at msnbc will headquarters. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with a new development of the fbi search at mar-a-lago. former president donald trump is threatening more legal action and the doj is facing a major deadline to propose redactions for the affidavit used. earlier today, republican congressman atlas cheney reacted on a just how serious she finds the situation. >> i've seen no evidence there wasn't a political motivation. we will, see we will learn more. it is a really serious thing, and i just think that -- will be in a position where they are or flexibly attacking career law enforcement professionals in order to defend the former president to conduct themself the way this one did. it's a really sad day for the -- >> meanwhile republican congressman dan crenshaw talking about why so many are pushing against the fbi search. >> i still haven't seen any

evidence that he was even asked, the trump was even asked, to give his documents back. he was cooperating with him on this issue for months now. so i take it to the extreme extent? i think that's why you're seeing so much backlash from republicans, and seeing everyone coalesce. it doesn't matter what side of the issue they are on with trump. i have seen a lot coalesce around this. because it does seem unjust. >> this all comes as the new nbc eufaula today says a 57% of americans believe the investigations into trump should continue. at this breaking news this hour, republican senator lindsey graham's granulators to money on election interference. that is now in question. a federal appeals court, today, in fact just a short while ago, temporarily blocked testifying in georgia. setting the case now back to the district court ought to determine if that subpoena should be partially quashed or modified. no reaction today from the january six committee, days

after mike pence says that he would give due consideration to any formal indication to testify. earlier today, committee member adam schiff discussing the prospect. >> i was encouraged to hear, it and i hope it meant what it sounded like it meant. we're having a discussion with the vice president's counsel, for sometime. so he knows of our interest in having come before us. and i'm confident that if he was truly willing there will be a way to work or the executive privilege and separation of power issues. >> joe biden is ending her isolation of her two negative covid tests. the first lady isolated for five days after testing positive on tuesday. the diagnosis came three weeks after president biden first tested positive in july. now we shift our focus to the team of reporters and analysts, to provide more detail and perspective. as i welcome you, all i begin with, you monica alba at the white house. that was donald trump reacting to the legal challenges following the mar-a-lago search?

>> former president is teasing several responses to the ongoing investigation into his handling of classified material. after losing in 2020 and leaving the white house. including one option that his legal team is saying he come as early as today. >>, oh guys, unfortunately we have lost some of the audio there for monica alba in the white house. so we will have to work and getting that back. but i have a few people who know exactly which is on. let's bring in nbc justice reporter ryan reilly, celebrates attorney and former prosecutor david henderson, and msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent new york times, our good sunday friend peter baker. welcome all, glad to have. you peter, i want to go to you first to set the stage for us. because we have been to mar-a-lago recently and whether to interview donald trump for the upcoming book.

can you give us any sense of how secure the places? where there are a lot of people around, evidence of security standing around? are there any areas that aren't easily accessible, which you feel would be blocked off by the average club member? >> it is an interesting place, of course. this is not just a former presidents estate, this is an active club. and hotel, basically, for his paying guests. when he was there we did to interviews with him after he left office at mar-a-lago. because the security was sort of hit-or-miss. one time we were screaming, one time we weren't. and i think it kind of depends on the day. secret service still protects him as they do while former president. but they are not, concerned so much, with the property and things on the property as they are with him. with the former president himself and his family. they are not responsible for guarding documents, let's say, and keeping club members from wandering into places that they might not necessarily be supposed to go. it is a big place, i don't know

where exactly he kept these documents and they say for the double lock. but on, average the authorities polling they did not think it was secure enough. but it is an active place with lots of people coming into going. who do not get screened, in a criminal background kind of way. we saw during the presidency a woman showed up there, with surveillance equipment, did not have any kind of permission to be, they're managing the property with anyway. i think there is always been concern for security authorities as to how tightly and secure that place is. >> yes you are resurrecting that with each national woman. let me just ask you quickly, it has been reported. we talk about hearing trump's lawyers say another lock, i know that -- said that another lock was put in that basement dorm. i will, for reporting suggest that the documents that were seized just last week, they came from an office that was

