reasons and other young children going up with their fathers in their homes. i would say let's continue, let's retire the free mill hashtag and make it # justice reform. >> that's it for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. every one of the most outspoken republican trump critic in congress losing her primary, trump's grip on the gop seems stronger than ever. is there any shaking of the party loose? of the cult of personality. and after israeli forces right several palestinians ngos the united nations says the move cannot be taken lightly. how is the u.s. responding. i've talked to the former head of the u.s. campaign for palestinian rights. it is one of the biggest scandals that you've never heard of. two pennsylvania judges sent children off to for profit prisons in exchange for kickbacks. the judges were convicted and now they've been ordered to pay

$200 million to the people they sentence. it is friday, i'm aim in my deede, let's get started. let's get started a there everyone, it is great to be with you. i'm ayman mohyeldin. if anyone thought that there was even a miniscule chance that today's gop could possibly, somehow, stand up or even take down donald trump. well this week proved that ain't happening. >> two years ago, i won this primary with 73% of the vote. i could easily have done the same again. the path was clear. but it would've required that they go along with president trump's lie about the 2020 election. it would've required that i enable his ongoing efforts to unravel the system. and attack the foundation there are public. >> it was congresswoman liz

cheney, perhaps the most prominent vocal trump clinic. giving her concession speech. she was defeated in the republican primary by this moment. harry segment. hageman is a trump back big lie endorsement and she will be the representative for wyoming in cheney's former district. that means come january, at least eight of the ten house republicans who voted to impeach trump over the insurrection, will now be gone. only two won their respective primaries. for lost, for decided to retire. the number of republicans worth their salt when it comes to preserving democracy is dwindling. now just consider where the gop and right-wing movements are right now in this country. not just standing by trump. but escalating the respect rhetoric and response to the back search at mar-a-lago. >> i'm angry, i feel violated, the whole country feels violated. it is disgusting. they've declared war on the sun

outs game on. >> we've got to change our federal government. the way our federal government has gone it's what we thought about this stop on people like that they just go after people. >> you may not have to think about these people as. wolves will swamp the issue. >> this is a witch hunt. this is a stall in his hunt. >> this is gestapo. >> quite honestly i'm concerned the mail planted something. at this point, who knows? i don't trust the government. >> now this heightened rhetoric resulted in threats against the fbi. threats against the judge who signed off on the search warrant. in fact the pennsylvania man was even arrested for making threats on the right-wing social media site gap. and that comes after a man was actually killed after he attacked an fbi field office in cincinnati last week. now trump is releasing the mar-a-lago surveillance video, -- the department of justice, this according to a senior official there. the department is extremely concerned about this safety of agents whose faces might be

exposed in that footage. now the gop has been mostly silent on these threats. with a notable exception of mike pence. >> these attacks on the fbi must stop. calls to defund the fbi are just as wrong this calls to defund the police. i also want to remind my federal publicans. we can hold the attorney general accountable for the decision that he made. without attacking rank and file law enforcement personnel at the fbi. >> let's not forget pence himself has gotten death threats from those on the far right. remember the hang mike pence chance on january the 6th? look, if we look to uphold our democracy in might be time to stop appealing to the gop, to come to its better census because they're demonstrating they will not. joining now to discuss msnbc

political analyst and former florida congressman david jolly democratic strategists daniel moody, who host the woke a f daily podcast. great to both of you with us. david i start with you. liz cheney, losing her primary. one of the loudest republicans to stand up to trump will be gone in just a few months from now. where do you see the party going without a national figure who is willing to stand up to donald trump? >> the same directions but heading for the last 6 to 10 years. amen. this cheney deserves extra points for patriotism. this is the end of the road for her. in today's republican party. she was rejected by a margin of nearly 40 points. and a deep red state of wyoming. that is not an indication of this cheney's service, it's an indication of where the heartbeat of republican politics are today. it is a witch rejection of the pro democracy conservative being if you will. it is hardly even a wing. now within that party.

