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4095, that is how many lawsuits former president donald trump or his organization, has been involved in, according to usa today. and they cover everything from defamation, contract disputes, personal injury, and more. and they spanned three decades. donald trump has been the defendant in almost 2000 of those civil suits. but the former president has never been a defendant in a criminal trial. if that changes, the trump playbook we have grown so familiar with, the path he nears, the vengeful outbursts, the dangerous lies, they will have no power there. the former president is connected to criminal investigations on multiple fronts. there is the justice department's investigation on trump's handling of classified documents, which most recently was -- a federal judge says he is inclined to unseal parts of the search affidavit and has ordered the justice department to make redactions. then, there's trump's efforts

to overturn the results of the 2020 election. his former white house lawyer was recently subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury in that matter. and then, there's the criminal investigation in fulton county, georgia. a key target in trump's effort to nullify georgia 2020 -- by putting pressure on georgia secretary of state to find votes. we know a target of that investigation is trump's right-hand lawyer, rudy giuliani. the closest person to the president. to the former president. to be a target in these criminal probes. and that is not even mentioning the criminal investigations into the trump organization. where former cfo allen weisselberg just pled guilty to a tax fraud scheme, where he will pay nearly $2 million in fines and spend up to five months in prison. that is a lot of potential crimes, y'all. so, let's not even. here to discuss is matthew brown. he's a national correspondent, focused on democracy for the washington post. and msnbc legal analyst,

carroll -- is with us. she is a formal federal prosecutor. carol, can we just talk about this affidavit that spurred the search of mar-a-lago? now, the judge in that case may allow a redacted version to be unsealed. now, although, we know president trump's allies are calling for it, his lawyers did not file a motion to unseal the affidavit. that did not happen in the courtroom. i'm talking about the court of public opinion. can you just breakdown for folks at home how releasing part of the affidavit, how that could affect the former president and this ongoing investigation? >> sure. and we are definitely in uncharted grounds here because generally speaking, and i have a david of probable cause and support of a search warrant, does not in any way become public until you are either very close to trial and there is a motion to suppress the search warrant, or you are actually in trial. but here, we are actually, according to the justice department, in the early stages

that the investigation itself. so, if portions of this probable cause affidavit are in fact released by the judge, they are most likely to be the more innocuous sections of the affidavit. and even the justice department said, look, we gave a try at redacting this document and we found the result to be meaningless to the reader. because the aspects that the reader would want to see, the names of witnesses, for example, what kinds of documents are issued, what else the cranberry has been doing, are all aspects that simply cannot be disclosed at this time. or it would have an impact on the investigation. >> so, carroll, we also know that donald trump is making additional baseless claims about this search on social media site. and we are not going to read those claims to folks here. we will not show them. i will summarize them for you. basically, he is saying the fbi search on his property, violated the fourth amendment protection against illegal search and seizure.

but we know that this was a legal process. this was approved by a judge. so, what exactly is the former president doing? and frankly, do you think it will work in a criminal proceeding? >> motions to suppress evidence because there is an allegation by the defendant that there was a violation of fourth amendment rights, even wear a fourth -- that is not unusual at all. that happens in almost every criminal case where there is a search warrant that has been used along the way in the investigative process. whether it's successful or not is also uncertain at this point. what is not making sense here and what is confusing is that no criminal case has actually been brought. we are still in the early stages of the investigation. so, when somebody claims that their fourth amendment rights have been violated in the way a search warrant has been executed or the search warrant itself, it is in order to suppress evidence in an upcoming trial. and there haven't even been criminal charges filed here.

so, in that sense, it doesn't make sense. if the president is claiming he doesn't like the behavior of the agents and executing the search warrant and want to bring a civil suit against them, that's right. he can file whatever lawsuit he wants. but in the criminal context, it is not clear to me at all what his attorney is talking about when he says there is going to be a lawsuit filed regarding the execution of the search. it just doesn't make sense at this point. >> it sounds like they're not real lawyers. they might need to consult a real lawyer on this. matthew, let me bring you in here because we have seen a spike in threats to law enforcement. and the justice department argued that releasing the affidavit could only a fuel that. and put more witnesses in jeopardy. could the judge be playing with fire here? >> it's very possible that the judge could be playing with fire here. as mid knee legal experts have told me and my colleagues, this is an unprecedented thing to