above a ballroom ends in a hallway that leads up to a pool area. does not seem like it's a basement. does not seem like it's basement >> it doesn't. -- trump is where he had an office, you are not able to walk up there and -- there was a woman of, there they did not have a secret service card in that sense. but you are, right and i think the question, is this is not a secure facility in the sense that the national archives would want classify supersecret arguments to be held. talking with documents involve nuclear secrets, the fact that they are there as opposed to some traditional super secure place is rather remarkable. i think that is what the fbi was responding. two contrary to a dana crenshaw said, getting the president to cooperate. he didn't seem to respond to. there was a subpoena, there was

a order, they said there was no more classified documents, they're turned not to be the case. they are obviously concerned on the part of the people whose jobs it is to protect the nation's secrets. i think they were not being protected, there. >> well, yeah. ryan, to you now. as you know thursday, federal judge trying to unseal the mar-a-lago search affidavit or the doj to submit those proposed reductions that we have to have up on this thursday. how is this going to play out? >> i think you are going to see geo jay with some very fiery actions, suggest the law should be withheld. with the doj has extended is that the redactions that they made made the document meaningless. utah said that, essentially, that is where the doj to decide that they want actual information that they can -- document was looking like. he knows what the underlying document, is he knows exactly what information they are protecting. because he is the one who signed this after he said that there were two probable causes

to sort of the president. so i think that the is one thing that we have to keep in mind, is that this is not just about those classified documents. this is about all those documents. all of those documents were not supposed to be in the possession of former president trump. they were supposed to be turned over to the national archives. regardless of classification status. that is the thing to keep in mind, though, if he thought of these documents as. his when by law they are not his. they are for the american people. and they are important for future generations are looking back into trump's presidency, to want to look back at, alex. >> 100%. let me ask, you when you say this could be really redacted, are you suggesting things we have seen in the past, which is that you see a piece of paper and there is a bunch of very thick black lines, and you, get maybe, it conductive here or a phrase there. can it be that redacted, ryan? >> i think it is going to be pretty heavily redacted. a lot of those requests and whatnot end up being some sort

of art form, where these black marks all across the page. they are gonna be substantial parts of this, they are going to be pretty heavily redacted. you will see those big blocks of black text, essentially, alex. >> david, if that is the way it turns out to, be greatly judged pushback on that and orderly agency to release more information? because it when you look, once it went too far. >> alex, we absolutely. can in that regard, we talked with a lot of the time. but we forget that essentially the law is a game of nerves. it all comes down to who is going to bumble once this pressure starts building. because the point we should make is. true if it is still redacted and we are not getting useful information, then really what is the point? the bigger issue here, is we are getting mar-a-lago is likely a means to an end. and not an end in that itself. the reason is because it is part of an ongoing investigation, and what is critical here is that anything that you reveal is meaningful

is going to benefit president trump more than anyone else, because it is going to alert him to who in his camp is talking. there is a reason why every mob movie you've ever seen focuses on people not talking, when they know it is going on. it is not just an issue for mar-a-lago, it also relates to investigations going on for president trump. >> david, hang on a second. look. we're doctor you can assume somebody's name is going to be redacted, right. but do you mean that they could leave in information that could allow those inside trump world to speculate and say, wait a minute, we pick up a clue, here pick up a clue here, and figure out by process of elimination. given the fact that apparently, what, maybe 6 to 8 people at most, mick mulvaney speculated that is the most that would have access, or know about certain things, the safe, it set, or were donald trump kept these papers. the process of elimination could go pretty quick. >> it will go very quick. because again this is information for those who do not know what information is, including affidavit. trump and his team will be able

