♪♪ all right. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> my father always kept clippings, you know, press clippings. he would have newspaper articles, pictures, notes from us. >> quite honestly i'm concerned that they may have planted something.

>> 2017, former president obama, you might have forgotten this. "the new york post" remembered. they shipped 30 million pages of sensitive and possibly classified materials to chicago. >> all right. and now trump and his advisers have yet a new excuse for why trump kept classified documents. plus, arizona used to give us republicans like john mccain. well, now the fringe is firmly in control of the party there with election deniers and extremists rising to the top. also tonight, an important victory in sali berisha for reproductive rights, but across the country more young girls are being forced to give birth. and fresh off her defeat in the wyoming primary, liz cheney is blasting kevin mccarthy and had some thoughts on the possibility that he could potentially be the next speaker. good evening, everyone. i'm tiffany cross in tonight for joy reid and we begin with the ever-evolving excuses from donald trump and his team over why classified documents, including some classified at the highest levels, were even at his mar-a-lago residence in the first place. now as hard as it may be to

believe, there's actually a pat attorney these excuses. a law professor at the university of texas laid out the stages of trump's denial brilliantly. one, it didn't happen. whatever happened was a big deal. someone else did it. whatever happened isn't illegal. the president can't be liable for whatever happened. well, obama did it, too. who cares if the president did it, and it's illegal. you know, if that sounds familiar, it's because that tweet is actually from 2018 when trump was trying to defend himself from the mueller investigation, and, yes, that was true in 2018 and it's still true today. deny and deflect in any way you can. just last night we got the latest explanation for the twice-impeached former president's actions from his former and current personal attorneys. he just wanted to keep the documents safe. mm-hmm. >> and now they want to make him responsible for having taken classified documents and preserved them.

really if you look at the espionage act, it's not really about taking the documents. it's about destroying them or hiding them or giving them to the enemy. >> right. >> it's not about taking them and putting them in a place that's roughly as safe as they were in in the first place. >> mar-a-lago is secure in and of itself, you know. just getting on to the compound is hard, and then it was a locked door and getting, you know, back down into the basement, there's security. you can't just walk down there. only certain members of staff can get there, and then there's only one key, so, yes, it's a very limited number of people that have access down there. >> we'll talk about that in a bit, but, of course, if trump's true concern was actually to keep the classified documents safe, documents, by the way, wehe initially claimed were planted there by fbi agents, but wouldn't the best place to keep them safe at the national archives? i mean, honestly, at this point they will say just about anything to further muddy the

waters regardless of how absurd it may be because so many americans out there will believe him and that includes this ridiculous claim that everything was already declassified because trump had a standing order. mm-hmm. that materials taken from the oval office to the residence should be considered declassified. okay, if that were true, few people in the trump white house were even aware of it so cnn is saying that 18 former trump officials say they never heard any such order issued and they believe the claim to be patently false. that includes two of trump's form f-chief of staffs and john kelly saying nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given and mick mulvaney saying, quote, he wasn't aware of a general standing order like that. second, even if you accept that the standing order thing to be true, it is legally irrelevant based on the three federal criminal statutes listed on the search warrant that was unsealed last week. that is because none of the statutes depend on whether

documents contain classified information. now, it's likely trump's legal team knows all of this, but how else can you mount a defense for this ridiculousness? it may also explain why yesterday why a judge was hearing arguments over why parts of the search warrant affidavit should be unsealed allowing us to see some of the evidence backing the fbi's actions. now, trump's legal team did not make any motion to unseal it. they only watched from the public seating area. we're going to talk about that, too. let's bring in clint watts, a former consultant for the fbi counterterrorism division and a distinguished fellow at the research policy intuit and we have with us bradley moss, a national security attorney. bradley, i want to start off with you. i want to start with the lies themselves. could the false statements and the lies that trump routinely makes, could they be introduced in any of the multiple legal proceedings against him as having demonstrated a pattern of

