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at the end of that horror movie of his. house of cards. when the killer tells his wife, the best way to succeed is to write what you know! i'm craig melvin,. >> and i'm natalie morales. >> and this is dateline! >> what did you hear? >> laughing. some screaming. >> you heard screaming? >> i've known these kids their whole life. i don't believe for a minute that they made any of that up. >> like screaming noises or something else? >> like laughing screaming. >> they believe that their father kill their mother. >> they found her in the bedroom, the young mom stabbed to death. >> i could see her fighting, fighting for her life. >> i was so distraught, she was
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gone. >> she was your wife and mother of your children. >> it's awful, i wouldn't wish that on anybody. >> her ex went to visit the day she died. the trip with the kids. and just like that, he was suspect number one. >> they had no evidence. i >> was absolutely flabbergasted. >> how could anyone think this? >> police said that they were the key to the mystery. his own young children. >> she said she speaks through the mail slot. >> she looks the way yes. >> that he wasn't in the living room, he was upstairs. >> they were playing. >> we're gonna prove that he's incident sent. >> two children on the stand, whether they see? >> that was the hardest thing. because i love them so much. i did not do this. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hello and welcome to dateline. there should be nothing more innocent than seeing the world through the eyes of a child.
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but in this story that may not have been the case. detectives believe that a six year old girl and her seven year old brother witness the unthinkable. the brutal murder of their mother. the case will be built around what those kids observed, but it wouldn't be so simple. this crime was as brazen as it was mystifying. here is dennis murphy with what they saw! >> you got it? >> i think you're good to go. >> thanks for sitting down with. us >> you're welcome thanks for having me. >> did you take a bunker knife and plunged into her neck and kill her? while your kids were waiting outside? >> now. >> that did not happen? >> absolutely. not >> credibility. the reliability of years old memories. there is a lot of that ahead because this is the story of a murder. june 8th, 2012. columbus georgia. it was an apartment maintenance man who found her.
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she had been stabbed to death in the bedroom. in the kitchen sink? a butcher knife. the victim was ciara ingram. her good friend, kendra smith, said she had not been answering your phone for days. >> at first i thought, you know, why did i not go down there? i knew something was wrong. >> police would later estimate that she had been dead in her apartment for nearly a week. >> i think i was, i think i was so distraught. that she was gone. then i don't really think that at the time, i put a lot of thought into who did it. or why. >> apartment managers told the arriving officers that she had small children, so one of the detectives first questions were where are the kids now? and that led to a bigger question. one all homicide inspectors ask. what's the back story here? what is the victims life all about? they began piecing together the story of ciara ands jarod
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ingram. >> she was the wife and mother of your children? what do you think of her? and the brutality of it? >> it's awful. i don't wish that on anybody. >> sierra, already the mother of a young boy, met jarod ingram when they both in the seat in the army in the early 2000s. he and a friend cozied up to the pretty recruit and tried to get her attention. >> we tried to talk about none of the soldiers getting off the bus we're gonna make. it and she stood up, she challenge. me and said i'm gonna get to the top of the glass. and i said okay, and asked her if she wanted to go out that weekend. >> and you had a momentous early date. is that too much of a question? you know what i'm referring to? >> i do. our first date we. >> conceived a child? >> yes. >> and you are okay with that? >> yes. i was okay. i was excited. i always wanted to be a father. >> sierra and jarod ingram. intimate strangers. deciding to make a goal that when they were put to a
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decision, get married, or b station apart. >> we got in the cab to go and get our marriage license. the cabdriver mentioned that she was also a licensed pastor. she drove us to her, church she drove us to the. steps >> you got married by cabdriver? >> yep. one shot. >> the army does move them about, but they tried to build and happy home. had another child. but jarred acknowledge that they weren't good living together. >> once we got married we actually had our first argument. >> on the attend scale how active an argument was it? >> a good eight. but it set the tone for the rest of the relationship. it was every. night >> why don't you guys just take hands and say see you later? >> the kid slip mainly. >> they decided that co-parenting was the arrangement that works best for them. they divorce in 2009, and shared custody. by then, they both mid-the military. sierra had become a nurse. her friend, and coworker at the