to figure it out. once they figured out, you can isolate people who are talking. here's why that is a big deal. we have seen people for that new members of federal law enforcement. they want to show you agree with law enforcement on, is anyone who will turn the kabul threaten anyone. once people start to feel the pressure of talking about information that likable to trump, that affects every investigation going into him. in terms of all of his legal woes across the country. >> ryan, and the conventional wisdom on when we are going to see this redacted affidavits? we know we have to do it by thursday, even though we're gonna go right up to the line. >> typically they usually like to push it as much as we get into the widest line, this is of the doj's and lawyers in general sort of waiting for the last minute. so i wouldn't expect this until thursday, especially in something as sensitive as this. of course, if they want to go with those really heavy reductions there might be a bit of an easier thing, you might get in a little bit ahead. >> yeah. real quick, david this fourth amendment, the major motion,

trump's legal team says they are preparing. one suggest it would be within a matter of hours. and then of, course the fourth member prohibits -- searches and seizures. first, ball is a viable defense, and why haven't we seen this if it is -- seen this>> alex, first of thef the find extremely around it that the conservatives are making the same arguments unarmed black people make when they are killed at the police. , suddenly, now his arguments are valid now that they are being made on behalf of president trump. with that in, mind i think there are two things you have to keep in mind to consider why he's actually making this argument. one, this whole affair has been beneficial for him in terms of raising money to plea for his lawyers. who will or will not represent him, even bad lawyers cost a lot of money. right now it is costing trump millions. this is the only cause he has right now where he can beat his chest and try to make suffragist arguments, whether they are valid or not. that is part of the reason he is doing. but here's something else we've got to consider. nobody knows what is actually in those boxes right, now

except him in the people who started going through them. it is quite possible, based on this fourth amendment argument, that there is information in there that is bad for him. but when he's trying to set up to is this argument, anything used against him in the future is essentially fruit from a poisonous, tree because it isn't valid search to begin with. >> basically crying foul, as usual. peter, let me ask you about the new nbc poll out today that says 57% say investigations into trump should continue. 40% say they should stop. the survey also shows a very clear divide on party lines. 92% of dependent democrats and 61% of independents, they support the investigation. compare that with only 21% of republicans. why does this tell you about how the country is taking it interpreting oldest legal discourse, for the former president? >> investigations into presidents or other political figures are often seen through a -- lands, no question about it. but i think it is as extreme as you can remember. it is so left right, it is so

pro or anti trump at this point. and he is of course encouraging that. that is when he wants his base to see. he wants his base to say that this is nothing other than political. but he did not do anything wrong here. that this is part of a long which against him. what's remarkable was home when you're both grief for our between him and his people. but, now you're in a half after leaving office, they do have the search of his residence for documents to have in the georgia election investigation, the january six investigation, the new york investigation. 400 times just couple of weeks ago. the only way to explain that to a public is a look at that and say, gosh, maybe something is going on here. to present in a partisan line and say this is all about people coming after me for political reasons. i'm being persecuted here. and playing into politics. the politics and grievances have been his calling card between the seven years since he first launched his presidential campaign. -- it's all we appeal to his base. they share a sense of

resentment against elites, and he stuck that anytime we look for he's in trouble. what's interesting, last question quickly, peter, the new article that's written by our colleagues in the new york times is offering a new look at the final days of trump's presidency. in fact, how it may have foreshadow these current events. what did it reveal about trump's attitude towards documents, compared to the rest of his administration? >> we are just saying. he believes this belongs to him in some ways. he treated the federal government as a larger version of the trump organization. family business where he himself called the shots. even his business was a public company there were shareholders, there was no board, he had answer to nobody basically except for himself. and he saw his office in the white house in a similar way. these documents belong to me. he always sees this phrase, my generals, my kevin, my this, my that. he believed that the justice department should be his lawyer is in effect. prosecute his enemies and forgive his friends. he tried to turn institutions

into instruments of his political power. so the idea that these documents left the white house with him in some way shouldn't surprise us. he saw that everything is an extension of his own power and his own authority. >> peter, david, ryan. thank you so much, great shad. appreciate that. meantime, he is one of donald trump's favorites but doctor oz may need some kind of wiz of jury to save his faltering campaign. is he cooked after that ill favored crudités campaign video? in the new nbc news poll again shows a widening chasm of political divide this country. yet there is a unity of dissatisfaction. three quarters of americans in this country is headed in the wrong direction. the underlying reasons they surely differ. but what does this mean for the upcoming midterms? that's ahead. that's ahead put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. when uc held me back...