lying? >> sure. the entirety of information would be available to the government, although what will be most critical is what was directly conveyed not on truth social or in any press release but between his lawyers and the fbi and national archives officials that have been coordinating with his staff for the last 18 months. we know that it was months ago that they found there were records missing. we know 15 boxes were retrieved in february. we know ongoing negotiations continue, that a subpoena was issued in june. more classified documents were taken out that apparently one of the lawyers for donald trump signed an affidavit saying there were no more records and yet the government had sufficient evidence to get this search warrant and lo and behold they found more classified records. all that have would come into play. >> clint, i want to bring you in because you just heard what bradley said. this whole idea that mar-a-lago was a safe space, let's take a

listen to what bob small had to say about that, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> our team believed that it was secure enough. they asked for one more lock, add another lock which we did and then for whatever reason they decided that they still needed to raid the place. >> and is it only one or two people had access to that room to your knowledge? >> that's my understanding. i mean, i would have to check, you know, the maintenance of that area, but my understanding is it's a very small number of people that could get in there. >> accepts and does it make a difference? the fbi went in there with good reason, i would imagine? does it make a difference that they are saying that only one or two people had access to it despite that apparently being false as well? >> you know, tiffany. just a small number of random people had access to classified documents in the basement of what is essentially a hotel redding facility.

i mean, what could probably go wrong in that scenario? >> seriously. no. on both accounts it does not matter. it's absolutely ridiculous. she each admitted in her open statement she doesn't know who has access to it or when it was accessed which is opposite of the national or skiffs or any skif where they were keep classified information within the government. ridiculous on all counts. the biggest thing is they didn't even know what they had or seem to know what they had so how would they know if the room was entered into what was there and what as accessed. it's ridiculous on every single part of this chain of custody and that's what we would have inside a government space is a chain of custody for every piece of classified information that would track over system that was there. everyone would be logged in and out. this item would be controlled or that item would be controlled and it's just completely ludicrous and even in the response she said there was nothing to worry about but she also didn't know. it's just crazy on the surface

all the way through that explanation. >> well, you have, of course, more experience in donald trump. his first job was as president. good job, america. i want to stick with you here, clint, because i'm curious. you know, we in the media, we obviously have a vested interest in knowing what's in the affidavit. we try our best to relate information to the people of this country, but i do understand why there are reasons why the affidavit should stay sealed. i'm just curious, because you're on the law enforcement side, counterterrorism side what, your thoughts are about unsealing this affidavit and if the judge happened to ask your opinion, what might you advise the judge when it comes town sealing the affidavit? >> so in general i would say absolutely not because you want to trust whoever the confidential informants and sources are and what methods you used to gather information. you also want to make sure that it's correct. if these affidavits, when they are going to do these search warrants, they are trying gain more evidence to confirm what they believe is a criminal conspiracy, so in any of these affidavits there's the potential that something could be not quite right, that they would

learn and correct based on what they find in the search warrant. that's the whole point of this. it's an investigative process, just like a scientific hypothesis where you're trying to gain evidence to confirm what you think you know and then bring a charge. i think there's one exception to this. i think we've learned it over the last decade, particularly in the social media era, but definitely during the trump administration which if many falsehoods are going to be levied against of department of justice and investigators and attorneys who have been working on these cases, the best way to quickly thwart those conspiracies is to get the truth out. i think what they are trying to balance here is how they keep investigative secrecy around the investigation intact and try to protect sources and methods while also trying to protect the conscious of the american public about what really happened and what's really going on. it's a tough balance to keep that privacy and security going and make sure the american public is really informed on what's going on. >> yeah. that is a tough balance. bradley, i'm curious from you,

what -- what does accountability or what should accountable look like for donald trump here? >> yeah. look, if that were anybody else, they wouldn't have taken 18 months to do this. they would have seized those records months ago and an indictment probably already would have occur. this is a former president. there are issues of potential declassification even if under the espionage act it's not required for the information to be classified so you would think thereby likely depending on what they have collected and what the information that we already have that there will be an indictment here. that certainly would be viable from a legal perspective in my view. part of what they are running down right now, and we've got the media reporting, was there actually a standing snored what did it look like? no one seems to know about it but donald trump seems to think there was up. what did it look like and how were the boxes put together in the first place? it sounds ridiculously chaotic. >> extremely chaotic.