but the party will continue down this road. you will see in the 22 election and probably into the 24 primary fight for the presidential nomination. it will get more trump-like. it will get more conspiracy fed. as you played in the intro, when you have a former speaker of the house, new congress, leading senator in which got. leaving conservative voices in media. stoking conspiracy theories. and you see the one person who stood up for truth lose by 40 points. look, we already know the parties. it is not going back to what he used to be. >> danya, to david's point about the fact that she lost by 40 points. i, mean she might, be cheney might be something of a democratic hero now. she is still though a staunch conservative. she voted with donald trump 93% of the time in her career. and yet, she still lost her primary by more than 40 points. what does this tell you about the trump cult of personality? that cheney refused to embrace him in the end, it is what brought her down. it wasn't her policies. it wasn't any of the

questionable positions she has taken over the years. >> i mean, the reality is, look, i applaud liz cheney for believing democracy. and supporting the truth. that donald trump lost a 2020 election. but for us to hail her some type of hero and the democratic space she isn't. she voted against contraception. she voted against inflation act. she's voted against voting rights. and so i want people to remember that when they're holding this back. and to david's point. the republican party that we all grew up with a new is not returning. it isn't just a cult of personality aim and it is a cult. it is a cult that has a white supremacist base that they believe in violence. but they believe it is time for unarmed black people to be killed by the state. but when you have a warrant and a search that is done by the fbi then all decided they are talking about defund the police. but they are back in the blue so long as the blue has their knee on the neck of black and brown people. so i think that it is really important for us to understand, and speak honestly about with

this republican party is. and the fact that they are stoking violence. and we are in dangerous times when this rhetoric isn't just rhetoric. it is turning into action and my fear is that it is going to get worse before it gets better. s going to david, speaking of the midterms, mitt mcconnell seems to be tempering expectations for the senate side of things. at least when it comes to the senate. have a listen? >> i think there's probably a greater likelihood that house flips. and the senate. senate races are just different. they are statewide. candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome. >> all right, so he comes candid equality has a lot to do with it. is he basically subtweeting donald trump's backed senate candidates. you know they herschel walker, the doctor oz is, the j.d. vance's, and if so why not try to pull the party away from trump's candidates?

or is he just giving trump complete rain over the party? >> yes, you nailed it. mcconnell was worried about the gop. georgia, ohio, pennsylvania. those are three races that two months ago he thought he probably had a like up. and look, this probably goes to some of the shipping that we may be seeing in the national trend. amen, which is coming out of the docks decision from the supreme court. coming out of the information to january 6th. and having donald trump back on the scene. democrats appear to be moving a little bit. and republicans in the wrong direction. that's why you heard mitch mcconnell worried. and to your point, and that environment, you do not want the spotlight to be on trump like senate candidates. republicans in the midterm cycle typically want to be talking about joe biden and incumbent democrats. but the truth is that mitchell connell is angered by terrible gop candidates that are john the spotlight and rightly so for all the wrong reasons. >> let me ask you this david, i mean, we've also seen trump's

allies in the gop in recent weeks. they become unhinged. they're attacking anyone that they perceive to be their enemies. whether is this cheney or the fbi, or judges in the wake of that mar-a-lago search. how is it that mike pence, the hang mike pence guy, is the loudest and seemingly only voice condemning all of this. the gop here actually not care about the political violence that it is inciting? >> they don't. i think that's what mike pence realized and then alarm bell went. off look i will struggle. is mike pence speaking with conviction or naivety when he talks about with the values of the republican party maybe should be. certainly, he didn't uphold those working for donald trump. but, again, in the interim. playing you king george, mark scott, mark levin, and others. look, this is a shameful moment for a bunch of would-be leaders. demonstrating, a coward is in agreement for politics that is stoking violence in the united states. danielle is right. this ultimately leads to