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mar-a-lago sear. the department of justice has until thursday to oppose redactions for the affidavit supporting the document seizure. as a federal judge weighs whether to release parts of it of the public. earlier today, house intelligence committee chair adam schiff expressing concerns for releasing that information. >> you could learn a lot from the affidavit. you could learn what witnesses may have seen in terms of the handling of those documents or people coming and going from where the documents were located. you could learn about whether representations were made that proved to be false in terms of whether they've given up the classified information. you can learn a great deal, that's just the problem for the justice department. i think probably their concern is very legitimate that is that if this affidavit is revealed, it will put those sources of information at risk. >> joining me now is pennsylvania congressman natalie medina, democratic member of the house judiciary and financial services committee.

always good to see you on the broadcast here. welcome, do you share congressman schiff's concerns, those about security and safety of those who might be implicated in this affidavit? as well as concerns that have heard him talk about compromising the investigation. >> i do will share his concerns. good to be with you, alex. the fbi is investigating department of justice is investigating are possible crimes committed. including willful retention of national defense of information. concealment and removal of documents. obstruction of a federal investigation. these are extraordinarily serious. especially when you put them against the possibility that this was done by the former president. so i hope the judge is taking this wise pass -- in order to protect people. we know the incitement of violence that goes on around this past administration, it

continues to this day. but the people who are witnesses, who are cooperating, who are helping the department of justice pursue this information must be protected. >> so how do you weigh the public's right to know versus the government's concerns? >> i think the way the judge is going down the path. get suggestion redactions. let this investigation play out. if too much is revealed, the investigation needs to be cut out -- by the exposure of sources as well as information. we have something called the rule of law. we are supposed to be able to rely upon it. at the end of this investigation, criminal charges are brought, the truth will be known. so there is a balancing act that's very delicate balancing act. people in news sources have a right information. but not at -- or an investigation in jeopardy. >> we are still waiting for

trump's team to follow through on the belt -- vow they made that they would file a fourth amendment based challenge. this to the mar-a-lago search. it comes after trump's attorney, christina bob, did not file a motion to unseal the affidavit in court. even though publicly, she is calling for its release. what does the trump team's legal strategy, if you want to call it that, say to you? >> it's a continuing shifting sands. remember, originally, original defense was nothing to see here. second defense was obama took more documents than i ever did. their defence was okay, whatever documents are here, i waved a wand and down classified. and finally, a sounding legal defense may be my fourth amendment right to protection against unreasonable searches. and seizure has been violated here. i think we're going to see, we've already seen the department of justice, what he's well of where the four from eminem make sure to operate completely by the

books. there is no strategy here for mr. trump. he's in the very hot water. he knows it. his lawyer who sat silently during the hearing this week knows it. so they're throwing everything at the wall to see what if anything sticks. >> do you think going by the books also a place of those fbi agents who are there on the property as they remove those 11 boxes of classified documents? do you think they were well aware what they were doing and complied completely by the law and respectful restrictions? and that may be why we have not seen the release of the video that's been threatened by team trump? >> i -- we don't know all the truth of it all. but i do know that this was an investigation that had to be pursued with a certain deference to making sure that everything was done completely legally and properly. if there is any violation of that, it will be revealed. but it seems to me that they

did not go in a high rate posture. they went in with some deference. for the former president. they had a job to do which was to collect documents that the president simply was not entitled to take. you remember, you saw some of the defenses by republicans who are railing against the fbi. and you notice what they do? representative crenshaw? -- worry about the process. they can't stand to talk about the substance. but the president in violation of the presidential records act walked off with documents. classified or not. -- they can't talk about that extraordinary violation. instead, maybe they didn't really talk with him enough about bringing the documents back. nonsense. >> nonsense is a good one to jump off on this one because i wanna get your thoughts a little bit closer to home on the pennsylvania senate race. we have lieutenant governor john fetterman responding to