>> clint, i want to ask you a question about the blue lives matter party because i'm old enough when they were reporting themselves to be pro-law enforcement but today twitter wrote on his twitter wannabe social media platform what will people realize that the atrocities being perpetrated by the fbi and doj having to do with the raid and break-in in my home? he went on to say they are destroying the country. this is further vilifying and attacking of the doj and fbi. we've seen what that does to millions of his followers, many of whom are armed, the fact that they are declaring war with an air gun and ar-15. how much does this concern you? >> quite so. i think it's really the end point of a long sort of breakage between the federal, state and local government in many places. you can do anything from false electors to breaking down the cdc directors during the public

health in many states during the pandemic and federal law enforcement, their most essential partners are local and state law enforcement and there's been a wedge driven inside those organizations over the last four to five years. you've seen similar dynamics with the military though it's stayed relatively intact. the big question is how do we enforce laws across the country evenly? who is going to carry those out? you have things such as the constitutional sheriff's movement where they don't need to abide by federal law or even work with federal law enforcement, and then the bigger picture is something terrible happens in a jurisdiction where the fbi has been so degraded by trump's rhetoric, a strong trump district let's say, and the fbi can't develop sources, canned work with state locals. that doesn't help anybody but donald trump but it definitely hurts those constituents of the united states who depend on the fbi ever more in a cyber

environment where people do their job and protect the united states. >> if a black lives activist matter had said something similar how the right would be reacting to that. a subject for another time. thanks for being here. coming up on "the reidout," arizona is still a swing state so why have arizona republicans swung so far to the fringe right? "the reidout" will get into that right after this break. don't go anywhere. that right after th bisreak don't go anywhere.

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all right. in 2020 joe biden did something that no other democratic presidential nominee had done since 1996, and that is win the state of arizona. that's right. biden won the state that was proudly home to republican firebrands barry goldwater, jan brewer and joe arpaio. now, you would think that the arizona republican party would take a second and maybe re-evaluate their strategy after a loss like that, right? oh, no, no, no, no. they put all their chips in on the maga train and yesterday on twitter that same arizona republican party accused a mother and teacher who is running for re-election for state superintendent of public schools, they accused her of being, quote, a groomer. now i would understand if you thought that kind of low class rhetoric is a fluke from some low-level staffer, but no, no. not so fast. let me introduce you to the standard bearers of arizona's modern republican party. let's start with former tv news

anchor kari lake, who voted for barack obama and now parrots the big lie. >> let me tell you this. there is no good guys in corporate media. they don't exist. if there were good guys, they would be telling us about hydroxychloroquine and i've mayor-electin. >> you called joe biden an illegitimate? >> he lost the election and shouldn't be in the white house. we had a corrupt election. don't tell me that joe biden won 81 million votes. don't insult my intelligence. i refuse to have it. >> okay. then there's secretary of state candidate mark finchum, currently a state legislator and tried to decertify the arizona election and failed and he's also a member of the oath keepers, right wing paramilitary group that you guys know and there's this little fun fact. he actually attended the capitol insurrection and a revealing new

piece in "politico" an arizona republican was shocked at finchum's success given that mark is known as the guy that's probably the dumbest, well, there's a long list, but one of the dumbest legislators in the statehouse. yeah. then there's blake masters. he wants to u.n. seat senator mark kelly and masters claim he won in 2020 and if he was a senator in 2020 he would have objected to the results. oh, but there's more about masters. he also supports a federal personhood law. blames gun violence on black people and peddles the great replacement theory that democrats are, quote, trying to change the demographic of our country. oh, and then there's this. masters recently praised the unabomber as an underrated thinker. we have a lot to talk about, so joining me now is arizona state senator raquel toran and the writer for "the all work" and author of why dedid it, the

travel log to the republican road to hell." >> i have to start with you, rakell, i don't know where to begin. what the hell is happening with the gop in arizona because whatever is happening there it has cast a dark shadow across the entire country? >> that's correctly. arizona sadly has a long history of extremists, and you name former sheriff arpaio, state senator russell pierce who was the author of the show me your paper law. by the way, both of whom were ousted by the voters here in arizona, but since the emergence of donald trump, these extremists have taken over the arizona republican party. they are down with the maga extremists and that agenda, so candidates like kari lake, masters, finchum, are more concerned with the lies and donald trump than they are with helping arizonans.

