all right, that is cross connection for today. thank you for watching at home. i will be back, not next week, jason is going to be filling in for me. stay tuned because the amazing alex witt has the latest. hello alex. >> what? okay fine, we will get over it, we will hang on for two weeks. can just say, listening to that whole kanye documentary thing, he is so polarizing but his genius cannot be ignored. i her goal digger to this day, i embarrass my children with the way i move, i'm singing. it is a great song.

best part though, listening to the ports by his mom. it completely makes you understand some things and the compassion that you expressed, i totally get that. it looks good. >> and you look good in that yellow today, alex. >> i'm bright sunny, here we go. thank you, have a good one. every good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with new developments in the mar-a-lago search. first, new alarm from the doj expressing concern about what could happen if surveillance video from the fbi is made public. a doj official says the department hopes caution and care would be used by anyone with access to that video. that comes as trump's team is planning to file a new legal challenge very soon. one of trump's attorneys now claiming his client's fourth

amendment rights were violated when the fbi searched his resort. >> this is going to be fourth amendment day. we are going to weigh in a very strong and very hard on behalf of the president, we are going to be attacking that search warrant. >> brand-new and the -- he thinks the mar-a-lago search will help him in 2024. some allies in his orbit aren't as sure, we're gonna break down the latest with a team of reporters and experts. the war in ukraine sparking new fears in europe this weekend. ukrainian officials sounding the alarm over a possible russian occupiers could be shutting down the region's largest nuclear plant to disconnect it from ukraine's electricity grid. we'll bring you a live report from ukraine. trump allied lindsey graham will have to testify tuesday before a georgia grand jury due to election interference. the federal judge denied the republican senators latest attempt to get out of testifying. he is however, still waiting on one more deal that could postpone his appearance. we have a panel of reporters

and analysts for you to break down all of the latest headlines. first, we are going to the big news headlines. stemming from the mar-a-lago search. off to julie tsirkin's, julie welcome, walk us through what is new on this. >> yeah alex, this is a little bit all of the place. stick with me here. the judge, the same one who authorized the search of trump, former president trump's mar-a-lago home in palm beach, said that he is actually inclined to steal parts of the affidavit. that is a lawsuit brought on by media companies including nbc news. overnight, lawyers for president trump or actually on fox news radio stating that there are getting ready to file their first motion in this case, the first major legal sort of step for trump's team. take a listen to what jim said overnight. >> we need a special master. that's a rare step when it comes to search warrants being executed, but this is something that we have to pursue. we have to get somebody in the middle because we're not going

to leave it to the doj to tell us that they're doing their filter search and that there are the guardians of what's privilege or not. >> this is a big step. he played another bite from him at the top saying that this is fourth and mineral-based. remember, that amendment protects americans from unauthorized or uncalled for searches of their homes. present trump certainly believing that that is the case, even posting on his social media platform calling it a quote, illegal break-in. meanwhile, you have the trump team also potentially releasing full surveillance video of the search. that of course putting fbi agents who were there in jeopardy. already heightened threats in the base since the search on august 8th. doj responding to that, you see part of the statement on your screen saying quote, we would hope that it would only be provided in a format that obscures the faces and identifying information of law enforcement personnel. saying that their motions can come in a matter of owls and at least by monday. alex? >> julie, thank you for that

great set up. let's bring in on the heels of that, mark caputo. a senior national reporter for nbc news digital. former fbi special agent. welcome to you both. mark, let's get to your brand-new article in which it is titled trump things that mar-a-lago search will help him in 2024. some allies aren't so sure. you are colleagues right, one close trump ally who hopes he'll run in 2024 said the former president doesn't seem to be aware of the perilous position he's in. saying, he may get closer to the prize but reality, he slipping. can you mark, give us a sense of how trump plans to use what has been a tumultuous couple of weeks to say the least. the people around him think he is a little delusional about this? >> let's be careful in trying to forecast what don trump is going to do. careful he's been pretty unpred, even until now. i'm not sure all this reporting about the surveillance video and this chatter inside trump world is right. some of that might be very wrong. we should be careful about that. as for what trump's mind state