violence. because what trumpism injected on the party, a man, is that the deep state, the big government, the athletes, the liberals, -- they're coming for your way of life. they are coming for your freedom. that when donald trump, then you can bridge, and rich got say your way of life. your freedom is being taken from you. that is what insights the violence. because of something is being taken from you, you are justified in a violent response. so the today's republican party should be ashamed of themselves at large for the narrative they are injecting on the politics right now. >> danya let me switch gears and ask about the white house. it's basically going into a messaging blitz in the wake of biden's recent winning streak. he's had a pretty good run in the months and months of august, including the reduction in inflation acts signings. you know, is an effective strategy, you think? how should they be messaging to voters ahead of the midterms. coming off these recent political winds. >> democrats have had huge

winds. i've come on here and showing that others have been complaining about the biden ministration. and i would say that they have been doing the work that the american people need them to do. that are struggling with high inflation. that is struggling in so many ways. and so, but i want though is for them to do both and for them to have the fact that we have a justice department. there is going to seek accountability and responsibility. and we're going to protect the american people. and we're going to answer the call of what is needed. in order to reduce inflation. in order to give the american people relief as a pertains to prescription drugs. right? but they need to be able to halt both of these things. and make clear that there is a difference between democrats and republicans. and it isn't just about policy. it is about the perseverance of our democracy. and the stakes the ball americans. and our national security. and they need to make that clear as well. >> all right, daniel moody, david jolly, thanks to both of you for starting us off this hour. coming up, this week, israel rated the number of palestinian

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clashes, bombings, physical violence and war. coming off of israel's bombing offensive in gaza, that killed at least 49 palestinians including 17 children, according to gaza's health ministry. now that those bombings have stopped at least for now, we are not seeing horrific images of dead children, the media seems to have moved on. but we have to remember for palestinian to continue living under the occupation, there is no end to that reality. in fact it is the so-called calm period for once without regular bombings that really reveal what life is like under israel's occupation. on thursday morning, 100 days after the killing of journalist chireno bock of, israeli forces raided the offices of seven palestinian human rights groups in the occupied west bank. they broke down doors, confiscated documents, printers, computers. and this according to several groups whose offices were broken into. they also said the soldiers left military orders at the offices, stating that the

groups were illegal and had to cease operations. the groups that were shut down have been focused on all sorts of issues. the rights of prisoners, women, farmworkers, children. one group provides health care to palestinians. these are the organizations that we were told to stop their work. >> we are going to take our legality from the occupying power, is coming from the -- war. we are moving a lot. and also it comes from our people, and it comes from the victims. the palestinian victims. >> the reports that -- is dewy has the -- i think israel is launching this war because they do not want anybody to expose israeli measures against our community. >> israel that the gate six of these organizations as terrorist groups last year in a move that was widely condemned. in fact, and european countries did their own investigations of

these groups and concluded that the evidence did not support israel's claims. for this week's raise your presenters visited the offices of some of these organizations that they had been funding. >> we express our solidarity with our partners, which we have been supporting for many years. we will do a tremendous job of reporting civil society and providing services to those in need. >> and separately, one of the un's top human its officials called israel's move a quote, clear attempt to repress those documenting in pursuing accountability for rights violations. this decision to designate the organization's terrorist groups and harriet the rays came from benny guy gantz. he reiterated that the groups, quote operate under the guise of humanitarian activities to further the front for the liberation of palestine, a group israel considers a terrorist organization, to

strengthen the organization and to recruit operatives. where does the u.s. stand on all this? too often he has tacitly if not explicitly backed israel's efforts to deepen its occupation into palestinian territory. but on thursday, this is what we heard. >> we are concerned about the israeli security sources closures of the six offices of the palestinian ngo in round -- we have reached out to the israeli governments including it senior levels, including here from washington as well as from our embassy in jerusalem. for more information regarding the bases for these closures. >> so maybe it is not an outright condemnation, but certainly a rejection of israel's moves this week. look, israel presents itself as a law-abiding democratic nation, yet he raided the offices of internationally funded in recognized invented human