that fundraising over the now viral april video of mehmet oz item to shop for a crudités platter. sediments of the campaign video showed dallas was out of touch with pennsylvania voters. so let's show our viewers a little bit of both candidates videos. >> doing some grocery stopping. i'm a whiteners. my wife wants some of vegetables for a crudités. >> we call this a veggie tray. if this looks anything other than of each rate you, then i am not your candidate. >> it's kind of funny but is it a veggie tray to you? i mean how effective a campaign is fetterman running against oz? what are your constituents telling you? >> oh my goodness, i have to admit to you, we have had some fun with this here in pennsylvania. we take our supermarket seriously. we take arbitrary seriously. merriam-webster recorded a record number of people looking up the word crudités. what it shows is a candidate,

doctor oz, is so out of touch, sorrow moves, not in pennsylvania. doesn't know wegman from wagner's. i don't think even in a wegman's instantly doesn't understand what you put together for a veggie tray, let alone a crudités. it would be funny and it is. we have to take the humor where we can get it. but it shows how removed he is. but on the other hand, would he's critically important is this u.s. senate -- it cannot go to a fraudster. another snake oil salesman. this is the seat of retiring senator toomey. this is a chance for democrats to pick up a seat that will change the ballots in the senate. and we want to taken by someone who was serious like john fetterman. who actually understands what's public services about. lifting up communities, lifting up people, protecting the vulnerable. not a seat that is just to be blunt by someone from new jersey by the way.

not from pennsylvania. he allegedly bought a house in my district, fourth congressional district, there's been no sighting of him, nobodies moved in there yet. this is a fraudster up against a very serious candidate. our lieutenant governor john fetterman. john fetterman will win this race in honorably served pennsylvania. >> okay, there you have it. pennsylvania congress -- who honorably serves that state. thank you so much, appreciate you. coming up next, the irs is the newest target of the conspiracy driving -- republicans trying to scare americans overall. and some of the gop claims are tricking some potentially dangerous to irs workers. at that list of americans being threatened by a certain angry populist. let's see the targets include members of congress, election workers, fbi, judges, school board members, teachers, health care officials and providers. have we locked anyone out? e locked anyone out?

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the daughter of a russian political commentator often referred to as putin's brain was killed in a car bombing inside of moscow. 29 year old area do gina, whose father's alter nationalist alexander eugene, died when an explosion struck the car she was driving. a number of pro-climate officials blamed ukraine for that blast, saying that attack was meant for her father. in somalia, authorities had under the siege are telling the country's capital, where at least 21 people were killed. it took somali forces more than 30 hours to contain the fighters. the islamic extremist group al-shabaab, which has ties to al-qaeda, has claimed responsibility. now hearing from the pilot of this plane that crashed on a busy florida street. look at that. a witness recorded the exact moment this plane hit the ground. incredibly, the pilot, said he walked away mostly on harmed. >> it's miraculous that i survived.

there are skills and experiences, the but there is a lot of luck. it goes a couple of miles faster on my crash, it would've been shredded. >> the pilot says he is responsible for that crash. and is cooperating with investigators. four days until the big deadline in the mar-a-lago search, the department justice has until thursday to submit redactions to the search affidavit. a georgia last week that he is likely to order the release of the document, despite warnings from doj that could harm the criminal investigation. joining me, now clint waltz, msnbc analysts and distinguish research fellow at the research institute. welcome, clients, good to get your thoughts on this. particularly this case. you are a former fbi special agent. as an investigator, what do you think should happen to this affidavit? >> for the most part, this affidavit would not come out during normal investigations, for quite some time. until the if the eye or whoever is investigating has more time to gather evidence, in fight

against the root cause of which are to my want to bring. or maybe let it go. but i think they have no choice in this case to come forward with more information, just so the conspiracies that are being sown by the former president trump -- they have just thrown a fire hose, also you were talking with your previous guest about this, to try to muddy the waters of the people's confidence in the fbi. the affidavits will be redacted, and i'm sure that even when it comes out it will be tough for the department of justice to balance transparency with the public, and why they went ahead and took this extra step. with the conspiracies that will be made. just because people tend to seek out the information they want, and the trump team, especially in a legal side, seems to be looking for sources and methods so they can go ahead and try to undermine the credibility of those sources. and that is over a longer trial period. i think that is with the goal. is >> how much of a national security concern is the actual affidavit, do you think?