is, and what he is telling other people, he is gloating about his poll numbers. he had ten percentage point increase over ron desantis before -- in a hypothetical 2024 presidential primary matchup. then there was a pool he had seen, and then the poll he'd seen as well in florida, central florida congressional republican primary. they also pull tested trump versus desantis before the mar-a-lago search. trump was essentially tied with desantis at 30 8:37 after the search. he was up 50 to 20 over at desantis. he is seeing an increase of republican support. meanwhile, he is raking in more money. and then his liz cheney got seriously defeated in wyoming. so, for trump he is kind of on cloud nine. yes, we talk to some people who were like, we are not sure that he realizes what is happening here. this is unprecedented, perhaps

the most precedent thing now is to say something about donald trump as unprecedented. if you think about it, in just two weeks he had his home search by the fbi, he had to plead the fifth more than 444 times in a civil investigation by new york state. his former cfo in his eponymous organization pleaded guilty to tax fraud charges in another case in new york. he is planning to give testimony there. and then he is in pretty perilous condition according to his own allies. when it comes to a georgia election interference case where he was called caught on tape asking the secretary of state, hey, find some extra votes so i can win. it certainly doesn't sound very good. trump apparently has an explanation for this but if this makes it in front of jurors, his voices on the tape and that is gonna be a hard case for him to defend. >> that makes sense. what about your present there in the courtroom on thursday, mark. the federal judge says he is inclined to unseal parts of mar-a-lago search affidavit,

orders the doj to submit that detracted version within a week. how is this going to play out over the next five days? is there any conventional wisdom behind when we might see that redacted affidavit? >> i don't know about the conventional wisdom on when we will see it. obviously, he has until thursday, judge is the one who approved the search warrant. he has read the affidavit, he said in court that he has his own opinions about what should be released and what should be released. he wants doj to do the work. so, the question is, what is doj going to do? generally, their pattern has been one of not giving the public lots of information. they are fighting the biden administration, they are fighting, i should say, over releasing a memo from the previous attorney general concerning the mueller investigation, something that two judges said should be released. it gives you an idea of doj. this is not an organization that only believes in transparency. we have that additional wrinkle as well. >> 100%.

tracey, as we keep in mind the doj didn't want the affidavit released in any form, can a majority have it redacted before it gets sent to the judge? how much of a national security concern is the actual affidavit? >> i think really what is going to be important about the affidavit is protecting sources, methods, and witnesses. i think those are the three things that are most important because we have to remember in the narrative that i'm seeing a lot with the republican senators, these fbi agents simply lied under oath in affidavit in order to get the search warrant. it is more than that, you don't just go and speak and hope that it is correct. you get this information that goes in the affidavit through a various different means. some of those means may pose some national security concerns. i think that is going to be really key in terms of what the judge allows and doesn't allow in the affidavit. we have to remember that the fbi agents that were involved,

they stand a very serious risk of violence and threats being used against them because really, that is the message that is being perpetuated through republican leadership throughout all levels of congress. i think those are the two things that the judge, he has been a victim of some antisemitic hate rhetoric. i think those are the things that he's going to keep in mind. >> you think this video, where to be released and not blurred in any fashion, tracey, it could be specific enough to show the faces, identifications, anything like that of these fbi agents that went in there? >> again, i just hypothesizing, i do not know what kind of surveillance he has at mar-a-lago. most of us have camps and stuff like that in our home. i'm guessing he probably does have a step more than that. i would suspect that there could be a lot of identifying information in this. simply leaving it in the trumps camp's hands to blur out faces is really a big which.

i don't think it is a wish that is going to come to fruition. >> you are hearing in your article about the hearing, you quoted the counter intelligence official who said, another factor is the threat of possible obstruction and interference in the investigation. in many cases, that's purely theoretical. in this case, the court has found probable cause that there was a abaya lay shun of one of the obstruction statutes and that evidence of the obstruction can be found in the redacted version of the affidavit. meaning? what do you think trump and his lawyers know exactly what this is all about? they may not know who the mole is, mark, but do they know exactly what's incident prompted the search? >> no. there is not a lot of information that trump world's very coherent or a cohesive on. there has been reporting out there that one of his attorneys sign some sort of declaration or abdication that the fact