rights organizations, which documented the abuses and the injustices the palestinians are facing. because the reality is the injustices of occupation can't just be measured through death, destruction, and violence. joining me now is you save >> -- the former executive director of the campaign for palestinian human rights, now a nonresident fellow at the arrows center in washington. but this is really racing context for, us in d.c. would routes or colors we shouldn't. with this expected after what we saw last year when these organizations were designated as terrorist organizations by israel? how big of a deal is this? >> thanks for having me on to talk about this. you are absolutely right, the public listen to the context of the day today violence and criminality of the occupation. just today, since these riots happened yesterday, a 58-year-old palestinian man was shot and killed by the israeli military in the northern part

of the west bank. and these are the exact types of things that these human rights organizations are involved in documenting and pointing out to the world. it is precisely for that work that the israeli military and the government has sought to silence them. when i think to really understand where this happened over the last several days we need to understand what has been going on for many years now is israel's trying to target these organizations. it has not always labeled these organizations as terrorist groups. in fact we know this is the kind of desperate move that authoritarian regimes take when they run out of other options. in fact the israelis have tried to intimidate european countries into cutting off their relationships with these groups, long before they designated them as so-called terrorist organizations last october. but it was only when that was not working that they decided to take this heavy-handed step, and label them as a terrorist organizations. and, then of course begin to go

back after them in other ways, as you saw this. week unfortunately the united states, which is often -- putting human rights of the center of its foreign policy and speaking out about these kinds of abuses has been far too silent and has equivocated on this from last october. and in fact that, silence i believe, emboldened the israeli to take the steps they took this weekend rating these officers. vandalizing the places of work. destroying property and trying to close them down. i think that if the united states continues to remain quiet, and was not forcefully condemned, these actions these rallies are only going to take greater steps against these organizations who are documenting what is happening to palestinians on a daily basis. >> because of that diplomatic cover this provided by the

united states, it seems israel operates with a certain community internationally. the u.s. or european union have done anything to prevent this from happening? >> absolutely. of course. the europeans came out several months ago with a joint statement, which is not something you see every day, that a bunch of countries decide to come out together. putting together a joint statement on an issue like this. rejecting israel's so called evidence, which really amounted to nothing more than a smear campaign against human rights organizations. in the united states did not follow these countries. in fact the united states has remained mom about what their conclusion was, he regards to this evidence. and that equivocation gave the israelis the opportunity to take greater steps. have the united states, israel's primary ally, come out having condemned the designation of these groups as

terrorists by the state of israel last october, it would have sent a clear message to the israeli government that they continued repression of these organizations is simply unacceptable. and i think, ayman mohyeldin well, that you know when your viewers know that had this been done by any other country these human's rights groups -- the united states would've condemned it, and should have condemned. it's in the case of israel that did not happen. and that led to what we saw this week. the united states can change its tune so that we do not see greater abuses targeting these organizations moving forward. >> you save, on friday human rights watch came out with a case titled raising the alarm, israel's all out assault on rights descend defenders. and it they documented to these raids, but also the arrest of one particular researcher. palestinian researcher with the israeli human rights group, bit salem. they wrote that they took no asha from his home, nassar no, asha held him incommunicado.

accused him of causing trouble and told him to stop it eventually released him. i highlight this because on this show recently we actually used a lot of footage filmed by nasser nawaja in the town near where he lives. without him we would not have much to show to the world. is it fair to say that these rates these closures this harassment of human rights organizations is not just about these organizations but is a form of intimidation to the broader community? >> it is 100 percent. exactly what is going on. this fits into the broader context of israeli strategy to assignments, the center for its policies. not just by human rights organizations in palestine like the ones who were targeted yesterday. but organizations and activists around the world. we are seeing the israeli government support the passages of laws including here in the

united states that target things like efforts to boycott the divest in sanction the israeli governments treatment of palestinians. anywhere there is dissent against israeli policy, there is a growing efforts to find silence, who, worse and intimidate those who are raising the alarm. and this is something that has been growing, increasingly, in recent years. as the occupation and the apartheid system deepens, and as calls grow internationally for something to be done on it. israeli government is no longer trying to win the debate. they are trying to stop the debate from happening all together. because they know that what they are doing is not defensible. >> i've got to ask you really quickly, thursday's rate happened exactly 100 days after the killing of journalist shireen -- and incidents for which still no one has been held accountable.