>> for the most part i just have no idea. but there could be a couple things we could look for. one, in the most egregious an extreme case it could be a foreign source source of information to bring someone off with u.s. governments about these documents. i think that is unlikely, but that would be one it is really extreme attempts of national security damage. second could be officials or former official who saw witness something to do with these documents, thought it was alarming and that they needed to race an elevation to the u.s. government. the fbi in the apartment of justice, in -- with the trump campaign for many months, retrieved and receive some documents before. but somehow they knew that there were still documents were floating out there that were sci another clearance levels, top secret secret, that were somewhere on the trump property. and i think this is just points to the seriousness of the documents, how they had to go and achieve this. this is something they could not let go of. this is really what worries me the most especially for

national security. what were these documents going to be the used for? it's just not clear why trump had to keep, these and, provoke, essentially a search warrant to get them back. >> the series and these documents, donald trump has said that the entire unredacted affidavit should be released. do you think it is possible he is bluffing? >> he may be bluffing. he may just be trying to see if he can get that information. i am sure there is a confidential informant that provided information about this, he would want to know who it is. so he could either -- he escaped with other discredit or target that individual. so i'm sure that is part of it. i think that above all, just continuing to question the process, that is always the dilemma when president trump, former president trump and his colleagues, are under investigation. is. time we saw that with the mueller investigation, it went on for quite some time. they don't get to speak about everything they are doing everything they know, and it puts them in the extreme to

strangers whatever it is being tried in the public with former president trump. >> do you think of the video of the surveillance gets released, that the safety and security of these fbi agents who were there is compromised? go a video show identifying proper properties, name badges, an fbi logo. now i think about it, they went to his jackets and ties on they didn't wear fbi guards. >> that's right. they are pretty conscientious in terms of how they do. this they didn't make a big show, they wanted their presence at a location. it was to try to not draw attention. what you will find, i think, is there will be lots of images and videos released, lots of federal workers doing their job. it's always interesting to me that video shows up in a lot of trump circles, that is a secret service person on the. front are you in cnet labeled as fbi. so i think that is the bigger problem.

when this information goes against the public without any context, there is an awful lot of confusion. yes you can put fbi agents in danger. but i think it can also put people in danger that just like anything similar to the individuals in those videos. meaning that they are not a precise group in these online, crowds about it defying individuals. we have seen this with the conspiracy theories over the last decades on social media. not only do i worry about the fbi agents that were participating in any other federal officials, i'm worried for anybody in the public that might look remarkably similar to those individuals, and happened to -- before. >> good point. i want to ask you about the republican lawmakers or want to misinform the public about the inflation reduction act. this new, law as you know, provides a stream of funds over ten years it will help the irs to hire replacement in new employees at the agency. an agency that has been struggling to perform early basic tasks, like processing tax returns, answering phones. you have some republicans who are trying to scare the public into thinking the irs is going to hire agents that will threaten american celebrity.

how dangerous is this misinformation, clint, especially when you think of all the anti tax extremists out there? >> this has been a long term threat of anti government rhetoric, going well back into the 2000s in the 1990s. there are individuals who targeted irs buildings regarding tax collection. this is a threat that extends for many many decades, in information in disinformation. circles similarly, it does make them out to be something they are, not which is aggressive. i think the irs has always been understaffed, really struggling for resources as compared to other enforcement organizations. ruth, over for, the need for incredible automation increases and automation. which is a change was people should welcome. a well founded an automated irs actually makes less mistakes, most likely, and you need smart new technicians in there to do that. without the resources and the personnel, it actually

complicates it makes the problem worse. i just think this is scaremongering, and again, targeting federal workers. more than what is being done by the federal, government which is taxpayers paid for by the way. it is inherently evil, according to these individuals on the far extreme. i think that's where we should be thinking that for their service to the government. >> i mean i think, you right now, clint watts, as always, for being on the broadcast. coming up, next blank outlook for the american state of affairs. 61% in the nbc news poll say they are willing to carry a picket sign for an entire day to send a message. but what is the message and where is the hope? ere is the hope?