potentially release the affidavit. because the information that would be contained in such a document -- we're talking about not just the information that the justice department would've observed themselves, would have led them to believe that a crime could've been committed -- but also potential informants, as well as the entire blueprint that we're looking at here for what their potential strategy for charges could end up being in the situation. given the extensive-ness of the document, the lengthy-ness of the document, and the fact that it could jeopardize, not just the security of potential witnesses, who testified before or gave information to the justice department, but also the actual asians that were involved in this investigation -- it is a very unprecedented step, but there's nothing precedent it about this. >> everything about this conversation is unprecedented. i think it's important to know that the violence, the spike in violence against law enforcement, is due to the rhetoric by donald trump and many of his allies. his dangerous rhetoric that he

was causing disruption and fueling what we have seen out there. don't take my word for it. -- eric holder had something to say about this as well. >> that is something that really angers me. this notion that somehow or another you will go after federal agents and imply that they were planting information. you know, letting out the names of the people, the agents, who were involved in this process. knowing full well that that meant that they were going to be put in danger. the next time the republican party and leaders of that party and donald trump say that they are a law on order people, i hope the american people will remember how they treated people in law enforcement around this mar-a-lago incident. this is something that really, really, really makes me angry. >> i think it's important to note that this kind of incitement from trump and his allies, it is regularly happened. so, are there any avenues to

hold donald trump accountable or anyone spewing this vitriol, if the latest threats turn into action from the former president supporters? >> i will not talk about the former president trump at this time, because obviously a former president in that situation is, as we've been using this word at all, unprecedented. but there are statutes, criminal statutes, that hold people responsible for were accountable for inciting violence against law enforcement agents and in fact and individual just a week ago i think was indicted for doing exactly that. we are in a new time. we're in a time of social media. and a lot of what we are used to in terms of threats, you know, coming through the u.s. mail or something like that -- no longer really apply. we are talking about a whole new tool that is in the hands of people who want to incite violence against law enforcement agencies. and that is simply despicable.

there's nothing that can be sudden defensive that. people are using tools that are available now that maybe weren't available 20 years ago in order to whip up mobs based on a motion. and you can see the results and the attack in cincinnati. and it is just not defensible. >> not at all. and i would like to remind people, january 6th, okay, prior to january 6th, the michigan state capital, this is dangerous. carol lam, thank you very much for your insights. matthew braun, you stick around, my man, because we will keep chatting. coming up, folks, the new midterm forecast leading both parties to revamp strategies as republicans are voting -- we will get into the implications of liz cheney's defeat and more when my political panel joins me. but first, our favorite friend, my colleague richard louis is here for today's other top news

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and the only three votes he cast while trump was president were to reject his election lies, and to finally impeach him. meyer's first term is also his last. i want you to remember this when trump's allies tout his so-called doctrine. the allegiances not to border security, it is not to religious freedom, and it is certainly not to law and order. it is to a man. one single, dangerous man. and that devotion may very well reshape not just our congress, but the very core of who we are as a nation after this november. so here to discuss is my political panel, democratic strategist so she had no set is here with us. former republican congressman carlos karbala of florida is here, and matthew brown is still with us in the chair. congressman, i want to start with you. we just played some of list to needs concession speech and it is the most defiant, i think,

concession speech i have ever heard. a concession speech is a speech you have had to give before in 2018. and you warned against trumpism when you later reflected on your loss. what did it feel like two watchlist cheney giving her speech, especially when we talk about the future of the republican party? >> honestly, i was proud of liz cheney. because she said the truth. and she said that she was unwilling to compromise her principles, and her integrity in order to win an election. and that is what's so many republicans have to do these days, simone. they have to accept donald trump's lies. they have to defend donald trump at all costs, or at the very least they have to stay quiet and not criticize him. phyllis cheney, it just wasn't worth it. and i think it shouldn't be worth it for anyone. staying in power, sure. there are a lot of benefits to that, and perhaps some people say well, liz cheney did not have to be an all out monger the way she was. but there is something to say

for keeping your honesty, keeping your integrity, and i actually think liz cheney is going to be a lot more dangerous for donald trump now that she is liberated from having to seek reelection. she is going to be fully committed, as she says, to preventing him from reaching the oval office. perhaps that means she runs for president doesn't independent, whatever it is, liz cheney is fixated, in a good way, on keeping someone very dangerous from returning to the white house. >> you know, sochi, this point that the congressman makes is interesting. because i want to believe that if we were talking about a former democratic president, right, that was as unhinged, and as dangerous as donald trump is, i would not have an issue speaking up and speaking out. i would hope a number of my democratic friends wouldn't either. what is going on? what is going on?