it also comes after the recent bombing of gaza, where dozens of civilians were killed. as i mentioned, many children. both of these events were widely covered in the news. do you think the media still sometimes misses something when it covers these tragedies, these incidents? because nothing is actually changing, despite the attention that is put on them. >> yes. i think it is also important to remember that these things are happening in sequence, right. the israelis obviously saw the american response or lack of a response in the killing of palestinian american journalist. and the trip that president biden took recently where he failed to press the israelis on this issue, a statement was put it by the state department just before that essentially sweeping the entire thing under the rug. and to say this was sort of unintentional. and now, 100 days later, you

see this rate on human rights organizations. clearly the message that israelis are getting from washington is that this kind of impunity is going to be the norm. and that washington will continue to cover it for them. and we have yet to see a real independent investigation for justice for shireen abu akleh. and frankly, there is little doubt that without that kind of pressure, these things will not stop. >> are we seeing any change on the political front, in congress? there is sometimes the rumblings that things might change, that there may be accountability. but is there any substantive change that could bring it to the occupation on the ground? >> i think we are starting to see growing voices. in congress, speaking out against the rights of palestinians. particularly when, one looking

a bit further back in time then we are seeing today. this is somewhat unprecedented. for, example we ate a front members of congress calling for accountability for the killing of shireen abu akleh, and we have members of congress speaking out about the attacks on these palestinian human rights organizations. and i think this kind of change he's one of the things that has the israeli government very concerned. and one of the reasons why they want to try to silence and coercive dissent as much as they possibly can. because they understand the more the people learn about the experiences of palestinians, the more that they understand how palestinians are being treated, particularly here in the united states, the less likely that the united states is going to continue to support and enable those israeli policies. >> all right, yousef munayyer, always a pleasure. thanks so much for your time. >> -- >> coming, up a year after the

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if conservative politicians have one preoccupation these days, one message they wants to deliver to every single voter in america, it is americas institutions are harming our children. our school teachers, are, quote, grooming children with messages of gay and trans acceptance. lesson plans are indoctrinating them with pipe critical race theory. public health officials are not protecting children with mask requirements and vaccines. no, they are actually hurting them. we hear these conservatives tell it, every institution in the merica is out to get our kids. but when if i told you that the american justice system

actually did look the other way for years, as powerful officials trafficked children as young as eight away from their homes for personal profit? the scandal has become known as kits for cash, and it is the biggest most disgraceful american scandal you have probably never heard of. back in the early arts, two judges and wilkes-barre, pennsylvania, mark shapiro and michael cunningham, can try to shut down a juvenile detention center. then they took two point $8 million of illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two private jails. then, and his juvenile court according to court documents, she perrella pushed a zero tolerance policy that guaranteed large numbers of kids accused of petty offenses like jaywalking in truancy would be sent to the for profit prisons. conning ham and ciavarella, who were elected to the process

democrats, or convicted of racketeering charges. and they are serving lengthy prison terms. in 2000, nine the state supreme court vacated their judgment against 4000 children over half a decade, but on tuesday another federal court order that the two judges pay more than $200 million in restitution to about 300 ks that they put away. calling those, victims quote, the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions in a for profit prison system. even more tragically, some of the case for cash victims are not around anymore to collect that money. like edward cans acosta, who was a 17 year old all-star wrestler with no priors when ciavarella field over drug paraphernalia. as -- told democracy in 20, 14 he never recovered. >> he was a 17 year old, free spirited boy. and he came out a hard man who would not even talk about what happened to him in there. we never talk about his.