that the government had gotten anything you want it in june. obviously, the government didn't and came back with a search warrant. just what happened in a period of time we don't know. what he did say in open court was that this affidavit is fairly extensive. it draws on lots of grand jury testimony and witnesses. there is, apparently, lots of information there that can be clean. also, it warned that if this information was blocked out in an insufficient way, someone could find out who these witnesses are. that's why they want to do a thorough redacting of the information. we are in wait and see mode, we are an old story of the blocking then describing an elephant with their hands. >> what do you, tracey, make a broad statement. do you think someone unauthorized got a little too close or even worse to these classified documents? >> my gut says yes. i think that is where some of this obstruction comes into

play that mark was talking about. i think something happened between june and when the search warrant was executed that tipped off the fbi to realize that things were being purposely, i think that's the key here, the intent. purposely keeping these documents from the national archives and from requests to turn them in. i think that is really the issue. the issue boils down to really be intent in the situation. if they were actively being moved, then that is absolutely obstruction. >> quickly mark on this, one of trump's lawyers, that being christina bob, was also that hearing. she did attempt to file a motion regarding the affidavit. during appearance on fox news this week, she explained the reasoning behind that decision. let's quickly play that. >> we believe that some of the other parties actually had argued it quite well. we believe it was very interesting and someone encouraging that you have parties from both sides of the

aisle. liberal media outlets, a couple of them conservative watchdog groups really together on the same side. we were curious to see how that played out. of course, reserving a rights to try something else in the future if we want you. we really just chose to see how it would play out. >> is this a strategy, mark? or maybe the trump folks don't want to fight too hard to reveal all the affidavit details. >> i'm not getting a lot of evidence that there's a lot of shadow here. for instance, christina bob, if you look through the expenditures for save america, she's not listed as giving services. for what i'm told by people in trump's orbit, she was just a custodian of records here, not really an attorney. if you walk into court and she doesn't listen afterward, we asked her hey, give me reaction to this? she can commit, she figured out that she had some sort of remarks and played punted on tv later night at fox. that's what she did, she is saying now, there are two

separate things. she was part of some cohesive and coherent legal strategy, she not only would've telegraphed what he said, but the trump campaign, or better said the trump organization lower case oh in this case, would've filed this motion that trustee was talking about a lot earlier. >> well, it makes sense that it doesn't really make sense. okay mark, and tracey thank you so much both. my next guest knows don trump better than anyone, he's been to mar-a-lago dozens of times. we're gonna ask him about the pool, yet the pool at mar-a-lago and why it's location is a potential significance in the investigation. icance in th investigation. investigation. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪

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how dumb weaponize the u.s. department of justice. michael, welcome. we're gonna get to the book in a second. what do you make of this? is this something that trump might do, blowing the basis, doing something to secure those fbi personnel, knowing that it is going to risk the safety. could they keep threatening to really sit and never actually follow through? >> obviously, we have already seen that air came out swinging first. eric trump, claiming that they're going to release the tape sometime soon without discussing whether or not they were going to obscure the faces or anything like that. if they believed that the tape benefited them, i promise you that tape would have already been released. as we are speaking now. obviously, they know that it doesn't. there are dozens and dozens of cameras throughout mar-a-lago. i can assure you that at the

time the raid was taking place that they were watching the raid, they were watching the fbi agents going through the property because they have a server that connects all of it. you can watch it anywhere. you can watch it at trump tower, which i'm sure they were. or really were ever donald was at the moment. >> they would release it if they thought it may be fbi agents looked bad, right? as if they were rummaging through things, making a mess, not being professional in their approach. >> correct. so look, probably not good. one of the things that trump's legal team right now is researching, they keep talking about it, is instituting a fourth amendment claim which is unreasonable searches and seizures against the fbi based upon what trump described as, and this is great, i love his wording, the raid of his home as atrocities being perpetrated by the fbi and the department of justice. then he of course accuses law

enforcement of destroying our country. it is truly amazing, talk about deflection. donald then goes on to conclude with a major motion, i like those adjectives, a major motion pertaining to the fourth amendment will soon be fired concerning the illegal break-in of my home mar-a-lago. now look, alex, we've talked about this a lot. the liar and chief is at it again. first, let me be very clear. many of the people that come on your show and come on msnbc, and all media, they keep calling it abc's home. it is not his home. it is a social club with hundreds of members. second, what do we know? it was a lawful raid predicated on a search warrant that was signed off by a magistrate. lastly, this is the best one, we have the trumps claiming that they have released the video footage. he knows that if he does that it will refute the allegations