i think that is a question so many people have. what's the heck is going on? >> you are right, simone. i just want to point what happened after 2016 when democrats lost everything, there was a very divided democratic party. we could have sat around, and pointed fingers, and started to try to figure out, divide our selves even more about moderates versus the far left, et cetera. but instead, we came together with a unified message around health care, and ended up winning the house, the senate, and the white house, as you will note. the problem with republican says that they had the opportunity to do that. they had the opportunity to take a step back, have a fresh look, have a message that resonates with the american people, and try to tackle the midterms. these midterms are theirs to lose. it should be a really tough midterm election for democrats, and because republicans have had recruitment failures, and they have also elected in their

primaries untested candidates, it is very possible that democrats hold on to the senate and potentially even the house. i think the house will be harder, but it is because republicans have failed to put forward a unified message that resonates with all voters, and instead there is this interparty fighting that is going to end up helping democrats. >> helping democrats and hurting our democracy. as everyone here knows, in my former life, i was a democratic strategist. but i am someone who has always said that i believe in the systems of this country. i believe we need to strong political parties. what does it say about the state of our democracy when republicans in this country are punished for standing up and telling the truth, for standing up and defending our democracy? where does that leave us? you are out here honoring democracy what is going on? >> i just have to underscore, just to get numbers on this, a

recent washington post analysis that we did on my team at the post found that 54 of 87 gop candidates have won their primaries who denied the result of the 2020 election and who spread election conspiracy theories. this is something that is quite popular and the republican party right now and really still has a hold not just in the elite corners of the party but also very much at the grassroots. this is a very concerning thing not just because of people not believing in true facts here, but also for why. we need to understand the roots of this question, and why so many people are attracted to this narrative that has been put out by many gop leaders, most notably, former president trump himself. i think it shows that our country is at the moment very poor allies, polarized, -- not just the media, but any portions of civic life, including government, including corporations, and polluting -- that itemization, that fracturing of our social fabric i think is making it so that a lot of people can come in and when they are interested in power you can simply assert

yourself in a way that is incredibly receptive to large parts of this country, unfortunately. >> it is deeply concerning. i want to make sure we talk about this cook political report. it speaks to something so she just said. cook political report, they are very conservative with their these -- are the folks that want to get it right. they say senate control is a toss-up between democrats and republicans in november. it seems to me that now, even senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is singing that same tune. i want you all to hear what he had to say. >> i think there is probably a greater likelihood the house splits than the senate. >> you know, this is certainly an unusual moment of candor from the minority leader. so she, you spoke to this. i just want to ask you, you have got mehmet oz, you have got herschel walker, some of these folks are election

denying conspiracy theorists, many of these people are not qualified to hold office. these folks have missed the boat this year. what is going on? >> that is right. and would cook local reporters saying it's a democrats have better paths, and more options to get to a majority than republicans have right now, which is surprising because that was not the case a few months ago. we were talking about how in many of these states, democrats were in trouble. but because of the recruitment failures, and because democrats have established themselves in these states as trusted leaders who have delivered, you might end up having dems come up on top in november. that is why i will be keeping my eye on it. >> they are telling me i have to go, i have to interrupt you, i think that the senate doesn't play, congressman and, you think the democrats are winning the house, maybe, what do you think? >> right now i wouldn't bet on democrats keeping the house.

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and that even a small mistake could result in a huge disaster of a leak at that plant, which means we're looking at radioactive materials seeping out of the plant, potentially making its way beyond europe. that is why we hear about this international catastrophe here. meanwhile, both sides are are queuing thing the other -- i want to take a listen of what the other secretary of state had to say about this. >> any kind of military activity, any kind of shelling at all like that, around a nuclear power plant is of great concern. we are concerned about the radiation. we are concerned about the impact of that. but anything that happens there, will be impacted. not just by ukraine or any russian troops, but by the national community. >> now, russian president vladimir putin has said that he is open to international inspectors going in to this

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republicans raise the money to force several counties to recount those votes by hand. we are watching for the final numbers, but so far, there has been practically no change in the results. and michigan? a judge issued a temporary injunction that stops county prosecutors from forcing michigan's 1931 law banning abortion. the oakland county circuit judge had words for the prosecutors. >> the public stems from that -- though the court appreciates both sides of this debate, their passion and their convictions, by not issuing a conjunction today, the court could send the health care system in a crisis -- and not lost on the court, without any repercussion for the man who, without a doubt, are a necessary component to create a pregnancy. >> but in kentucky, the state supreme court ruled the states near total abortion ban will remain in place, while it