a new poll finds that most americans agree that his actions should be scrutinized. they say that 57% believe the investigations into the former

president should continue. the hole was conducted after the fbi searched mar-a-lago, work top secret documents earlier this month. lots of insight to be had from these polls, so let's get to it with these panels. don calloway, democratic strategist and -- of the national voter protections drugs. also -- and maybe see political. analyst and former republican congressman from florida, david jolly. he is also an msnbc political analyst. they are known as my sunday family. sabrina, great to be here. susan, first to you. despite this outcry from donald trump, in the g.e.o. geo particularly, it does not surprise you that americans, they largely support these investigations. >> they do. and with really interesting in that number is a great stand on partisan divides, which would expect the majority of democrats. the majority republicans think they should stop. but 61% of independents, and that is the number we should be watching going into an election,

61% of independents thinks it should continue. which tells me that the main stream of the party, that moderates center, said there is something wrong here. we need to look at it carefully and we don't buy into the republican garbage rhetoric that this is a witch hunt or anything like this. this is national security. it is something americans avoid accountable with with donald. trump like, should we really know all the stuff he does? ? but this one kind of shows it. >> very. true 61% of independents support. this one about this from nbc news, saying that trump feels confident about 2024. he thinks the mar-a-lago search might actually help him. david, what is the rational behind? that is it simply is bringing a lot of money right, now a lot of cash? reporting million a dollars a day on some days following the. search is bringing in money equate to how the law might be applied, or is trump confused

on that? >> i think we are learning as days go by that post mar-a-lago search war administration in realizing that would initially looked like boy, this could be a bleak moment for donald trump, actually has been the most capitalizing political moment that he has had since he left office. it is his opportunity, alex, do you repeat the fundamental foundation of his entire platform. which is not ideology, but it is this grievance populism that the deep state is coming for you, coming your way of life, coming for your privilege. and they are going to take it from. you and look, they just try to take it from me. that is manatee republican voters. so what it did is actually created a crystallizing moment where donald trump was able to say, you are with me or you are not. we are a month, ago perhaps, it would've been a crowded primary. if donald trump or to announce it. it is supposed to be able to get mcgahn to crowding everybody else out. here is the most important, thing alex. donald trump, though he rushed

to raise money, did not reach to say i am running in 24. which tells me that he knows there is probably more to come. and he is worried about with more to come is. >> i just have to say, i spoke with michael, cohen will know him as trump's former personal attorney yesterday. he reiterated once again, donald trump is not running. so we will see if he is running. i, know susan, you thought that as. well i have tended to agree with you. let's move on to trump, if we know maybe confident. obviously a significant support from young people. but according to an nbc generation lab poll, 57% of second your college republican voters say that trump should run in 2024. they support college democratic voters, just 27%. 73% say he should not, run don. why is biden support for a second run solo among his parties constituents, in this particular group? >> i mean, my 22-year-old self is going to be angry with me for saying less, but when i was 22 i was far more interested in who the personalities of the

day were. i was a big al gore fan, or whatever, right. i really wasn't concerned with understanding policy and understanding the nuances of such. and understanding the value of presidential leadership experience. if you really get past weather we are looking for dominica personality, looking for somebody who can play well on tiktok and twitter, joe biden has had a really substantively good presidency thus far. of course, he inherited covid and he is trying to manage that. he has had his own personal bats with. it which take him into the spotlight for sometime. unless, weekly or age is an issue. that probably does not allow him to approach selling his agenda as the public. which is much bigger as the college democrats would like to see. but the reality is that joe biden has had a remarkable presidency in terms of substantive legislation pushed across the table, to help the american populous out there kitchen tables. and that is just not something

