeners. my wife wants some vegetables for crudites. >> in p.a., we call this a veggie tray, and if this looks like anything other than a veggie tray to you, i am not your candidate. >> let's bring in alexi mccanon, an msnbc political contributor. so, julia, it wasn't just that, it was the fact that he mispronounced wegman's, he said wegener's. how is this turning out to be a gaffe for oz? >> i think this just sort of represents a lot of the attacks that he's faced throughout the campaign. that he can't relate to everyday pennsylvanians as this celebrity doctor who is also a multimillionaire.

and it also just really took off on social media, and particularly among fedorman's supporters on social media, which has already been kind of this network that has come together to troll him before. i think it's important to say what this is and what it isn't, but it's certainly galvanizing fedderman's supporters and as you can see, you know, raising $500,000 the day after this kind of went viral is nothing to sneeze at. that's a lot of tv time in a major market in philadelphia. >> well, alexi, oz is even defending himself on news max. let's watch. >> i was exhausted. when you're campaigning 18 hours a day -- listen, i've gotten my kids' names wrong as well. i don't think that's a measure of someone's ability to lead the commonwealth. >> that was about mispronouncing the store. but what does that tell you, that he's on the defense on this? >> well, it just goes to show that john fetterman's campaign

is continuing to drive the conversation and sort of the contours of this race my forcing his opponent, dr. oz, to answer these questions and talk about these things, when, you know, i'm sure that he and his campaign would love to be using that airtime to talk about his issues and his ideas for pennsylvania. but, you know, to the point about raising $500,000, i think some critics might look at this and say, okay, you're running a campaign, john fetterman, by trolling people online. but that $500,000, as was just alluded to, can be used for tv ads to talk about economy, inflation, health care, these other issues on places like fox news, which is exactly what his campaign has been doing. they've been running ads on fox about the economy. blaming washington. really kind of pushing this populist, maybe even a little bit more moderate message, because of all the money they're raising from these online games that they're playing. >> julia, online games. what do voters care about? >> you know, i do think there's

some question of, you know, do these social media moments matter at all for the undecided voter or for, you know, voters around the state who are still trying to make up their mind in this race. i think issues do matter to them. and, you know, the question for oz is, does he have kind of enough runway to convince enough undecided voters before november, because he is, he's trailing quite substantially in some of these polls. but i think oz has come out saying that he wants to debate fetterman. this has been a race that has been kind of just like all memes and celebrity videos and, you know, i think a lot of voters really want to hear more about the issues. >> alexi, real clear politics has fetterman up an average of 8.7 points over oz. but i want to show you a headline from "the new york

times," senate gop campaign arm slashes tv ad bias in three states -- three pivotal states, by the way -- including pennsylvania. do we know why? >> well, the nrsc, the campaign arm for republican senate candidates and members, says that they are kind of using their money more money from the battleground states to then distribute it in different ways, different places. it's clear that both parties are looking at the ways in which the political landscape has been changing pretty significantly and pretty quickly over the last several weeks alone given some of the major news events that i don't have to tell you both about. the one thing that i would say is that the nrsc is ahead of schedule on their spending. they spent over $30 million on tv ads so far. they are planning to spend more. democrats i talked to even today in pennsylvania and these other battleground states say that they are anticipating mcconnell's super pac, the senate leadership fund, to spend tens of millions of dollars, if not more, after labor day. they are preparing for this

money even if republicans are pulling it out at this moment to then shift elsewhere later. >> interesting. thank you so much for joining me. coming up, new intelligence in ukraine about a nuclear plant in the east. what we are hearing from ukrainian military officials next. new astepro allergy. no allergy spray is faster. with the speed of astepro, almost nothing can slow you down.

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ukraine has said even though russia controls the plant, they have been attacking it themselves in order to blame it on ukraine. today, we heard from russia's defense ministry predicting tomorrow, ukraine would launch some type of a nuclear provocation at the nuclear plant which ukraine officials believed meant russia was laying the ground for yet another false flag operation, that russia was saying ukraine is going to attack tomorrow so if there's an attack tomorrow, people would blame it on ukraine, even though it was russia. today, i spoke with a senior official from ukraine's military intelligence directorate who said they learned russia told its own nuclear experts who are at that site, representatives from russia's state-owned nuclear agency, not to show up to work tomorrow, which is raising concerns russia may be planning something there tomorrow. doesn't want its own workers to be injured and is telling them to stay away. in the meantime, both countries

have been having nuclear disaster drills here in the region. over the last 48 hours or so, practicing what they would do to decontaminate, response if there was a radiation leak that experts say if it were to occur could spread beyond ukraine into germany, slovakia, poland and other parts of europe. >> josh, we are hearing that they are telling them not to come to work tomorrow. what about people in the area? >> reporter: ukraine officials have told people who are in the zaporizhzhia region that if they are pregnant women or they are children, they should be evacuating. they would be at the highest risk for radiation levels. beyond that, zaporizhzhia is a city. there's lots of people here. we can see even from where i'm at right now, people are on the streets going about their daily lives. there has been shelling at that nuclear plant for weeks now that has damaged power lines, has caused other damage to the infrastructure there. so far, it hasn't led to any

kind of radiation spread. for now, people are mostly staying put. certainly, the tensions are rising and there are real fears given what russia said today, that there could be something tomorrow that could be really concerning. >> josh, thank you for bringing us that breaking news. that does it for me. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in new york today where the chief financial officer of the trump organization has been pleaded guilty to tax evasion at the family business and faces jail time while the florida judge who approved the search at mar-a-lago is about to hold a hearing on a request to release the secret affidavit justifying that search. florida magistrate judge rineheart will hear testimony.