>> yeah, it's quite frightening to see, tom. i'll push back a little bit on what rakell said because i don't think this began with trumpet i remember sarah palin on the campaign trail. i remember a lot of the rhetoric that ronald reagan used. i remember george w. bush and george bush and his father, and so it feels like this was bubbling up for a long time and there was a lot of policy that was harmful, but donald trump simply said the quiet part out loud. what do you think folks like these never trumpers now who have surfaced, how can they take responsibility and help set the country on a different course because some of this, it feels like this train has left station and there might not be saving the republican party again? >> well, in arizona at least, these never trumpers can start by voting for mark kelly and katie hobbs in the senate and governor's race. that's as important a state in the country as protecting our democracy going forward, arizona and pennsylvania, and it's important for democrats to talk

to those voters. yes, it's true there's always been extremists in the republican party. there's always been rhetoric that asser baited racial tensions. you know, we can go down the worst hits list, but arizona was also a state of people like jeff flake, a never trumper, of john mccain who was a moderate republican on a lot of issues. believed in climate change and saved obamacare. >> yeah. >> the voters who liked jeff flake and john mccain, those voters, the democrats absolutely need and joe biden won them in 2020. that's why joe biden won the state and we have to be abundantly clear about just how radical the kari lakes and blake masters are. they are not like the john mccain. these are absolutely insane people that are going to be happy to overturn the election on behalf of donald trump in 2024. they are pledging that they will do that. that is their -- that is the reason why they won their primaries, and so i just think it's critical to kind of cleve those voters off in suburban

phoenix, the types of people who have been republicans in the past and to see these extremists for what they are. >> yeah. i mean, rakell, tim makes so many good points there. donald trump is clearly laying the groundwork to have any election results that the republican party doesn't like simply overturned. they are infiltrating the system through random acts of violence. they are infiltrating the system by trying to be elected to disrupt democracy. how will you navigate that in the state of arizona particularly given mark funchium. he's a scary character if he's elected along with kari layer and masters arizona has got some problems. >> arizona and the country would have some problems, but i'm confident in arizona voters, because, like you said, even though there's extreme agenda, maga agenda did not start with donald trump. arizonans have shown that we reject -- we reject extremism like they did with sheriff

and with russell pierce, and i am did have didn't that we are not going to let them win and we'll have our democrats winning, but it is so dangerous because we all know that the road to preserving american democracy runs through arizona this november, and that is precisely why we cannot allow finchum or any of these election deniers win. i have to make a point that the republican primary and this republican primary, some of these candidates who are the most extreme did not win with at least 50% so we know that half of the party is rejecting them and that's why, tim, we as arizonan democrats are not only engaging our base, we're -- we're engaging our independent voters here in arizona and we are welcoming without compromising our values of the republicans. >> yeah. tim, it i want to ask you about voter suppression, because in arizona specifically, more than

80% of voters in arizona vote early mail or in person yet the gop is moving forward with an election in-person only voting law. this is something that's happening all across the country. again this, pre-dates trump. voter suppression has always been a tool of the republican party. curious your thoughts of how have people can navigate that. is there something that never trumpers can do to help alleviate some of this voter suppression because a lot of it comes out of the state legislature and especially with partisan poll watchers and gun laws, we could see a lot of uncomfortable and potentially violent situations this mid-term cycle? >> look, i'll defer to my counterpart on how to navigate it this cycle. doug doocy is the governor and a lot of these laws are looking tout 2024. >> yeah. >> it's true if the republicans have the state legislature, if kari lake is the governor and mark finchum is the secretary of state, there will be radical voter suppression laws unlike we

haven't seen anywhere else in the country in arizona going ahead in 2024 and they will also change the rules about counting the ballots to make it easier for the legislature to override ballots that they don't deem credible which is obviously going to be democratic ballots, ballots from people in marginalized communities. that's a big threat in 2024. that's why people have to turn out in 2022 while there is rather lenient early voting rules in the state. >> yeah. that's such a good point. you know this very well, tim, that a lot of people try not to -- they use terms that this is an off year. there is no off year in elections this. happens every time at the federal, state and local levels. thank you both for being here, rakell teran and tim, happy to share the screen with you. still ahead, a judge blocks enforcement of michigan's abortion ban as lawmakers try to make sense of the new post roe landscape. we're going to be right back right after this break. ♪♪ landscape. we're going to be