that he is raising here because while it will show is that the fbi, like what they did to me, i'm talking about firsthand knowledge now, they were professional, they were courteous, and they were respectful of the property. i can assure you that they were exactly the same way at mar-a-lago. >> and they certainly know, dealing with a former president of the united states, come on, the implication being on anything other than professional. >> alex, one of the things that trump is trying to do here, trump likes to play the victim again and again. so, this greasy grift or will fund-raise off of it which we are seeing him doing on a daily basis. while that rate was going on, my cell phone probably got four or five emails and text messages, hey friend, you are not going to believe what is going on here. they are writing my dad's home. it is amazing, i don't even know how many millions that

they must have fundraised so far off of this. >> is definitely into the billions, that's for sure let's talk about the trump attorney, listen to what she had to say about it michael. >> mar-a-lago is here in and of itself, just getting on to the compound is hard. and then it was a lock door, getting back down into the basement, you can just walk out there and then there is only one. it is a very limited number of people that have access down there. it was enough where president trump believed, our team believed that it was secure enough. they asked for one more lock and another lock which we did. and then, for whatever reason they decided they still needed to read the place. >> moving past that, news nation reports, michael, that the top secret classified documents were found in former president trump's office above the ballroom and a storage room

off an interior hallway near the pool. a storathe washington post reps that a pool was a major part of the social scene, as you described later, and a focal point of activity as part of mar-a-lago's day-to-day business. you've been the dozens of times, give me a sense of how secure you think these documents were. >> not secure at all. which is why the magistrate signed off on this warrant, this unprecedented warranted. let me tell you, the ballroom, there are thousands of people a week that go into the ballroom. getting upstairs, who is sitting there monitoring the staircase to take you upstairs to don's office? the whole thing is a joke. she doesn't know what she's talking about. she is not competent, which is another problem that donald has. she is not a competent attorney. especially competent in this area when you're dealing with the former president of the united states who is violating the law buys taking documents and placing them.

first of all, he should have them in the first place, but even still, placing them in an unsecured area. that is, again, forget the fact that it was secured, unsecured, he's not supposed to have them. donald doesn't care about that because the rules don't apply to him. they only apply to you and me. >> here's what he thinks, nbc news is reporting that trump thinks the mar-a-lago search is going to help him in 2024. the day after federal agents search that resort, former president trump told us quote, the president was hell. that is according to fuel at that meeting, michael. to some, he sounded ready to have the job again. congressman saying that he was not to be deterred. however, some of his allies also believe that he is kind of shrugging off these legal issues to quickly. you have repeatedly said that trump will not run for president in 2024. do you still stand by that? >> i still stand by it. i do not believe that donald will run in 2024. he knows statistically that he

cannot win. it is a fragile eagle will not permit him to be a two time loser, weathers to joe biden over to someone else. he just can't have it. more importantly, again the greasy drifter will end up losing all of this money that is coming into him based upon the big lie and based upon this ongoing continuous play as the victim, every single thing that is going on in america. >> we have to get to allen here, the former cfo of the trump organization treated guilty. 15 felony counts on thursday. prosecutor say that he failed to pay millions and helped top executives do the same for a dozen years. he faces five months in jail, millions of penalties by the way. and you were interviewed quite a few times by new york prosecutors in this case. how instrumental do you think your testimony may have been? are you satisfied justice has been served?

because there is more to come here. >> so, that is a very loaded question. first of all, the district attorney came to visit me in upstate new york three times. they thought it was important enough. when i was ultimately returned after the second, the unconstitutional remained that i'm now suing the u.s. government and trump and bill barr on. after that, i met again at least another half, 9:10 times with the district attorney's office regarding this. they have documents that i have gone through hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of documents with them that all show this ongoing continuous scheme, this scheme i reference when i was before the house oversight committee two years before that. do i think that allen's sentence is justified? do i think that it is proportionate or disproportionate sentencing?