the college democrats are really going to pick up on right now. notice to them, don't kill me on twitter. but it is a reality that we will fight about after joe biden. >> there is another aspect that could play into american's current political views from the nbc poll, which finds that 15% of americans believe that america is the best years are behind it. that is the highest percentage on this question dating back to 1990. there is another 60% of the voting population that's thinks united states is currently in an economic recession. even if many economists say that is not quite the case, i am curious david,. there is mauve of good news for biden. go to the economy hot dams in november? >> certainly. people will vote in november based on whether or not they believe that the nation is going in the right direction or not. and if there is bloom on the economic forecast, that is going to inform a lot of people who say, we need to change course. but i think that is an interesting poll number, alex.

because it is a calling for our leaders to heal. not to be ministers are pastors. but consider the rhetoric we hear right now. candidates run saying, i am going to go fight, fight fight fight. i'm going to fight the other guy because i need to win this fight. we talk about our fellow americans. if there is a reason that we feel are community being torn asunder, it is because we are being told everyone equally wake, up by our leaders, that we are in a fight. and i think that is an important storyboard. for our leaders to consider. look around us. this morning, in churches or synagogues or the coffee club, wherever people might have their moments, they look at fellow americans and fellow people in their communities, and enable them immediately. they recognized a certain bomb that is there. our leaders have the ability to call on that bond, and recognizing us more than our politics. >> so, susan last question, you see these poll findings, they are kind of bleak. is there any hope out there?

>> i would like to think so. i think part of the findings, here though, or also do tremendously to donald trump, and in six years of anger and race baiting and causing that us versus them, i think david said is so important. it used to be elected officials, said i am fighting for you. my constituent. and that is what has gone. that is what's evaporated. people now think the politicians are just there to, fight in fight for themselves. and their own political careers. i think we are going to cycle out of this. but i think it is going to be a pretty depressing couple of years, ahead. >> you've gotta stay with, me because at least you guys are bright spots. thank you so much. good to see you. in the meantime, students in florida are heading back to school under the shadow of a controversial new law. biggest challenge for teachers, we will discuss that next. uss that next.

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back to school. in florida, and that means the students are back in class for the first time since that don't say gay bill became law. from teachers, it is still unclear what is a lot in the classroom with his. not wisconsin's governor ron desantis permits his education agenda across the state. let's go to nbc's stephanie stanton standing by and so forth. stephanie, welcome. one of the challenges through schools implementing this, law and wilkie tell us about desantis who is part of the story today. >> good afternoon to you, alex. this barring girl behind me and sarasota is one of several stops the governor could make today to provide his education agenda. as you, no public education here in the state of florida has become highly politicized, and our students are now returning to the classroom, many teachers are struggling as to how to implement these state standards.

specifically the parental rights and education act. that is a so-called don't say gay law that was recently signed, and that basically bans construction on january density and sexual orientation. for kids ages kindergarten to third grade. what it also does is it allows parents to sue teachers that they believe are instructing with what they consider inappropriate material. and that is causing some concern for, teachers because they feel that they are now open to potential lawsuits. many districts here across florida are implementing mandates on how to deal with all of these updated standards. but earlier this, week governor ron desantis is essentially doubling down on why he signed this legislation, here, in florida. >> how you would think that it would be appropriate to have these elementary school kids being told, and they are doing this in other states, being told that some six year old boy, you may really be a girl.

that is inappropriate, and that is wrong. so we put a stop to that in florida. >> and last week, another one of the governor's mandates was essentially struck down by a judge, the so-called ostapchuk act, which restricts gender-based, excuse me, certain race based instruction, specifically critical race theory and the judge called this new law unconstitutional, saying that it violates first amendment rights. the governor again is expected, here, around 3:00 this afternoon. he started his day in the miami area. we understand that he, is i believe as we speak, buzzing a fire station in jerome, florida, which is where a group of protesters have also stated that they would be gathering. so we are gonna continue to follow the story, alex, as the afternoon goes on. >> i have one, takeaway teachers are not getting played enough. there are so much to think about. thank you, so much stephanie stanton. why, no matter how a judge

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