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geography based on where one can and cannot receive care. in this new landscape it's just as harrowing as we knew it would be. the consequences swift and brutal. get this. a woman undergoing a miscarriage, she was sent home from the hospital and instructed to return when blood filled a diaper more than once an hour. rape survivors including children forced to give birth while in florida where apparently logic goes to die a court denied a teenager an abortion ruling she was not mature enough to determine whether to terminate her pregnancy. this is a nightmare. joining me now is kell robinson, the executive director of the planned parenthood action fund and i'm very happy to have you here, kelly. these stories are absolutely horrific and gut-wrenching to hear. there's another story out there. a woman in louisiana who is pregnant. her pregnancy, she was diagnosed because essentially she has to go through a pregnancy that her baby was diagnosed with something that's not curable,

not survivable so she's going to go through a pregnancy to give birth to a stillborn. i don't know how we protect abortion rights in this country and it seems the only way is the judiciary. they seem to be the last line of defense. >> this is a horrific situation we're in right now. we hear horrifying stories of people being denied access to care, having to travel hundreds of miles or being forced to carry their pregnancies to term. at the end of the day this is bigger than any single stay. their goal has been to sow chaos and confusion and deny access to abortion care. i do want to make it clear, that in michigan, for every michigander abortion is still legal and safe in michigan but as you said we still have work to do to absolutely ensure that we do all that we can in every way we can to ensure access. the courts is one way. the will of the people is here, and there is something that we can do about it. >> speaking of 2022, planned parenthood has raised a whopping

$50 million to defeat these types of anti-choice candidates and policies. we'll see what impact that has. i do wonder do you think we'll ever see roe reinstated? >> look, it's on the ballot this year. who wins the mid-term elections could quite possibly determine what states have access to abortion and whether or not national politicians have the votes to realize their ultimate goal of a nationwide abortion ban or if actually we get enough power this november to fortify more rights for abortion access, more gender equality than roe ever provided. roe was the floor, not the ceiling for care. even with roe in place hundreds and hundreds of anti-abortion restriction moved through the states every single year so there is so much at stake this november, and the reality is that if we vote as the majority that we are, the 80% majority that we are, we can gain enough power in congress and state to

change the nature of health care access in this country. >> you know, there was a report out from "usa today" talking about a rural maternal health care crisis, women intentionally trying to have babies, and they have a challenge getting quality health care. interesting because you would think if someone was so, quote, unquote, pro-life as they like to call themselves, they would focus on that and focus on caring for women who don't have access to affordable care and not this. for the women who are in these situations like the woman who has to carry a child to term who knows will be a stillborn, the young girl in florida, the rape survivors. what recourse, if any, do these women have? what advice is planned parenthood giving women who are facing these dire situations? >> well, i want to say this. the opposition is clear. this is not about people. this is about power. there are 16 states that have already banned abortion acserbs and i have to say those states are at the bottom to of the list when it comes to supporting mothers, families and birthing

people. they are at the bottom. list when it comes to maternal health care, when it comes to infant mortality, child poverty. it's clearly not about people, so the things that we can do are, one, get all the information that we can to make sure that folks in our communities know how to access care. can you go visit websites like abortionfinder.org to get the health care that you need and find out how to get access. i'm also encouraging folks if you're listening now to giving to abortion funds. there's so much that we can do to make sure that people get access to care and we get care to people in all the ways that we can, even in this devastating moment. >> well, that's very helpful information and planned parenthood's kelly robinson, thanks for being here and offering some sort of light and information to people who may be facing those incredibly dire circumstance. thanks so much. who won the week is still ahead, but first hear what liz chain he to say about republican house leader kevin mccarthy and it's not really what you would