five months, 15 years, millions of dollars, he was involved in the scheme. do i think, well no i don't to start. although, i am certain that none of you viewers would want to spend even an hour over at rutgers which looks like where he's going to go. it is not a nice place, and he is not going to have an easy time there. but, one of the things that he is required to do, he is required to testify at the upcoming hearing which is slated for october of this year against the trump organization. now, there's so much conversation, alex, about whether or not he's going to testify against donald trump. i don't see how it is possible that he doesn't. here is the reason why, the trump organization is donald's eponymous company. nothing, i said this for four and five years on television, before congress, nothing goes on at the trump organization

that donald trump is not, and i repeat, is not intimately aware of and involved in. what is he going to do? he's got to pick and choose what questions he is going to answer? that is not the way this is going to work. if the prosecutors from the da 's office, if district attorney alvin does not ask him the very specific questions that i can throw out in the next three minutes to you, that would really bury trump and so many others. it would be a dereliction of his duty. there is no other way to describe it. tomichael cohen, sadly, i am out of time. i could talk with you forever. let me get a quick look to the book. we are waiting for that one. you are coming back in october when i think it's released. michael cohen, revenge, this is how donald trump weaponize the u.s. department against his critics. that is gonna be one heck of a rain. michael, thank you so much for joining me. so you soon. >> alison, thank you. trust me, it is a good read. >> i bet. all right, the situation gets

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across europe this hour. a nuclear power plant of becoming a russian target in the war in ukraine. ukrainian officials are warning that potential environmental catastrophe on a global scale could occur as russian forces continue to shell the plant. vladimir putin even acknowledged these strikes raise the threat of a large-scale catastrophe. it could lead to widespread radioactive contamination. let's go to nbc's josh lederman. he is in central ukraine. he is joining us now at the very latest. this is so concerning. josh, what do you know? >> alex, there is more shelling overnight just ten miles from this nuclear power plant. local officials are saying that russian artillery and rockets pummeled the area. this morning, there were

reports from ukraine's state owned nuclear company of shelling near another ukrainian power plant further down to the south. all of that is raising fears even further about the prospect of a nuclear tech catastrophe. >> this morning, as explosions ripped, civilian and military areas alike, ukraine is saying that they plan to shut down the largest nuclear power plant. they will disconnected from ukraine's electricity grid. >> we will deal neutralize, as we proposed, the problem will be solved. >> they told the news that the radiation could spread far beyond ukraine. >> russia is going to get control about ukraine of this power plant. if not that, they could certainly allow fred demilitarized zone around the power plant. >> russia has rejected both of those. in a friday phone call, vladimir putin told french

president that they're willing to let the yuan send nuclear exports to the plant. the big question, when? will it be soon enough? >> here in ukraine, the nuclear energy company has encouraged pregnant women and children to leave. they could be at the highest risk for radiation. >> president zelenskyy said that if russia is extortion with radiation continues, this summer may go down as one of the most tragic in european history. ukraine is also setting up its counter offensive. they're wrestling back territory in putting russia on the defensive. these strikes are deep in russian held territory, that includes crimea. russian officials report more drawstrings overnight. a ukrainian official told nbc news that recent explosions and crimea or the work of pro ukrainian saboteurs. they are hinting at more to come. alex, at this nuclear plant, a big concern is that shelling could damage some of the massive amounts of spent nuclear fuel that is being stored at that site. experts say that the biggest risk is that shelling would

knock out the power supply to the cooling system that keeps the nuclear reactors were melting down. if there were a disaster, nuclear experts say that the radiation could spread into russia. it could go deep into europe. alex? >> this is frightening. josh, i am glad that you i ended up for us. this is certainly something to be concerned about. thank you. from there to politics, this is all the rage among republican lawmakers. it is an effort to scare americans. now they are unleashing rhetoric to rev up the base even more. en more. this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments. and cibinqo helps provide clearer skin and less itch. cibinqo can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections and do blood tests.