reviews arguments by abortion clinics. for more on all the state battles, i am joined by the experts. jenny black is the president and ceo of planned parenthood -- and florida state representative -- it is also with us. all right, thank you all for being here. i want to start with you. i am very interested in how kentucky is preparing for this campaign to keep reproductive care accessible. >> thank you. protect kentucky access is organizing and communities across the state, we are staffing up, we are raising money. and we are ready to hear the voters of kentucky speak on this issue on november 8th. >> we know that -- oh, yes, okay. i thought you had something else to say, but let me bring you and hear. because we had -- planned parenthood is seeing everything, not just in your

state, but across the country. can you just talk about how bad is it in states right now that have a-limited war -- >> this week has really been the tale of two carolinas. good news out of south carolina and bad news out of north carolina. expanded access to care -- while the other restricted it on the same day. i want to make clear that abortion is legal in both states, but this really demonstrates the confusing patchwork of care and access we are all trying to navigate in this post roe america. patients and providers alike are experiencing confusion and fear and anger as politicians in all states are playing politics with our lives. it has been chaotic. but we're doing our level best to help patients keep it straight. >> it is chaotic. and it is not just affecting, as i like to say, women who voted for joe biden. this is affecting women and men, frankly, across the board,

regardless of who they voted for in the last presidential election. rachel, you also worked on the kansas ballot initiative, if you will, where you all were successful. how is -- first of all, this is very different from kentucky in the sense that one of the -- this is a supreme court, doing some things. what else is different about kansas versus kentucky? what lessons are you taking from kansas to apply in the fight that y'all are waging now? >> you're absolutely correct. kansas and kentucky are fifth different states. but i still think that there are a lot of lessons that we can learn from the victory and kansas on august 2nd. one of the reasons that we were so successful in kansas is that we listened to our voters and that is exactly what we are going to do in kentucky. we know that americans across the political spectrum support the right to save legal abortion. they think the extreme bans and restrictions that we are seeing in states across the country are out of step with our values. and in kentucky, we are going to figure out how to talk to

those voters and make sure that they understand these states -- stakes of this election. >> representative, i'm so happy you are here. it feels to me that florida is just ground zero for all of the nefarious things happening in the country right now. so, fortunately -- we have to talk about this nefarious story out of florida that literally left my jaw on the floor and i think jobs on the floor all over the country. 18 has been deemed not mature enough to have an abortion. the 16-year-old could not get and abortion because she has -- [inaudible] you held a news conference and had some words, to put it lightly, about this. we found someone outside that event protesting. i want you to take a listen to this. >> if a teenager is going to school, they need to get parental consent to even take an aspirin. they are not considered mature

enough to take an aspirin on their own. so, in my opinion, they are certainly not mature enough to have an abortion. >> so, she's not mature enough to have an abortion, but she is mature enough to have a child? i'm just going to let you react to that. >> first of all, thank you so much for having me, and second of all, it's offensive to compare pregnancy to a headache. to take any sort of medication, when we are facing these important serious, personal decisions -- in the case of parental notification consent laws, they have the profound impact on marginalized people. these types of laws across the country existed before roe and they've only become worse after row. and more than 66% of young people under the age of 18, who find themselves in need of an abortion, do talk to a parent or guardian about it. as you can see, in tragic circumstances like this, where there are no parents available to talk to 18 is being forced

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health crisis in america. it kills tens of thousands a year, and is one of the leading causes of death for american teens. but keeping guns on the streets has become a rallying cry of some of my republican friends. every time there is a mass shooting, you hear things like this. >> whether it is your right to worship, your right to bear arms, they want to limit them, to take them away, all in service of their political control, and the radical left wing agenda. >> inevitably, democrat members of this chamber minutes after an attack move towards wanting to disarm law-abiding citizens. that approach is, i believe, number one, on constitutional. but number two, it does not work. jurisdictions with the strictest gun control laws, over and over again have among the highest crime rates, and highest murder rates.

>> the truth is, the facts don't lineup with what senators josh hawley and ted cruz are saying. the cdc tracks deaths by firearms in the united states. these are from 2020. the latest year that is available. conservative states with looser gun laws have more shooting deaths per capita, period. states like hollies, missouri, and texas have quadrupled the number of gun deaths than both states with stricter laws. they are taking up the fight against gun violence and have launched a weeklong effort called mayors to fight back. i'm joined now by two of those mayors who are taking a stand, mayor sylvester turner of -- and mayor quinton lucas of kansas city, missouri. mayor turner, i want to start with you. because you have had close to 300 gun related deaths already this year in houston. can you talk to us about your efforts to stop it, and can you explain one safe houston