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hospital said the main thing keeping her in georgia was being near her ex. >> she did not want the children to be without the father. she tried her best to call parent. and you understand, she didn't have anybody. >> so she sacrificed her short term happiness for the kids? >> right. for her children. that was the type of mother she was. >> her friend lived in tennessee, but they were as close as they could be. >> when did you? top start of the day? middle? today >> all day. we were single moms. dealing with our axes. she was my support system. and hopefully she thought of me as hers. >> by june, 2012. sierra decided that it was time for a fresh start. she made the plan to move home to indiana to be near her family. their kids, ages six and seven, would stay with jarod for the summer and join her later. >> which he dating anyone? >> yes. absolutely. she was young, so she did not want to be alone. >> in fact, even before the
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move to indiana, she had already met a guy online who had lived there. he was gonna help remove. >> he was going to come down to georgia. he had made plants, bought a plane ticket. >> and that brings us back to sierra's apartment in the bloody bedroom. has her moving they approached, kendra notice her daily text and phone calls had stopped completely. >> i didn't doctor on the second, so on the third i message her and got nothing. so i was like, okay she's busy. called her again on the fourth. started to get worried summer. >> worried? is she ditching me here? >> i thought. okay. she dropped her phone in the toilet. but then you think about, okay, well there's other phones in the world. or send me an email, i'm not ignoring you. >> snell was worried to, she helped plan a goodbye party for her at the hospital. but sierra never showed up. >> i remember sitting at the table with all the coworkers, looking at each other. >> and you fully expected she was gonna walk in the door?
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>> i wanted her to. but i knew something was wrong. >> she was at work and june 8th when sierra's brother colin with the news. >> i answered the phone, and he told me we just found ciara dead. i don't remember anything else after that. >> jarod said he got a call as well. there was crime scene tape at his ex-wife's apartment. the coroner was there to. he said he feared the worst. and went to go talk to the children just six or seven years old. >> we said a prayer. i said no matter what happens, i love you very much. i didn't tell them any details. but i told them, something might be going on with mommy. we don't know yet. asked him if they had any questions. >> did they? >> yes. my son asked me if he should have some candy. >> did you know is what mom was dead? >> i didn't know. he didn't. now at this point we only had assumptions,, worries fares. >> assumptions, worries, fears. and that was just a one. >> the investigation begins,
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and her ex husband is the first person in the hot seat. >> coming out! >> i see an officer approaching me with the gun drawn. and he races. up and said don't move. >> police have some questions for jarred. >> you are the last one alive to see her. and there is something that you want to talk to me about? >> and for the man that she had met online. >> this is sergeant ethan with a police department in georgia. >> what's going? on oh my god. on oh my god. and noticeably less itch. with dupixent, you can change how their skin looks and feels. and that's the kind of change you notice.
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times in the neck and left to die at the foot of her bed. her ex husband, was tending to the two children when the police officer reached him on the phone. >> he asked me if the kids were okay. i said yes they're fine. he said that you have a chance to talk to me, and sending a counselor to talk to the kids. >> moments later jarred somewhat he assumed was that counselor in the front yard. >> as i looked, i saw in my for a peripheral vision an officer approach me with a gun drawn. and he said don't move. he pushed me against the wall, put my hands behind my back, and company. >> before he got his bearings, he said his kids were with off in an suv. >> the sheriff okayed a search of his home, and he was whisked
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to the police station for an interview. the conversation started amicably. jarod ingram said the last time he saw ciara was a couple of days before. he was picking up some stuff before her movie indiana. >> kids when, in and they started playing. and watching tv. >> how long were you there for? >> seemed like a couple of hours. >> he said they had not talk sense. >> that wasn't unusual, we didn't call each other a whole lot when we have the kids. she wasn't one person the cuddle every day. >> detectives wanted to know about the state of their relationship. how they were getting along? he said they hadn't had any issues lately, but admitted things between them were strained. >> what's been the problem? >> no problem. i just --. once we broke up. i felt like there was no reason to have an argument anymore.