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constitution and demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the significance and the importance of the role of speaker, so i don't believe he should be speaker of the house. >> all right. liz cheney speaking truth about wannabe speaker kevin mccarthy saying he's unfit to lead republicans if they regain control of the house of representatives. now senate republican leader mitch mcconnell on the other hand said the other part out loud acknowledging that his party could fail to win control of the senate due to candidate quality. hmm. wonder why. he has a good reason to be concerned. even though it's still early, a slew of polls this week showed democrats leading in key states. new fox news polls show that in arizona incumbent democrat mark kelly is up over republican-backed blake masters and mandela barnes has a four-point lead over incumbent ron johnson who is officially a trump acolyte at this point and meanwhile in florida, university of north florida poll shows this week that democrat val demings

is leading incumbent marco rubio by four. another trump acolyte and there's currently no black women in the senate. the hits just keep on coming for the republicans in the year they thought would benefit them. "politico" declared the senate a tossup and moved the race between john fetterman and mehmet oz leaning democratic and in pennsylvania, the outlook is so bad according to "rolling stone" even the former president thinks that dr. oz will f'ing lose. we might f'ing lose this if that doesn't happen. joining me is tank, woodbury a democratic pollster and the host of the dean obeidallah show and rp my longtime pal. happy to see you. let's start out, there's really interesting races that i want to start with, terrance. i do want to start with wisconsin and mandela barnes and ron johnson.

ron johnson has a slew of ridiculous statements and he's a trump acolyte. barnes is very bright, very smart, a young candidate. he lieutenant governor with governor experience. this will be a very interesting race to watch. what are you hearing? >> thank you so much for having me, tiffany. mandela is a client. candidates like mandela barnes represent the diversity and the -- and the enthusiasm in the party and frankly is overperforming joe biden and generic democrats in wisconsin, a candidate with executive experience as lieutenant governor and with legislative experience. they are really demonstrating that millenials need diverse

voices in the senate. millenials now the biggest voting block in america representing only 30% of the u.s. senate and so i think mandela -- candidates like mandela are really demonstrating what can happen when we put forth a diverse -- a robust and diverse slate of candidates. >> yeah. well, we're watching, and, dean, terrance made really good points there are wisconsin and even though politics are local, there's still a national narrative to this race as control for the senate is up for grabs, tossup according to the cook political report. but the administration had a pretty good week. they had some accomplishments this week. i want you to take a listen to ron klain and then we'll talk about messaging on the other side. >> we have a presidency where the president has delivered the largest economic recovery plan since roosevelt development, largest infrastructure plan sinceines hour, the most judges confirmed since kennedy. the second largest health care bill since johnson and the largest climate change bill in history.

>> dean, how do you feel about the messaging coming out of the white house? again, it's good that they are touting some of their successes. >> right. >> who are they touting these messages to, do you think? >> democrats and messaging don't usually go well together. like it sort of happens organically that they find it. here's the truth. i think talking about the accomplishments are great. this week they signed into the inflation reduction act that will help my mother capping prescription drug prices. this will help my senior mom and talking about where we are in unemployment 3.5%. tying the low nest 50 years. that's because of the covid relief plan. the gop extremism, you've been talking about that. that's got to be part of the democratic message. look what we're seeing. they are literally academically embracing fascism as a party and i mean that in terms of what that means academically. using thing a significance or

retention of political party by threats of violence or violence. there's a cbs poll recently nearly 60% of republicans, nearly 60, don't view january 6th at terrorism. they view it as an act defending freedom. you've got donald trump the leading of the republican party imposing their religious beliefs to oppress women. the taliban should sue them for trademark infringement and you've got the banning of books and the list goes on and on. democrats, talk about your accomplishments, they are real but amplify the gop extremism. it's very real and right in our face. it's frightening. >> dean makes a good point there, terrance. when you think about the idea and the consthaept kevin mccarthy who have completely lost his spine, completely given in to trump, despite their little exchange around january 6th where he actually said to him allegedly, reportedly, who the eff do you think you're talking about and trump told him maybe people care more about the election than you do. all that went out the window.