he was just a different person. he came out. he lasted for almost five months. and then that's it. >> he shot himself? >> yeah. in his heart. >> this happened in america. in the 21st century. here is a real scandal that her real children and their families. why this being talked about more? is it because it is old news? is it because it isn't for the victims? or is it because we do not want to talk about the american justice system and the perverse incentives of our for profit prisons? let's focus on someone who is still talking about them, attorney marshall loving, cofounder of the pennsylvania-based juvenile law center, the nonprofit field in the first frantic call from appeared in 2007 that unraveled that kids for cash scandal, and

fought for tuesday's award of damages to the victim. coming up after the break, we are going to talk to her about how this all happened and how to prevent it from happening again. again. open. it's a beautiful word. neighborhoods "open". businesses "open".

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kids for cash scandal that rocked pennsylvania, and it is rising some hard questions too about our coast crime and punishment in america. joining me now is marsha levick, -- at the pennsylvania law center

who broke the kids for cash scandal and is or the damage is about half of those victims. thank you so much for joining us. i cannot get my head around the scale of this. 4000 kids shovel to this court and into private prisons simply for money. half never had any legal representation in this process. some got more jail time than adults with after sentencing guidelines. and judge ciavarella ordering many of them shackled and handcuffed without even being given a chance to say goodbye to their families. all in the matter of minutes. what was like for you to get your head around the scale of this, let's get into it. >> it was really stunning and i want to thank you so much for once again shining a light on what's happened in -- about 15 years ago now. i'm glad that the story was every surfacing about -- coming in two years ago. we were initially drawn to the

case due to the profits violations. as you said, more than half case in 2022 with the 21st century we're appearing in front of judge to perrella without a lawyer. which is really quite extraordinary. and those numbers, that rate of appearance without a lawyer, was way beyond anything that was happening in the state of pennsylvania. so we were focused on the violations of the case of rights. ultimately of, course, the story broke, -- were indicted. we were all advised about the enormous amount of money that have changed hands between the builders of the private for profit for szilagyi's and the two judges. and we began to put the pieces together. >> we talked about, tragically, -- who died by suicide after being thrown into this prison system by judge ciavarella. we believe that edward was not the only one. how many of these kids have

disappeared or died, and one of the survivors lives like now? >> i think that there are a few other kids who did lose their lives. one young man tragically died of an overdose about ten years after he was released from this system in lucerne county. i think we can trace that to a very difficult experience that he had all in that system. i think that for all of the kids who went through a parolee's courtroom, they barely marks of, that the bill emotional scars of what the experience and your description of how these earrings last days, kids were shackled and handcuffed in light of the courtroom. it's true. this is how almost all the kids were treated. pulled from there, homes communities, schools, placed in settings that were often far away from their families. and a time when they were

teenagers, some very young teenagers, really, and a critical time for their own developments, emotional developments, it is difficult to leave those, those difficult days. it is difficult for them to leave them behind. >> you helped bring the class action suit on tuesday awarded -- the some of these victims. but i want to be real here for a moment. do we expect the judges to pay that? will ease, families these, children these kids these manatees adults now, will they see any of this money? >> i think it is difficult to say, the odds are that they won't. we don't think that the judges have very many assets. both of them were convicted and sent to prison, ciavarella for 28 years. conahan was sent his to 17 years. he's currently on house arrest, was given passionate release

during covid. but i think that well that is not a likelihood that they will actually receive these funds, i really want to emphasize what's an incredibly important, if only symbolic, award this is. because i think that with the federal drudge did here was give us a number to tell us, what is this worth, which is the heart of this experience worth. when is the price of the judges to harm them, what do they have to pay. i think it is also a guide for other courts going forward. judge conner in the federal district court said they were entitled to $1,000 a day for every day of wrongful imprisonment. that is a number that lawyers can use going forward in other cases. >> marsha levick, i think you so much. we hope the reopening the spotlight on this brings about a change to the prison system in this country. because this is a travesty on a level that i do not think anyone can wrap their head

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