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>> they also asked him how he felt about his decision to move to indiana. >> she didn't really ask me about it? >> did she ask? you >> know. >> so she just said i'm leaving? >> yeah. that is her. >> after about an hour, the interview took a turn and the detectives hit him with a revelation. as far as they could tell, no one had heard from her since the visit with the kids. meaning, he was quite possibly the last one unknown to see her alive. >> i feel like you're more than insinuating that i'm responsible for her death. >> i don't know, right now i don't. the only thing i know is that you are the last one that i know to see her. and so far, you're the last one i know that was there. now is there something that you want to talk to me about? >> no. >> are you sure about? that >> i'm sure. >> the detective told jarod that as they were speaking, officers were spool-ing through the video cameras at her
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apartment complex. >> why do you feel in right now? >> i'm feeling like i can't wait until you get finished to the rest of that videotape. >> yes. >> and i'm feeling scared, until you do. that's what i'm feeling right now. >> now why would you be scared? >> because if i was the last one that saw her alive, then you could put it on me. >> well i'm not gonna put something on anybody. i'm gonna take the evidence for what it's worth. >> and a look at some of the evidence made it seem unlikely that jarod could've done it. >> the murder was brutal, bloody. and his two small children had been with him the whole time. though jarod did mention that is they were going to leave the apartment, the kids went outside first. >> they went outside, and i came outside, and she came outside. and that was it. it wasn't a long period of time. >> the detectives really think that jarod had something to do
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with his ex wife's murder? or where they just pressing him because he was the ex-husband? they entered the interview on friendly terms. >> i appreciate you coming in. and >> i appreciate you guys are doing. >> it has been a very long night. jarod says he was just desperate to hug his kids who had lost their mother. >> you could see why you became a figure of interest here? >> when i sit back and put my shoes and the shoes of the police officers. absolutely. they showed up to the, house they found a body, they picked me up. >> back at the crime scene, investigators look for clues for the story. could it have been a botched robbery? it was hard to tell if anything had been taken, the pop of department had been in disarray with moving boxes. had there been no signs of forced entry? but there was an attempt to clean up the scene with bleach. and they did find a man swatch tucked into the sheets of sierra's bed. who cut that belong to? what about the man she let online. the one flying intel remove.
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>> this is sergeant from the -- >> his name was right morgan. detective got him on the line. >> were you supposed to come down here to help her move? >> yes i was. and then, about a week before, they, she quit texting me. >> ryan thought he had been ghosted. said that he canceled his plane ticket. >> and i just extra back, i said hey thanks a lot for the top thoughtfulness. and thanks for wasting my money. >> detectives didn't tell them right away why they called. >> what's going? on if you don't mind i'm asking because i'm freaking. like what happened? >> she was killed. the reason you didn't kill anything from her wish she was murdered. >> you have to be -- me. >> no. >> holy! >> was that genuine surprise? >> oh my god. >> of course they would have to check out his story. and picked through every detail of the last day of her life. that meant talking to her children. whether they see? whether they're here?
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in a tense interview, police questioned jarod ingram about the vicious murder of his ex-wife. he insisted he was innocent, but new being the last person to see her alive did not look good for him. as had her friend would come forward with alarm-y secrets of what she said was really happening in the relationship. once again, here is dennis murphy with what they saw! ♪ ♪ ♪ kendra thought she found a kindred spirit when she met sierra. losing her was awful. >> i would get into my car and kawhi because i talked to her every day on my way to work. on every day on my way home. >> and he -- felt hollowed out when she heard. her good, friend fellow nurse gone just like that. >> you are gonna be friends for life for no matter what? >> absolutely.
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>> we were family. >> the day after she got the news, similar drove to sierra's home and she just had to see the place with her own eyes. >> you went to the scene? >> i went to the scene because i did not want to believe she was gone. >> so everything is taped, and closed off right? >> i was in denial. that my friend was gone. >> she spoke to an officer who is there guarding the crime scene. >> what did you talk to about then? >> anything that i could remember that she would tell me. which he was going through. >> and what's sumilla said about the conversations with sierra caught the officers ear. because it did not match jarod story. the post relationship was more than just a strain. sumilla said ciara long confided in her that it was tumultuous. >> she would tell me that he would break or computers, break tvs. >> like i got to. back here is a break in the computer? >> yeah.