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that is tuesday through friday. new this week, president biden announced that he will announce a summit next month to an addressed a series of hate fueled a tax. federal agents are reporting an increase interests after the doj authorized a surge of trump trump's florida resident. joining me now is mike quigley. he is a member of the house of appropriations intelligence committees. he's a good friend to us. welcome back to the broadcast, sir. how concerned are you for fbi personnel? they are facing these increased threats. how do you think the fallout of the mar-a-lago search is impacting the bureau, the staff, the morale, and all of that? >> look, it is of great concern. the president has not shown any reservations about putting other people's lives at risk if it helps him. i was in the room on january 6th where it happened.

i watched his speech. i said, wow, he just sent 10, 000, 20,000 people on us. the morale here is extraordinarily important. think about the work they do. they do it on an ongoing basis. also, we have to reauthorize programs that keep this come country safe. there is the pfizer program. in our area, it will make it far more difficult to do that. that makes our whole country less safe. it is not just the fbi agents. >> yeah. >> so, again, the doj concern over what could happen if the video of the surge schedule east, i am curious about your concerns. there is a security risk. if those faces are blurred, the identity of the agent where to be concerned. i am not saying that we rely on the trump family to do that, but if it were to be done, would it then be okay to release this video? you might have heard over the conversation with michael cohen. it is not like you expect the

fbi to go in there and be unprofessional. the likelihood is they were completely professional as they went in there in methodically went through boxes. they went through items and saw exactly what they need to take. >> look, i was a criminal defense attorney for ten years. i saw nothing less than professionalism on their part. the concern here is their safety. i was told, and i would like to know if it is true, they asked the mar-a-lago folks to turn the cameras of during this, they refused. this was released with the images blurred. it will show that professionalism. it will work against the conspiracy theorists. it is not hard to work against a conspiracy with the trump extremists. their whole life rests on a grasp. i think there is a middle ground here. i am concerned about much of this information getting out. it is not just because of their safety, but because of issues that were related to sources

and methods. we talk about how we keep the country safe through the intelligence community. >> you are well aware of this. last week, the chairs of the intel and oversight committee sent that letter to the director of national intelligence. they are asking for a national security assessment. can you tell me where that stance? will you ever get a look? will you get an informational briefing because you are part of the intel committee or a member? sure. i mean, this is the kind of thing that is asked for after a horrible leak of national security information. at that point in time, we would be asked for an assessment, a damage assessment. we are talking about very grave damage to the national security of the united states, and the language that's used, when we are talking about top secret information. do i believe we will get that briefing? yes. to what extent, and who all

will get that? i don't know, it will have some limitations. there's a reason some information is limited to who gets it in congress. that said, not everyone is on the intelligence committee. sometimes, when there is highly classified information, an individual member seeks -- would have to get approval for the committee, and there's actually a vote. sometimes, they are turned down because they have already said they are going to release this information. do i think i served with people who would release classified information, for political purposes? yes. >> that's sobering and unfortunate. let's go to but president biden did this week, which was signed the inflation reduction act into law. what are the immediate impacts for americans, and how important is it that democrats message out on how this is going to help people? >> look, i think democrats are going to ally to make that clear. tons of this is just that a, this is the president who

somewhat, quietly, has a lot of political successes in congress. he passed the rescue plan. he passed the largest infrastructure plan in my lifetime. he passed the first gun violence measures in decades. all the while, unifying nato and helping our ukrainian allies, and now with this bill, we are going to reduce emissions by 40% by 2030 out of pocket, medicare prescription expensive, limited to 2000 per year, and we are going to negotiate for this. this is going to help every day americans reduce their energy costs, eat healthier, fight climate change, and it's not just a big political victory. it's the fact that we will actually come to terms with the issues that -- we are concerned about. quite honestly, 30 years from now, when someone's doing this show, they will be most angry about or happy about what we did or didn't do on climate change.

>> here's something a number of republicans have trying to do, or is convinced them money that's been allocated for the irs in this bill allows the agency to now hire 87,000 new employees, and those new agents will audit middle class taxpayers. take a listen to this. >> if the irs gearing up for war in our country? is nancy pelosi trying to start a nuclear war in asia? is there an effort by the national security states to soak violence in a civil war here at? home >> those irs agents are designed to come after you. they're not the time to come after the billionaires and the big corporations, they are designed to come after small businesses and working families. >> they are going to go after the mom and pop. they're going to go after the small business person, the independent contractor, the uber driver, and they are going to focus on basically -- parts of the country that don't support with the regime is trying to do. >> how do you cut through this fearmongering and put the truth out there? >> it's tough, because some of

its complicated. i am the chairman of the committee that funds the irs. the republicans cut funding to the irs from 2010 to 2018, we lost about 22% of our staff. a lot of that is just answering questions. lower middle class and american classes have about taxes. more important, about 40% reduction took place in those irs people who did the more serious, complicated audits. so that meant 75% reduction in that time on the wealthiest americans, on 50% reductions and audits on the wealthiest corporations. the facts are just the opposite of what they're saying. this will allow the irs to audit the wealthiest corporations in americans.