initiative that you have? >> thank you for having me. it is good to be on the program with my good friend, mayor lucas. let me just say to you, at the beginning of the year, we were looking at a 65% increase in comparison to last year. it was just moving in the wrong direction. what we decided that we need a holistic approach, not just one effort. so we put together what we call one's a few stone. it is providing resources to law enforcement, more boots on the ground, it is utilizing more technology, it is also addressing crisis intervention, mental behavior health issue, substance had to abuse, homelessness, it addresses people who are coming out of prison back into society through the reentry program, and it addresses our youth initiatives. we put on a very active robust huth yes, programs at a group 16 to 24. we had 14,000 in terms of

summer very successful. we are utilizing community messengers and community influences. a part of that is the program. it is all of that. quickly, let me just tell you, since january, violent crime in most categories and the city of houston has dropped. and just on homicides alone, when barrett was 65% at the beginning of the year, or as of yesterday morning, we are down to 2%. almost every other category of violent crime, there has been a reduction. >> so what you are telling me, mayor turner, is that when you are doing is working -- i want to underscore for people who are watching at home, what you said about the other services that you all are providing to address gun violence, i was a community organizer when i first graduated from school and it was popular to be a community organizer back in the obama days. we worked with violence interrupters, we helped restart a summer jobs program and then brought it to be a year-round jobs program. jobs programs make a difference,

do they not? >> they do. i will tell, you when you look at the data, that group that is driving the crime numbers and the city of houston, that group is between 16 and 24. i -- it is aimed at that very same demographic. so we want to show them we love them, we want to invest in them, we want to embrace them, and it has been very well received. when you rope that around our community messengers community, our crisis intervention, and utilizing law enforcement, we are not defunding anything, okay? but it takes all of that working together, and we are seeing positive results. >> positive results. mary lucas, i want to bring you into this because you are actually suing the state of missouri over a new law that requires that kansas city increase funding for its police department. why have you brought that lawsuit?

>> if you different reasons. this is a state that loves to intervene, and with the city is doing, not giving us any money to make things better, and to pass got awful laws, and put more guns on the street, and threaten our police officers more and more. kansas city is the only city in missouri that is run by the state. there is a commissioner, for people that are run by the governor and me, often voted out in terms of most of the things we are thinking about. and that is what runs our police decision-making. so i wish we would seem of the positives that mayor turner has been able to push in houston, sadly, we aren't. we are seeing more concerns in connection with heating activity in our city. we are seeing more incidents related to violent crime, including homicides. and we are trying to do better. and for, me i know airline forsman officers are trying to do better, the city is, we are invested in violence prevention. but when you have a state that has things like requirements on how much we spend, not allowing us to actually fund violence interrupters, social workers,

counseling, our health department as we would like, that is how you get to have these ongoing problems again and again. and it continues to get worse in the state. >> yes. to be very clear, it is insane but kansas city's run by a foreperson panel and you can do your work. that is insane to me. but you are finding ways to work around them. not only are you taking the state on when it comes to funding, you also want to hold gun manufacturers responsible. i know you said more than 70% of the guns connected to violent crime in 2021 were produced by 15 manufacturers. so would you want to have for those manufacturers? >> we want them to actually follow federal law. the biggest thing is, half of what we need to do is make sure that people are following rules. if you are a big time distributor, you need to make sure that you are selling the guns to somebody who is not going to buy them afterward. selling to those types of distributors that are actually making sure guns get into the hands of folks that are in gang

activity, or any number of issues. in kansas city, we have a gun manufacturer who is sending guns in the city, which they knew were going to be used in violent crimes, and that we connected back to a number of homicides in kansas city. we were able to sue that manufacturer, they then filed bankruptcy, but the atf under the trump administration gave them a new license under a different entity, we then sued the atf, we then shut them down again. that is the cycle that we will keep doing. because these guns are not made on the streets of kansas city. they are not made on the streets of both of our cities. we need to make sure that the rules are followed just like alcohol distributors, just like so many other variables. that can make a difference and making sure that there is not a flood of firearms in our streets each and every day. >> mayor turner, i saw you shaking your head. it is very clear to me that mayor's have been on the front lines, mayors are always on the frontlines, but you all have to step up during a pandemic, you are stepping up now in this conversation about crime across the country. and i am just grateful to you both for being here today, and

shedding some light on what is happening in your city, and with the mayors are doing throughout the coalition. so mayor sylvester turner, thank you, mayor quinton lucas, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right folks, that is our show. thank you for watching simone on this saturday. i am simone sanders, and you can catch me right here on msnbc saturdays on sundays at 4 pm eastern at anytime over on peacock, where i have new episodes on the msnbc hub every monday and tuesday, and hit me up on social media. you can find highlights, news, and exciting things and works for the show on instagram, twitter, and tiktok. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton is next. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. when uc held me back... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc got the upper hand...

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