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>> jarred would lash out whenever he wouldn't get his name. >> did it ever get physical as far as you know? >> she told me that. yes >> but you didn't see any bruising or scratching? >> yeah she did. but she would hide it. she is the type that would want to be strong. not of setter worried about her. >> as for jarod, he said that any stories abusive in his relationship was not true. >> where there any altercations the relationship between you and her? >> she threw some things. small things. like a remote control. >> jarod told us that anyone who knew her well knew that she would not put up with abuse. >> she was a very fierce woman, she had her way. she's not gonna let you tell you and different. and she's very determined. i could not see her being in an abusive relationship. >> of course, he says, they had plenty of scorching really to -- any says that they shared responsibility for the kids. >> co-parenting. and very successfully. i think the biggest issue that
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we ever had was when she cut my sons hair. i did not really like that. he had big, puffy afro and he was really keen on it. and i liked it. >> but given what rapids investigators now heard. they were now very focused on jarod. did he have any opportunity to murder his acts? what with the kids and foul. >> jared said that he put the kids in the car and went back into her place to get the last of the theme. two kids sitting in the back of a car, a boy and a girl named six and seven. whether they see, whether they here in the next few moments of their lives? and importantly, what would they say about it? >> the police talk to the children the day that they discovered her body. >> what's the greater un? >> kindergarten. >> the kids confirmed that in some period of time, mommy that were in the apartment without them. >> why would they leave you in the car? >> you don't know? >> he never leaves us in the
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car. >> here they are talking to a forensic interview or a few days later. >> why do you think that he made to stay in the car? >> maybe he's doing something? >> the six-year-old daughter says she got restless, and do what's six years old to. she said she got out of the car, looked at the door. looked into the mail. slot and peered inside. she told investigators that she saw her dad. >> what was he doing? >> i forgot. >> i mean, was he standing? was he sitting? was he? >> he was standing. >> does he just stand into nothing? did he have something in the sand? >> no. he was just in there doing nothing. >> she says he told her to go back to the car. but she says she picked him again. investigators were interested in what she saw. and when she said she heard. >> mommy was still laughing. but she sounded like she was somewhere.
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that he wasn't in. that he was not in the living room. he was still upstairs. mom was still laughing, though. >> her brother says that he got out of the car to. and he also heard the laughter. or was it something else? >> what did you hear? >> laughing. some, almost screaming. but >> you heard screaming? >> yeah. >> tell me, did you hear, or where you just saying, screaming noises. or something else? >> like laughing screaming. >> screaming? what's in the world was going on inside her home while the children waited outside? >> coming up! >> if you are asking, did i think he did it? it was an absolute no. >> a new relationship for jarod, and new questions about those interviews with the children. >> those statements that come out later are, in my opinion,
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here's what's happening! abortion is still legal in michigan. a county judge ruled the states 91 year abortion ban cannot be enforced as the courts consider. -- governor gretchen wants to overturn it completely. senator lindsey graham wants to escape testifying before a georgia jury's been denied. he was subpoenaed as part of the investigation into possible 2020 investigation interference by former president trump. now back to dateline! ck to dateline welcome back to dateline, i'm natalie morales. in a taped interview, ciara ingram young son said he heard his mother both lapping and screaming inside the home on
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the day that she was murdered. police were looking into the sierra's ex husband, jarod. now a team of supporters were about to rally to his defense. taking their own look at what the kids told detectives. continuing with what they saw, here's dennis murphy! >> in the weeks following serious murder, investigators compiled evidence. there were those police interviews with the children, and they had her cell records. showing her phone went silent around the time that jarred was not the apartment. there wasn't a single phone call or text after 6:39 pm on june 2nd. and the only with of weed. that guy from indiana who was gonna help her move. >> she was murdered? >> well, his alibi checked out. and that left one person. jarod. so on july 1st, after her murder. >> i was leaving to go to work, they started getting out of their cars. put their hands like this. saying, don't move you're under
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arrest. >> he was charged with murder, spent the next 15 months in jail, before posting bond and being released. by then, he had lost custody of his son and daughter. they had moved to indiana to be with her mom. >> are the kids taking your phone calls? because i'm sure you're trying to reach them. >> at this point, the point of my bond agreement is that i cannot speak with anybody and ciara family. including my children. >> so? >> so that's a moment and life that you can have. >> yes. >> he said he started attending church, and reaching out to old friends. like katie. a girl that she knew from high school. >> i also it's had a thing for him, even in high school. but it was just not good timing. it never was. >> this wasn't exactly great timing either. after all, he was accused of murdering his ex-wife. >> what did you think? >> if you're asking. do i think he did it? it was an absolute no. why would they even think? this and how could it possibly have come to this? >> and you're saying that