they are all bowing down to this maga king so i wonder what messaging that people need to put out there, terrance, to warn voters of this is what a dystopian america will look like if, one, you don't participate or, two, if you vote -- you >> absolutely, tiffany. i think dina's right. you have to do both. we have to take credit for the progress that has been made, but we also have to demonstrate that the threat that republic -- the existential threat that republicans face, this is why we have been promoted this message of unfinished business. that democratic voters have unfinished business in 2020. because while we may have made progress on a democratic agenda, while we've made progress on a progressive priorities, we have unfinished business fulfilling many of those promises. and similarly, while we may have defeated trump in 2020, we

obviously have unfinished business to fend off trumpism. we have to do both. but we have to be careful, of as i was listening to ron klein, as we take credit for the progress that has been made, that we don't seem to be -- a mission accomplished flag here, that we acknowledge that people are still in pain, and while we are making progress, there is still a lot of work to do. so we do have to acknowledge the fact that donald trump appears to be leading a crime syndicate and that the chaos, the disorienting chaos, of the trump administration is not what we want to bring back. but i think he is doing us a favor here and the best thing we could -- worst thing we can do is put trump back on the ballot in 2022. >> you know, i think it's such a good point about the younger voters that you were talking about, the space that

millennials take a. but we cannot forget the gen z voters, a lot of them are legible to vote this year. zain, you know that the races are often won on the margins. but we see timing again, so many communities are not being contacted by political parties. the pei community, there's a recently released study that -- we've seen the latino community should back and forth, again, many have not been contacted by a political party. what do you think that it will take for both these parties to realize that the rising majority will soon become the people to determine how this government ashamed? >> i think the republicans will never notice that and continue to play to the base that they know because it's shrinking. but on my side -- on my radio show, we talk about that. sometimes, they are reaching, out other times, it's not. and they have to go where the people are. they have to go to the community, and not just run election time. because that is the biggest slam i hear from different minority communities.

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all the trump foolishness is like trying to cut trying to catch company this week. read the, end which means that it's time to play. who won the week! back with terrence and dean of, delaware where overtime guys. how quickly could me who won the week? >> i'm gonna say democratic candidates want. week i know there's an impulse to say joe biden won the week. unfortunately, his approval rating has not reflected that. but as long as republican candidates have been forced to defend donald trump, democratic candidates now have proof points and i.r.a. that they have in making a difference in peoples lives. they won the week this week. >> all right, i think that's a fair one. dean, what do you got? >> if it wasn't political, i would pick you, tiffany, for doing a great job hosting this week. but, from the political world, it's john fetterman, another democratic candidate, in

pennsylvania. it's his first week out on the campaign trail after having a stroke, and he -- horrific ad, where doctor oz complain that he and his wife couldn't make a crudités, which crudités, if you are the president of the country club or the hamptons is what you do. the rest of us call it a veggie platter. and doctor oz was crushed for that. he's just -- it's not working. losing. >> i agree. well i'm gonna be very quick. the nba won the week because they announced they would not hold games on november 8th to encourage people to vote, and they did such a better job than the nfl when it gets to civic engagement. you remember in 2020, they were converting a member of their arenas to voting locations. so congrats to the nda and to the folks over there, especially lebron james. we got through it. that is tonight's read out. joy, richie is back on monday, i've been seeing all your tweets. she will be back in this air on monday. and be sure to join me tomorrow morning on the cross connection,

we will have more on trump's many legal woes. plus, the other republican candidates following in his footsteps. trumpism is on the ballot this november. even if trump isn't. we will talk about that. plus, if you are a parent, you absolutely know we are heading into the new school year with the cheaters shortage, we will take a look at the some of the reasons. why and we will talk to the director of an emmy nominated documentary, county west, it's called genius. it's got a really making amazing film. we will have the filmmakers with. me it's like yay the way you've never seen him before. i will see you tomorrow morning at 10 am on the cross connection. thank you for bearing with me this because i fill in for joy. and all in with chris hayes starts now. and >> tonight on all in -- >> if you look at the espionage act, it's not really about taking the documents, it's about destroying. >> new admissions, new excuses, and threatening new language from trump lawyers. >> i think the department was surprised at how angry