and these aren't patriots, but they are -- often tax cheats, who create about two thirds of a trillion dollars a year in a tax gap. and if you love this country, one of the things you do is pay your fair share. instead of being a criminal who cheat on your taxes, and if you want to increase military spending, reduce the tax gap. you want to address the deficit? you reduce the tax gap. you want to help people with prescription drugs or fight climate change? this is all in the same boat. we have tax systems put in place at the very least we should fairly and equitably enforce the law. >> congressman mike quigley, my friend, good to talk to you. thank you for this time on a saturday. coming up next, the four letter word donald trump reportedly used to describe his time in the white house, and when prominent trump supporter echoed what you could argue many americans might feel in a word, exhaustion.

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trump is the de facto leader of the republican party, and no matter how many times he tried to slice it, republicans who may want somebody different, who may want a different candidate, trump is still the leader. he is going to be the nominee if he decides to run for president, so they could talk about rhonda sanchez all they want, they could talk about maybe some of these other monitor, maybe lose cheney has a chance of making a dent among the republican party field, but at this point, donald trump is still the de facto leader of the republican party, and i know that makes a lot of republicans unhappy, but that is the state of play where we are at this point. >> interesting. kurt, fox host laura ingraham is quoted in the post saying, the country i think is so exhausted. they are exhausted by the battle, the constant battle, that they may believe that well, maybe it's time to turn the page if we can get someone who has all trump's policies who's not trump. you think she's speaking for the country, kurt, or four republicans? what is the significance of her saying this publicly? how do you read it? >> i think it's a recognition

by even the most ardent trump supporters and propagandists that donald trump's toxic. there's a recognition there that with all the things falling around donald trump, that every day, the more we learned, the worse it gets. the more it could likely backfire on a republican party that's pledge complete fealty to this point to donald trump. people like laura ingraham are looking for offerings, basically, to continue what they started with donald trump, but really assigned to someone else. whether it's ron desantis, mike pence, nikki haley, wherever they are desperate to find someone to fill that gap. right now, they are all in on trump. but he's nothing but a liability. >> so adrienne, how does this square with donald trump's ability to raise more than 1 million dollars a day in the week after the fbi search? >> yeah, it means its base is with him. it's obviously disturbing, given the fact of the allegations are proven. we have all these classified documents. let's not forget, when donald

trump in 2016 said, i could stand on fifth avenue and shoot someone and still be elected, we are now seeing that come to fruition. i'm not sure where he could possibly do to lose that base. let's also keep in mind, alex, his base is pretty small. it's about 33% of the overall electorate. he lost by 3 million votes in 2016 of the popular vote. he lost by more than 7 million votes in 2020. the majority of the country is very far away from donald trump. he does have a strong grip on that gop base, and i don't know how that's going to change. >> midterms, though, kurtz. political reports trump's senate field is floundering in pennsylvania, in georgia, arizona, wisconsin, and he's a ways off yet, but will republican voters project trump in these states? >> i think what we're seeing is a repudiation of this ultra extreme agenda that tries to say that big government should tell women what they should or shouldn't do with their bodies, that they have to carry pregnancy to terms, even if

their children or if they were raped. i think they're seeing this rejection of the idea that republicans need to be against everything, for. nothing while democrats are actually getting stuff done. they are passing things to keep a lid on -- inflation, to lower gas prices, to adjust climate change, to get infrastructure going in this country. at some, point the contrast becomes so clear and more and more, we are seeing the pace republican party become even more agitated and extreme. when you get to a point where this party, the republican party, is the anti law enforcement party in america? that's too far and extreme for most voters in this country. >> that is extraordinary, that change. they're all right, adrian all rotten, kurt, good to see you guys. a lot more unfolding in the investigation of donald trump. a newly-released document from the search may be shedding more light on the justification for that mar-a-lago search. also, new exclusive reporting on the fbi director's role and the decision to seek those top secret documents in the trump compounds, and great worry the justice department, possibility of trump releasing surveillance of that search.

if the video really supports some of trump's claims about the search, why hasn't he released that video already?

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