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because of the guy you? know the character of the man? >> yeah. the character. how could it possibly, anybody think this? >> their relationship grew from a friendship, into something more. >> how did you decide you go and get married? >> we started talking about it and. it was a lot of back and forth. because, with something like this hanging over your head. do you wait till everything is over and then get married? it doesn't sound sensible. >> katie disagreed. >> i basically told him, i'm ready. i'll marry you. >> they began their married life together in limbo. waiting for jarred to go on trial. he still had not been indicted. what was taking so long? jarod and katie kept their anguish quiet. >> a lot of people in the church another story today? >> no. >> then, january 2017, more than four years after the murder. the indictment came. down a trial date was set. no more secrets now. >> what did you think when you heard? >> in my mind, initially, it
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was that it was impossible. >> debbie is katy's mom. laura and jim are church friends. >> did you really think this man man's a killer? >> no. >> debbie? >> not for a second. for very notion of considering him capable of this is beyond my belief. there's simply no way i can apply my brain to that. >> the support wasn't just moral. the church friends often to help anywhere they could. >> we had two or three people come up and say, what can we do? unlike wealth hurry. but one of them said, come on, there's something we can do. what about all the paperwork? couldn't we use help with that? >> i was like that would be wonderful. >> that paperwork was the case against jarod. miles of documents, police reports, audio and video recordings. and to mount a defense, they would need to understand it. >> my lawyer was very good, but he has a small practice. him and his wife. so as far as legwork, there is
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not 100 paralegals going around to do legal research for him. >> jarod and katy transform their kitchen into a war room. and those church friends became a legal assistance of course. they vowed to be objective. >> i was a true believer in his character. okay? >> but if the evidence persuaded you ever wise? >> i would've gone with the evidence. >> they just give it up the work. jill, a software with, took a crack at the cell phone records. >> and it took me some study to figure this out but, it came down to numbers. simple math. >> according to the cell records, sierra was alive and on her phone at 6:39 pm. three minutes later, at 6:42 pm, his cell records indicate that he is still at the apartment. and 26 minutes after that, his phone pigs of a tower that they estimated is a 15 to 20 minute drive away from her apartment. >> there is not enough time for
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him to have committed the crime. >> the telephone persuades it to be. >> the map doesn't, work it just doesn't work. >> then jarred supporters looked at the bloody crime scene photos. which raise more questions in their minds. >> how do you walk out of an apartment without completely showering, changing your clothes. and doing all that? that would add even more time? >> tiktok. tiktok. you have to get to that other tower. >> absolutely. >> he was awake, he did not change clothes. none of his clothes wherever found with any evidence on them. >> the friends then turn to those interviews with the kids. and they transcribed every word. including the interview where jarred sun said that he heard screaming. >> what did you hear? >> laughing. some, almost screaming. >> you heard screaming? >> yes. >> they notice the interview took place five days after her body was found. but in the police file, the friends found an earlier interview. the suns sorry about what he
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heard on that occasion was completely different. here's that interview. >> did you hear anything when daddy was inside? >> i didn't hear nothing. >> jarred supporters wondered where the son could've gotten the idea of screaming. the first time it comes up on the tapes, is in a question from police at just hours after they found her body. >> was mama screaming? or daddy screaming and hollering? >> there is absolutely nothing incriminating about the initial testimonies. >> those statements that come out later are, in my opinion, conditioning. >> what do you mean? >> i mean the police are suggesting something for the children to say. and if you suggest something to a child of that age, who is impressionable, it is possible that they may say i guess it could've been that. >> there was something else laura picked up on. >> i could hear, it's one of the investigators whispering under their breath. trying to tell the children to see something on the recorded interviews. >> you remember that?
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say yes. i mean do you remember that. >> was the officer putting words in his mouth? hard to say. but the children would speak about that there again. this time in courts, where they would be the chief witness is against their father. >> coming up! >> what is the little girls see? she >> sees her father, standing. he is changing his shirt. and he has a white bottle beside him. >> two young witnesses with powerful stories to tell. >> where those children coach to give details of the story? >> never. >> when dateline continues! teline continues if you can help heal your skin from within? dupixent helps keep you one step ahead of eczema with clearer skin and less itch. hide my skin? not me. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes, including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. ask your doctor about dupixent.
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six years after ciara ingram was brutally murdered, jarod ingram entered a muskoka county courtroom to stand as the accused. >> but he was not alone. >> you he was -- >> was there a point that you show solidarity that you had a lot of people? >> we thought so. we invited everybody to come. and just let the jury see how much he is loved. and how much support and love that he has sitting behind him. >> but skokie county district attorney hopes the jury would be persuaded not by his supporters but rather by the cold hard facts of the case. >> is it your belief that jarod murdered his ex wife ciara? while the kids were waiting in the car?
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>> and the motivation for this was wet? >> he did not want her to move to indiana it will do everything to prevent that. >> the prosecutor called friends like sumilla who testified that sierra told her numerous times that jarred was threatening and violent. >> was that hard for you? >> no because i wanted justice for her. it had been too long, so i had to do my part. >> to -- >> know i couldn't look at him. i was too disgusted. i hate him. i hate to say but i do. and, i just did not look. >> the prosecution said that jarod had another motive. four to the tune of $13,000 and back child support payments. the positive q shun also argued that the prosecution pointed at jarod. they found his fingerprints on her cell phone. the one last news about the same time that jarod placed him
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at her apartment. >> so did he have enough time to do this? >> yes. he had enough time. we know that his phone was at the apartment, at the time herds have gone silent. he knew where the bleach was. the cleanup that he had to do. >> we're not talking about extensive cleanup right? >> no he did. not throwing bleach around the apartment. trying to cleaner up a little bit. >> he had steadily maintained that he had not killed her. but the prosecution found someone that said that he told her him a different story. >> he told me about how he killed his wife. about how he did it. >> a confession. he testified that jarrett confided in him when they shared a cell. they detained jarred's words in this police recording. >> and he said he just snapped, it was something like that. >> this witness was able to give details, this particular person who was in jail at the time of the murder.
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anyway that he would have known this information unless he received it from someone who knew it. >> but the star witnesses of the prosecution whether his own children. >> you hadn't seen them in some time. >> that's correct. >> do they look the same? >> no. >> were you making eye contact? send the many messages? >> i'm looking at them. they're not making any eye contact with me. i did mouth, i love you. that was about all i thought i could get away with. >> the children, then 12 and 13 years old, told the jury with clear i detail what happened that last day they saw their mother alive. and the details were more damning than ever. that's when jarred's daughter testified about picking through that nail slot. >> what did the little girl sly? >> she sees her father standing, he is changing his shirt. and he has a white bottle beside him on the floor that she doesn't know, she doesn't know what it is. but a white bottle beside him. >> a white bottle? bleach. a change of clothes. those sounded like new
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elements. >> where those children coach to give details of the story? >> never. >> was a different years later than and been at the beginning? >> they were more details later. and more things clarified. but the children were never coached. they were forensically interviewed, intentionally so there would be nothing put in their heads. and they were never coached on what to say at the stand. >> are you persuaded that that little girl saw her father changing his clothing during the cleanup? and that the little boy heard screams. heard is mother's day in declaration that it were? >> yes. so sad that they have to see and hear that. but yes that is what they saw and heard. >> but there was another version of what happened that day, and the jury was about to weigh the credibility of that storyteller. >> coming up! >> why did you take the stand? >> i've been waiting six years to be able to stand in front of a jury and judge and say i did not do this. >> who would the jury believe? the children? or their father? >> what if, this jury says you're guilty?
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was on trial for the wearer of his ex wife ciara. and the couples to children where the prosecution's star witnesses. on the stand, the recollections of that traumatic day included surprising new details. but jarod had a surprise of his
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own. a risky move that he believed would prove his innocence. with the conclusion of what they saw, here's dennis murphy. >> 12 jurors, sitting in judgment of jarod ingram. so back to where we began. >> did you take a butter knife and plunged into her neck and kill her? >> no. >> while the kids were outside? >> absolutely. not >> poured bleach on? her >> now. >> that did not happen? >> no. >> that has been your story for the past how long? >> six years. >> it had been six years since the crime, six years of suspicion. but his attorney said it had taken investigators mere hours to come to a conclusion. >> when you get the messy cases, you get a lot of them. and there's almost an automatic that you go, and you go to the foam or spouse our current spouse and that is the man. we're gonna make it fit. >> and, the defense argued. there wasn't a shred of physical evidence linking him
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to the murder. no dna, no prints on the possible murder weapon. nothing. in that bloody scene in her apartment, all the prosecution pointed to us his fingerprints on her cell phone. >> he was over at the town house quite a bit. it would not have been uncommon for his fingerprints to be all over this place. >> jarod says sure he used her phone that day. >> i just remember my daughter handing me the phone. saying that it was her older brother in indiana, and they wanted to talk to me. >> and they weren't worried all all about the jailhouse snitch. >> he was totally not credible. as most snitches are not. because if you talk with any jurors, they do not believe them. i mean, you don't call somebody and talk about another crime unless you expect to get something out of it. >> they live right here. >> but what about the kids in their ever important stories? the defense questioned the new details. that changing his shirt. the white bottle of what
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could've been bleach. >> you're saying that the cops in the case or seeding the story? coaching the kids? >> i absolutely believe that they were asking leading questions that were leading them to conclusions that they did not have. >> his attorney was confident that the jurors would understand the facts if they heard from him directly. >> he was gonna make a good witness most particularly, because he was. there >> you took the stand. always risky. rarely advised. but you did it. >> there was no question. >> why? once you take the stand? >> i've been waiting six years to be able to stand up in front of a jury and a judge and say, i didn't do this. >> but it exposes you too aggressive cross examination by the prosecutor? >> it does. and that was rough. it seemed like he was doing everything in his power to get a rise out of me. >> provoke if so the jury can? >> exactly. show the jury the monster. >> he faced the prosecutor's questions for more than a dozen hours over three days. >> so this is a poor set of facts that have come together against you. you are the last knowing adult who has seen her.
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the kids are saying that they've heard screaming in the house. the father acting very suspiciously. bleach. everything seems to be consistent with you going in and telling her and doing a rough cleanup. and then coming out. >> absolutely not. if i had done a quick, rough clean up. there would've been something on me, or something in the car. the police had the car in their custody. combed it inch to an inch. they found no blood, they found no bleach. that is impossible. >> he denied that he had ever been violent where ciara. the defense pointing out that there had been not so much of the single report to the police. and no, child support was not a problem. they said they were working about it. and he had not been upset about his ex's report either. >> jarred is calm, cool, very intelligent. he is our evidence. >> the jury went out to deliberate. two days pass without a verdict. then, in an odd cork of the court calendar everyone took at
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the a week of. no decision. >> whatever this jury says your guilty? you know, i, we couldn't stop hugging. we are pretty much always like that. but there is, i guess, a little more emotion behind it. because what if. >> jarrett was charged with the commission of four felonies. including murder. >> what were you hoping for in the court? >> that they would find him guilty. a bloody that. it took less than two hours once the jury went back at it. >> you're watching the faces as they filed? when >> i am. very intently. and, nobody is given anything away. >> and then white? you hear the words? >> they start reading off the counts one of the time. and, it's just not guilty. not guilty. not guilty. >> jarod ingram not guilty of the murder of ciara ingram.
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>> i started crying. i have never in my life cried in happiness. never. and, that moment i cried in happiness. >> for her friends and family, the reaction was much different. >> i was surprised. and i think that my surprise came from the children's testimony. i don't believe for a minute that anybody coach them, into saying any of that. >> they told the jury what they saw and heard. >> yeah, absolutely believe that. >> and if you believe it, that means that he's guilty? >> right. >> do you think that he murdered her? >> i do. >> does she need justice? >> she does. i don't know how they're going to get it. >> but the prosecutor says that not guilty is not the same as innocent. >> i do think that he is the murderer, and we would not have tried him if we did not have confidence in that. >> jarod and katie said that
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they are thankful to the friends who quit him. they are now fighting for the custody of the children, who have been with the mother for six years. >> the frustration of still not being in contact with my children has been hard. >> is it better at this point given all the poison that you say has been put before them? poisoning their minds before you? it is a better just to let them be raised by their grandmother? and maybe later on in life that you can catch up with them. >> absolutely not. >> but they think you kill their mother. >> i don't think know if they think that or not. i think they've just been trained to hate and fear me. it would be better for them to hear this relationship as soon as possible. >> the children, what they saw. what they heard. what they remembered. sierra's friends say what's more important now is what they know about the woman lost on that day. >> if your kids start to forget her, the memory dims. what would you sit down and tell them about their mother? >> how much she loved them.
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she did. those kids wear everything to her. they were her world. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching! u for watching welcome to the show. i am zerlina maxwell. coming, up the south has nearly become a complete abortion desert. in the aftermath of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade. we'll talk about the real life consequences of that ruling. plus, concerns of a nuclear catastrophe are growing in ukraine. as one of the world's largest nuclear facilities is caught up in the crosshairs of the war. we will call where all of those stories and more throughout the course of this hour. but we begin with a surprise rolling out of west palm beach

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